AA12

no reason for it


what is the practical purpose ?

>>31650769
Government intervention

>>31650792
Blow the bolts off a door still have a lot of rounds left if using the drum, can be point man with the team and turn opfor into hamburger

>>31650769
Combat shotguns simply aren't very relevant. A rifle is a far better investment for a military to give to troops as an individual weapon.

Notice that most shotguns you saw in use were short PGOs, and now the underslung MASS shotguns. That's because if a military is using a shotgun, it's 99% for breaching anyway.

>>31650769
Its too niche.

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>>31650792
>full auto shotgun
>explosive shotgun shells exist

>>31650831
Engineers get shotguns.

Also remember that the AA-12 has fucking frag rounds. I mean come on. Full auto slugs, buckshot and frag rounds. It's the deadliest hand held weapon conceived on earth.

>>31650830
A rifle can still take enemies down perfectly well in close quarters. And it is more useful at range. And you have more ammunition and ammo commonality with the rest of the unit.

Seriously, ammunition commonality and ease of logistics is so much more massively important than giving a bunch of special snowflake guns that all use different shit to everybody.

Breachers using shotguns should be standing at a position where they won't be the first person in anyway, so that's also kinda bs. Better off using a small secondary shotgun for breaching, then slinging it and using a rifle. Or using a doorknocker charge and leaving the shotgun at home.

>>31650869
>Engineers get shotguns.

Too much vidja, the post

>>31650869
>Engineers get shotguns.

Some do. And they get PGO or MASS type shotguns when they do. The shotguns are almost always intended as breaching tools primarily, with their utility as weapons being secondary. The VAST majority of engineers are carrying carbines though.

>Also remember that the AA-12 has fucking frag rounds. I mean come on. Full auto slugs, buckshot and frag rounds. It's the deadliest hand held weapon conceived on earth.

You're being blinded by the "OMG ITS SO FUCKING COOL!" factor. Logistics and also maneuver tactics make boring old rifles and carbines far better choices for a military to outfit troops with.

>>31650769
Cons outweigh the pros. It's fucking heavy, the ammo is fucking heavy, rifles are better than shotguns.

>>31650874
There nothing special about it. It's a plastic she'll with a pogo stick jammed in it and shoots 12 gauge. Plus the time to sling an 870 breacher takes way longer then just pushing with the team

>>31650869
12 gauge frag rounds suck dick though.

25mm minimum.

>>31650910
You clearly won't be swayed.

Write a letter to the DoD informing them of their pressing need for AA-12s.

Then kys

>>31650869
It's impressive for a shotgun but there's a reason the army went for the XM25.

>>31650926
As if any letter of recommendation gets to the DoD desk

>>31650869
>It's the deadliest hand held weapon conceived on earth.
Out to 50-75m. 100m if you're really generous
Guess what good that does in Afghanistan where many engagements happen >400m away

It disappeared because it's a stupid toy gun with no role?

>>31650958
Didn't that get canned also though?

>>31650769

Because it's about as practical concept as Solar Roadways.

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>>31650869
Ignore what he's holding.

a simple sword is much more effective than an aa12....if you have enough of them...
I am the bone of my sword
Steel is my body and fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades
Unknown to death
Nor known to life
Have withstood pain to create many weapons
Yet those hands shall never hold anything
So, as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works

>>31651964

rip in peace ;_;

>>31652093
I can't find anything saying he's actually gone yet.

>>31652039

fuck off faker

>>31652132

Yeah he's still alive. Hope he pulls through.

>>31650905
5.2 kg less magazine. 7.3 kg with loaded 32-round drum. I don't lift weights but that sounds less than an LMG.

>>31650792
>what is the practical purpose

Kicking ass.

>>31650963
It gets to a desk owned by the dod. Whether or not it's read by anyone important or even read at all is a whole different matter.

>>31652367
It weighs almost double what an M4 weighs. If you want a light weight infantryman, you give him an M4.

It weighs roughly as much as a SAW. If you are loading somebody down with weight, a SAW is far more useful to a platoon.

>Just lift more
One, carrying extra weight for a less useful weapon is stupid. Two, troops carry a lot of fucking weight, adding weight here and there adds up.

