The bolt action to rule them all.

>>31712122
side charging ar with the gas system disabled
essentially a straight pull

>>31712122
Mauser bolt and Mosin aesthetic. For some damn reason i love the way the stock looks on those bastards. Bigger capacity like an enfield. Something .30 cal.

>>31712148
Did they even have enough aluminum at the time? An all steel/wood AR would be beautiful though. Can't imagine the 5.56 argument would pass for the time period though.

>>31712317
Not even close, worldwide production of aluminum during WW2 was hardly enough to keep up with demand

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>invent AKM
>make armor-piercing ammo
>make 154gr soft-point ammo
>invent Level IV chest plates
>invent B-2 stealth bomber
>give everything to Hitler

>>31712351
you could make it out of steel only thing that would change is weight. you dont need the buffer tube which simplifies things.

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No limitations on design and budget?

I'd start designing and manufacturing first AK rifles. Potentially very Vepr-style ones.
Semi auto would be fine, and I'd probably go with the common .30cal rifle ammunitions of the era just for the heck of it.

Maybe would even make some shorty ammo for dat real assault-rifle style and feel.

>>31712372
>>31712403
You clowns better have a plan B. Hand fitting all those complex machining steps is going to take ages. You might have a few hundred rifles by the time you get france'd

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just saying

>>31712554
We're gonna use time machines to transport already-made guns back in time 'Guns of The South' style.

>>31712122
Modify the Garand design to accept BAR magazines, submit that for testing.

Push for the M1919 to be fitted with a stock on the back and a lighter reciever, to be used by a single man with others carrying ammunition for him, two belts a man. Given that they all use .30-06, should the MG be damaged, infantrymen can take the .30-06 out of the belts and load it into their rifle magazines.

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Make this and call it a day.

Otherwise just lease Amerishit to fill in the gaps.

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>>31712646
Walking fire with a 1919 will require the manliest of men. I'm not sure why you wouldn't just beef up the BAR. Even if you magic the receiver to be lighter, thats some serious steel.

Mauser 98 action
Detachable box magazines
30-06
>need i say any more?

>>31712718
I bet you want the british socket bayonets, the italian v notch sights, and french cleaning kit.

Such terrible taste anon.

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>>31712122
No need, it's perfect as is.

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>>31712706

It's not that hard to belt feed a BAR either, there was at least one version produce immediately post war. Can't remember what country used it.

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>>31712122

Lol. Just spam AKM.

>>31713041
>no safety, have to isreali carry it everywhere
>Wood forend not removeable soldier level becasue muh delicate resonance
>No cleaning rod to clear stuck cases inna trench
>cleaning kit in general was awful

Its a beautiful rifle, and one of the few to use a peep sight. But its far form perfect.

>>31712122

Make SKS with a reliable removable magazine or at least fit them all with the chink 20 round magazines.

Shouldn't be too hard.

If not that, try to get the FN49 completed and fielded ASAP. Failing even THAT, the No.4 Enfield but chambered in .30-06.

>>31712122
>3 years shy of the K31's adoption
fug

>>31713171
>Needing a safety
>Trusting dumbass 18 year olds to not fuck with the rifles 0
You got me on the cleaning rod but many rifles of the time had rods too short for such a task as well.

>>31712122

M O S I N

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>>31712122
>Given your 20/20 hindsight from the future, what parts of rifles do you pillage to arm your stronk nation of Kommandostan?
I build a bunch of these

>>31713041
Horribly ugly and shit, just like you and your posts. Kill yourself??

I mean just build aks fugg it right

>>31713998
Bad taste detected

Warning: poster probably likes plastic stocks and no iron sights

>>31713171
>>No cleaning rod to clear stuck cases inna trench
How many guns that you can store the cleaning rod on have one long enough to punch out stuck cases? I'm pretty sure the one on my nugget isn't long enough unless you put the extension from the cleaning kit on it at which point you can't store it in the stock.

>>31712122
>WW2 is on the horizon and you're in charge of the small arms development team.
Abandon bolt actions except snipers rifles. Produce SMGs and MGs only. Bolt action was mistake.
USA difficulty: make 6mm assault rifle based on M1 carbine.

>>31714132
The tip is part of the rod, it literally takes 3 seconds to put on, anon. Its certainly better than just going home and quiting mid war.

But to answer your question.

>Mosin, all varients
>M1 garand, sections stored in buttstock
>1903, same as garand
>K98k
>Arisakas, until last ditch
>Carcano, rods held in butt, and solid rods on some models.
>Every other mauser varients not named 1903

Everyone else was largly fucked if they didnt have a knife skinny enough to reach the rim, or double fucked if they had a rimless cartridge.

