Middle East General- Road to Mosul edition

So, uh... this just happened:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2016/1019/Saudi-prince-executed-for-murder.-Justice-or-just-more-bloodshed

I knew they had already thrown in the towel when it came to oil exports, but is Saudi Arabia in an even worse position than anyone thinks?

File: 1415066216081.jpg (905KB, 4928x3280px) Image search: [Google]

905KB, 4928x3280px

Minor update, SAA has just stopped an ISIL attack on Deir Ezzor. ISIL fighters targeted the Heart Hospital in the city, and while they did manage to reach the building, they were unable to enter the structure.

Current estimates put the casualties at 20 dead ISIL fighters and no dead SAA. No word on injured or any updates on the situation as of yet.

File: 1415065702240.jpg (326KB, 1247x828px) Image search: [Google]

326KB, 1247x828px

>>31738720
bumping to keep threat alive

>>31738720
And they say Assad doesn't fight ISIS

>>31738720
apperently ISIS have been digging tunnels like vietnam fucking shits around mosul...this could be a loooooooooonnggg siege.

>>31739318
Also, each and every one is (theoretically) willing to fight to martyrdom.
We could be seeing some WWII Jap-tier shit in Mosul proper.

>>31739318
hence the post about the town of Qaryat al-Abasi. as ISF pushes deeper into ISIL territory, they're going to find spiderholes and tunnel netwrks all over the place. I wouldn't be surprised if some towns put up light resistance and allow the place to be taken over before crawling out of the shadows with bombs strapped to themselves.

Obviously I can't confirm that, but i suspect that might have been the reason for the Kurds rapidly taking and then retreating from a small town very recently.

would using massive amounts of tear gas or other non lethal agents (doesn't have to be chemical) be realistic to force an entire population out of a city? Would it even be possible?

File: macarthur_500.jpg (131KB, 500x555px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 500x555px

>>31739339
That's okay. Been there done that.

>>31739457
Manila all over again

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-idUSKCN12K0E1?il=0

Reuters breaking Turkish military claim of up to 200 killed YPG in yesterdays bombing raids near Umm Qurah. If true this is a full scale escalation.

>>31739373
should dump flaming pigs into the tunnels like back in the middle ages. that will do it.

>>31739710
Technically a Muslim coming into contact with a "filthy" animal against his will or even unbeknownst to them is not Haram. So all youd be doing is wasting money on decent pork chops and bacon.

Plus the flaming pigs were used to scare off elephants, not to take out enemy tunnel installations

>>31739710
You don't really know why the sappers of middle ages use flaming pigs, do you?

>>31740044
Because they had a sense of humor?

File: mobile01.jpg (115KB, 450x600px) Image search: [Google]

115KB, 450x600px

http://eng.syria.mil.ru/en/index/syria/livecam.htm

Any Arabic speakers here?
I'm trying to figure out what "dababat" and "dababy" mean. I was under the impression from context that it was tanks (plural) and tank(singular), but no translator comes up with that, so I'm confused. I'm probably spelling it wrong, I tried in Arabic too and got nothing.
ضبابات or ضبابي , not real apparently. Slang?

>>31738150
There are like 1000 Saudi princes, so I doubt this one was important

>>31739318
>>31739373
They've already found lots of large tunnels and they're what 10 miles out from the city? I said In a previous thread Isis tunneled and trapped that place into a Vietnamese wet dream. That being said they left 3000 fighters behind and considering the force that's coming for them is in the 10's of thousands we'll see how it goes. I still think it will take a while

File: WLpLeaM.jpg (258KB, 482x998px) Image search: [Google]

258KB, 482x998px

Would anyone happen to have that ISIS Pepe where he's dressed in looted Iraqi gear and he's about to dump a caged, orange-clad Wojak into a pool of shit?

It's similar to that one ISIS execution that starts at 3:30

videos.files.wordpress.com/8b19fPSC/4688_dvd.mp4

>>31739399
Such massive amounts would turn lethal for lots of people

>Be twelve
>get stuck in a big fuck off cloud of tear gas for 2 hours

Yeah nah, good luck on surviving that shit.

>>31740762
Dababa - tank.
Beembe - BMP.
Saarukh - rocket/missile.
Tayra - aircraft

>>31741225
Yes I know, but why is it in Arabic? I can't get any definition or translation for it. Does it actually mean "tank" or is it like "armour"? Is it slang?

>>31741332
What is it in Arabic**

Iraqi shiite forces execute a child

https://twitter.com/abdullahaljuaid/status/789038580828078080

>>31741491
Wouldn't quite say child, definitely of fighting age for that part of the world.

Without backstory you would assume he was an ISIS fighter, perhaps not. Either way, extrajudicial killing is not cool.

>>31741491
can anyone confirm this? I don't speak arabic and lack the will power to go translate comments on this since I assume two thirds will be about crusaders, jews or they took our oil

File: actual BRRRRRRRRT.jpg (262KB, 1024x683px) Image search: [Google]

262KB, 1024x683px

>ISIS claims they have shot down a U.S. Air Force A-10 in Syria. Pentagon denies.

>https://theaviationist.com/2016/10/20/isis-claims-they-have-shot-down-a-u-s-air-force-a-10-in-syria-pentagon-denies/

>>31741491
wew lad

>>31741938
ISIS is obviously lying since everyone knows the 'Hog is indestructible

TAF bombing PYD

https://twitter.com/TyrannosurusRex/status/789119283448188928

>>31738150
>Cristian science

Why are they monitoring saudi royal family?

>>31739636
>turkish claims

>>31741938
>[citation needed]

>>31741491
12 is not a child in that shithole part of the world

>>31741491
Normal day in Iraq tbf

We had to do that a few times in the early days.

>>31741938
Can't wait to laugh if this is true. The A-10 shouldn't even be used there as ISIS has access to manpads and the A-10 is basically garbage above 10k feet.

Why is the advance so fucking slow? There can't be more than a couple dozen of ISIL resistance pockets around the outskirts of Mosul. A fully equipped and motorized waffen ss division brought back from 1942 would steamroll the fuck out of this bitch and free mosul within 42 hours

File: 1463175443353.png (446KB, 989x983px) Image search: [Google]

446KB, 989x983px

>>31742874

This whole war is a shit-show. Arabs cannot into large scale, coordinated maneuver warfare.

Notice how World War 2 was fought in less time than the Syrian war, by military formations that dwarfed the entire population of Iraq.

These fucking dune coons are only good at tribal warfare, where they shoot at each other, from balconies, go home, fuck their goats, and go back to their jobs driving taxis on the weekdays. Same for ISIS, only good at roving around in pick-up trucks and executing civilians and isolated soldiers.

