Middle East Thread "WWIII EDITION"

>>31616215
AKA we got cucked by the Russians

>>31616215

Is there any chance of the Afghan central government collapsing? I just don't see how we can prop them up indefinitely while they're losing more and more ground to the Taliban.

>>31617342
>USA
>losing backwaters
What else is new?

Anyway, they won't be able to hold out indefinitely.

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>>31616321
>>31616215
>>31617342
Why do we care even a little bit? We've turned a blind eye to brown people getting killed for generations. I say let the russians level it all and have one fewer failed state to worry about.

>>31617342

I don't think it will collapse, the autonomy of provincial afghanistan will just get greater.

There are always many tribes and groups to play Game of Thrones Afghanistan edition.


In regard to Syria, what happened to the besieged terrorist pocket in Aleppo? Can Vlad just flatten it?

Is Russia declaring their own no fly zone yet?

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Raqqa Fried Chicken (RFC) continues business despite losing one of its stores in Manbij.

>>31616321
>AKA we got cucked by the Russians

Darn those Russians for interfering with a jihadist takeover.

>>31616215
It's a lot of posturing. Putin has already successfully stared the gangsters down. When a certain African tried to do this it was years ago and his military nonviolently mutinied, posting anonymous refusals on Zuckbook.

T

>>31617981
Looks delicious honestly.

>>31616215
I don't understand why the Obama administration cares so much about Syria. This goes beyond saving face and into stupidity. We should be thanking the Russians for helping Assad steamroll the opposition, because this will end the fucking war sooner, stopping the flow of immigrants into the EU.

What the Hell is there to gain with fucking Assad and Russia over? It makes no sense.

>>31618525
That would be a public embarrassment and piss off saudi friends.

>>31618543
I thought Obama Admin hated Saudis though, which is why they went through with the Iran deal.

>>31618585
Maybe they did hate them, but not hard enough, apparently. Iran deal needed a reboot anyway.

>>31617981
that's some good looking fried chicken, 2bh.

>>31617342
The government can hold Kabul and some of the other major areas indefinitely as long as we fund them and provide all kinds of support (also indefinitely)

but if things continue as they are currently, and I see no reason why they won't, like 50% or more of the country will be de-facto Taliban controlled pretty soon.

And the "government" side will gradually become more and more composed of non-Pashtun warlords.

Aka Afghanistan will go back to being exactly what it has always been.

>>31616215
what is that sexy thing

>>31618585
Actually the problem with middle east is that if you do not speak to iran it activates hezbollah and pisses off jews. So basically you have to deal with Iran to have less instability on the region, but you have to be friends with saudis for financial reasons, but they create instability in the region. Its a fucking mess.

>>31616321
Fuck fighting ww3 over Syria.

>>31618946
Fucking VHS

>>31618946
how did they get their hands on a vhs-2

>>31618946
Fucking NATO scums arent even trying anymore.

>>31618967
>implying

Butthurt-belt has americunt dicks so far up their ass... The question should be rather why we see this shit only now.

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>>31618983

Saudi, Qatar shekel.

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>>31617981
>slow news day in the dawla
>run stories on fried chicken and ostrich races

Id actually watch that

How's Hama going?

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sand crawler bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohCN23kiFAg

>>31620316
How resilient are these things?

Saudis blew up a funeral, US reviewing support for this clusterfuck.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-security-coalition-pressure-idUSKCN1290JM

>>31620302
Ahrar al Sham and Jund al Aqsa went to war with each other so the entire new rebel offensive collapsed and SAA just walked in and reclaimed most of the land the rebels have taken in recent weeks, because all the rebels abandoned the front line to kill each other.

ARE YOU GUYS WATCHING

>>31620752
what heppenings?

>>31620774

the debate is about Syria now

>>31620804
what's the gist?

>>31620819

Trump said "you don't know who the rebels are" and "Syria and Russia and Iran are fighting ISIS"

Hillary said "i support arming the kurds"

>>31620575
Jund are hilarious. I fully expect them to declare total war against themselves at some point.

