What is the best semi-auto shotgun?

It's the best period. Even considering options not available in America it's still better.

The biggest con is the 922r shit/price.

Sega 12

>>31623834
It is a bit pricey, though what sort of shit can you put on this thing not made in the US? It's damn near perfect straight out of the box. Though, I have seen LE variants in cases that are only to be sold to the police, makes me wonder what the difference between them is.

>>31623838
The only thing the Saiga is better for is a short barrel shotgun.

>>31623852
It's when you want to add the tube extension and folding stock. You have to replace I think 4 or 5 stock parts with US made parts for compliance.

Debating on buying the Benelli or another ar15.

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>>31623826
Doesn't do anything better than the cheapest turkish shotgun with an adjustable stock and a rail.
There is absolutely no justification for the insane price asked for spaghetti products.

>>31623869
I give a shit about the folding stock, but getting a tube extension makes it illegal upon installation, is this what I'm hearing?

>>31623859
*sega

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>>31623899

NEVER EVER buy turkshit!! Its so bad produced that you will get goosebumps if you try to touch it.

I've seen so many of turkish rifles on the IWA and they were all terrible.

Buy a mossi 930 if you want a cheap and realiable auto shotgun.

>mfw turkish guns

>>31623917
Not the tube extension itself. The Benelli has like 13 parts that aren't American that the ATF cares about. In stock form you're good.
If you want to add an extension tube then you need to be at 10 parts or less.
-1 Italian part being the tube you remove
-1 Italian part if you replace the follower
-1 Italian part for replacing the handgaurd with American one
That puts you at 10.

Now if you want to then add the collapsible stock the ATF considers that 2 parts. (Stock and grip). However, the fixed stock on the Benelli counts as 1 part since the grip and stock are 1 piece.
So you need replace another Italian part with an American part. Most people will replace some of the trigger parts or the safety I think.

This is how I understand it. Obviously do your own research.

I think the top rail may count too but idk.

>>31623962
Regardless, this all sounds like bureaucratic bullshit nonsense. Who gives a fuck where the shit was manufactured?

>>31623971
The ATF does. Welcome to American gun laws.

>>31623973
You do know no one has ever been convicted for not following 922r. Its more just for importing shit, no one gives a fuck once its in private hands.

>>31624375
Look, you keep saying this but it doesn't change shit. 922r does apply to foreign guns no matter who owns them. People do need to follow it.

No one is really checking it but stop telling people to break or disregard the law. Don't encourage them to ignore it just because you want to sound like a tough guy who doesn't give a shit on the internet.

We all agree 922r is bullshit but it is in fact the law and people need to follow it while we all work to get it changed.

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>>31623826
Six12

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Eh. I've always found the M4 kinda meh when compared to the M2. It's lighter and just felt better when I shouldered it.

THAT SAID, I haven't had the opportunity to put any rounds through either. This is just from my time working at a gun shop when I had ample time to handle both. So, take it with a grain of salt.

>>31623899
Anything Turkish, guns or ammo, are practically Khyber Pass level of QC. I know you guys love explosions and shrapnel, but it's not so much fun when your head is the collateral damage.

>>31623826
FN SLP is better.

>>31624707
Nice try, ATF.
Nobody gives a shit about 922r and if everyone in the country stopped following it, odds are no one would ever even find out.

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I fancy the look of the boat shotgun, but I've yet to see any reviews or anything. The idea is interesting though.

>>31623962
nobody fucking cares

>>31624746
it shoots the same round as a hundred year old winchester.

except its heavier and probably not as reliable

call me when we get a rail gun that looks like that

>>31624707
stop shooting dogs

>>31624707
>No one is really checking it but stop telling people to break or disregard the law.

Literally how is it possible to tell the nation of manufacture for those small parts? If you say they're US made and don't have the receipts, what can they do? How would one even get into a situation where the ATF would be poring over each part of your gun individually, other than having committed a real felony and they're looking for shit to stack up charges that will be ultimately bargained down?

The fact is, 922r is entirely unenforceable for private citizens. If you're an importer, there's a large enough paper trail that you do need to follow it. But no such preponderance of records exist for private owners.