Fuck ALL of them.

>>31742488
http://aa.com.tr/tr/vg/video-galeri/tskdan-pyd-ypg-teror-orgutune-yonelik-hava-harekati/0

There you go lad.

>>31739318
*fortune son in Arabic*

>>31742874
First of all coordinating movement of the Iraqi army must be a nightmare, now add in the various assisting militias and you have a shitshow and a half already of diverse and to varying extents disorganised forces to manage/deconflict.
Secondly taking it slow could actually be a sign they've learnt a little bit and are trying to avoid rushing headlong into traps and/or leaving too many pockets of resistance to light fires in their rear.
If they'd just said "everyone go!" and let the Iraqi army, their various allied militias and the Kurds start racing to be the first to the center it would a complete clusterfuck of groups ignoring hotspots of resistance because they want to be first into town and leaving their own and others rears exposed because everyone thought they'd cleared that area, you'd have blue on blue likely on the ground and certainly from the air because half these groups look no different from IS visually, so without any way of knowing who was where and when the USAF and everyone on the ground would end up shredding a bunch of friendlies because they had no idea <group> had advanced that far in that particular area. By instead keeping a measured pace with predefined pauses you have a much better chance to avoid friendly fire incidents because nobody should end up so far ahead of another unit they can be mistaken for hostile, everyone has time to actually clear their designated areas (in theory, lolarabs in reality quite likely) because they aren't racing for style/mile points, and you increase the chance of their logistics keeping up with the advance, I sincerely doubt they're even close to half as good on that front as the US, and being the first to the center of town means fuck all when you get there with 0.5L of water and 3 mags between your men and your support is still sucking their thumbs 10 miles behind you.

>>31739339
Muslims are like any other bullies. Notice how they all started wearing balaclavas again like they did in the early days? They are chickenshits who only kick people who can't retaliate. Sure a few fanatics may be among them, but the majority is crying like little bitches to Allah and searching through their bags for that european passport they have hidden away.

File: 1302825480703.jpg (151KB, 500x376px) Image search: [Google]

151KB, 500x376px

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=239Od2CorUA

File: 1299354998482.jpg (19KB, 493x402px) Image search: [Google]

19KB, 493x402px

'Kill terrorists on sight, don't chase them to other countries!' - Russian army general on Mosul op.

>>31741491
God damn it were never gonna hear the end of this. Though he did look a bit older than the kid the al zinki dudes killed. Well at least the Shiites shot him instead of sawing his head off

>>31742909
Ok it's not one force though, there are large Shiite militia commanded by more than one man, the Iraqi army, the Kurds and for some reason the fucking turks

A US solider has been killed by a IED in Iraq today and breaking from the Russian defense minster of 3 Russian soldiers injured in Aleppo.

One US death and 3 Russian injuries on a otherwise non noteworthy day.

https://twitter.com/OIRSpox/status/789164771320864769

I don't have a link for the Russian MOD, just saw it in the last few minutes. Catch ya'll in the morning updates.

File: CvM15fvWEAA5Eoc.jpg (354KB, 2048x1155px) Image search: [Google]

354KB, 2048x1155px

>>31743794
I'll do a Deir Ezzor recap. In the last few days the SAA has made progress on Jaffa village pushing IS back from their front line airbase positions however in the last couple of hours a friendly fire airstrike has happened on SAA troops in the area. Seems they pushed out to far and the Saaf nailed em. Oh well , at least pro SAAers won't be pitching a bitch fit over it like the US bombing raid.

>>31743844
>at least pro SAAers won't be pitching a bitch fit over it like the US bombing raid.
Why would anyone let facts get in the way of blaming America? Everything's America's fault even when it isn't, so when it clearly wasn't America America must be to blame!

>>31743959
It was America's fault for starting all this :^)

File: image.jpg (105KB, 989x717px) Image search: [Google]

105KB, 989x717px

Isis hanging dead peshmerga from a bridge near mosul

>>31744063
>:^)
Where are you from? What kind of subhuman uses this smiley?

>>31744128
Pro Isis source saying 307 militia/army/Kurd killed in the past 3 days of the Mosul op.

>>31744063
No shit sherlock
Anyone who denies that fact is an actual autist

>>31744128
>>31744128
Nice b8

>>31743794
Why do we have guys dieing in that shithole? Fucking aweful way to go.

File: image.png (2MB, 750x1334px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 750x1334px

>>31744378
What bait? That's what they're claiming I never said it was fact, but there has to have been some casualties. Rooting out Isis in positions they've had time to fortify and will be shoot if they abandon has to be rough work

total TOW missile use in Syria

- 1,030 by vetted FSA
- 9 by non-vetted groups (inc. AQ & ISIS)

= 0.8% proliferation rate.

Now mind you, that doesn't mean they weren't used to the benefit of AQ or ISIS...

File: main_1500 (9)11.jpg (587KB, 1500x1000px) Image search: [Google]

587KB, 1500x1000px

Mosul OP

File: main_1500 (9)12.jpg (550KB, 1500x932px) Image search: [Google]

550KB, 1500x932px

>>31744854

File: main_1500 (9)13.jpg (856KB, 1500x1000px) Image search: [Google]

856KB, 1500x1000px

>>31744865

File: main_1500 (9)14.jpg (534KB, 1500x1000px) Image search: [Google]

534KB, 1500x1000px

>>31744885

>>31744823
Yeah except "vetted FSA" doesn't mean much at all

File: main_1500 (9)15.jpg (807KB, 1500x1043px) Image search: [Google]

807KB, 1500x1043px

>>31744888

Any conspiracy theorists agree that ISIL is too well funded, supplied and organised to simply be an organic arab movement?

Can we agree that as a bare minimum, NATO member Turkey is providing intel, logistical support and strategic/tactical expertise?

>>31745058
It is well funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

>>31745070
But they both suck at war. Could SA be a proxy for US/UK intel and training?

>>31745089
why tho? A lot of ISIL fighters are former Iraqi soldiers, with some being high ranking Baathist officers.

It is probable that external forces are supplying ISIL with money and equipment, but as for training? We're talking about hardened veterans who potentially fought up to three (conventional; Iran-Iraq, both Iraq wars) wars before this conflict. They are well organized because they've always been organized, even before they joined ISIL.

File: main_1500 (9)16.jpg (994KB, 1500x1000px) Image search: [Google]

994KB, 1500x1000px

>>31745023
ISIS tunnel

>>31745058
Meh, triumph of the will I think. It's not that they are utterly amazing and insanely funded, it's that everyone around them are subpar as fuck.

