Guns you Wish you could own, but never will.

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My beloved

>>31627448
Wtf is that op?

It's not black so it can't famas.

>>31627448
But how does it work?

>>31627604
whattheactualfuck.jpg

>>31627614
Steyr ACR
>>31627619
AK-545

>>31627597
This. Why do Germans have to be such cucks?

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>be slavaboo
>tfw

>>31627614
Steyr's submission to the Amerikan advanced combat rifle program from the 80s. It's a caseless flechette firing rifle. The program got scrapped because their numbers showed something like a 50% increase in effectiveness when the program required a 100% increase over 5.56. Don't ask how they calculated that, because probably nobody living knows how.

>>31627678
Completely achieveable

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>>31627448
I will never get to even touch one
>Just fuck my shit up forever

>>31627684
The entire flechette thing was abandoned because they were totally unreliable.

Like, you could get a really horrible wound, but you could often get a minor one, or just get arbitrary misses, the slightest wind would throw off the projectile.

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Life is really unfair.

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>>31627857

>>31627704
I know, but It's a bit too much trouble for me and I'm happy enough with my Bulgarian AK. This was just my favorite gun when I played Operation Flashpoint as a kiddo and I still want one.

>>31627838
this is actually bullshit. There were many, many Flechette programs that the US chased. You are just spewing a meme you read here and never looked up yourself.

The flechettes were designed to buckle on impakt and rip open their targets. they also flew much, much faster and flatter than a traditional bullet which compensated for their lighter weight.

They were no more impacted by wind or grass than any other bullet.

deuces.

>>31627868
>having to use a G36 instead
please just kill me now

>>31627962
>>31627684
Flechettes aren't as good as proper bullets because you don't get the same psychological effect when laying down suppressive fire.

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>>31628172

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I live in the UK, pls no bully.

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>>31627448

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>>31628223

Top kek, balkans here, sucks to be yuropoor i know your feel

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In .280.

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Muh SAFN

>>31628282
fucking hell!

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>>31627448
I know that feel, anon

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>>31628483
disgusting.

>>31628483
Why? To explain to everyone why It's a piece of shit when questioned about it?

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>>31627472
Holy shit, yes.

>>31627448
10mm Suppressed SBR

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>>31627868
If they put one on the market RIGHT NOW, I would literally drop 60k for it, straight up.

>>31628540
Just to see if it is really a shitty rifle as everyone say, and also I could sell it to a good price I believe

>>31628599
I wonder if it would be exempted by the ATF as the Ammo is extremely difficult to find?

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The impossible requirement is the 4 position fun lever.

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Barrett XM109

>>31628497
Be Canadian
http://www.tacticalimports.ca/gm6-lynx-p-3.html

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>>31628744
You mean like a C&R exemption? Well you could send a letter and ask, I suppose.
I mean, almost all the ammo in the world that still exists is pretty much expired by now, and the easiest way to get the stuff is to buy less than a few at a time from various cartridge collectors, it's not a gun you could actually shoot anymore, getting one full magazine (or the magazine itself for that matter), would be a long and arduous task, with probably half of all the rounds failing to ignite or giving you near squib loads of performances.

I suppose you could try to make your own ammo, but it's not as easy as seating a projectile in a casing with a press, you would need equipment that nobody in America or Europe has access to and which hasn't been used for decades, as well as the specific materials necessary.

I know there's supposed to be at least one lower or FCG for a H&K G11 that is registered as a transferable machinegun.

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yeah its a bit on the ugly side, but fuck if the concept isn't cool. and I like the cyberpunk feel of it.

>>31627472
FPBP

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>>31627511
Why the hell don't they make modern rifles with the post 1915 Berthier sights? They look like they would be great for quick sight acquisition while still allowing decent accuracy due to the small notch marking the middle.

>>31629701
Your guess is as good as mine. They are surprisingly accurate sights though, same with the Lebel. Last weekend I was shocked at how accurate my Lebel could be.

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If only........

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>>31629873
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/05/molot-vintorez/

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>>31627448

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>>31630073
Frankly, I just came in my pants a little.

