German fights gun-grabbing cops

>>31729392
Here

>>31729392
>because of his activities
And what was that?

THE FIRES RISES!!!!!!!!!!

>>31729599

probably bitching about fakeugess on kikebook

>>31729599
Owning guns and not liking the government probably.

>>31729599
>>31729674
If you own a gun in Germany, you must allow police to inspect them whenever they want.

Apparently he turned the police away on previous occasions (and Reichsbürger harass state officials in general), so they had enough.

>>31729392
>Sovereign Citizen / Freemen arguments
>actually having merit

Lmao

Bin ich inhaftiert, Offizier? Bin ich inhaftiert???

>>31729688
See: >>>/pol/93618997 >>>/pol/93620098 >>>/pol/93620115

>>31729680
God, we absolutely cannot lose the 2nd and 4th admendments.

>>31729688
As much as I hate idiots who think they can just simply state they're a sovereign citizen with no consequences, I at least acknowledge that the concept DOES have merit. Do you not agree that people have a right to life and liberty with no interference from the government if they haven't infringed on the life and liberty of someone else?

>>31729700
>Implying the 2nd and 4th haven't already been chewed up and spit back out

>>31729688
>>31729703
They're the equivalent of US Free Citizens, but not the same. See: >>31729697
I don't actually know what Free Citizens in the US base their stuff on, but to my knowledge they're mostly leftists and minorities who are allergic to police interaction.

Reichsbürger in Germany base their position on real shady (il)legal proceedings that undermine the legal legitimacy of the German state (and which our constitutional court has called into question as well, but it concluded that while the government owns the police and the military and the land, it doesn't really matter), and therefore obstruct it wherever the can. The end result is similar to Free Citizens, though.

>>31729707
I guess they're gone then. Shit. You have a great point man!

>>31729725
Freedoms are all or nothing dude. If there are unreasonable regulations or restrictions on what is supposed to be an inalienable right, it's no longer a freedom.

Just when I was going to become hasgunz :'-(
I'm not suggesting it was a false flag, but it fits the narrative of the EU gun grab (medical checks, tighter restrictions etc) which is being voted on in late November pretty well.

>>31729697
this is hilarious

the thing these people never seem to understand is that law exists by societal consensus

The SPQR never formally ceded their claims in Rhineland, therefore I am subject to Roman civil law

>>31729721
>free citizens
>leftists

lolno
They are mostly conservative libertarian conspiracists and assorted right wing mental cases

>>31729697
I AM A CITIZEN OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE

>>31729768
The "getting owned" compilations are great. Guys are speeding, running from the cops, and when they finally stop get swarmed, the cops are yelling at them you get out and they're just "AM I UNDER ARREST AM I BEING DETAINED?!" as if it's a magical "stay out of jail" card, and once a cop gets a door open and hears it "YES YOU'RE UNDER ARREST!"

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>>31729392
>wounded 4
>not shooting to kill

>>31729762
>law exists by consensus
How about law exists by those in power using violence to enforce it?

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>>31729742
We know what must be done, Euros

>>31729839
well that logic would not disprove the point either - the crazyguy is wrong in both cases

>>31729392
>because of his activities

Fucking Reichsbürgers.

>gov't revokes license
probably WaffG §5 Abs. 2 or 3
Those state that you are unfit to own weapons if you are member of forbidden parties (such as nsdap) or terrorist organizations and the like, or "majorly participate in actions directly intended to attack or undermine the principles of freedom or democracy" - which is almost a given as a Reichsarschloch, as has been pointed out in this thread already.

>tl;dr criminals can't legally own guns, more news at 6

>>31730046
>You're not allowed to participate or like a group that "undermines the principles of freedom democracy"
>This is someone supposed to respect peoples freedom to believe what they want

Talk about backwards retarded

>>31729742
Really? That someone crazy enough to go for the sovereign citizen shtick would also be crazy enough to do somethign crazy with his guns when the cops show up smells like a conspiracy to you? Is it also a EU conspiracy that your foot hurts after you stub your toe on a table leg?

>>31729392
Are these guys like Freemen in North America?

>>31729392
>he opens fire immediately, 4 cops wounded
This takes major balls. Opening fire means that you will probably be killed or imprisoned for 20 years. That's a lifelong consequence decision you have to make in seconds.

What would you do, when they're coming?

>>31730220
>What would you do, when they're coming?

Anyone who understands asymmetric warfare knows you need to hit before they ever come, and make sure they never know who you are when you do it.

When they've come to you, it's already too late.

>>31730184
>putting words in my mouth
I don't give a shit what you do in your free time, or believe, or whatever. But some things (such as terrorism) happen to be illegal, so you best (as in, in your own best interest) avoid doing that. Or if you can't, you have no business owning guns. That is not me respecting or disrespecting your beliefs, thats quite literally the law.