File: main_1500 (9)17.jpg (632KB, 1500x954px) Image search: [Google]

632KB, 1500x954px

>>31745128

>>31745089
Isis doesn't suck at war because they drew in good forgien fighters and let's face it after 10 years of war some of the dudes who were still alive were pretty good fighters. They get money and guns from the Saudis and Qatar. Turkey and Isis seem to have fallen out around last year when they started shooting at each other

>>31745124
I just don't see even heavily seasoned ex-Republican Guards being able to achieve this level of success over such a large theatre.

I am tempted to think that there is co-ordination with a modern, sophisticated state level actor. US, UK and Israel are prime suspects IMO. Turkey is a certainty. The scale of the conflict is just too large to be possible without a sophisticated logistics infrastructure and ISTAR.

>>31745425
Lad, I'm sorry to say this, but I think you're seeing patterns where there are none.

>>31745290
>they drew in good forgien fighters and let's face it after 10 years of war some of the dudes who were still alive were pretty good fighters
On an operational level, I agree.
On a tactical and strategic level, I disagree, ISIL is too effective to be doing this all on their own.

>>31745436
Fair point, but these scenarios always seem unbelievable until 30 years later when the CIA archives get declassified.

>>31745520
its an old report, but it shows how intertwined former Baath party operatives and officers are with ISIL.

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-islamicstate/

>>31745425

If the Agency put together ISIS they would be remembered as nothing more than a footnote in the history of Middle Eastern conflicts which read "Some assholes tried to take over a town, got caught with a bunch of western supplied arms and communication gear and either got executed or locked in a dog cage for 50 years".

File: image.jpg (270KB, 1298x773px) Image search: [Google]

270KB, 1298x773px

Well Assad is threatening to shoot at any Turkish plane that violates Syrian airspace to bomb the SDF, and the SDF are building new fortifications. This oughta get fun.

Mean while in Yemen, the houthis have repelled several Saudi attacks and are very close to narjan

File: image.jpg (35KB, 1024x576px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 1024x576px

>>31746116
And this is najran from houthi positions

>>31746138
Map of Yemen stuff

File: image.jpg (240KB, 1000x650px) Image search: [Google]

240KB, 1000x650px

>>31746150

>>31745553
Not only old Republican guard leadership, but also Free Iraqi army as well. Merc outfit started to deal with local insurgency and keep marines out of harm's way back in 06-08. Most door kicking was done by these guys. Extensive training by special forces, true patriots. Defunded by Iraqi purges when America pulled out of Iraq, officially turning COIN ground ops over to iraq. They made up the bodies and guns of IS' initial pushes. These guys were hardcore seizing a lot of material from Iraqi gov forces. These guys are why IS is still relevant to this day.


Probably why ISIS can maintain some of the tanks they have captured as well.

>>31746116
>>31746138
>>31746387
Well to wrap all this up FSA were reported to have fired on the humanitarian checkpoints during the ceasefire to prevent people from leaving. It is becoming clear that reports of people not being able to leave are true. That being said there is still a decent amount of hardcore FSA loyal civilians who will stay no matter what but quite a decent amount would like to leave.

In other news Isis started an offensive in Hama.. That No one seems to be talking about so I guess it went nowhere.

File: image.jpg (74KB, 749x545px) Image search: [Google]

74KB, 749x545px

>>31746788
I really don't know why so many people think it's hard to keep a t55 up and running. You can work on a front loader? You got yourself a t55 mechanic that will keep it running as long as he can Jerryrig it. Shit afghans in mountain villages, with houses made out of mud were able to do this for decades. T72's a bit more complicated but not astronomically so, and these things were designed (more so the t55) so that joe the dirt farmer can maintain them.

>>31746853
All I'm saying is that IS is more experienced than people think, and that they can keep old soviet junk running when they have experience with these AND western contemporary armor is a no brainer.

>>31746138
sometimes I wish modern Arabic would use the Fatah Damah and Kasrah. Shit is hard to read without it. That and the language has a steep learning curve.

>>31741332
Its دبابة and strictly means tank. It isn't slang. Comes from the Arabic root Dababa, or to crawl. Same root as bear too for some weird dumb reason.

>>31744619

Make that man in pic a meme

>>31747245
>the ta marbutah is silent
mind explaining this to me please?

granted im a bit of a newbie when it comes to Arabic, but I haven't been taught that the letter can be silent

>>31747364
it isnt silenta and afaik it never is. did you hear the plural of it maybe?

>>31747379
no, just going off what https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%AF%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%A9 and google translate state.

If they are correct, its the opposite. With the plural having the Ta pronounced while the Ta Marbutah being silent.

Again I know fuck all about arabic because i've only been studying it for a month, so I was curios as to why دبابة doesn't have a "T" ending sound.

>>31747471
ohhh ok i misunderstood. it is only a T sound when there is either something attached to it (a pronoun) or if it precedes another noun. a few examples:

dababat sooriya (tanks OF syria)
dababit-ha (her tank)

with adjectives it stays the same such as:
dababa kabirah (big tank)

by itself it is always just dababah, and the spelling only changes from ta marbootah to Ta if there is an attached pronoun

>>31746893
Isis has no western armor. They did capture a few m1s during the early days but these were either all destroyed or abandoned. So I don't know what point you're trying make bring up western armor like they really ever operated it in any gregarious way.

Anyone who has followed the war knows Isis and al nusra are some of the best fighters over there and were even at the very start of the war, they had the best pool of fighters and ex republican guard/ Baathists leaders to pick from. My buddy who was a marine training the new Iraqi army over there said you could tell who was ex republican guard because you didn't have to teach them to zero their rifles and other infantry shit that a lot of the random fighters just don't know/do.

They aren't being trained by Turkish commandos or clandestine cia/Israeli agents

File: image.jpg (132KB, 540x895px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 540x895px

>>31747318
Have at it my friend

>>31747686

well a lot of the turkmen groups are definitely trained by the turks and in some cases the US, and many of them are directly affiliated with or defect to ANF or ISIS.

but yes, their best soldiers are probably afghan/iraq/chechen insurgency vets.

>>31745058
The following is my opinion and please correct me where I go wrong

I feel like IS had two big trump cards in their early days
>very experienced senior ranks from Iraq (and Syria?), many with a decade or more of insurgent campaigning experience in the area
>propaganda that brings in plenty of cheap cannon fodder all over the Arab world

From what I saw of early reports, they were a monolithic organisation. A departure from the much more common type of jihadi group which is a disparate set of jihadi groups in a loose alliance, usually glued together by money, and sometimes even by common goal
They struck targets which were financially lucrative too. Taking a city also provides taxing options and Raqqa Fried Chicken probably brings in a billion a year at least. Past a certain point, when their propaganda had left its mark, I can see money flowing in through donations too. All it takes is one "rogue" Gulf State Prince and that's a few million bucks on the ledger.