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>>31627448
Tfw you will never mow down charging bolshevik scum with your schnelfeur.

an original '77 charleville

an original martini henry with massive amounts off .577 ammo :3

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>>31628033
Muh nig

>>31630106
I'm still baffled that no one manufactures copies.

Maybe that's what I should do with my life. Drop this unfulfilling English academia shit and go into business making small lots of broomhandles. I'll probably be the only firearms manufacturer in my entire hyper-blue state.

FAMAS with BRRRTswitch

Memes aside, it's been one of my favorite guns since MGS1, I remember my brother cutting two out of wood boards for us when we were younger, then operating around the neighborhood

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nobody?

>>31627448
Is that an inbred AUG or something?

>>31627857
>>31627880
Must learn more. This looks interesting

>>31628104
You get the same psychological effect when you see one of you squashed catch a 3 round burst to the chest and see him get ripped open by lawn darts.

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I live in Commiefornia, and by the time I leave both these guns will be out of production and impossibly expensive

>>31627962
Well you make them sound pretty good anon, why didn't the US adopt flechette rounds then?

>>31630219
I'm sure plenty of people had this idea. I'm guessing the patent is probably expired, so you could probably legally produce them, but starting from scratch and getting into the gun business without millions of dollars on tap would be nigh impossible. Even if you clear that hurdle, you'll need to market a 100+ year old pistol to the American market for a cheap enough price to justify the purchase. I'm thinking they'd need to be sub $500 to even have a chance. They aren't good for CC, they aren't collectibles (until your company goes under, that is), and they have plenty of problems that people have discovered over the years.

I say go for it, but don't expect a huge success (or anything more than total failure really).

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meatba

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>>31630530
Not something I could pull off with a large quonset on cheap backwoods land with a CNC machine and other assorted small tools, huh?

>>31630668
I'm sure making them isn't the hard part, it's selling enough of them at a price point that makes you money which will be hard.

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no one imports it.

>>31630219
>>31630530
The problem from what I understand is that companies now days would struggle to even hit the $1,000 price point (at which point they would definitely sell) with the C96 due to how complex it is. Best you can hope for is a company putting out a cheap .22lr version that just looks like the original on the outside, or 3D printing steel becoming price competitive with machining (at which point companies could start doing all kinds of fancy shit without actually adding to the price).

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;_;
Never
Ever

>>31630948
.22 might be a decent compromise. It's not really a gun you could justify as anything besides a range toy, and so if it was cheap to shoot some people might just throw down a bit of money to have an interesting plinker. Now, if we're making it a .22, it still does need to be pretty cheap. I really don't see people dropping $1000 on a C96 clone in .22 especially when it'll probably be a straight blowback or something.

How did those GSG .22 Stg-44s and MP-42s (or MP-40s? I can't remember) go? I remember /k/ was moderately excited for them but the lack of authenticity really hampered their value here. I saw and held the .22 Stg-44 in a gun shop, and it felt decent but not worth $500+ or whatever the price was. I also have no idea how they actually perform on the range. I'm guessing magazines were crazy expensive too.

>>31630912
Still plenty in country already.

>>31627604
The horrible offspring of an mp5,ar, and an ak

>>31630530
I kinda wonder what a /k/ inspired proof mark would look like. What sort of subtle nod one could insert that would be indiscernible to the general public but an instant tip off to the cognoscenti.

>>31627604
Kill it with fire

>>31631163
Murdercube

>>31630501
Have a friend buy an F2000 for you.

The Lithgow ATRAX (what Australia is using now) is going to be bringing semi-automatic variants to market next year.

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>>31631163
I'm partial to the murder cube, very minimalist yet recognizable.

>>31630281
Check gun broker, there were a few on there a while back in the $1000-2000 range.

>>31631236
That's what I was thinking. Murdercube looks like a plain logo. Most people wouldn't get it but wouldn't think the logo looks weird.

>>31629532
You can buy this easily.

>>31631179
>>31631236
You know, you're right. The /k/ube is perfect.

Well, I guess if you guys ever run into bizarre C96 copies with reprehensibly bad tolerances stamped thusly coming out of Hawaii's backwoods, you'll know where they're coming from. A bitter old man who got tired of reading Bakhtin for a living.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OJrwDXcHuY

this turret

>>31631337
>1337

You're a good man.

