China thread

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>>31709290

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>>31709293

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>>31709300

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>>31709308

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>>31709314

The bow-module of the Type 055 has also been revealed.

It will feature significant stealth shaping, such as an enclosed deck.

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>>31709338

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>>31709345
progress of Oct 17th.

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More J-20s with open bays

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>>31709390

>>31709290
When do they get a new engine scheme?

>>31709308
TWO flying together

I've never seen that

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>>31709435
According to the leader of 毛发党, the WS-15 has just finished the ground testing, and it is ready to pass the test on the IL-76 platform. Compared to other engines that went through this stage, I'd say the WS-15 needs 3-4 years of further flight testing.

While the current J-20A uses the AL-31FM2, a special customized edition of the AL-31, also a joint development between China and Salut, just like the GT25000.
BTW, the revealing specs of the WS-15 seems to be surprising, it looks that China is aiming for a 180KN and TWR 11 high specs fifth gen turbofan jet engine.

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>>31709452
Video:
https://twitter.com/OedoSoldier/status/788023438061568002


Also; x4 drop tanks confirmed.

>>31709338
Now this is something I want to see more of.

If they can get it right, they'll have a true Burke-like class.

>>31709390
Do they have side bays?

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>>31709490
Somewhat larger photo.

The bow looks quite "cruiser"-like IMHO.

>>31709461
Why not just jointly work with the Ruskies on a better engine variant of the Al-31?

Chinese money + Russian skill/experience would be amazing.
Political differences?

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>>31709500
yes

>>31709481
There goes the "no pylons" and "no drop tanks" criticism.

>>31709507
Reminds me of the new Type 45 Daring class.

>>31709522
Now they need some decent AWACS and refuelers.

Why not buy some Russian stuff in the meantime? That's where China is the weakest: these niche areas that are crucial.

>>31709520
Different requirements and also China wants to export fighters with that engine.

A co-development with Russia would only allow China to use the engines themselves, but not use them inside export fighters.

Also, I can't help but think that China could create a shortened J-20 variant for carrier operations.

Just shorten the cargo bays and lower the fuel storage. Use drop tanks instead.

A shortened J-20 with two engined would standardize fighter maintenance among the forces and give the PLAN the stealth they need against Japan/US.

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>>31709571
Chances for that are actually good, since CAC won the bid for the carrier stealth fighter, knocking out SAC's J-31.

And it is said that they are working on a carrierborne J-20 of some sort.

>>31709543
But China dislikes exporting its top stuff in general. They are very different than America's "export to all close allies" policy.

If China could sell a monkey model variant to Thailand/Pakistan/Indonesia, they'd rake in the dough while also keeping an edge/hiding some secrets.

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Zhuhai 2016 Airshow:

J-10B
J-20
Y-20

probably will be present.

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>>31709610
The new light tank will be offered for export.

Designated VT-5

>>31709595
>inward pointing

Kek

Well, maybe the Chinese should pick up the pace of their J-20 building. Neighbors respect force.

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>>31709629
The first Chinese tank with side-mounted armour-blocks.

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>>31709642
105mm gun.

I think China should work more with Russia in the research field.

A J-20 with actually decent engines/missiles would be approaching the Jap/Korean F-35's.

>>31709540
China already bought Russian IL-78 refuellers for that matter. AWACS-wise, China already has a big fleet of diverse AWACS.

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>>31709651
ZTZ-96B as well.

Now with RWS.

>>31709642
Who makes this?

What are China's biggest advantages in its MIC? Biggest problems?

>>31709665
Not enough IMO. They need to make the Y-20 refueling variant.

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>>31709680

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>>31709682
NORINCO

Biggest advantage: Unified logistics and state-control over everything which makes R&D faster

Biggest weakness: Too many conservatives who dont want anything that isnt "proven" (ie. obsolete). Also political infighting that sometimes kills good ideas and results to cost overruns.

>>31709689

The VT-4/MBT-3000 will also be present.