Also don't forget who they were fighting, coming to prominence a time when the quality of fighting forces of the region was at a nadir.

>Supplies
Capitalism finds a way. Western Power donate gear to the "right" rebels? In almost every instance, a lot of that nice gear gets sold off within a couple months, and from that point they're on the free black market and usually end up in the hands of whoever can afford them.

>Logistics
This is where they're falling short really. They wanted to make their state, but it's such a logistical burden that they're finding themselves unable to carry out the large aggressive operations which they had so much success with early on.

>>31747714
>when ISIL bombs your shit CO

>>31747660
ok, thanks for the info.

>>31747727
>
Were. In the case for the US long before, IS even formed.

>>31747686
We are essentially saying the same thing.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that IS can operate soviet tanks because their iraqi combatants have experience with them. They are good on the ground because, before they were IS they were trained by marsoc, in COIN tactics which is why the other groups around them had a hard time routing them and they gained so much ground in the first year or so of ths campaign. They COULD operate M1s because many of IS 'fighters are ex Iraqi army.
Can we stop patting each other on the back so agressively?

>>31747801
np. learning arabic outside of a classroom must be hard af.

>>31747727
>chechen vets
Haven't seen many of them around. What do you think their numbers are, a couple hundred?

>>31737847
It's all propaganda...Saudi-American propaganda the real shit is in Aleppo guys.

>>31747837
I've seen reports of up to 1,000

>>31744823
where the fuck do those figures come from lol, dont think isis is keeping a regional report on TOW missile usage or filming every incident

>>31747837
i couldn't say, but i know there was at some point a major ISIS commander who was chechen and chechens were involved in at least a few massacres.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaish_al-Muhajireen_wal-Ansar

Wikipedia also lists the rough numbers of each country with fighters defecting to ISIS and Russia's says 1700 (I would imagine virtually all of them being Chechen or Dagestani)

>>31747881
>>31747904
Damn I way underestimated their numbers then

>>31747745
>>31747811
Well I don't think it's logistics at this point I think it's man power desu. The Turkmen and the rest of the FSA get some western gear and training and that jazz but people don't deal with Isis much. See jund al aqsa, if you get outed fucking around with Isis it's bad fucking news. Lastly I don't think they could sustain operating western armor considering they didn't make a concerted effort to do so. An m1 is complicated and spare parts and ammo had to be a bitch and a half to find.

>>31747819
it is, it's a pain in the ass to learn, but it's immensely gratifying when I understand one or two words on say the side of a Scud.

File: image.jpg (58KB, 1334x750px) Image search: [Google]

58KB, 1334x750px

>>31747745
>Raqqa fried chicken brings in a billion per year

Let's calm down there bud, they made money selling oil to the Turks, generous donations from the Saudis/Qataris and surprisingly argicultre. They levy a tax on farms and it has been lucrative, I lost the article on it but I'll try and find it again tonight

>>31747971
Agreed, IS is starting spread itself thin.
Experienced leadership is dying and jihadis are taking there place. VBIEDs and suicide bombings are being used as weapons of war, which isn't sustainable. On top of that, every civilian that dies is one that can't join their ranks. Previous commanders were able to use terror to gain recruits. Now, not so much.

>>31748066
They have been using dozens of VBIEDs a day for two years now. It is one of their most effective weapons. 1 of them killed over 100 ypg outside Mosul today.

>>31748167
Right, a lot of their body count recently has been due to VBIEDs, however it suggests that their fighting capacity has degraded to such that they can't sustain conventional warfare for much longer. It's effective, but telling, I think.

>>31748066
Vbieds have been used the entire war pretty much. It's literally the jihadists form of an air strike. It's not like massive Suicide attacks are new. They would use them on any fortified point or large troop movement. See the jisr and kindi hospital and Aleppo prison sieges. These have been done by smaller groups and ones as large as al nusra who used 4, one right after the other to finally take of the arty college when the broke the Aleppo siege for a week

File: image.jpg (51KB, 373x391px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 373x391px

>>31748225
Like are you fucking new or something>>31748277

Wide spread use of vbieds is not anything new dude

>>31748057
When it comes to oil I am sure they made more by selling to Assad than to Turks. At one point they controlled almost all of Syrian oil and selling to SAA was probably done through ether one middlemen or directly. Nothing stops oil, during Bosnian war oil was one thing all sides were moving and selling from start to finish. People blocked food, medicine but never oil and ammo, simply too much money in question.

>>31748225
I find it amazing they are still able to put up such resistance when they are being attacked from the air so much. It is amazing their morale holds.

File: image.jpg (136KB, 976x549px) Image search: [Google]

136KB, 976x549px

>>31748355
They are literally a skeleton crew. They were told to die there and take as many kafir with them as possible hence the very large number of suicide attacks, but like I said suicide bombers/vbieds are nothing new and have been used extensively. They shoot and blow up while the rest go to Syria to set up shop where things are more chaotic.

The use of vbieds is not new and does not mean anything they have been used by a wide variety of jihadi groups from day one. Isis is losing its ability to gain new fighter and its loss of man power is showing because they haven't launched a major offensive anywhere in months. That it's the most telling sign because they were always mobile and striking with force where ever you least expected and now they don't even bother with throwing men at anything other than deir ezzor

File: image.jpg (61KB, 646x485px) Image search: [Google]

61KB, 646x485px

>>31739457
Yeah we're you in the big one chief?

>>31748341
Ehhhhhhh idk about that, if Assad needed oil that bad Russia is there. That's better than literally paying for your enemies ammunition and food

File: 1435440672043.png (53KB, 1052x746px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 1052x746px

>>31740856
Infidel swerve.

>>31748309
I'm not saying that it's a new thing. I'm commenting on how they are using them now. >>31748277
Yeah, but now they kinda just throw them at everything. From airstrikes to kamikaze is my point.

I know one of you are, anyone else learning Arabic? 1st year of university for it.

>>31749236
Learning Chinese

>>31749236
learned it in the military :^)

>>31744823

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""vetted"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

Uzbek video on how to tactically exit a vehicle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STeS2kS4QZ8

Couldn't stop laughing

Well fellas shit is popping off in Kirkuk, Isis had a sleeper cell there and they are raising hell

>>31750986
Here's some video, couple of pictures of dead Isis popped up too

>>31750997
https://twitter.com/johnarterbury/status/789330434505125888

Ops forgot to post the link. 3 suicide fighters got into the police hq and blew themselves up, firefights still ongoing, they are still in atleast 3 districts and the situation is confused.