(And, frankly, this nation has devalued the rule of law so far through its own corrupt horseshit *cough cough email server cough rigged primaries cough media collusion cough cough torture cough cough Patriot Act cough cough cough*, that we as citizens ought to do our part to commit civil disobedience toward bad laws.)

Sorry to get radical, but jesus christ that fucking debate last night still has my blood pressure up. True signs of what a broken republic when I'm less afraid of the clowns on the street than I am of the two at the podiums.

>>31623826

It's not.

It's the VEPR

>most lead downrange
>can be and with high capacity
>RPK reliability
>cheap and easy to use

>>31624755
you mean coil gun... rails will likely never get that small, and if it does coil by that time will be the better option anyway

>>31624809
you're right, it's impossible to enforce. It's still the law though and I don't see the problem with mentioning 922r compliance issues when talking about upgrading a gun

You should make every effort to follow the law, or at least publicly say that you do. Regardless of Hillary Clinton or whatever

>>31624720
That still just seems like such a bad idea, as cool as it looks.

>>31624856
FOLLOW ALL LAW WITHOUT QUESTION
MUH LAW
MUH ORDER
DO NOT PROTEST CAUSE LAAAAAAAAAAAAAW

>>31623826

the Remington Versa Max is a clone to the point where they got sued and where you can swap trigger groups.

advantages:
comes in a non-PG stock if you want
no 922r
cheaper
MURRICA

Ignore 922r. Put whatever you want on your gun.

>>31623869

>You have to replace I think 4 or 5 stock parts with US made parts for compliance.

You don't have to do shit.

>>31624707

>People do need to follow it.

Oh get the fuck out.

Funny how a Vepr 12 is available for civies and it's better than US military shotguns.

If the m4 is too rich for your blood (like it is for mine) you can put together a really nice shotgun for alot less with a benelli m1. You get inertia instead of gas, and no telestock but is substantially cheaper and still pretty bad ass. The inertia system works great. Mine has cycled about 75000 light target loads, plus all manner of buck, slugs, heavy fowl loads ect without a hiccup.

>>31624720

>hey let's make a shotgun

okay

>but like a revolver

okay

>but let's make sure your hand is always in front of the chambers.

wait wha-

>hangfires are a meme, it'll be fine

>>31625314

not in reliability.

>>31625437

i'm not worried about hangfires or chainfires with shotgun shells. it was designed as an underbarrel. it's also vaporware.

>>31624746

Is that an F2000 lower?

heaven guard m4 best shotgun

>>31624856
Are you autistic or just a faggot?

> I don't see the problem with mentioning 922r compliance issues

It's a waste of time and reinforces the idea that it's a legitimate or enforceable law.

>You should make every effort to follow the law, or at least publicly say that you do

No.

>>31624707
> being such a faggot that you think ATF is doing no notice 922 inspections at the range

No one cares, faggot. Why is half of ak general not in jail for 922 violations? Becuase no one cares.

>>31624729
m2>m4

Yeah I fucking said it.
Superior for both 3gun and hunting.

>>31623826
They're okay, just don't rip your thumbnail off while loading it.

>>31625485
>not in reliability.
Bullshit.

>>31623834
>Even considering options not available in America it's still better

An AA-12 is far superior.

>>31625992
>>31625485
>>31625314
>>31624811
>>31623859
>>31623838
I just got a vepr 12 because it looks cool and doesn't afraid of anything. It also seems reliable from what the internet claims, and it IS used by Russia in more than a sporting sense. Just got 250 rounds of wolf slugs to break it in so I can use cheap wallmart turkey shot too. I hope I don't get a lemon one.
Also, when replacing the stock and giving it other upgrades any tips so the ATF doesn't shoot my doggo?
What about magazines? Can't go over ten rounds but are then American made ones total crap? Should I really shell out 70$ for military factory mags?

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>>31626131
Because Vidya games and movies. Go suck a butt nogunz

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>Vepr-12
>Magpul Zhukov
Tell why this isn't the best idea /k/?

>>31626170
32 rounds of full auto buckshot. Nothing can beat that.

>>31626131
Can you please fuck off noguns.