>>31620835
Oh man, Hillary is a fucking tool.

>>31620888

Trump also said "Syrians are fighting ISIS, i don't like Assad but he's fighting ISIS"

Hillary went on and on about Russians destroying Aleppo and humanitarian crisis.

>>31620835
>Hillary said "i support arming the kurds"
Holy shit Erdogan probably burned his chair completely.

>>31620835
How on earth would arming the Kurds have any effect on the rest of Syria?

>>31620935
65 thousand Kurds armed with US weapons and marxist ideology will rek anything.
t. Hillary

>>31620957

I guess if destroying the place is the end goal and you can no longer support ISIS, arming the kurds is the next best way to do it.

>>31620398
So is John McCain calling for a no-fly zone over Yemen to protect the people who are getting slaughtered.

>>31620935
it wouldn't, but it would help Kurds with independence once ISIS collapses; it's the gift they get for being the least incompetent on-the-ground ally the US has against ISIS

>>31620957
They are also terrorists in Turkey. US supporting communist terrorists.

>>31621288
I am not sure about that. I mean syrian kurds are definitely more reliable than syrians sunnis that immediately defect to Nusra and ISIS, but i am not sure they are as competent as peshmerga, i do not really remember any performance to speak of from them. I may be wrong, though.

Been living under a rock for a couple months, how have the Iranian backed interests in Iraq been coming along?

>>31616215
Middle East Thread and it's not /pol

>>31621349

i think they''ve themselves expressed they're not really looking to have their own state because they do have infighting and a very loose confederation.

the US should only need to guarantee that the Syrian and Iraqi governments will respect a level of that independence. That's gonna be hard without getting involved further, though.

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>>31621388
>Iranian backed interest

they have become the iraqis anon

>>31621594
Again, i am not sure, but i vaguely remember something about Assad actually promising them independence or autonomy.

>>31621659
o-oh

>>31621682

before the stupid squabbles over villages that saw YPG and SAA militias shoot eachother last month, we considered them as allies rather than unwilling allies, but then again, the speed in which they sorted out their differences and stopped fighting is something to be said about the Kurds and Assad's willingness to cooperate.

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SOON LADS

>>31616215
>WWIII EDITION

In your dreams Mandic bro

>>31621732
>tfw US ships always get btfo in the gulf/med

lmao functional CIWS when

Petro dollars are the only reason the US cares about the middle east.

>>31621732
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/09/us-navy-ship-uss-mason-targeted-in-failed-missile-attack-from-yemen.html

"USS Mason detected two inbound missiles over a 60-minute period while in the Red Sea off the coast of Yemen. Both missiles impacted the water before reaching the ship," Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis said.

So I guess possibilities are jamming, hitting their range limit, or they fucked up their sea-skimming and just hit the water.

>>31616321
>AKA we got cucked by the Russians

Not really since we were never that involved against Assad that much anyway, contrary to what the tinfoil hat brigades and Russian propaganda says.

In fact, our fairly limited covert actions against Assad were downright embarrassing, almost as if Obama wanted them to fail but allowed them just to appease the CIA spooks.

The only way we are being cucked is because we refuse to back down at the UN when we really have no business sticking our nose in the conflict as we hold no cards.

>>31621945
It clearly says "attempted" in the tweet, implying either the ship countered the missiles or the missiles failed.

>>31621963
Whoa, I skip out most of Sunday and a US navel ship is attacked. That's what I love about this. The mid east is always full of surprises.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-security-usa-ship-idUSKCN12A082

I still have questions, this is the first time I have read news of a attack.

>>31621995
They just hit the water.

The missiles probably weren't even fired in the right direction and just ran out of fuel.

Fastqm sniping kids in Aleppo stadium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-djPP51ACCg

>>31621732
More information.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/politics/yemen-us-navy-targeted/

>The missiles were fired at the USS Mason from Houthi-controlled territory in war torn Yemen, Capt. Jeff Davis said. The US ship deployed "onboard defensive measures" and was undamaged, he said.