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>>31650869
>deadliest hand held weapon conceived on earth

>>31652132
Fill me in, what happened to Mack?

>>31652462

Brain cancer

>>31652418
Okay, I'm going to draft a letter to the DOD. Tell me what you think.

Dear military people,

I have heard that you aren't adopting the AA12. Why not? It's a full auto shotgun that holds 32 rounds, some of which are explosive. It's reliable as fuck, too. The youtube review of it by FPSRussia said it's self cleaning or something.

I know you guys use shotguns. Mostly for shooting doors. But you also give them to engineers so they can protect the tanks and AC-130 gunships they work on. Irregardless, you need to adopt the AA12 not just for them, but for people worldwide. We need this gun in more videogames. I can't think of a single game that uses it with the frag rounds besides GTA IV. Adopting the gun officially would help with that a lot.

All in all, it's a really good gun that is underrated and should be used more.

Sincerely,

Anon.

>>31652530
Your opener is fucking pathetic. Did you even take a writing class in high school?

>>31652530
Gave me brain cancer too. that's probably how Mack got it, too much contact with the AyyAyy-12

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Because sometimes the military just drops the ball on its own foot.

>Lethal killing weapon that can fire explosive rounds
>"Nah, fuck that."

>>31652530
Here's a better into

It has come to my attention that the Department of Defence has chosen not to adopt the AA-12 Automatic Shotgun. Its superior capabilities would make an incredible difference on the modern battlefield if you pursue further trials. I implore you not to abandon this project before running tests in the field.

- Joe A. Taxpayer

>>31652553
Pretty sure its meant to be ironic

>>31652553
I suppose I did come on a little sassy with the "military people" line.

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>>31652588
Tfw need to accurately shoot further than 50 yards

>>31650910

if there was a need for an effective weapon that could also function as a shotgun for door breaching maybe they should undersling a shotgun on a rifle! oh wait...

>>31650769
Shit, my unit actually had five of these things in Iraq in 2007. We were a Marine MEU and we would do squad patrols in the streets with them. We had a Master Sergeant who actually got three confirmed kills (confirmed by a TFP attached Captain who did a walk around AAR afterwards) in a building being used as a cache site by insurgents.

All I can say is those shotguns were way better than the M16A2 and XM177 carbines we had, especially in the heavy dust and sand.

>>31652697
Proofs plz.

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>>31652644

>"Close-quarters combat? What's that?"

>>31652722
>unironically taking a CQB shotgun as your primary armament when a carbine can do the job just as well as well as allowing for combat at longer ranges

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>>31650869

"Who would want that, when they can have a tiny-ass pistol and a knife? Sure they're comparatively limited in function but we've always used them! Tradition now, tradition forever!"

>>31652804
Who would want that when you could just take an M4 with an underslung shotty

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>>31652764

So my secondary armament....can't be a badass shotgun?

>>31652494
haha, ahh..
makes me feel awful the many times that i said that this guy was cancer

>>31652857
It's not mw2

>>31652857
Real life isn't a fucking video game.
Unless you're some high-speed operator, chances are you won't even have a sidearm on top of your primary weapon.

>>31653045

I am really skeptical there isn't a military role for a rapid-fire shotgun that can fire explosive rounds.

>>31653126
12ga is too small to carrying a meaningful amount of explosives. 20mm airburst for the OICW was deemed to small as well, the US mil bumped it up to 25mm.

>>31653126
why use explosive rounds when you can use a grenade launcher attached to a carbine?

Because it's probably like the USAS-12 and that fucker can take out entire squads. Some even claim it took out several helicopters. The DoD determined that the AA-12 was too OP and that it made warfare unbalanced and never adopted it.

maybe for ship boarding operations for marine forece recon or the SEALs. ship board defense inside the ship itself but i doubt there will be any real boarding actions on a true naval vessel anytime soon if it ever happens again excluding dumb Somali pirates.

>>31651070
>Combat will forevermore consist of countersniping goat fuckers on a different mountain from you

knew a few dudes who would carry shotguns in the turrets with them in Iraq so they blast people on roof tops who they couldn't elevate the turret mounted gun to get at. may of had some use in iraq where the fighting was pretty urban

>>31652530
It's perfect. Send it

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>>31653282
Think before you post.