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>>31709711
SR-5 Air Defense Gun/Missile system.

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>>31709720
Gun is apparently a 35mm revolver-cannon with AHEAD capability.

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>>31709726
Missile-only variant.

Missiles should be a version of the TY-90

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>>31709733
PGZ-07 dual 35mm SPAAG.

Weird to see an in-service type being offered for export.

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>>31709751
IFV with 35mm revolver-gun.

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>>31709761
122mm wheeled howitzer

>>31709711
>Biggest weakness: Too many conservatives who dont want anything that isnt "proven" (ie. obsolete). Also political infighting that sometimes kills good ideas and results to cost overruns.

Yep

Similar to the US at times tbf

>>31709768
That is my fetish

>>31709290
Pretty cool, it gives it some personality and doesn't just look like a F-22 copy

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All three tanks

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>>31709915
PLZ-05 Howitzer

>>31709911
Yeah

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>>31709507
I wonder how close we will get to this CG.

The enclosed deck should be confirmed. Next would be the real VLS number... Whether 128 or 112 cells.

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A bunch of fresh Soaring Dragon drones spotted.

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>>31711077

Is China less restricted than America when designing their military weapons and vehicles?

China is not part of an alliance like NATO. They don't have to standardise their equipment for the sake of other countries. They can choose their own assault rifle caliber, their own jets and missiles. Maybe that's why the J20 is being developed faster than the f35.

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>>31711088

>>31711100
I don't think you understand how it works. We don't standardize for NATO. Everyone else standardizes for us.

The F-35 dragged out for as long as it did not because we were meeting foreign countries' requirements too, but because we decided to mature a ton of technologies with the fighter for a better long-term investment.

>>31711077
Probably fake. They appear to make of Popsicle sticks.

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>>31711394
Well, these things are long rumored to get into LRIP soon anyway.

The PLAN really wants their dedicated EW drones.

>>31709726
>>31709720
i am assuming similair to the german "mantis" system?

>>31709751
>hello gepard my old friend...

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>>31711468
Said to be kinda like the Sky Ranger system, only with SAMs.

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/skyranger.htm

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>>31711494
Whose centerpiece is a 35mm Oerlikon revolver-gun with at least 1000rd/s.

China has acquired the Oerlikon gun licence in the 90s, but only for the non-AHEAD capable guns. Ever since the PGZ-07 SPAAG, they seem to have produced their own AHEAD upgrades for them.

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>>31711518
>1000rd/s

I meant 1000rpm

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>>31711555
The 76mm SA-2 AA-gun will also appear this time.

It also features AHEAD-styled airburst rounds.

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>>31711576

>>31709605
isnt that the whole point of the f-35 ripoff

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Fucking beautiful

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>>31714342
Weapon bays.

No pylons in there yet. But this also would confirm that they could just as well put as many pylons in there as they please, which would disprove that they are limited with 4 BVRAAMs total.

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>>31714365
More. Those bays look deep.

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>>31714383

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>>31714408

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People laughed about me when I posted this CG picture here seven years ago, saying that China can never make a stealth fighter...

>>31714534
and here it is, 7 years later and they still havnt made a stealth fighter

>>31714383
For you.

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>>31714534
Depending on the leaker, CGs modeled after their leaks and informations are usually to be taken seriously.

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>>31714365
Larger res.

One could assume there are three mounting-points for pylons/launchers for each bay.

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>tfw you will never be a chinese welder at the shanghai naval shipyard, welding the prow of China's new behemoth, doing your honest labour for the glory of the nation

J-20 is a meme plane

>>31714342
Reminds me of the original PAK-FA splinter pattern. Such a shame they swapped it for that gay ass blue and cyan scheme on the T/50

does anyone have any internal diagrams/cross sections of the newer chinese tanks?

any data on how they perform?

any cool ads or videos?

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>>31709911
Agreed.

>>31711005
Might as well go for 128

>>31711005
I think an aft L-band radar is a meme. Might be satcom or other sensor types.