>>31751029
Apparently they also hit the power plant on the outskirts of kirkuk

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/789349777402126336
Heavy fighting ongoing now south of Kirkuk and in parts of the city. IS launched a surprise attack.

>>31745124
Baathi officers aren't the key players here. There was an article posted on these threads a while ago about this. ISIS military tactics owe more to Chechnya and other such conflicts. The tactics of Baathi officers related more to big, static, defence set-pieces, which isn't suited to the fast paced style of warfare ISIS was engaging in.

Killing terrorists in Mosul = good
Killing terrorists in Aleppo = war crimes!! Putin eats babies

I wish I knew how to invest in construction companies in that region without getting ripped off or put on a terror watchlist because holy shit the Chink and Russian and European companies that'll be hired to rebuild will be making lods of emone.

>>31751687
Killing terrorists in gaza... war crimes!!!

Everyone is a hyppcrete

File: 1475213801721.jpg (61KB, 519x402px) Image search: [Google]

61KB, 519x402px

What are the rebel forces going to do when they run dry of 7.92x33? Throw the StGs away? I know Prvi produces 7.92x33, but are they even allowed to export to Syria, let alone rebels.

File: 4988d41053a09e092f980f7bdc545a54.png (159KB, 309x288px) Image search: [Google]

159KB, 309x288px

>>31748739
Danks m8

>>31751913
If they really wanted some, arms dealers can and will provide. But I'm sure they would just toss them for plentiful AKs

File: image.jpg (129KB, 720x960px) Image search: [Google]

129KB, 720x960px

Oh man this Isis dude on Twitter is talking mad shit, he had some cool pictures of Isis walking around Kirkuk though so I'll post em

>>31751390
Wild, think anything will come of it?

File: image.jpg (149KB, 720x960px) Image search: [Google]

149KB, 720x960px

>>31752055
They are claiming control of half the city and a large peice of territory outside of it but I doubt they have as much as they claim. Well see

>>31751832
Big difference is that the coalition makes a genuine effort to avoid civilians in Inherent Resolve (not to say civilians have been killed but it's like 900+ over 2 years)

>Everyone is a hyppcrete

No they're not, the US and friends came under huge criticism in Iraq and Afghanistan if you care to remember

>>31752067
>huge criticism

How many soldiers/officers were judged for war crimes?
It was fucking nothing and nobody cares.

File: image.jpg (108KB, 436x505px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 436x505px

>>31752055
This is the territory they claim to have outside of it, if anybody has an English map of Kirkuk I can make a map of what he claims they control inside the city in the morning but the situation will no doubt have changed by then. They are already pulling some peshburgers from the Mosul op to take care of this

>>31752074
My point is that this Russia Today-tier narrative that "everyone does same thing, da. West hyocrite when come to war da" is wrong.

File: 1473294535803.png (3MB, 1444x1029px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1444x1029px

>>31739399
>>31741125

This seems like the perfect job for the Russians, the masters of lethal applications on non lethal agents.

>>31751913
It seams you have a wrong impression about how things work in the Balkans. Most likely Serbs will sell it to Turks or Saudis or if Russians get involved to some Bosnian company that will than export it to Turks or Saudis. Nothing stops the money in the Balkans.

https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/789459829689462784

According to SDF them withdrawing from front line is not proof of FSA advancing.

>>31744823
>vetted

Fucking Nusra has used hundreds and they are (were) Al-Qaeda until August

>>31752067
>Big difference is that the coalition makes a genuine effort to avoid civilians in Inherent Resolve
Lmao and Russia doesn't?

800'000 Civilian Iraqis died during the occupation.

>>31753211
>Lmao and Russia doesn't?

According to our media: No they don't. They use baby killing Bunker busters and they aim directly at hospitals and schools and bakeries.

>>31752093
You comparing Iraq and Syria like they are the same situation is what's wrong.

File: image.jpg (214KB, 640x806px) Image search: [Google]

214KB, 640x806px

>>31753220

>No one posted this yet

Live stream of kirkuk getting attacked by ISIL, heavy firefight underway

https://www.rt.com/on-air/363593-isis-attack-kirkuk-iraq/

Humanitarian pause in Aleppo extended for another 24 hours – Russian military
Published time: 21 Oct, 2016 14:22
Get short URL

DETAILS TO FOLLOW

>>31753255
it's still ongoing? damn

>>31753220

Didn't you hear the hard facts? The US makes a "huge effort" and Russia doesn't. That means since we bombed a hospital in Afghanistan, they are bombing Children's Hospitals. If we killed 800,000 Iraqi civillians, Russia has killed 6 million.

https://twitter.com/KawlF/status/789473072805998592

Link is a phone number in Kirkuk to call if you see IS fighters roaming around.

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/789486649067667456
Conflict news reporting a Iraqi reporter in Kirkuk has been killed by sniper fire.

>>31753590
I agree, the US State department is bad at this. At least all those "anti imperialist" people can't bitch about US war crimes anymore. Everyone is doing it, even counties they support.

>>31753211
>>31753590
The US did not kill 800k civilians, not even close. Most of these died through Muslim on Muslim aggression.

So which is it, were you ignorant or lying?

>>31753707

Then the State department realized their Russia boogie man could pull double duty as a Clinton campaign prop

>>31753950
>Most of these died through Muslim on Muslim aggression
Same applied to dead Muslims in Syria

File: CvTrwIRW8AAzUC5.jpg (79KB, 1200x675px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 1200x675px

A picture of IS in Kirkuk. One of them looks like a cub of caliphate kid. Pro Pesh sources generally claim IS has been isolated and surrounded in the city while IS claims to control whole neighborhoods.

>>31754520
B-but Putin isn't a Muslim.

>>31754544
Both can be (and probably is) true.

Its a very bold move and a desperate one at the same time. They want to show that they aren't finished yet and they want to force the Allies to shift forces from Mosul towards Kirkuk.

>>31754566
IS firmly believes the best defense is a good offence.

>>31754735
Which isn't wrong at all.

They just need the manpower to keep up the pressure constantly if thats what they want. And at this point i doubt they have it to keep attacking for a long time.

File: goldberg.jpg (69KB, 712x705px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 712x705px

What happens on the global political scene when Assad wins the war?

>>31754735
And to be frank, they're goddamn right at it. It's paid off tremendously thus far. They, however, need manpower in order to keep pulling off that shit.

File: 1470144438474.jpg (36KB, 640x656px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 640x656px

>>31748167
>1 of them killed over 100 ypg outside Mosul today.