>>31654086
He was obviously shitposting. He knew what he was typing.

>>31650792
Dakka

>>31650769

The biggest limitation for a shotgun like that is ammunition. Each drum only holds 20 shells, and you'll only be able to carry like 3 extra drums, so that's just 80 shots.

>>31651692
Sort of\ maybe\ not really. trials were mostly favorable, in procurement hell. I think the enhanced 40mm is going to be the next step before we get a full on OICW thing to replace M4\203 combo.

>>31650869
>garaunteed replies: the post

>>31650830
I forget what's actually in the shell when blowing off hinges but it's not normal shot and you're not allowed to use it offensively in combat. Also the breach man isn't necessarily the point man

>>31654584
Powdered steel generally. It scatters. You're not "allowed" to use it in combat because it isn't terribly effective past a few inches from the barrel.

>>31654390
32 shells in the biggest drum mag, actually.

>>31652367
So 7.3 KG for 32 rounds that are largely ineffective outside of 50 yards. Besides not really wanting to use the same ammo for breaching and combat when avoidable, that is still heavy as fuck.

A loaded M4 weighs 3 kilos, ammo is 2 mags per kilo, so the same weight gets you 150 rounds of ammo that is effective in more situations and can be shared with the rest of your squad. If you have to have a shotgun, a cut down PGO shotgun weighs about 2-3 kilos and can be easily stowed as opposed to the bulky motherfucker that is the AA12

Did I mention that the AA12 and it's ammo are heavy and bulky as fuck.

>>31654626
Just loose powder? Why not use steel impregnated wax slugs?

>>31656590
they're sintered/compressed

>>31650792
>what is the practical purpose ?

Bald man whispering describing its capabilities that include supplementing a weight lifting gym

>>31650869
>Also remember that the AA-12 has fucking frag rounds. I mean come on. Full auto slugs, buckshot and frag rounds. It's the deadliest hand held weapon conceived on earth.

logistical headache desu senpai

>>31650792
building clearing, dangerous game hunting

>>31650792
To kick em in the head

>>31652697
>XM177

Oh kek my sides

We're supposed to believe this fool?

>>31652697
kek, nicely done.

>>31658431
>The Marines don't use carbines

Yeah, every squad leader and had an XM177. The point men used M16s at first, but they swapped them out for AK74u SMGs to do house clearing inside of Ramadi. Most kills there were with those guns, shotguns, or bayonets due to the close quarters CQB fighting.

>>31658473
Marines using ruskie weapons, gonna need a sauce of that.

>>31658473
>still calling an M4 X177

this has to be bait

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>>31658506
Pic related. Marines used battlefield pickups all the time in Iraq, especially when they needed something shorter.

>>31658514
We got gear after the Army replaced their gear, so we still used XM177s while the Army had fancy M4s. We didn't get M4s until 2007.

>>31654584
It's called a Hatton, it's a bunch of powdered zinc encased in a thin wax shell, the shell ruptures upon contact with a hard surface and the zinc sandblasts the everloving shit out of the locking mechanism of most doors.

You're not allowed to use it against people because it's not only a waste of a breaching round, but it is also markedly less effective than buckshot against an unarmored target.

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>>31658638
You don't use the steel filled 1030 rounds anymore? That's what we had.

Identical concept, just steel instead of zinc.

>>31658565
No, no they don't kid.

They collect weapons for cataloging and then destruction. sometimes they'll take a few shots for funsies before they destroy them.


I suggest you drink bleach.

>>31652530
>I'm a youtube memer
>pls read
Noice

>>31658565
Don't fucking talk shit. 1. Using an enemy weapon is stupid as it can draw fire from your buddies 2. No marine is ever, ever going to be allowed to carry around and use a battlefield pickup. No way.

Go back2COD

>>31650869
>Engineers gets shotguns
>12 gauge FRAG rounds

what the fuck have you been smoking son?

stop mixing up vidya and irl you double nigger

>>31652888
https://youtu.be/wQU7Q86hJpU

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>>31658697
>No marine is ever, ever going to be allowed to carry around and use a battlefield pickup. No way.
>"I don't know shit about the early Iraq war. The post"

Psssssssssssstttt- nothin' personnel, kid.