>>31730220
Take as many people with me as I can

>>31730244
Well, or you hit "them" after they've come in a different manner.

>>31730046
>not being anti-fa is a crime
Fuck off, Germcuck

>>31730220
>This takes major balls.

Or you know, a poor gasp of cause/effect, negligible impulse control, inability to truly understand the consequences of your actions...

So a Reichsassbürger.

>>31729842
I love that picture

>>31730334
>disagreeing with the government is terrorism

It's quite ironic that the modern state of Germany took a page right out of Mein Kampf when deciding how to protect freedom of speech. There is literally no difference between "threatening the democratic order" in modern Germany and Volksverhetzung in Nazi Germany. The German government literally jails people for disagreeing on how the state should function.

>>31730403
>Implying Germany doesn't have damn good historical cause to work against fascist influence within their borders

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>>31730448
>bringing in military aged men from a war zone into their country and then forcing other euro countries to do the same
>work against fascist influence
Okay

>>31730448
>implying Germany doesnt have damn good cause to fight the jewish cause

>>31730405
I was thinking about the reaction to implemented gun control in the US. This is a poor example.

A book I read told about the US with heavily implemented gun control. The guys with the biggest mouths: "They'll never take mine!'' were the first to give in.

Sorry about the English, working on it.

>>31730513
>>>/pol/

>>31730443
Ah, poor little thing, is your freedom to oppress being infringed? How tyrannical. And being a bit cross when someone tries to bring down the entire democratic system with threats and violence is quite the same as jailing people for simply wanting there to be more than a single party, yes sir, exactly the same.

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>>31729599
Listening to RAC music. Voting NPD.

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>>31730596
>Thinks "da joos" is an argument and not a tag to ID /pol/ leakage

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/13/germany-87-year-old-nazi-grandma-jailed-for-denying-holocaust.html

>you get sent to jail in Germany for hurting feelings

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>>31730613
>thinks sending people to /pol/ is an argument

>>31730517

I'm not sure how relevant a fiction is to reality. I know it would be very regional for one thing. The entire south would basically say "Nah" and engage in mass disobedience and probably if anything, loosen gun laws without federal ones to hold them back.

>>31729392
Welcome to Reichsbürger, may I take your order?

>>31730691

May I take your new world order?*

>>31730596
>>31730613

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1476893905969.webm

>>31730621
>hurting feelings
No, for trying to deny a blatant fact of the nation's crime against humanity. Whether or not that just serves to reinforce assholes is a major debate in and of itself, but you can kind of see why they want to stomp that kind of thinking out.
>inb4 "da joo liez/cuntroll"

>>31730632
>>31730803
>/pol/lacks mad they get told to go home

>>31730858
>No, for trying to deny a blatant fact of the nation's crime against humanity.
Uh huh, so going to jail for hurting feelings. Thanks for correcting my record.


>/pol/lacks mad they get told to go home
>you have to be from /pol/ to say /pol/shit

If i had a nickle for every newfag who posts this shit, i wouldn't be rich, but i'd certainly have a lot of nickles.


I'll bet you've never even packed a trail snake survival kit. Hell, i'll bet you've never had some roodypoos in your pockets.

>>31730858
Not an argument.
But when the state denies it's intent for bringing in 3rd world "refugees" into your country then it's okay?

>>31730893
>>31730897
>/pol/: easy to bait into mad responses

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>>31730950
>bait
>mad
>/pol
so you admit you're an idiot, eh? Not many do. but judging by how lame you are, i'd say you're the angry one here.

>>31730964
>>31730971
Hey, I'm not the one with "da joos" responses about the explanation on German laws. I wasn't even justifying them, but you fucks get so tweaked about the idea that anybody could do anything to you for being an asshole in the real world.

>>31730989
> but you fucks get so tweaked about the idea that anybody could do anything to you for being an asshole in the real world.

I only jumped in when your newfag started to show. But i see that not only are you retarded, you're a fascist to boot.

>>31730989
>I wasn't justifying them
>german government labels you as a terrorist if you don't agree with them
>that's okay

>>31730659
Hell, new York has the highest non compliance rates with gun laws thanks to the safe act.
Feds would drop like flies if they tried to play games in the south

>>31731014
>I only jumped in when your newfag started to show.
>HURR DURR ONLEE /pol/FAGS LIEK MEE ARE OLD /k/
Yeah, no. I've been here for a long time you shit. Do you remember /b/'s CP raids? How insufferable Marisa and his forumfagging tripfag followers made this place for a while? No? Then GTFO of MY /k/.

>>31731021
At no point did I say it was OK, and in fact:
> Whether or not that just serves to reinforce assholes is a major debate in and of itself
But keep pretending you're not an oversimplifying dickbag.

>>31729703
>if they haven't infringed on the life and liberty of someone else?
I agree in principle, but the guy was clearly doing the above in this case.