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>>31624729

SPAS 15 is the best
period

>mag fed
>reliable
>ergo
>semi

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Any info you can give me on the Rem 1100? Getting one of my grandpa's bird guns since he doesn't shoot anymore.

>>31623834
>giving a shit about 922r

>>31627244
>admitting on the internet that you don't follow laws

>>31626131
only if it's full auto faggot, post your class 3 ffl license and then we will talk about whether or not its better for you to own that one

>>31623973
If they care so much about 922r then why hasnt an individual gun owner ever been prosecuted, much less convicted, of violating it?

>>31627184
Idk about newer production 1100s. But older ones really were sweet guns. Pre 1980s models were very nice, well shooting guns, classic case of 'they just don't make 'em like they used to'. Back when walnut stocks, beautiful blue, and a little engraving came stock, no extra charge

>>31623899
I refuse to buy anything from t*rks and you too should be weary of """"people"""" who are openly hostile to Western/European civilization. I was pissed when I discovered ZQ .308 was made by roaches but glad I only bought a couple boxes.

>>31623826
Inertial is far better than gas for practical uses. An inertial gun will work long after the M4 gas system is gunked up.

>>31625992

hanging around 3gun shooters with open-class VEPR/Saigas tells me otherwise.

pump guns are almost bulletproof. the M4 is pretty damn close.

>>31627646

eh... gas should work with a wider variety of shells, and it's much less weight-dependent than inertial. that makes it better for 3gun, however, given that you're shooting a smaller range of shells and not hanging side saddles or lights off of your M2/M3k

>>31624375
There have been 922r convictions but they were to date accompanied by a list of other gun crimes.

>>31626241

6 rounds
jam
2 rounds
jam

>>31626241
yes, a gun that fires when you pull the trigger

>>31624856
You have the moral reasoning of a child. No, you should not do something just because it's the law. The 2nd ammendment supersedes 922r anyway if you want to be autistic.

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>>31625968

>superior for old-man jazzercise with guns and fudd shit

ALERT THE MARINES

>>31626308
buying one friday for $3k, just wish the barrel wasn't so long

wait for shotshow

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2015/0096213.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20150089855.pdf

Ruger has a semi auto with a removable tube mag in the works

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>>31629004
>Ruger

>>31629017
dude they're hitting on all cylinders.

RPR, All American rifles, 10/22 takedowns, Mk.4 .22 pistols, the LCR, the LCP, etc

>>31627337
It's an addon law.
>>31624750
k

922r is something you should learn about if you plan on owning a Benelli m4.

>>31626308
It's a brick.

>>31623826
Beretta

>>31629084

Your first two get BTFO by Savage every day of the week, any precision shooter that isn't a tactical memester or a poorfag in the Americans case would agree.

The LCR and LCP? Is this 2005?

So...there .22's are alright. Good for Ruger and their .22's.

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>>31627316
>following bullshit laws
I bet you drive exactly the speed limit everywhere you go faggot

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>>31629155
>http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20150089855.pdf

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ITT: Neo/k/ attempts to get other anons to admit to breaking 922r compliance.

>>31623834
>>31623826
Wrong
Older benelli is more adjustable barrelwise etc. M2 or m3 cant recall. Either way I bought a vepr 12 instead.

>>31628977

have you ever shot 3gun?

you do realize one of the best ways to make up time on a 3gun stage is to just run faster than people, right?

>>31624707
>>31624375

What if we do what the potheads did and just fucking do it anyways in so vast a number that in the end its like fine fucking leave it then? Bamm legal

>>31624720

All that effort to make something with only six rounds and is double-action only.

Also

>goodbye wrist

>>31623946
Agreed, I've owned my
>memester Jerry Miculek approved
For awhile now and it's pretty good. Cycles everything, pretty easy to maintain for an auto shotty and there are enough accessories for it to please any Gq.

>>31624720
Hey, it's still badass looking on the underside of an ar.

>>31626158
Just get two sgm mags nigga they have a lifetime warranty anyways so fuck the haters and break your shit in. After you do that then come tell us whats up.

Vepr 12, > 350 shells buckshot through it with a modified choke. No failures, 5 rd original mag, 12 rd sgm feeds fine is a little tight and doesnt drop free, 8rd russ.
I dont shoot birdshot because its no fun.