Enfields had a pull through
Mas36 pull through
Steyr m95 had a >single< squad issued cleaning rod for barracks use and it came post war.

>>31714243
Every nation wanted to arm with machine and sub machine guns. Theyre simply too time and material intensive to replace and manufacture for an entire army. Besides full auto is only usful for suppressive fire amiright #repealtheNFA

>>31714457
>Every nation wanted to arm with machine and sub machine guns
Ehh? What nation did have plans to replace bolt actions rifle with SMGs prior to WW2?

> Theyre simply too time and material intensive to replace and manufacture for an entire army.
SMGs were cheaper for Germany or Britain than their bolt actions.
>inb4 Thompson mistake.

I wouldn't change a thing because small arms don't win wars

>>31714528
Well pre war nobody, by the end of the war america alone was nearly giving everybody a BAR and the m1 was everywhere with m2 carbines following behind with Thompson's and grease guns doing their thing right behind


I don't think anyone (on k) would argue against the stg44, Germany was braindead not to produce them in bulk over tge k98k, but hindsight

Japan was probably the stupidest of the lot though, they didn't even think about a smg til mid war and only made small numbers.

>>31714389
>The tip is part of the rod
No, it's not. The cleaning rod on the Mosin Nagant is threaded at the end and you have to attach a separate tip from your cleaning kit for it to reach the chamber. Getting the tip out of your cleaning kit and avoiding losing the other small parts in the process is definitely going take more than a few seconds.

>Its certainly better than just going home and quiting mid war.
Or you could just use something you improvised for the purpose, possibly attached to the side of your gun where you could actually store something long enough to reach the chamber that would allow you to get your gun into action quickly instead of needing to assemble a cleaning rod (honestly I'd want to go this route even if my gun did have a regular cleaning rod).

>>31713374
but first you need the facilities to enrich uranium

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If we are talking bolt-guns, as OP stated in the title:

>Mauser action
>Straight bolt instead of bent in order to maximixe efficiency for left-handed people
>10 round internal mag, ala the Enfield
>Load via 10 round stripper clips instead of two 5 rounders, to keep the reload speed roughly the same
>.30-06
>Fixed front sight
>Rear sight adjustable for windage and elevation
>Integrated scope mount with simple red-dot style sight (wind-up power because batteries are fuckhuge in 1930)
>Overall length of 42 inches

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>>31714733
>Or you could just use something you improvised for the purpose
.... like a cleaning rod with the tip on it? You know the tip and rod fit into the hole right.


Even then having to dig out a tip from a bag you should have on you and know intimately is leages better than not having a rifle that works because your nation gave you a fucking boresnake

>>31712122
>Based on M1917 Enfield
>6.5 Carcano in a 140gr FMJBT load
>10-round stripper clips, 10 round magazine
>20-inch barrel with flash hider
>G3-style diopter sights
>K43-inspired scope rail

>>31712554
The machining wasn't that complex for the original AK47. The only challenging part would be milling the receiver, which was easily in reach of 30's tech. Keep in mind, they were building piston driven semi autos in full size rifle rounds, so the gas system is easily doable

>>31713041
Wow
it's like a Mauser 1898, except made decades later and not as good
a triumph of engineering

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>>31714975
>6.5 Carcano

You could of said any other 6.5 but you chose that one.
Not 6.5 swede.
Not 6.5 grendal or creedmore
6.5 spaghetti

>>31715249
6.5 spaghetti is milder shooting, which works out better for a light, handy carbine

>>31714842
Wind-up red dot. Hahahaha I'd like to see that

>>31712678
so is it a straight pull bolt?

>>31712122
Well then

Knowing that the 1927A1 was already released, a fuckload of them get made for the troops (possibly to be replaced by the M3)
Re-manufacture of the M1903A3 mk1 and Pedersen device
Actually manufacture the DeLisle for infiltration troops (it was a frankengun anyway)
Many anons have mentioned the garand, so ramp up production there

And here we have 4 guns with 5 purposes and 3 kinds of ammo. It simplifies a lot of shit, satisfied my fetish of unicorn guns, and kept materials of the day.

>>31714584
this tbqhwyf

>>31715546
6.5 spaghetti a shit
Wilson combet making new 6.5 linguini master race

>>31712564
really fires up your neurons

>>31712122
Try to license production of the Pedersen rifle.

>>31715047
Oooo the Mauser 98! Sure hope I don't break a firing pin! Tangent sights AND a shallow V notch? Hot damn, how could sights get any shittier! Mud in the magazine? Not a problem! It will only take 45 minutes to take apart!