>>31729742
>literal naziboo gets btfo
>hurr durr it's da libruls guis, they're setting up a false flag to take everyone's guns!
You need to loosten that tinfoil.

>>31731045
Shit, I've been here around 8 years and I don't even remember that.

>mfw I realize the faggots coming in here now haven't even been exposed to IVAN in a first hand sense

>>31731045
yea hate these newfags claiming theyre oldfags when they dont even know the oldschool memes like the banana and wew lad

>>31729680


Apparently it was he who had enough, this time.

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>>31731129
>Paris happens
>terrorist use illegal guns smuggled from the Balkans
>we need to ban all semi-auto firearms
Hmmm

Which guns did he have?

>>31731208
He owned 30 guns but the one he used was a PPK

>>31729762
>law exists by societal consensus
No it dosen't.
Es exist because few people force their idears and their power on the manny

>>31731261
That explains the wounded and no deaths.

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>>31730486
Lemme spell it out for you since you're probably dumb enough to think in /pol/-tier thinking

>Germany has the biggest economy in continental Europe, and unlike France, its legally sustainable. They have a work ethic, factories, and unlike Scandinavia, their economy isn't being bolstered by finite resources like logging, and oil. They already have Turks integrated there for 2 generations. By taking in refugees earlier, they get to choose the least marginal cases, leaving everyone else to go to France, or wherever the fuck else.

Its the marginal cases, the losers who can't get jobs/girlfriends that will cause terror attacks, and Merkel knows this. She also knows that Germans themselves will be hesitant to kick out all the Muslims, so she's leaving that to the other Euro nations. In 20 years you will agree that Merkel was right. She's preventing terror in Germany by allowing it to occur in France.

>>31731284
Indeed. The only laws that should exist, should be the ones regulating the conflicts between the human rights.

>>31731372
It must also be noted that the US refugee vetting process is easily one of the longest, thorough, multi-stage, multi-year methods in use.

And that all of the attackers in the Euro terror attacks were already EU citizens, most born there and radicalized online.

>>31731395
And in your utopia everyone has endless sunshine and rainbows too, right?

>>31730517
That sounds a lot like it's directly from the Turner diaries (which is a horrible read b.t.w, the writer was clearly typing with his cock in his other hand).

>>31731372
>>>>rifles

>>31731372
Yeah, because no terror attacks happened in Germany.

>>31731372
>turks
>integrated

the turks have their own parallel society and the kraut government itself has called the integration of the turks a failure

>>31731858
Yeah, but they still make a great doner kebab.

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>>31729842
>tfw your commentary to the photo still endures through time
my life's biggest achievement desu senpaitachi. thanks for making it happen.

>>31731372
See, the problem with your logic is that you think Germany, and by extension the rest of the EU, needed to take in "refugees" in the first place, which they didn't. Real refugees? maybe. But "refugees"? No. So good job on being a retard.

>>31730405
What are you even doing on /k/? You know that we all pretty much have a hard on for fighting government tyranny, right?

>>31731372
triggered, hope rapefugees rape your mom and the rest of your family

>>31732012
>we

Update:
According to Bavarian state media the SEK officer just died in hospital
https://br24.de/nachrichten/Bayern/schwerverletzter-polizist-gestorben

>>31729392
I'm German and I've actually (and regrettably) met a couple of Reichsbürger. To say they're the German equivalent of US sovereign citizens is wrong.
They're no extreme literalists who have some philosophical quarrel over the ideas of government (though this isn't necessarily true of the US sovereign citizens either, I know). They're always (yes, if they're active about it, always) far right extremist. Their belief is that Germany would actually still legally be the Third Reich as it's liberation and occupation by the Allies was never officially ended.
This claim which, supposedly holds the"merit" OP talks about is really nonsense though and has again and again been proven to be so. The occupation of Germany (East and West) ended when their respective governments were first formed. Both governments declared new republics and the Third Reich ended.
So they don't generally oppose the legitimacy of the German government's role but instead insist that they'd be "legally" citizens of the Third Reich.

German gun laws, as stupid as they are, were put in place, however, to give the police the legal justification to disarm political extremists, criminals and terrorists.
We don't have a second amendment, sadly. But as long as we don't, and the only guidable armed force we have internally is the police, these poor fellas are who we SHOULD use to control such nutsacks.

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>>31732070
Yes >we. You are the outlier, retard. Maybe you should go join a gun forum for those who like the government's dick up their ass, if such a thing even exists.

>>31732276
>Still speaking for all of /k/ as if it's a hive mind
Not your hugbox, go fuck a meat grinder, etc.

>>31732183
Oh shit. I bet this doesn't happen very often over there. Maybe some new gun laws for you bad Deutsche goyim.

>>31732249
Um urkaine is total war.