File: CvTzN5zXEAAx6Ck.jpg (52KB, 1024x576px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 1024x576px

New pictures of IS in Kirkuk tonight still claiming to control large parts of the city. That's all I got .

>>31754875
Think they'll dig in and fight, or slip away when they have the chance?

>>31753176
>were
Nah man they're still al Qaeda. Nothing really changed except the name

>>31754960
No one is slipping away around Mosul dude. Their orders are to die there.

>>31754749
I think they need less manpower than if they were defensive focused. They face constant attrition when on defense due to airstrikes. This attack maybe used few hundred men, had they been put on defense around Mosul trying to hold those small towns and villages they would have been wiped out in two, three days.

I should re-upload this with the title "Russian AF indiscriminately bombs civilians and children" and see how many Hillary supporters and dumbass neo-cons believe it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yr-LaMhvro

>>31751698
>implying there will be any actual rebuilding

File: Kirkuk pro IS.jpg (157KB, 841x960px) Image search: [Google]

157KB, 841x960px

Not sure if anyone posted, but pro ISIS map of Kirkuk

>>31755141

The goal is to keep middle-eastern countries in a Yeltsin-esque state, where they still export goods and do business, but are borderline failed states and too weak to stand up for their own interests

File: 1476731240571.jpg (29KB, 537x278px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 537x278px

>>31754768

File: 01.jpg (963KB, 1098x720px) Image search: [Google]

963KB, 1098x720px

<-- this wip looks familar

File: camper burning.jpg-large.jpg (64KB, 1024x576px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 1024x576px

rip camper

>>31755159
jesus christ.

Even if they actually control a quarter of what they claim, that's a lot of territory.

This shouldn't come as a surprise however, ISIL is most likely infiltrating as many cities as possible in preparation for the fall of Mosul.

File: more up to date map of Kirkuk.png (490KB, 550x503px) Image search: [Google]

490KB, 550x503px

>>31755428
here's a map of the reported incidents in the city and the estimated front lines are made from all the supposed clashes that have taken place.

I should put a disclaimer that because this is a social media driven website, there are very high chances that some of the information on here is incorrect.

Still, if this is a closer estimate of the battle, i'll have to give props to ISIL for being able to smuggle in troops and weapons into the city so professionally.

Im sure European security agencies are pissing their pants now considering the same might happen to them.

File: 06307756.jpg (3MB, 896x3164px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 896x3164px

dat feel when you counter a failed rpg projectile with your hand

File: 30.jpg (330KB, 1260x698px) Image search: [Google]

330KB, 1260x698px

pickup + BMP turret? lets do dis!

>>31755469

Link of vid pls

>>31754768
What is the confused and angry nugget implying?

File: 99715092.jpg (368KB, 713x670px) Image search: [Google]

368KB, 713x670px

>>31755549

File: 38316698.jpg (63KB, 657x617px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 657x617px

>>31755549
ha. there is a operator in the inside.

File: index.jpg (23KB, 191x177px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 191x177px

>>31755549
>>31755630
>>31755642
it needs SLAT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7DrpjVZ5-c

File: 1473424612929.jpg (37KB, 750x709px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 750x709px

>>31755139

File: Screen Shot 2016-10-21 at 1.10.52 PM.png (3MB, 1706x958px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1706x958px

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFDON2k8ONg

Live stream from Kurdistan 24.

Things are heating up. Explosion in background, firefight is breaking out. I think the soldiers in the foreground are ISIS? They seem to be in irregular uniform, and disorganized.

>>31756080
Not live actually, just streaming from 5-6 hours ago.

Contradicting reports coming in from Mosul. Pro Kurdish sources state that about 90% of the city now controlled by local security forces, while at the same time AMAQ reports that ISIL controls twelve out of the twenty four municipal districts in the city.

>>31756169
lol meant to say Kirkuk.

Some alarming reports coming in late night Syria. Continued combat in western Ghouta with a SAA BMP destroyed and breaking from Step of rebels attacking the military academy in Aleppo with dozens of rockets and infantry attacking. I have questions here, they can't mean the SAA infantry academy because IS controls that front line there so they have to mean the artillery academy? Regardless *IF TRUE* this looks like they just made a move.

File: image.jpg (186KB, 1080x1080px) Image search: [Google]

186KB, 1080x1080px

>>31755204
I heard he stabbed himself in the back 17 times and threw himself off a bridge

File: image.jpg (90KB, 436x505px) Image search: [Google]

90KB, 436x505px

>>31755465
This is what they claim to control OUTSIDE of Kirkuk. I posted it earlier but here yah go

>>31755465
Was listening to the FT yesterday, they had reports of buildings filled with ovens and washing machines, the timers ripped out for IEDs.

Apparently there's a massive system of tunnels under the city, used to transport weapons/ personnel. ISIS is booby trapping them as they fall back.

Video is Rahman corp using a Shika in Jobar. I am used to seeing SAA Shika vids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmB-FtIVAYk

This shows why the Shilka is so deadly if you are on a high floor and a look into Jobar's urban warfare.

>>31756292
Damn, the propaganda brigade is on over drive for these guys. What's their estimated strength?

>>31756292
>jobar is still a thing

I thought by now they would have flattened the place, wtf

Bruuhhhhh the taliban are in on the drone game now and god damn they blew some ANA the fuck up. This is from nawa in helmend. They make no attempt to stop this dude


https://twitter.com/miirwais/status/789532338954928128

>>31756327
Off the top of my head 3 to 4 thousand.
>>31756334
I am amazed rebels still hold it. It's been crazy.

>>31756378
Another Rahman corp video from today. Most of it is them traveling through tunnels/trenches but at the end you can see a part of devastated Jobar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME4fKNR-Xe4

File: 22445094.jpg (126KB, 1000x562px) Image search: [Google]

126KB, 1000x562px

Taliban also use drones now

File: Screen Shot 2016-10-21 at 2.12.52 PM.png (690KB, 736x628px) Image search: [Google]

690KB, 736x628px

Cool video of Russian Sappers using a robot to clear suspected mine fields.

http://eng.syria.mil.ru/en/index/syria/video/watch.htm?id=7061@morfVideoAudioFile

>controlled by an ipad

Looks like just propaganda though, they're standing right next to the damn thing when it's clearing.

>>31741491
Fucking sandniggers

>>31756724
Marinefag pls go

>>31756597
>ipad
>in any war time environment
Come on man you can bait /g/ better than this.

>>31755139

do it!

>>31753950
Yeah and the vast majority of dead people in Syria are the same.

The most the Russians have killed is 3000-4000 over the last 12 months.