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>>31627448

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>semi-auto bullpub
>looks neat
>brass comes out the front
$2000 and the fact that kel-tec makes it

>>31631448
>bullpub
jesus christ I need sleep

>>31631350
that is so god damn badass

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I will never ever have this gun but... I. NEED. IT.

>>31631009
rip eurobong

>>31631448
Get one. Also they're a lot cheaper than $2000.

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>>31627597
There's a company that's makes a stock/frame that you can drop a .22 in for like a grand...I'm still waiting for someone on /k/ to get one so I can know if it's garbage or not

>>31629532
>guns you cant buy
>posts gun you can buy

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>>31630073

>>31628632
this

>>31631479
Isn't that where your wife goes to meet BBC?

>>31631817
>wife
>4chan
>british tv
u wot

>>31628033
http://www.therifleshoppe.com/catalog_pages/english_arms/(513).htm

Get building, anon.

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>>31627448

>>31630286
thats a repro that ian shot. he said it was basically the same but it didnt have the metal lining in the hand guard so when it overheated it cracked the handguards. u can get them for like 5 grand roughly

http://smgguns.com/?page_id=99

>>31631593
it looked pretty legit when i saw it. some dude had one at the range a few months back and at first i was like BRO WHAT and then realized it was a 22. still pretty cool though and fucking tiny.

>>31632476
on if 37mm

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>>31627448
Obviously a work in progress...

>>31629360
As a Canadian, my contribution to this thread is the AK-47 which could be had in trade for a charismatic goat. Damn action movies.
Also wouldn't mind being able to hunt with an AR-15.

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>>31630193
oh yeah i have one of those

>>31630509
Couple of reasons. the thought that the soviets would adopt ceramic body armor, the flechettes were good but logistically we would need to retool the entire light arms industry. There were teething issues, and the guns did not meet the magical 100% improvement.

tl/dr: We are always on the verge of switching to a new weapons platform but never doing it because we have all this ammo and tooling to make all this ammo and our friends all use this ammo. We could make flachettes that meet the ammo form factor but putting a spin on them isint a great idea and you need smooth bores so new guns.

check out: SCF, SPIW ( XM216, XM144, XM110, XM645, etc) AAR, fuck. it goes on.

I became a SME for this shit a few years back.

the US probably should have went with the AAI ammo, and skipped the platform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCwC2MBrx4

Even then its all about trade off. Back then the ammo was accurate enough, but putting in the barrel twists required the flachettes to adopt a degree of spin stabilization.

I am getting pretty tired. Long story short. They are a great technology, and just are forever "too ahead of their time" despite being ready with current technology. The real downfall of the Flachette is where warfare is heading with the DARPA EXACTO project. Cant fit that shit into a flachette, so again they get relegated.

>>31628225
Saw one at a gun show for like 500 lol didnt pick it up idk if it had any parts in i though

>>31632606
>The real downfall of the Flachette is where warfare is heading with the DARPA EXACTO project. Cant fit that shit into a flachette, so again they get relegated.
They aren't going to be giving every soldier EXACTO based ammunition. That would be fucking expensive and pointless when a good portion of it would be wasted on suppressing fire.

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Why, Madsen? Why you no make this?

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life... is suffering...

>>31633212
>Implying

You realize that in 15 years or so it's going to be pretty much like video game auto aim, right? You don't have to keep enemies suppressed if they've been detected and 360noscoped from 700m by some jackass firing at threat outlines in an augmented reality display.

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imagine putting two bullets in a guy before he even sees you. Too bad the design is 22 years old and hasn't changed since then.

>>31633810

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/590499111

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>>31633984
If we're going to be adding all the stuff necessary for auto aim within a few degrees to a gun, it would probably be much more effective (for cost and weight) to go with something more along the lines of the stabilizer stock they're experimenting with (see pic related) and using regular bullets.

>>31634028
EVERY SINGLE TIME this picture is posted, it triggers me. Shouldn't the gas system be on top for that clearly AK style action?