>>31732287
While /k/ isn't a hive mind, there are still large trends. For instance, almost all of us don't like our freedoms being trampled upon. Those that do are largely unwelcome. So please, fuck off forever.

Fun fact the munich massacre this summer was actually 3 or more gunmen but the ZOG politicians covered it up and changed the story multiple times so in the end the muslim terrorist cell was reduced to "one mentally disturbed lone wolf" instead

Meanwhile shit like this gets blown out of proportion and the sheeple will buy it like the clueless retards they are

>sovereign citizen nonsense has made it to Germany

Are German sovereigns like Canadian sovereigns in that their bullshit still refers to US law despite not actually being in the US?

>>31732313
>Those that do are largely unwelcome. So please, fuck off forever.
>Durr muh board culture
Get bent.

>>31729392
>a German has more balls than all these American "/k/ommandos"

lel, the people here would turn in their guns if they had to

>>31732330
If you'd actually read the thread you'd see that they do have a somewhat legit basis, in that there was no actual full ratification of a new government post-reunification. But at the same time the German government has had a de facto legitimization because the people simply accepted the permanence of what was originally a temporary government.

>>31732349
>PROJECTION

>>31732330
They simply belive that the german empire (thus the name: citizens of the empire) that existed between 1919 and 1933/1945 (depending on how right winged they are) never ceased to exist.
So they dont abidy anny laws made after 33/45

>>31731858
You're wrong. The German government has never said integration was a failure. It's all based on a quote taken so out of context it hurts. It was said that a very specific integration policy was a failure and effective. Do your homework.
Integration in Germany actually does work really well. Studies have shown that especially Turkish immigrants pay more taxes than the average German and cost less than the average German in benefits.

Beyond that they do a lot of work that many Germans simply don't want to do.
And the reason Germany has a relatively lax immigration policy is because without emigration the population growth rate would be fucking low that the population would actually shrink, making economical growth or even sustenance impossible.

It's funny how it's usually politically right wing people with low to no education who freak out about "foreigners taking our money", when they in fact are much more expensive.
If we had a way to have them emigrate, Germany would be even further ahead in the EU...

>>31732337
And look at that, folks. The interloper has run out of arguments. May he fuck off to be with his own kind.

>>31732349
With sovereigns, is less about having "balls" and more about having a few screws loose.

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>>31732377
>Beyond that they do a lot of work that many Germans simply don't want to do.

Oh, I thought this kind of argument was just an American thing.

Might as well just say "Brown people do the jobs white people don't want to do" at this point.

>>31732380
>Interloper
>Out of arguments
Against what, the retarded "ur not muh /k/ cuz u dizagree wit me" bullshit? Make an actual argument instead of this reddit/forum hugbox shit of casting out anybody that doesn't fit your personal views.

>>31732401
>Oh, I thought this kind of argument was just an American thing.
Let's be fair, how many Americans are willing to be homeless, moving from farm to farm, doing unmechanizable harvest labor, for a quarter of the minimum wage?

Because that's what it takes right now for a lot of fresh produce to be economically sustainable at current prices.

>>31732377
>White people don't breed fast enough, therefore we need to replace the native populations with brown foreigners for cheap labor

>>31732195
>nutsacks
I'm an American and I name this man an honorary American. You on the other hand are a pussy, and I would not mourn the jews throwing you in the slammer for not welcoming enough muslims into your house. Go burn down some more libraries, antifa.

>>31732377
So why don't you kick out germans insted? If thats better for economics what stop you guys?

>>31732455
You got me, that was a shitty reddit-tier argument.

Still though, fuck you.

>>31732565
I don't think being honest and telling white people they're economically better off being replaced with brown people would sit well with them.

Although wanting to replace native populations with mass immigration for cheap labor seems to a be a very "white people mindset".

Japan has all these problems Europe has with their native populations, and somehow they're still soldiering on.

>>31729703
No, you're not above the law just because you capitalize your name differently and the flag in yhe courtroom has fringe on it.

>>31732477
>Because that's what it takes right now for a lot of fresh produce to be economically sustainable at current prices.

Wat? I won't dispute that day/farm labor is real, but even so quarter of min wage is nowhere near going rate for pickers.

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>>31732565
Yeah, if it's cheaper to put your people in concentration camps and gas them than to feed and educate them, why aren't you doing the former? It's more expensive to have, provide for, and educate a kid than to castrate yourself and your wife and then adopt somebody else's kid, so why aren't more doing it?

In fact, it makes more ecomic sense for everybody in the first world to kill itself, because after all, we use 4x the rest of the world in resources per capita. Dis iz terribly inefficient, ja? Why aren't we just inflicting a nuclear holocaust on ourselves RIGHT NOW?

>>31732477

The fact that farms need to be able to pay their workers at 1/4th wages under the table to break even is a sign of much more serious economic problems, IMO. It's almost like it's meant to prevent inflation in food prices as long as possible.