>>31714662
>I am a retard

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New concept UAV to be presented at zhuhai

>>31709490
It will exceed the Burke class in size.

>>31719207
More like a Tico

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2nd 055 hull module sighted, just behind the 1st hull.

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Chengdu Aircraft Company Engineers congratulate the Plant's 58th anniversary

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>>31719296

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The airshow would probably feature a two-ship flight performance.

Observers noticed that they have never seen those J-20s leaving one another.

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>>31719354
The RAM-covered edges do contrast quite a lot vs the camo pattern. But not in a bad way.

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>>31719360
A lot of vortices during even slight turns... A good sign about this plane's manoeuverbility.

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>>31719365
Especially around the LERX.

>>31719296
Obligatory tfw no qt3.14 Chinese engineer gf post

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>>31719296
>>31719309

Cengdu = Lockheed Martin just without the jews ruining nice things

Shenyang = Lockheed Martin but with a lot of jews ruining nice things

pic: Shenyang's J-XX proposal, which lost out for good reason.
Literally Canards: The Plane.

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The DSI are interesting. An additional layer of RAM?

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>>31719857

>>31719857
>>31719360
Looks cool

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>>31719861
Some details on the cockpit and the new helmet of the pilot, which seems to feature a bulge above the visor.

J-20 red hats when

>>31719877
Do you recognize that bulge?

>>31719877
Are they making an f-35 like helmet?

>>31709629
>>31709642
>>31709651
>>31709711
>>31709720
>>31709726
>>31709733
>>31709751
>>31709761
NOOOOO I AM TIRED OF THAT FUCKING DESERT CAMO!!!

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>>31720017
Most probably.

>>31719877
Looks like there's a large MFD between the legs of the pilot.

>captcha: tejas crescent

>>31709390
Fucking slut

>>31719877
>Physical HUD.
Is this the 1990s?

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>>31720164
DFC slut

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>>31720943

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>>31709376
>google sketch up

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>>31720017
>>31720037
I think it's more like the Scorpion/Striker HMD than the F-35's helmet

>>31719009
They made a stealthy looking plane with poor stealth features to make it look like they can play with the big boys
whoop de fucking do
chinks still can't into engines

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>>31720087
That would be consistent with this mockup of the cockpit

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>>31714925
All China ever needed is a Great Emperor to lead the nation and to unleash the pent up productive forces of the people.

Mao founded the dynasty and freed the nation from foreign domiation with blood and fire.

Deng unleashed the economic skills of the people, while maintaining a low profile to bide the time for China to rise.

Xi utilizes the fruits of the economic rise and now unleashes the ambitions of the nation, leading China onto the path of becoming a Pacific Power.

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BTW it's overshadowed a lot but the Hongdu L-15 is getting increasingly weaponized. the export L-15 AFT variant has a small PESA combat radar (estimated to be a rather short 111 km range though).

>>31724642
>A trainer with BVR capability

111km for a trainer is pretty damn good.

>>31724665

The L-15 AFT is the combat "Attack/Fighter/Trainer" variant of the L-15. A lot of these 'advanced supersonic trainers that are basically fighters' are popping up nowadays, a similar aircraft with the same origins is the Korean KAI FA-50 light fighter

>>31723638
>B-but, it's not a REAL stealth fighter!
Wake up and smell the asshurt fuccboi, it's got stealth, pylons and soon to have engines that match the F-22.

The Chinese did a 5th gen program that took the US 20 years in less than 10.

>>31726067
Even if your statement was entirely accurate, first mover disadvantage desu

>>31714925
After I started playing [spoiler]kancolle
[/spoiler] I gained more of an appreciation of navy things in general. Am a faggot?

>>31720032
They're trying to garner middle east sales (like from the Assad government to begin restocking the Syrian Army as his nation rebuilds).

So expect Desert Camo

>>31719365
I don't see how Vortices are an indicator of maneuverability

>>31726262
Vorts = unstable air frame = wants to flip out but computer says no until pilot says yes.