>>31754875
Allahu akbar my brothers

>>31756597

They are using that robot in order to lure children into the minefield to play. The only mines in Syria were placed by Russians

>>31755139
Do it

Good lulz will be had

Also anon>>31753950
Might want to watch this video

File: Lister.jpg (217KB, 1600x1200px) Image search: [Google]

217KB, 1600x1200px

>>31757973

Oh brother, in short, I went TODAY SHORT MARKET and saw the infidels in a vest "أنا أحب الأغنام", well, I jumped up and dramatically blew himself up for Allah's sake and to explain his cry, "Who is at war, in short, on the contrary, Muslims - he is a kafir ! "because I'm mad ON caliphate BROTHERS THE SPIRIT LIVES ONLY IN QURAN Raqqa WHERE TO EBASHATSYA jihad Mujahideen LIVE WHERE Imani, Amalie And fuck MODE ASMOCHKI in the hole! CALIPHATE ONLY ONLY JIHAD !!! Sunnah ULTRADZHIHAD Raqqa !!! BROTHERS CUT ASADITOV, apostates, hypocrites, infidels, crusaders, TAKBIRTE ON Ribat LOVE EMIR, brothers and sisters! MAKE DUA, in short, openly and boldly in the face! Allahu akbar!

>>31755465
>US air force intelligence missed THIS MUCH

>>31755549
Lmao arab ingenuity has improved

>>31758017

Here you sit mocking Allah subhana wa'tala with your vile copy and pastings, but He still says to you Come! you must make toba and be forgiven by Allah swt for on that day no one will answer for you but yourself, not even the Prophet Isa will ask Allah to save you so great is Allah subhana wa'tala's power and fearfulness that even the Prophet Isa who was obedient to his mother will say on that day "I won't even ask you for my mother" standing there naked to be judged before Allah.... My friend you must realize how serious this is. Allah will forgive you! But you MUST make toba. I will cry every day in fear of Allah even had he threatened to put me into the toilet for eternity, but Allah has threatened to put me into HELLFIRE for eternity. Do you know what this means friend. It is the threat for every living person if they do not make toba and repent to Allah subhana, in hell fire your skin will be made anew to feel the pain that never stops.

>>31756213
Interesting. They are trying that again

Last time they lost nearly 600 men to Russian bombing. I wonder what will happen this time

>>31756338
I read somewhere that there were about 3,500 suicide bombings in 2015.

Really makes you think.

File: 14713339774810.jpg (57KB, 453x604px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 453x604px

>>31758064

AlhamduliLlyah. How nice that Allah has closed your eyes to such obvious things, is nothing else in his mercy to his servants, for their own safety. You, dzhyahili if jihadist with a belt in front of the nose will take place, you will not notice it.

File: image.jpg (137KB, 640x1059px) Image search: [Google]

137KB, 640x1059px

>>31758137
I'm gonna do an image dump from back when I started coming to these threads

File: 176[1].jpg (48KB, 600x899px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 600x899px

K*RDS = TURDS

File: image.jpg (162KB, 640x1048px) Image search: [Google]

162KB, 640x1048px

>>31758157

File: image.jpg (212KB, 640x1075px) Image search: [Google]

212KB, 640x1075px

>>31758168

File: image.jpg (156KB, 640x1136px) Image search: [Google]

156KB, 640x1136px

>>31758200

File: image.jpg (97KB, 640x649px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 640x649px

>>31758246
>This is actually good news for the world

I guess he was right.

File: image.jpg (159KB, 640x1136px) Image search: [Google]

159KB, 640x1136px

>>31758274

File: image.jpg (162KB, 640x1053px) Image search: [Google]

162KB, 640x1053px

>>31758316

File: image.jpg (184KB, 640x1136px) Image search: [Google]

184KB, 640x1136px

>>31758334

>>31739457
So you're going to run away and leave better men to die in your stead, Dug-out Doug?

File: image.jpg (103KB, 640x916px) Image search: [Google]

103KB, 640x916px

>>31758351

File: image.jpg (72KB, 640x931px) Image search: [Google]

72KB, 640x931px

>>31758420
And our favorite Jihadi

>>31756574
and here is the SAA video of Rahman killed in the attacks today. They admit 8, SAA says 14. To sum up Rahman may have taken a few front line positions and were repelled in others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KxjxJYQdVs

Some people mistake me for being pro rebel due to my extensive pro rebel sources. No , I just love watching a war in real time. As long as it's a good fight.

File: 1476981665691.jpg (17KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 480x360px

>>31744823

>Vetted FSA

And who gets to make that distinction?

>>31758836
If everyone is vetted FSA, there is no proliferation.
Simple math!

>>31758836
CIA

>>31754735

Only good if you're opponents are retarded. Which is true for Arabs.

So what do you do if ISIS fighters show up at your door one day, how do you talk yourself out of that kind of situation?

>>31760098
say you're sunni, act neutral.

>>31760203
I'd tell them I'm from the city of brotherly love. That would do the trick, because as we all know, it's always Sunni in Philadelphia.

>>31755139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXmpJRZPYI

dub this over it

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2016/10/taliban-details-deadly-ambush-of-afghan-military-convoy.php

missed this, anybody have a link?

File: 000_H8223.jpg (3MB, 2895x1930px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 2895x1930px

dumping recent Mosul pics

File: 1017mosulvictory01.jpg (2MB, 3500x2334px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3500x2334px

>>31760818

File: 5806f89267b0a93264d320f9.jpg (1MB, 5760x3840px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 5760x3840px

>>31760834

File: 161019-N-QN175-071A.jpg (1MB, 4526x3017px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 4526x3017px

>>31760860

File: mosul-tunnels-101816-2.jpg (1MB, 5184x3456px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 5184x3456px

>>31760890

File: Iraq-AP12.jpg (1MB, 5760x3840px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 5760x3840px

>>31760907

File: scanpix-20161011-220759-3_1.jpg (1MB, 5007x3124px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 5007x3124px

>>31760922

File: 69671.jpg (2MB, 3500x2416px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3500x2416px

>>31760945

File: ccae7402-8255-4e1e-8fcc-dcbf3f9404c3.jpg (1004KB, 2560x1707px) Image search: [Google]

1004KB, 2560x1707px

>>31760963

File: mainjpgauthTokeneNoNjUEKAyEMAF9kScwavQT2Gb2Kul3BVqGsbSGPr3OY08BoQoTo2UPGAgWLnhNVSCBjRmDycfmTSi0mejhMLy8YnCRSHvN4q1F0OstbdbW4j7rLK2fXdLalXFbYOnNfxkTjons799SCtQwxiYHa49n82FCgM.jpg (1MB, 5376x3512px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 5376x3512px

>>31760977

File: 580a20bd8d83b449278b4e35.jpg (3MB, 3500x2334px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 3500x2334px

>>31760997
Kirkuk

File: 20161017181404anapicp-9754870_171020162101000000_r_gen_20161017000000_15120163.h.jpg (1015KB, 2835x1890px) Image search: [Google]

1015KB, 2835x1890px

>>31761056

File: c037120a9b13435eb3977c20f109bc46.jpg (3MB, 3000x1688px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 3000x1688px

>>31761072

>>31760834
certified badass

>>31760577
olololololololo

>>31752176

Hey, that's a Zvezda model. They are excellent.