>>31634189
What is AN-94 for 500 Alex?

>>31634210
It doesn't look right. I don't like it.

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>>31634189
No.

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>>31628242
sorry for your plight

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On topic, I'd love one of these.

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>>31634189
this should answer your question

>>31628104
>psychological effect when laying down suppressive fire

A soldier's reaction to being fired upon is to take cover and return fire. A soldier's reaction to being shot is to retreat.

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>>31629532
I have one of those. If I were you, I would get a KSG. The extra barrel is pretty impractical especially with how heavy it can get when fully loaded.

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>>31630073

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>>31631559

>>31634295
I own a KSG with Sniper Grey Grip and Pump Grip, picked up a magpul vert grip in grey to match, the thing is like perfectly distributed for weight when fully loaded

>>31627889

>we could have had them in .30-06 if the Chief of Ordinance wasn't such a shit

>>31628897

why are those so rare anyways?

>>31630509
see
>>31627684

"B-b-but the new rifle doesn't exceed the AR-15 by 123.45% by my black box calculations! We should just cancel the project and cut our los-"
"What do you mean the new rifle actually performs 150% better? Fine! We're actually looking for it to be to be 200% betterer than the AR-15 and its not! So there!"

And such is the story with many new developments in the American military industrial complex.

>>31632606
Retooling and replacing the small arms of a nation is pocket change compared to the amount of money dumped into new vehicles or electronic gadgets that have never seen real combat, ever.

>>31627684
In the back of their design and engineering books they have the math on how to calculate infantry weapon effectiveness.
Fuck ton of variables and math involved.

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>>31627448

DSR-1 looks pretty neat.

>>31630912
I have one, are they worth anything or just hard to come by?

>>31634242
It really is a sweet little number.

>>31634714
Last I checked these are sold on the commercial market here in Europe. Expensive as all hell though.

>>31634714
Gee Bill! How come your mom lets you have two magazines?

>>31630286
Oh god yes.

>>31630501
I've seen plenty of fn2000 here in California, if you have $2100 to spend

>>31630501
you can buy both of those guns right now in California, well until Jan 1st. Although they will both need a faux flash suppressor to bring the overall length to 30", and also a "bullet button".
After Jan 1st the magazine will need to be fixed: ie "to swap a magazine you will need to break the action of the firearm".

t. PS90 owner

>>31630073
wtf is that?

>>31634837
>After Jan 1st the magazine will need to be fixed: ie "to swap a magazine you will need to break the action of the firearm".
WTF. Honestly. They are fucking trying to make guns illegal now. Does this mean that detachable box magazines are gone for good in CA afterward?

>>31634849
are you stupid in the head

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> I have ARs, AKs, FNs, and IWI, but I want a stupid Leinad, but they are illegal here

>>31634856
if the box can be detached without breaking the action of the firearm, then it is illegal (only applies to center fire rifles with a pistol grip).

Also ALL shotguns that can accept a magazine will be banned from sale.

Get your stuff now, and you get to grandfather it in. Even if it is just the receiver, you are good to go.

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>>31627678
For me it's more like this one.
>50rds of 9mm
>small and light enough to sweep out your house 24/7

>>31634849
pancor jackhammer, one of the most fucking ugly guns ever failed to be made. Combine with a horrible drum mag system and you have probably the dumbest idea when it comes to shotguns

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>>31634849
>wtf is that?

pancor jackhammer.
12 gauge full auto.
the magazine can be converted into a mine. (or well, that was planned, there are no surviving examples of the boobytrap iirc)

>>31634856
oh ya the worst, which takes effect 2018, is that all ammo sale will need a background check. So add on $25 to every ammo purchase, and no more buying ammo over the internet.

>they cant ban guns, but they tax the hell out of them, to make them cost prohibatory

>>31630293
Steyr ACR

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STG 77

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For shits and giggles.

>>31634723
Don't seem to be that common.

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>>31627597
>>31627649

https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt/langwaffen~selbstladebuechsen/203244_walther_mod_wa_2000-.html?s=1&s_t=wa%202000&o=neu

Here´s your chance, anons!