> illegial / undocumented Immigrants are the labor version of quantative easing, holy shit

>>31729721
American Sovereign citizens are almost always very right wing, and white (because the black ones get shot by the cops sooner rather than later)

>>31729721
And they also base their bullshit on "shady procedings that undermine the legitimacy of the state" usually they think theyve found 'this one wierd trick that means the laws dont apply to you because you're not a citizen of the country youre living in' its alwsys really stupid.

>>31729721
Shit. Where's that video (I think it was on LiveLeak) of some girl and her boyfriend getting pulled over by a cop. Guy complies and gets out etc.. but when he asks the woman to step out she starts flipping the fuck out. Screaming about how she doesn't abide by the US law and how she's a free person or some shit. Was nuts. Eventually I think she started screaming rape or some shit. Jesus Christ.

>>31732494
Fuck off, sovereign citizens are shit and Reichstards sound about the same.

>>31732673
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCozh_vbYdM
>Pasty white SovCit trucker stopped by border patrol won't even answer basic questions about if he's a citizen
>Misquotes laws, even when the officer pulls out a card and reads it verbatim on why he has the authority to arrest him if he won't have even the bare minimum required cooperation in a legal stop
>Is given 30 chances to just even answer "are you a citizen" or provide a driver's license, which is required to drive on public roads in the US, especially commercial vehicles, before the cop finally does as he says he would and breaks the window to pull him out

>Guy in court waiting room believes he isn't subject to the court's jurisdiction, something something maritime law
>Demands to get past guards to talk to prosecutor during live court session
>They make reasonable request that he stop filming to go in
>Keeps filming and tries to shove past
>gets warning
>taser drawn and warned again
>Surprised when tased

They can be pretty hilariously stupid.

>>31732655
>imblying

They make around the same takehome wages, they have to live in the us and send money home, you know.

The saveings comes from their tax free nature.

>>31729807
My favorite:
>guy gets pulled over
>only rolls down widow halfway
>refuses to give license/registration stuff
>refuses to then get out of car
>cop literally grabs window and rips it out
>guy still won't get out
>tazed.jpg

>>31732790
>sovereign citizens are shit
Nope, bootlickers/cuckolds/statists are shit.
I don't know how anyone can argue against inalienable rights, but somehow I feel like those who do know they're too stupid to live without someone else telling them what to do.

>>31732656
>American Sovereign citizens are almost always very right wing, and white (because the black ones get shot by the cops sooner rather than later)

You'd be surprised. There is a relatively large pocket of sovereign citizen nonsense surrounding the Moorish Science Temple. Though as you noted, they are less likely to be into the firearm aspect of things. Usually they keep their craziness limit to court-related activities.

>>31732795
P. Barnes is a national treasure.

>>31730448
>>31730574
Faggot. Enjoy having Germany unravel before your eyes because you're afraid of facing the truth.

>>31731372
This dellusion.
You really drank the kool aid big time.

Also France will never accept as many rapefugees as Germany.

Are you aware France has the strongest far right party in all of Europe ? Are you aware just yesterday policemen demonstrated in the streets of Paris with their weapons against the government ?

>Germany has the biggest economy in continental Europe, and unlike France, its legally sustainable.

>legally sustainable.
Topkek.

VW shown this with their falsificated records for their engines.
Also, the german GIBSMEDAT attitude is well known now in Europe. They pretend to buy more of a product, get more of the economic share, then cut their orders.

So you can put your "legally" in your butthole. You're again fucking Europe up and your own patriotic countrymen with you.

I hope you get killed by muhamud and his friends.

>>31732845
>inalienable rights
You don't have an inalienable right to drive without a license.
You don't have an inalienable right to live in this country and use all of its services, protection, and infrastructure while not paying taxes.
This is America, love it or leave it (as in get the fuck out, not 'keep living here but claim you're not a citizen because muh maritime law).

>>31732795
>HELP HELP I DO NOT CONSENT HELP CALL THE POLICE
>Sir, we are the police.

>>31732795
What happens to people to make them hate authority so much? Is it just stupidity?

>>31732784
I got you, brother.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3zHRQn_IShw

>>31732984
It's a combination of gullibility and needing someone else to blame for how your life hasn't lived up to your own expectations. It's a common theme throughout much of the alt-right.

>>31733023
das it mane

One of the few videos I legit feel bad for the cop.

>>31729392
>stupid /pol/ack in Germoney shot at the police because he swears allegiance to the 3rd Reich
>hur dur they have merit
Their "merit" doesn't change how this is going to be used to push for more gun control. Nice going, fucktards.

>>31732984
I blame parents not hitting their kids.

>>31729731
Thats right. I guess we can't own guns anymore and can't prevent cops from into our houses with no warrant. Afterall, we lost those freedoms long ago. Guess we're all felons.