It's a 3 way tie for most overrated rifle ever between the Mauser 98, the M1 Garand, and the K31.

>>31712122
Why on Earth would I make a bolt action? As previously stated, the AK could have been mass produced in 1930, as could dozens of other autoloading firearms. I'd also create an all-steel Glock 17 to go with my AK. When I'm done with that, I'd invent transistors and integrated circuits.

>>31712646
>Modify the Garand design to accept BAR magazines, submit that for testing.

That was Garand's original plan, and they said get fucked. Plus carrying 20 round .30-06 mags is fucking stupid and too heavy for everyone to deal with.

>>31713193
>>3 years shy of the K31's adoption
>Muh one shot one kill accuracy from an awkward bench rifle that takes a ton of fucking time and materials to manufacture is somehow gonna save the day

You K31 fanboys are worse than the Mosin fanboys ever were.

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>>31712122
Most of you faggots are so bad at this shit, seriously.

Gerat 06H is God-tier for WWII-era small arms.

>>31716310
Your memes are shit, you should know that.

>>31712122
I would have the USSR make better Mosin-Nagants

Make them more accurate, use better quality barrels, have less reliance on bayonets

Bayonets deserve to go in the trash

Hey /k/, I'm looking to get a bolt action because I think they're cool as heck, but I'd also like it to double as a self defense weapon.

Anyone know any good bolt action rifles that pack a punch? And what would a reasonable price range be? Are Mosins still a good idea or are they too expensive to be worth it?

>>31712564
>cuts off gas tube
Okay

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>>31712122
I just make the SKS
>Cheap
>Simple
>Reliable
>Intermediate cartridge
What's not to love?

>>31716797
>tfw no sks

>>31716645

So go full Finland. Honestly one of the best choices here, aside from just making AKs, because fuck it if the luger was doable for decades, the AK sure as shit is.

>>31716645
>Bayonets deserve to go in the trash>>
bayonets are neat though

>>31716645
Bayonets make a lot of sense when you got guys with bolt actions everywhere.

>>31716803
The problem with Lugers were they were always relatively expensive, and they were finicky with ammo. Liked hot, consistent ammo, which for the early 1900s wasn't always a given, with a lot of European state-run arsenals.

>>31716733

>but I'd also like it to double as a self defense weapon.
This is a dumb idea for shitloads of reasons. It will work, but it's fucking dumb. Get a pistol or an AR.

>Anyone know any good bolt action rifles that pack a punch?
See, pretty much all of them do. For surplus, literally every surplus rifle is chambered for a full power rifle cartridge. They'll all kill any animal that walks this earth, 7.62x54, 30'06, 8mm, it doesn't fucking matter it can and has taken everything from man to bear to elephant. For modern production, literally anyone you'd consider makes their rifles in a caliber that "packs a punch".

Do not get a Mosin. The price on the rifles is as high as new production rifles these days, and the ammo costs as much as .308.

My suggest is get a modern, new production .308 rifle from whatever brand makes your peepee hard. Since you brought up Mosin's I'm assuming you're a poorfag, Savage's Axis is a good pick. $350 gets you a brand new gun with scope.

>>31716733
You have to be over 18 to post on this site

>>31715587
Windup like an old wristwatch I guess? Just give it a few cranks when you have a chance and store the charge in a capacitor, maybe from radio parts

>>31712554
>Hand fitting all those complex machining steps is going to take ages
You clearly have no idea what kind of machining technology was available in the 30's, do you? If you can mass produce something as complicated as a Luger, you can mass produce an AKM. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to make one. You'd need a lathe, mill, and gun drill. All of which existed in the 30's.

>>31716499
Huh. Learn something new every day.

>>31716882
I'm 19 so we're all good

>>31716872
Thank you anon that helps a lot

>>31712122
rifle? AK-47

other weapons? RPD, PK and Panzerfaust

Gyrojets. Gyrojets for EVERYONE.

>>31712122
>build sks like semi auto
>adopt and produce fuckloads of cheap smgs something in the sterling, sten, grease gun vein
>focus on radio communication and squad composition
>use my sway to advocate combined arms from the get go
>ignore anti-tank rifles knowing they will become obsolete soon and instead focus on grenades, panzerfausts
>begin assualt rifle development
>cut amount of lmg's and hmg's as smgs and assault rifles help fill some of the uses
>addition of knee mortars to groups to supplement firepower and help cover retreats/area denial
>sell a lot of the old stock to allied nations, use rest for home defence

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>>31716482
lol, he's mad.

Best rifle ever made. Period.

>>31716360
I'm guessing you brought weed with you is it?