>The warship was in international waters more than 12 nautical miles (22 km) offshore, in the southern end of the Red Sea, north of the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, according to a defense official.

So, jamming?

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>>31622007
Houthis must be steaming mad in the aftermath of the funeral strike. The list of military men killed in the funnel is pretty long. At least the Saudi fighter jets committed a war crime by bombing some actual military targets this time... even if it was a funeral.

>>31622182
more combat effective than most of the russian strikes in syria

:^)

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>>31622146


Gee, where have I heard this before?...

Houthis in Mecca by Friday

Anyone watch the debate, good answers by Trump, hillary outing herself as a rebel arming warmonger.

>>31622258
It seems that the only Russian plane actually doing any accurate bombing via GLONASS is the Su-34, everything else seems to just be aerial artillery shit

And the cruise missile carrier planes just seem to have been rolled out to look good on TV, these aren't used for your everyday bombing

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>>31622334

>>31622375
You would think the candidate that wants to cooperate with assad and russia instead of arming moderate headchoppers would at least earn some respect.

>>31622405
the media has been instructed to support an intervention in Syria.

some fucker got the bright idea to fire on a us naval vessel in the middle east. confirmed on Russia today and defcon http://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6805&p=62562#p62562

>>31622146
Does anyone think these missiles were the same Chinese anti ship missiles (C-802) that hit UAEs navel ship last week?

>>31622329
well gulf of tonkin wasn't a false flag but a false report but the president acted on it before they found out nothing happened.

I doubt we will do anything about Yemen,

>>31622026

Most likely the ASMs people hype up don't work vs modern US navy ships.

>>31622447
how did that ship fare?

>>31622567
fine they missed most likely jammed or taken out by CIWS

>>31622567
I know the ship was set ablaze and towed in, after that the UAE kept quiet about casualties or anything else related to it.

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>>31622567
>>31622592
Think he was talking about the Swift.

And to answer your question, it blew the fuck up, but it literally didn't have any weapons or air defenses so that's to be expected.

>>31622609
damn nigguh
is there an hd vid anywhere

>>31622629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTNeEYlO3Iw

>>31622642
Damn that would be scary.

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>>31622690
It'd bet that most, if not all of the crew were killed; certainly everyone on the bridge would have been a goner:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/5448/images-show-a-badly-damaged-hsv-2-swift-following-attack-off-yemeni-coast

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>>31622629
>no casualties reported

>>31622725
no casualties fuck all dem annons died in a training accident

>>31622718
They're claiming the entire crew was foreigners?

Any videos posted yet? Houthis love videos.

>>31622760
knowing the UAE, it probably was

>>31622725
that's just the UAE trying to deny they lost what is the real world equivalent of a barbarian vs. modern navy engagement in Civ 5

>>31622760
actual UAE citizens are lazy porch monkeys (tent camels?) with cushy lives from gov subsidies. it wouldnt surprise me if the crew was mostly foreign

>>31622843
It's their own fault for nor protecting it properly desu.

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How do we solve the Russia problem?

>>31622725
>>31622718
The missile hit the bow, then the fire took out the bridge.

There wasn't a massive explosion that killed the crew, they had an uncontrolled fire and the UAE navy can't into fire control.

>>31622866
you do know how many fucking kilograms of high explosives and fuel anti ship missiles carry right, at least 100kg, at the minimum plus fuel.. on an unarmored ship that is bound to kill someone

>>31622848
to be fair, who the hell expected a bunch of backwater sandniggers to get their hands on and properly use AShMs?
They probably thought they owned the sea 100%.

>>31622894
You also know how explosions work? If the blast was focused through the bow then most of the ship and crew would be fine.

>>31622911
Israel made the same mistake back in 2006 and ran around with their air defenses turned off. They almost lost a ship for it.