>Hillary will use this as evidence when she becomes President to mete out stronger gun control

All according to plan.

There are more guns than people in America. How would the government confiscate them all?

>knock knock
>who?
>It's the police! Give us your guns!
Are you a bad enough dude?

>>31733260
>I k-know I told you all that Obummer was going to take our guns, b-but I'm 100% positive that Hillary's actually going to do it this time, guys. Y-you gotta believe me.

>>31732494
I don't know if what you wrote makes sense to you, it certainly doesn't make sense to me.

If you ever happen to grow just a little beyond the memes you seem to think are a political opinion, we can certainly talk again. I called myself a leftist years ago, but certainly aren't anymore. Both far left as well as the paranoid and scared rhetoric you spout are a mystery to me.
They're ideologies stuck in the early last century.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that someone who's so far off society's fringe is just an idiot. An idiot who should be armed.
And by shooting at police and killing one of them you certainly don't make yourself look more sane

>>31733303
This, it takes an act of congress for anything she might want to have teeth, and even if both houses get taken by the Democrats any gun control would be career suicide right now. Especially with how it's really easy for an AWB2.0 to be killed by experts coming up and showing the first did jack shit besides making what was banned super popular out of taboo.

>>31733141
On what planet is this going to lead to any more fun control?!
First, there is hardly any place with tougher gun control than Germany. Second, if you're worried about US gun control it doesn't matter because ONE guys killing ONE other guy in GERMANY will have zero impact on the US. Especially with all the gun violence there.

It's one thing to be concerned about gun violence. It's another to see the devil around every corner because the media make more money is they hype everything up to eleven. Remember when Obama took away all guns in America. When there were special Obama SS going door to door disarming and oppressing everyone?
That was horrible!

>30 guns
Probably had more money in guns than I'll make in cash through out my entire life.

>>31733375
>First, there is hardly any place with tougher gun control than Germany
That doesn't mean the laws there can't get much worse.

>US gun control
How is that relevant?

>>31729703
Not if they use government provided benefits, with out paying.

The cost of police/fire/roads/education ect. Is your obedience and tax dollars

>>31733416
>How is that relevant?

That was his point.

Did you even read what he wrote?

>>31733340
SCOTUS, nigga

>>31733535
Yeah, I was going to add in some stuff about the recent decisions making those harder, but that was kind of redundant on top of the obstacles they've already got.

>Inb4 paranoia about the choices
>Implying the Republican Congress hasn't been going blatantly against the constitution by refusing to allow Obama to even present a judge for them to refuse

>>31732612
Japan being a country, Europe a continent.
What I think you mean is that Japan is facing similar issues as the richer few EU (not just European) countries face. Those issues are lack of high skill blue collar workers (think anything engineer) as well as lack of low skill blue collar workers (think anyone working as laborers, technicians or being on some other way subordinates to engineers). Also lots and lots of geriatric nurses...

And if the indigenous population doesn't provide those, which is the case both in Germany and Japan, two things can happen. Either industry fucks off to where the manpower is or the government's entice immigration of the needed workers.
Both are also the case in Germany, as well as glorious Nippon.
Some bigger companies start moving their high level production and R'n'D to other countries but also, if you have specific qualifications it's super easy to move to Germany and even to Japan.

Good to see not all german men were thrown away in ww1/2

>>31733559
Japan is pretty xenophobic though, so I dunno why anyone would move there

For all the shit white people get, Asians are even more racist

>>31733570
Eh, as long as they properly integrate (in most cases starting as short term English teachers and them moving into jobs that are hard to fill, like native English translators) they don't have issue. It's not so much blatant racism as complete lack of exposure. Most of the island doesn't even vacation more than 20 miles from home.

>>31733535
This would only be a compelling argument if one were to believe that a Trump appointee would be in any way better than a Clinton appointee, and that's a leap I'm not willing to make.

>>31733621
I'm not saying Trump would be better for SCOTUS. On the contrary, he would be a threat to the entire fabric of our republic.

Just pointing out that, with Hillary in control of SCOTUS, I'm not entirely sure Congress could stop her from enacting whatever gun agenda she has planned.

I'm not even sure what kind of Congress we'll be looking at when she takes office.

>>31729392
>Things k will never do: the post
Very few will fight back. This man was one of them.
God speed German anon

>>31733567
Does you mom know you are posting on 4chan instead of doing your homework?

>>31733636
>I'm not entirely sure Congress could stop her from enacting whatever gun agenda she has planned.
You've got it backwards, she can't do anything without Congress granting her that power. Executive Orders only have teeth if the Constitution grants the president that power explicitly or Congress delegates it.

>>31733636
>I'm not even sure what kind of Congress we'll be looking at when she takes office.

Likely split, with a Democrat Senate and Republican House.