>>31754520
>>31757931
>>31758008

Citing the 800k as a measure for how discriminate/indiscriminate US bombing in is, is either misleading or dumb.

While no one has claimed that ALL, or most of the Syrian civilians were killed by the Russians.

Actually it was just the pro Russians bringing up a number that has no relevance to the discussion. As bringing up the total of civilians killed in Syrian would have been.

>>31755139
>>31758008
BTW, vid looks like a prefect example of precision strikes.

Same targets get subsequent follow up hits, which means it's precise munition. and some secondary explosions can be spotted, which makes it likely ammunition stores were the targets of at least some of these strikes.

>expecting fanboys to actually know anything military related on /k/
I guess I fucked up. I mean I can see how this may look like indiscriminate bombings for those who don't know wtf they are talking about.

>>31763332
Try actually reading and comprehending the first post you replied to before bitching about it.

>>31763352
I did, it's a propaganda post that contributes nothing to the discussion.

>>31763369
You clearly didn't, because your entire first post.
Speaking of which, if you're so keen to preserve 'the discussion' in this thread as you see it, your post fails your own standards as well.
>tl/dr you're retarded on every front

Is Turkey going to push towards Aleppo?

Brigadier General Adel Ragaei was assassinated as he was leaving his home at Obour City suburb (near Cairo). With Liwa al-Thawra possibly claiming responsibility.

Ragaei was one of the fathers of the program to flood the tunnels from Gaza to Sinai and oversaw the execution. He was also responsible for clearing a 2km area from the border into Sinai from houses, destroying much of the Egyptian part of Rafah in the process.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/egypt-senior-military-official-shot-dead-cairo-161022114122461.html

>>31763393
>You clearly didn't, because your entire first post.
I liked to two posts in my first post. Are you blind?
The reply in my first post was directed at this guy >>31758008 primarily and the possible implications of the 1st post. Get your head out of your ass.

as for discussion, a reply is not the same as a propaganda bait post.

>>31763636
No, they want to take al-Bab from ISIS to give their FSA a major town besides Azaz and foster the whole "major anti-ISIS intervention" narrative.
They also right now are trying to kick the Kurds out of the Azaz Corridor that they had seized when it was cut off by the SAA at the beginning of the year, to retake Tal Rifaat and further isolate the Afrin Canton.
Then there is still further ISIS clay to take beyond al-Bab and the major question how you deal with kurd "occupied" Manbij that has to be addressed in the near future.

Only after that there might be an option to influence the Battle for Aleppo or annoy Assad in other ways. Right now Turkey needs Russias and Syrias neutrality.

>>31763304
>no relevance to the discussion

You were the one who was claiming that the US doesn't cause as much collateral damage as Russia. You didn't specify the country or time.

File: 1452682741136.png (7KB, 540x124px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 540x124px

>>31763818

i hope you are right about al-Bab
I have this bad feeling, all this was to get to aleppo from the north and everything else was just secondary

So, even if i dont really like the kurds, i really hope they kick some FSA asses and delay a possible connection with the aleppo (SAA) frontline as long as possible
Im okay with them (FSA) having al-bab. i dont give a fuck about that city. And even better, they will lose a lot of manpower to gain it, so go on, fucktards

>>31754549
>B-but Putin isn't a Muslim.
Impliyng Putin kills syrians personally

>>31765137
Turkey and Russia have clearly drawn some lines where each side can go and what is allowed and what not.

Besides, these somewhat more ''moderate'' FSA have proved to be pretty shit and there is not enough turkish equipment or advisers in there yet to make any real difference.
Even the argument, that the rebels will grow too powerfull if they take too much ground is invalid, if you remember that they controlled all that during the first half of the battle of Aleppo (i think during late 2013 they had pretty much the whole province, besides regime hold western aleppo city and a couple of military bases in the south).

Of course direct turkish intervention is not something that is good for Assad and who knows what will happen in the middle to longer timespan. He better makes some progress in Aleppo in the next months (and keep praying that Russia never gets tired of Syria)

>>31745473
You don't know what any of those words a mean nigger

File: wrecked.webm (3MB, 1040x585px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1040x585px

>>31765471
this is my current favorite

>>31766261
I find it amazing that people can survive TOWs despite the hit was literally an arm length next to them.

>>31766352
Just the nature of the warhead. And yeah they are running, but also who's to say they didn't take a slice of shrapnel and they are just full of adrenaline.

File: 1461752884394.jpg (20KB, 855x439px) Image search: [Google]

20KB, 855x439px

>>31766352

explosives are overrated if you ask me (thx 2 hollywood).
Its the shrapnels, making them really dangerous.

And since ATGMs are build to penetrate armor and doesnt carry steel/tungsten balls for example, the chances arent thaaaat bad.

But seriously, you can survive it, but you are fucked up (cant hear, maybe blind and so on) forever

File: CvSIT3yVUAAMeqo.jpg-large.jpg (465KB, 2047x1038px) Image search: [Google]

465KB, 2047x1038px

>>31766261
they made selfie

>>31766261
>m-m-m-m-monster kill

>>31766261
>wasting TOWs against infantry

>>31765471
It's fascinating to see how blast waves are influenced by terrain features in flat urban environments.
You can be relatively nearby and be completely fine when the blast is deflected by concrete at the right angle or turned into paste at a great distance because the deflected wave is compressed and focussed..

>>31766831
If you get them in unlimited numbers there is no reason not to use them.

>>31764313
1. 800k civilian losses, which were primarilly caused by neither the us nor russia is an irrelevant number.
2. I made no such claim in my posts hence why i did not make an effort to substentiate it.

>>31741491
Their censoring job is superb.

>>31766352
I mean yeah, you can thank adrenaline for that.

>FUCKING CAMPERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=tFmTPdaWApo

File: ISIS child executing 'Israeli spy'.jpg (194KB, 490x378px) Image search: [Google]

194KB, 490x378px

>>31741491

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxauqa7rJgI