>>31622642
>quick get out your phone and play the nasheed bro

>>31622998
fucking millennials

>>31618525
Syria represents some bizarre intersection of Saudi/Gulf Arab/Israeli interests while also being an Iranian/Hez ally. I don't think the US knows what it's doing, it's just on autopilot at the moment with no thought of what comes next even though they could pretty accurately predict what will happen by looking at Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya.

>>31623374
>I don't think the US knows what it's doing

The thing is, they really haven't done that much to Syria at all

see
>>31621978

Not much new in Syria today that isn't already a major front however Damascus is looking especially active this morning with fighting around Yarmouk camp, Jobar, greater eastern Ghouta and the last pocket in western Ghouta in Derkhabia town. It does serve as a reminder to me of pockets that have existed a lot longer than the eastern Aleppo pocket.

>>31620835
>>31620909
Wow! Trump not spewing total and utter moronic garbage for once! Pretty refreshing.

In Hama, the SAA captured Ma'an and Kubariyah, followed by losing Ma'an and retaining the second town, after a rebel counter-offensive.

>>31623939
What's the rest of the year gonna be like you think?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rr9zbogisY

great footage on handarat camp now in SAA/Liwa al Quds hands. Shows why this place has been a thorn in the side of the SAA all this time.

>>31622760
UAE population is actually only 20% native. Everyone else is a foreigner that don't have citizenship.

I am not joking.

>>31625480
What a fucking maze of rubble and hills.

>>31625480
my respect to those fighters who went into that fucking hole of shit and rubble to fight there.. must have been a nightmare to dig the enemy out

at this point the former inhabitants can simply build their homes elsewhere..

>>31622360

precision cost a lot of shekels, which russia lacks atm

>>31623435
>they really haven't done that much to Syria at all

No, the Us has funded a rebel army that absolutly decimated the country, which was kind of the goal.

>>31622007
>>31621732
>>31622146

>YFW USN EWAR defenses are so good they don't even have to launch physical countermeasures

>>31622718
>>31622725

>still floating

actually impressive.

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>>31622849
With Memes

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they are evolving

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>>31626028

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>>31626038

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>>31626042

>>31618525
It's a truly bizarre and difficult to understand and explain why
but essentially it always links back to the saudis

>>31624860
Not entirely, it was a shitfit, Trump was aight on Syria
Hillary wants a no fly zone and to arm rebels, because that's totally what stops ISIS

>>31616215
Johnny Five, is that you?

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>>31625261
Not that much left anymore of the year. I'm not sure if anything major will happen, but who knows.
Probably another couple of positions falling in besieged Aleppo, but nothing too dramatic. The SAA might correct the Hama frontline a bit but probably not enough manpower to regain any of the three towns that have fallen. Maybe another suburb or so might surrender around Damascus.
In Northern/Eastern Aleppo, al-Bab might be surrounded, but neither Kurds, SAA or rebels have enough power to take it and ISIS wont retreat there. The kurdish-rebel tensions will continue to be frozen without major combat in the short time.

The interesting question is how 2017 will turn out. Will Aleppo truely fall and how will that influence the war? Will the turkish involvement in Northern Aleppo countryside expand so much, that these turkish-backed rebels will start battle with the SAA? Will Turkey openly attack the Kurds in Afrin or how will the Manbij question be solved? Will a stronger Assad drive the Kurds more into his arm or rather the opposite (assuming they want to presume the status quo)? Will the Southern Front be forced to act with Assad victorious in the north? How will the hard pressed Eastern Ghouta fare? How will enlarged american involvement change the war?
And I also feel like people give too little focus on the battles in Iraq. The syrian war changed massively after the fall of Mosul; and might again when after a hypothetical iraqi victory in Mosul, large numbers of shia militias will be freed and might head down the Euphrates into Deir az Zour to bring ISIS down for good.