>>31630286
You can buy a very accurate replica for $5000. So not really impossible to get. Unless you are referring to an original.

>>31627448

For AKs
Polytech Legend is top-of-the-list, followed by Type 81s & Dragunovs


MG-40s
Pre-Ban MP5s

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>>31627448

Britbong here so, well, most of these apply to me.

However, it pains me to know that even if I did move to a gun friendly place, I ain't getting my sweaty mitts on one of these babies.

Damn shame too, was always a favourite when I played S.T.A.L.K.E.R as a kid. Even if I did think it and the F2000 were fictional at the time.

>>31634966
I... kinda like the looks of this

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Why must they taunt us with its existence?

>>31635941
did it ever actually 'exist' though?

>>31634723
They were fucking 500 before the ban. I gunbrokered mine at buy now for $750. Theres was 2 on there, mine was 20in, the 16in one people bid up to like $875. I have the rifle now and when I have extra money I'm gonna get the slanted gas block pressed on, barrel to 16.3.

Its worth is that is a Izhmash so its THE ak, as close as you can get in new production, so I guess collector value. I was originally going to make it "this is my rifle" but I've decided to convert it to as close as a stock AKM as I can and make a VEPR into "muh raifu".

Aside from collectibility, I don't see them getting unbanned, ever. Price is only gonna go up. If you have an unconverted one I'd put it in the safe and don't touch it. Maybe if the price is high and we start getting really fuckin gun friendly and start getting really friendly with russia I would go ahead and sell it.

>>31628897
>7 round bursts
fucking krauts man

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>>31630073

>>31634028
Too bad the two-round burst actually happens to be really fucking shitty

Shame, really

>>31634865
Why are they illegal? Too easy to hide in a rectum?

>>31637242
You're joking, right? The open end on the left indicates that that's full-auto.

The four positions are:
-safe
-single
-burst
-full

>>31634530
Because three-round burst is a meme.

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Fully auto mp40 and a luger

>>31631350
>controlled with a PS2 controller

I wonder how Sony feels about this.

>>31637462
Naw man
No bullets
One bullet
Three bullet
7 bullets
Watch Any video on this gun

>>31637514
>ywn have a mp40 wp38 and panzerfaust 30 combo w German infantry uniform
Wan 2 die

>>31629873
Not to worry comrade, MOLOT HAS GOOD NEWS FOR YOU

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>>31637462

>>31637462
Nah man, that's a 7rd burst. My dad works at H&K.

>>31637298
like i said, 22yr old design they haven't fucked with. Are you basing that on the Vickers video btw? Pretty sure the one they were given was old and used a lot, either way yeah, a damn shame

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>>31637539
>>31637592
>>31637612

>>31634789
I'm guessing they haven't passed the sporting clause restriction for importing in the states?

>>31629532
literally have two of these in the shop I work in. They're cool but far too heavy, even unloaded, to be practical. Weighs at least as much as a PTR when it's UNLOADED.

>>31632476
>shop near me has one
>HE rounds are several grand apiece
>separate tax stamp for every HE round
i still want it

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>TFW nobody posted the lever nugget yet.

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>>31637514
>tfw my great grandad had a captured luger
>tfw my no-fun anti gun great grandmother sold it for 50$ when he died

>>31628193
I want this.

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>>31629960

B L Y A T

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>>31627448

>>31638429
Because they're aren't unattainable...? Hell I might have one in a couple weeks.

>>31632601
>comrade u do dis.

>>31638520
I just got an instant erection. I had no idea true love could exist on this level and now I'm depressed that I can never achieve it.

Anon you have ruined my life.

>>31638429
I saw one at my lgs just last night. I already have one. Bought a k31 instead.

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>>31638520

>>31631398
dat MG34

>>31638761
What shop, how much, and was it sporterized?

>>31627448
A maxim in .308

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>>31638433

>>31630219
As big as cnc machining is getting you'd think a lot of the complex machining could be done that was in aluminum.

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>>31630281
saw it in a museum, truely is a magnificent piece

>>31637211
That rifle is not a vepr also vepr's are not banned only saiga's are.

>>31639243

Not a hard conversion....

>>31627644

*A545
close enough.