>>31733660
And what if she takes things to SCOTUS? What will her newly formed majority decide? That is my concern.

>>31733603
The main thing is Japanese realise that living in Japan and being a 'citizen' isn't what makes you Japanese. It's a cultural thing that seems almost universal, and I think it's a good thing, because foreigners turning up there should feel foreign until their kids and their kids' kids look and act the part. Signing papers doesn't make someone assimilate. If only more western cultures understood that.

>>31731205
I think I read somewhere that one of the guns used was lost in fast and furious.

>>31733416
>That doesn't mean the laws there can't get much worse.

That's like you're not having any food but being worried about how someone could steal your spoon....

German gun control is so harsh that to be legally allowed to own one you must have a valid reason, which is either
>You're a police officer
>You're a registered game hunter (can only own specific, mostly bolt action weapons)
>You're a sports shooter in a registered club
>You're collecting historic firearms or part of some effort to preserve glorious German culture (usually these guns then aren't aloud to be shot)

Beyond that you have to always be part of a registered shooting club where you're gun will be stored. Beyond that you also have to have a minimum range time to even get the license to own a gun. There's an annual minimum range time to keep that license. You also have to always provide the police access to your guns, which they will inspect at will without prior notice. Guns mustn't be stored together with ammunition. Guns can't be transported loaded or even in the same case as ammunition. Guns must be transported in looked containers. Guns must be stored in looked safes. You can can never legally carry a gun, not even unloaded.

Oh, but don't be upset. The law actually also states that if you aren't any of the above you may still get your license if you have good reason to own a gun.
>Self defense isn't a good enough reason
>Recreational shooting isn't a good enough reason
The last thing is literally only there for secret service members or undercover cops.

Oh, and did I tell you that guns costs as much as in the US...
>if you'd bought two but just got one
Ammo is more expensive too, because the demand for it is so small.

>But sure, yeah... It could be worse...
>Instead of making it nigh on impossible to own guns, they could of course still make it illegal in general...

>>31730448
>fighting fascism
>by employing fascist measures to restrict and punish people for thoughtcrimes and unpopular opinions
Do Germancucks seriously not see the fucking irony of this shit? I mean you literally have an agency that controls German speech online, spearheaded by a former STASI agent, do you fucking idiots literally have no hindsight?

This shit was not long ago, surely you must understand and remember why this was fucking bad and considered human rights abuse? Are Germans just wired differently from normal people?

>>31733788
Germany is hell

>>31730443
Reichsburger spotted.

>>31730589
Freedom to oppress? How is having an offensive opinion oppressing anyone?

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>>31730443
No. Just no.

>>31733970
Because MUH FEELS

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>>31729697
>>31729721
So basically this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkIKVxwdzRw

>>31732494
>declares a naziboo to be an honorary american citizen
>and then rants about jews
Gee, I wonder who could have made this post.

>>31733848
It certainly is when it comes to gun control...
In most other regards it's pretty eh...

>>31733831
You're certainly right about the irony. Europe always had tougher gun control than the US but the current state in Germany really is extreme. Weirdly though some of it is also due to the liberation by the Allies (not that that wasn't a good thing).
When a new government had to be formed, someone had to figure out how create a working independent nation that also was somehow proof from falling into demagoguery and totalitarianism again.
And nobody quite knew yet just how Nazi the general population really was. Consequently they also didn't know whether it would be smart to have them have guns. Especially in a still occupied country you really didn't want to have a population silently arming itself and possibly forming militias when you hardly knew how they ticked.
So they went the safe route of no guns. And then it turned out that the general population really wasn't too Nazi except for a (still pretty sizeable) stock of active party members and elites.
Also the population didn't give a shit about it at the time either. Germany, as well as much of Europe had just been fucked to death by a horrible war and pretty egregious bombing campaigns.

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>>31734064
who indeed...

>>31733788
>>31733848
Last I checked they have a higher rate of gun ownership and their laws are looser than Britbong land, and yes it most certainly can get worse than that. Remember, there are countries where the most powerful projectile launchers you can legally own are brightly colored foam dart guns because pellet guns and even airsoft guns are illegal. Hell I remember reading a while back (don't remember what country) about a push to ban toy guns and laser tag because people could possibly train to go on a shooting spree with them.

>>31730574
>>>/reddit/

>>31733731
>we should work to exclude people from society more
>until they assimilate
Your beliefs might be a little counter-productive to your stated goals.

Though in my experience, and I apologize if I am mistaken in your case, people just use the above as an excuse to set 'the bar' higher for foreigners.

>>31733731
Japan is not a civic nation

Speaking the language, becoming a citizen, and adopting the culture won't make someone Japanese; they still lack the ethnicity

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>>31729392
>*Reichsbürger are the German equivalent of US Sovereign Citizens, essentially.