If the whole thing is creating vorts in a turn, that bitch wants to flip and flop non stop.

>>31726262
>>31726422
However, in personal aircraft and airliners / heavy lift aircraft, you want less vortices.

Means they're stable and more efficient, that's why the new 747 and 380's have wing tips that bend up or down (depending on the engineering) to try and eliminate even ending vorts.

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>>31724712
Yak-130 a qt as well.

I guess these days if it can conceivably carry weapons it might as well.

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>>31726924

The key difference between the L-15 and it's cousins, the Yak-130 and M-346, are the afterburning AI-222K-25 engines, which give aircraft a supersonic top speed of Mach 1.4, giving it full air policing abilities as well

>>31726067
kek. it's literally a poor copy, just like everything else chinese. you're retarded if you think they can suddenly into 5th gen avionics and engines without issues.they're still at least 15 years behind the USA, if not 20-30 in some areas

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>>31727336
>it's literally a poor copy, just like everything else chinese.

Anyone says this is ignorant in this domain,please get out /k/.

China creates products on demand, if you want the cheapest product in the world they will create it, but with cheap materials and hands. If you want a perfectly worked product, you will need to pay more, they will not create cheap toys for their army.

Example, the Chinese longmarch Rocket.
It's fucking perfect, and have the best acceleration in the world.
Never underestimate the enemy,especially the Chinks.

>>31727336
You will now provide evidence that the J-20 is a copy of the F-22. Protip: Sensationalist CNN articles about Chinese hackers don't count.

I'm waiting.

>>31727995
If anything it seems more steeped in the design of the MiG 1.44/MFI. I'm not sure why anyone would call a delta wing jet with canards an F-22 copy unless they think the F-22 invented deflective surfaces, s-ducts and radar absorbant materials.

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>>31709290
CHYAINA

>>31727509

Sorry, I guess I'm just getting distracted by their last several hundred years of general military ineptitude.

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Why do the Chinese learn English and post on our cartoon site? Can't they shit up their own sites in their rude gook language?

>>31709290
this paint job triggers my autism.
Make it symmetrical faggots

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>>31714534
>stealth
>tfw chyna is a cargo cult
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

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>>31727995
>pic related is you building planes

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>you will live to see china overtake the US politically, economically, militarily, and culturally in your lifetime

>>31728845

It's almost 5pm in Beijing. Do you get off soon or is this a 14 hour a day gig?

>>31728855
he's second shift
5pm-1am
followed by graveyard 1am-9am

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>you will live to see china overtake the US politically, economically, militarily, and culturally in your lifetime

>>31728845
You hate freedom or something?

>>31714342
MUH

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>>31726067
So a program that at least started in 2002 and barely entered LRIP 1 in 2016 and has not been rated IOC is ten years. Come on anon it will still be 3 years until they produce enough to have a worthy force of them.

>>31728891
>>31728845

>t. Sum Ting Wong

>>31728891

lol what culture? China left its culture behind in its vassal state periods and these days their 'culture' is just an extreme tendency to fuck eachother over for a quick buck.

>>31730569
The Germans had Jets, ballistic missiles years ahead of the Allies....how that worked out?

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>>31730708
>a nation locked in a brutal war that they had no chance of winning had cutting edge technology, years ahead of their enemies, and still lost (and it totally wasn't because they were already losing by the time these things were introduced)
>this is a total parallel to a country that is scrambling to compete against decades old tech whilst furiously thumping their chest

>>31719360
>>31719365
Honestly a good paint scheme

Very 1980's cold war

>>31723638
Great sources you got there

>>31727336
[Citation needed]

>>31730569
>2002

Wut

Then the F-22 goes back to 1978.

>>31728774
>stonewall Japs and kill 55% of their forces
>US stonewalled in Korea
>beat India
>conquer Viet territory

?

>>31730679

Not terribly different from our country at the turn of the 19th/20th century

Kind of par for the course for a modernizing country. They're just at the robber baron part of history.