>>31716482
>bench rifle
>swiss dont have benches in their ranges

>>31714389
K98ks, like Norwegian Krags, need 3 rods to make 1 barrel length one. KYS.

>>31712706
You say that but you literally posted an image of a lighter version of the 1919. That's the ANM2 aicraft version. Lighter barrel, lighter overall weight and a higher rate of fire than the 1919.

SMLE MK III + AR style mag release so changing mags is actually feasable

>>31719047
Its still heavy as hell, anon. Would you really want to drag that through no man's land or d-day? It works for aircrews, but airplanes don't trench warfare very well

>>31719268
1. The anm2 was used in a modified version by marines for the invasion of Iwo Jima. 2. The 1919 weighed 31 pounds, the anm2 only weighed 23 pounds. To compare, the modern m240bravo weighs 27 pounds and the 240g that ground units use is 25 pounds.
While there are things that limit it's use like having to be modified for field use, the incredidle rate of fire for a barrel meant to be cooled by airspeed and lacking a quick change system. But it existed in the 30's and was available during world war 2.

>>31717903
Where did you get the leather cheek pad. I dont have a k31 yet but damn that is sexy.

>>31715684
Pretty sure it's a modded sks

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>>31712564

That was cool;

>>31718683
You know what I meant, autist.

>>31717903
Says the Swissfag.

AKM and AK-74
leave my country of shitposting and move to the US, and sell the design

I don't really make guns, but I don't see how an AK would be harder to make with the materials they have than a bolt action rifle.

>>31716733
>Mosin as a self/home defence
It should be quite obvious why this wouldnt work unless you made it an obrez.

>>31714842
Why not have it take exchangeable mags instead of internal+strippers? That way you dont need to dick dance around with strippers in combat.

>>31712374
>you dont need the buffer tube which simplifies things.
NOGUNSGETOUTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

>>31720008
Czechmauseritis. Some American dude that makes them.

Took me a while to get it from the USA into Switzerland.

>>31720133
It's the truth man.

>>31713076
Sweden.

Also the entire Western world with the FN MAG.

Straight pull bolt 10 round detachable magazine carbine

>>31720369
Thanks man. Damn k32s got expensove in the us, i thought they were like 450, not 700

FG-42

>>31720190
>AKM and AK-74
doubtfull whether the stamping techiques were advanced enough to make those (then again if you brought samples with you, *maybe* the techniques could be reverse-engineered and reproduced)

>>31720711
They sure were in Germany. That's how the Soviets who made milled actual AKs with basically ww2 technology got to the AKM.. They threw german engineers at it.

>>31720711
if the commies can do it with ww2 technology, why can't americans?

>>31721161
not sure what you mean, Soviets had trouble with the early AK-47s which were stamped & would apparently come apart as the techniques used in the construction were lacking, this led to a switch into milled receivers & it wasn't until late '50s that Soviets could come up with a stamping technique that worked, that's over a decade of trying to figure out how to make AKs with stamped receivers.

>>31721266
I'm saying the soviets were less competent than Americans, so they would probably be able to make them in the 30s if soviets could in the 40s

>>31721533
the thing is, Soviets *weren't* able to produce AKM in '40s, they could hardly master the stamping technique required by the end of '50s, milled AK-47 (introduced in 1954 as I recall) would be completely another thing as Soviets used the same machinery they had used to make Mosin receivers to make milled AK receivers, as for "Americans would certainly have been able to do anything Soviets did", it took me a while to figure out why you even brought up USA in the first place; if you look back to the quote about AKM and AK-74, you'll notice that the quote consists of three words: "AKM", "and" and "AK-74", nowhere do I mention USA, I am exclusively talking about producing weapons designed in late '50s and early '70s using '30s technology, Germany was certainly ahead of everyone else when it came to stamping techniques, if the AKM's stamping technique was truly something German engineers captured at the end of WWII came up with, the fact that it took them until late '50s to make a stamped AK work, then there's no way that any country would have had advanced enough stamping techniques in '30s to produce AKMs.

>>31720309
>not using it as a spear

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>>31721623
and given 11 years, I'm sure Americans could figure out how to make recievers in a similar amount of time Soviets did.

my original post was
>AKM and AK-74, leave my country of shitposting and move to the US, and sell the design

>>31712564
I remember this, it was from that animorphs thread on here

>>31716310
A firing pin
>ever breaking in a mauser 98

You are literally the worst trip around here, how I hate seeing you populate the milsurp threads.

That aside, let me just adjust my windage...oh crap need to get a different one.

The magazine isn't difficult to take apart either. You have to be a literal slack jawed retard not to know how to do it.

Safeties will always have their place in military weapons.