Intriguing. I would have assumed that it was German for "Americanized German".

>>31730443
Jesus, where to start with this...
'Volksverhetzung' is actually a legal term in use today and very different from what it used to be during the Third Reich.
There is also the 'freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung', which you could vaguely translate to 'liberal and democratic constitutional order'. That's a fancy way of speaking of the German 'Constitution'. Now, there is a often used phrasing that states that a person or act might be a 'threat' to that 'democratic order' which really is the German way of saying something is unconstitutional.

Now, since you're obviously an expert Germany this will not be new to you but here's a refresher anyways. Germany doesn't have a constitution quite like the US. Instead it has something called 'Grundgesetz', roughly translating to 'base law'. This document is written in close similarity to the definitions of the general human rights but goes beyond that to explain how a democratic nation is formed based on those rights, how the branches of government are defined and what positions there are in it and so on and so forth...

The beauty of that document is how it actually bases it's laws on basic human rights. And an offense like 'Volksverhetzung' is pretty serious, because it means someone goes beyond expressing an opinion and shows intend to damage those rights of others with his actions. For example by planning and recruiting to overthrow the government or by denying others their rights.

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>>31734406
> people just use the above as an excuse to set 'the bar' higher for foreigners.
Its not a fucking excuse, if you want to live in a country to have to become one of those countrymen. Its something you have to actually work at, and if you're not trying you should get your ass shunned. My nation isnt a welfare dispensary for third worlders.

>>31734540
And to think Teddy started the "Progressive" Party.

>>31729392
I'm surprised a person of that inclination could last so long in modern Germany, crazies can flourish in the U.S. because most of them don't ever cross law enforcement and they're so far out in the boonies they don't really bother anyone. In Merkel's Germany I don't know how this guy slipped through the cracks, and with guns no less.

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>>31734480
Reich - Kingdom/Empire.
Burg - Castle
Burger - Citizen
So in the context it means "Citizen of the Empire." Specifically the 3rd Reich in this case.

The American word comes from the mincemeat steak specialty from the town of Hamburg, as it became the style for every town to have a signature food item named after it. So from Frankfurt - frankfurters, a smooth-textured sausage. Berlin - Berliners, a type of donut. No, Kennedy did not really say "I am a donut", he was still technically correct within the context that he was expressing solidarity and not claiming residence.

Yes, German is a bit of a bitch of a language.

>>31731045
you are the worst kind of cancer. fuck off.

>>31734658
>6 hour late reply
I guess you don't have much better to do.

>>31734406
It's not about deliberately excluding them per se. A lot of people come out of Japan criticising the blatant racism without realising how nuanced Japanese culture, language and behaviour is, and that Japanese culture IS different to your culture and shouldn't have to be the same, nor be acceptable to you, just as there is no demand from them about your culture. If people want to be Japanese they must really invest themselves in it. Half-assed efforts will get you nowhere. The same should be true of all cultural assimilation. Otherwise you get issues with the retention of unacceptable cultural and religious beliefs manifesting in what should be a homogenous and harmonious society. Just have to look at how muslims behave in Western countries in the present day to see the foolishness of false assimilation.

>>31734130
Brits may have it slightly worse but the point of >>31733788 is that in a country in which it's very nearly impossible to own guns stricter gun control would hardly be a punishment for anyone. Especially when there really isn't a way of doing so for the two most likely reasons one would want to own one. For fun and for self defense. There is a gun scene but it's ridiculously tiny. And if you're not super hardcore about shooting sports or game hunting AND also have lot of both money and time to spare, it's impossible.

To compare imagine this: according to German law probably 95% to 97% of US gun owners (which is already niche) would not be able to legally own guns. Not enough regular range time. Too expensive. And no good enough cause.
At that point guns are de-facto outlawed. Any more gun control isn't going to be too bad. There are just too few people being hurt by it.

It's like making the possession of a specific drug illegal but then also adding another specific penalty for consuming it in buildings taller then 7 stories.

>>31734638
The picture is wrong... Dative plural form isn't 'den', it's 'denen'
It's a comment mistake but 'den' identifies things as singular, so if you get it wrong you sound like an idiot who can't count

Also 'Reich' only isn't empire or kingdom. Empire is simply 'Imperium' and kingdom translates to 'Königreich'. As you can see the latter ends in 'Reich' too. That's not a coincidence, as 'Reich' more accurately translates to 'dominion (of)'

>>31734887
Did you manage to miss where I pointed out how the situation is orders of magnitude worse in other countries where you can't even own air guns easily?

>>31735017
You're just proving my last sentence. But the point came across, right?

>>31731163
Which IVAN? The one that was actually entertaining and thought to be good(who seems to have fucked off completely, which sucks), the shitty Ivan that wishes he were IVAN, or the Ivan that comes to mind for those of US that grew up before the wall came down