>>31653491
>the US military should start the logistic nightmare of giving random soldiers an AA-12 in case we ever enter into a war where we 1: find ourselves in combat ranges where shotguns out perform rifles 2: shotgun/weapons technology hasn't advanced passed full auto 12 gauge and 3: there is ever a situation a shotgun will be relevant in that requires that shotgun to fire full auto and shoot mini grenades

No, the entire military isn't going to re-tool to soothe your vidya autism.

>>31652588
because when you're trying to win the hearts and minds, needlessly throwing explosive rounds into villages when you're just trying to hit the one or 2 individuals is the right way to go...

My thread turned into a shit posting, Stolen valor on the internet pool of shit....

Anyway. Why not civilan use? Convert it to a closed bolt system and offer choke tubes for "muh sporting purposes"

>>31658733
Where you even in iraq, let alone anywhere in the middle east? I know there where some more light on the leash officers, but most of us the only time where allowed to even touch an insurgent weapon where to unload it and toss the mag before moving on. I saw Three (3) cases of stupid fucking teenagers picking up AKs and what have ye, and one of them ND'd and was fucking lucky he only got fucking pulled off the line and bunked, Cause the ANA units with us almost fucking shot his ass up the moment they heard AK fire comming from the american line and paniced thinking we where somehow overrun.

The 2 times one of them was lucky and he just got his ass chewed out, but the other actually fucking fired it and the barrel blew up (not exploded, it just expanded and looked like a fucking Knot.) And he was lucky it didnt send shrapnel into his fucking face.

Every single time this subject comes up you fucking idiots post this image like its some kind of end all proof, where there are a hundred more times the cases of that not being the truth.

>>31658877
Getty images is not a reliable source. Plus it's obvious when someone never served before and just snorted a lot of call of Duty and battlefield.

>>31652857
Why carry a secondary weapon when you can carry more ammunition?

>>31658877
Kind of related, but what's the policy on trophies? If I find General Aloha Snackbar's Makarov, can I keep it or would that be a no no? What is the current policy on trophies in general?

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>>31650869
>AA-12
>It's the deadliest hand held weapon conceived on earth.

Not even close. That title goes to the AKM. 30rds of 7.62x39, accurate enough for a conscript to hit man sized targets at 300m.

>>31659044
things like patches, and made for tourist weapons are one thing, trying to sneak back weapons parts will get you no love, soldier or not. Also i think someone found Sadams golden pistol or AK or something and tried to sneak it back, didnt go well. In general weapon trophies are not allowed or generally frowned upon cuase your average marine or army grunt where idiot teenagers or college jocks who where more likely to shoot themselves in the face when showing off a coll generals mak.

OP is fucking retarded, but there IS a role for a rapid fire shotgun. It's just not an infantry role.

It's CIWS. Just think of how many projectiles you could get in the air if the Phalanx fired shotgun shells.

>>31653126
Because you're a moron.

>>31658473
God damn, the bullshit people will believe

>>31659190
You're about ten years too late for that.

>>31658862
Because then its just a bulky slow-firing heavy expensive poor-aftermarket equivalent to a Vepr/Saiga with a drum mag.

>>31659653
B-But they used it in my favorite anime Parasyte?

>>31650811
Shilloli clinton

>>31658514
What's your problem? I did a lot of LRRP for MACV-SOG in Afghanistan. We were all equipped with GAU-5/A's, M-177's and Stoner 63's. Still remember those ISIS terrorist hunts in the Himalaya's jungles.

During operation Eagle Claw in 2006 I got the FAMAS PSG-1. Shoot down a low flying T-55 with it.

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>>31658681
Not him, but I remember seeing a picture of the battle for the Jah with a marine clearing rooms with a ppsh.

>>31659777
Fresh yeti tracks in the snow still haunt me to this day war-brother. It's wasn't a holly-jolly Christmas that year....

Semper phi

>>31659854
Urra, semper phi, bro!

>>31652154
Sadly I don't think it's the kind of cancer that you get better from.

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>>31652644
>Tfw a squad outfitted with AA12s can fire in full auto in the general direction of the enemy and can't theoretically miss

>>31660029
Shotguns don't spread as much as you think.

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