>>31627646
Hope you dont put a heavy light, or heavy/CHEAP red dot on your railz bro. Hate to see your shotty choke on its spaghetti. Inertia *wanking motion

>>31627316
>Sir, the nsa has just informed our department that an anonymous shitposter on 4chan has announced possible ownership of a firearm that may not comply with US trade regulations
>BY GOD! THAT'S EVIDENCE IF I'VE EVER SEEN ANY.

>>31629004

That thing sounds fucking ridiculous lol.

>>31629581

I have two 930s. I'm pleased with them for the price (got them for about $600 a piece a few years ago which totally blows out the spaghettis and Versa Max).

I think they're a pain in the dick to clean, though. I also don't like the cheapo magazine plug (which are now gone on both guns leaving the spring ready to put an eye out), and honestly I have had issues with the feed ramps locking up. When I let my no-guns friends use it they ghost-load it all the time. Can't do tacticool slug changeovers easily, either.

>>31623899
Fuck no just because Stoeger has I so9000 certs and is owned by Beretta doesn't mean I trust their guns. Seen to many go to shit after anything more than a few seasons waterfowling.

>>31624720
Worthless

>>31625314
By what metric?

>>31626131
You know the USAS-12 exists and is a better version of that literal meme gun. I hate using that word but that's all it is and it was retarded from day one

>>31626241
Anything beyond 75 yard or dressed in anything tougher than denim can beat that. Like rifle plates or the now ubiquitous carbine

>>31624809
I have a Scorpion EVO. All of the US made parts have different cuts. I can identify evert piece on sight. My NPAP isn't like that but I bet if I got paid to investigate that shit I could source parts.

>>31624856
This. I know it's horse shit and 922r is bogus but I don't want people thinking they can say fuck it. The BATFE has shown time and time again they are hostile towards us and that they are the enemy. I don't trust them and don't want good people locked up because they wilfully ignored the law.

You edge lord faggots sit safely at home and tell other people to break the law with guns you'll never own. You're fucking clowns. Help one another or fuck off.

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Out of all the shotguns I have owed benelli super black eagle is my favorite. Its probably because I do alot of duck hunting but I never had an issue with it and it takes 3 1/2 in shells.

>>31623826
Vepr-12.
>it's an AK
>it's a shotgun
>it actually fucking works and has a pistol grip out of the box
>also comes with a rail if you need to tacticool it up

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>>31624729
Wow almost like mine

>>31630545
wheres your fucking trigger

>>31632227
>Marlin 60

His plastic trigger guard probably broke

>>31629155
>Hating on Ruger
You're almost certainly confusing them with Remington.

>>31626229

Because none of the magpul furniture will fit a Vepr

Does anyone know if benelliparts.net is legit? It says all the parts come from Benelli USA...

Speaking of which I know Benelli is H&K levels of shit when it comes to civilians owning their guns but why not manufacture American made magazine tube bodies, followers, forends, and stocks and then convert the guns themselves?

It would be no different than when Arsenal in Las Vegas imported Saiga rifles and then converted them right?

>>31634358
>I know Benelli is H&K levels
They really aren't. I actually laughed at that comment. How can you possibly even say Benelli is remotely close to HK.
>why not manufacture American made magazine tube bodies, followers, forends, and stocks and then convert the guns themselves?
No market.

>>31634384
Because they are? Benelli refuses to sell the collapsible stock despite the fact there's nothing illegal about it. They feel it should be reserved for military and law enforcement only. Right up there with H&K on the whole "because you suck and we hate you" attitude towards civilians.

>>31635870
>Benelli refuses to sell the collapsible stock despite the fact there's nothing illegal about it.
They do sell it and the reason they don't sell it "direct" is because of 922r compliance. The stock is illegal if you install it on its own.

Let me know when HK ever brings over a direct copy of a US issued weapon.

let me know when HK lets me buy a close to exact or exact modern issued gun at all.

Let me know when HK doesn't permanently alter their guns.


Don't even begin to say any company is close to how absolutely shit HK is. HK is worse than Hillary.