Lots of stuff gong on near Hama right now. Apparently the Tiger forces have been dispatched and regained some clay, pushing FSA back and even retaking Maan. However they fell back today.
Current situation is Maan and Kawbab controlled by rebels and Kabbaria held by SAA.
With the fighting between Jund and Al Sham seemingly over, everything is still possible.

>>31621948
Muh petrol dollar tm* oh yes friend. Petroleum dollars...type out exactly what you think that is please.

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Palmyra

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Sirte

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>>31626479

>>31626469
its just scary to see such war machines rolling down the streets of New Jersey.

>>31626509
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>31626361
>seemingly over
It's not over, Ahrar al-Sham has vowed to kill them all, which has led them into a tight spot, because al-Aqsa allied themselves with Nusra/Fateh al-Sham. Also, with the killings, Ahrar found a number of ISIS members under the protection of al-Aqsa in Idlib.

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>>31623939
Monday is ending with a bang. In the last few hours rebels launched a surprise attack in Latakia , very similar to the last one with a few differences. This one is more focused south than the last one.

Their goal is likely similar to the last one by keeping the SAA in check it creates a buffer zone for Jisr ash-Shugur. It also pressures the SAA to reshuffle their forces. Heavy Ruaf strikes now to trying to hold them back. 1st Coastal and JFS are two of the main groups involved.

>>31626642
Those mountains sure are a nightmare for both sides.

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>>31626642
JFS released map , I am not sure how different it is from Step.

>>31624860
Thank you for correcting the record

>>31626642
>>31626682
Man, I expected something different from your first sentence, but its just exactly the same shit on the same hills in front of Kinshaba like always. Damn you for bringing my hopes up.

>>31626361
There are no FSA whatsover at that frontline.

When can we expect Go-Pro livestreaming directly on Youtube from the frontlines? In my lifetime? We have the technoley.

>>31621978
>Not really since we were never that involved against Assad that much anyway,

Nigga, where were you 2012-2013?

>>31620316
Wut is that

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"There is a Syrian refugee problem, largely, because of Russian aggression."

Is HRC correct?

>>31620835
Trump also said he doesn't know Russia but wants to support it.

>>31627299
yes.
if Russia did not intervene, the moderate rebels would be in power and anyone attempting to leave would be beheaded.

>>31622258
Ruskies killed almost all the top rebels so far

>>31622725
Hmmm

>>31622866
If bow = butt end of ship, why is there a massive fucking hole in the front right?

The whole ship exploded when hit>>31622609
At least someone got injured.

>>31627232
Next war with big involvement of western troops

>>31627354
>If bow = butt end of ship, why is there a massive fucking hole in the front right?
wut?
The bow IS the front, stern is the rear. I can only assume this is what you're mixing up because your post makes zero sense any other way.

>>31626296
Except the Russians + allies are going to PUSH HARD until November 8th.

The presidential election ties Obama's hands.

>>31627301
I don't understand economics but I support capitalism over communism.

>>31627354
>If bow = butt end of ship
that's the stern, retard

>>31627388
and then clinton is going to force a non-flight-zone over northern syria and gets the nobel prize for it.

>>31627385
The ship fucking exploded>>31622609
And was left completely burnt out>>31622718
And you claim there were no injuries?

The missile hit a few feet below the bridge.

>>31625976
Ships are hard to sink. Doesn't change the fact that boat is trash now designated for scrapyards.

>>31627420
Hence why I said "if"

I am no expert on ship terminology.

>>31627432
>And you claim there were no injuries?
Where did I ever claim that? You do realise there's more than one other person than you posting on here, right? I merely called out your retardation regarding which end of the ship you're trying to talk about.

>>31622041
So moderate, much democracy.

>>31627462
I literally wrote "if" for a reason>>31627354

If the missile hit the ship's ass = fewer casualties.
If it hit the ship's front = more casualties.

Why, because of the bridge.

>>31621349
I support arming the Kurds because fuck Turkey for destroying the parthenon and taking over the Hagia Sophia.

>>31627682
But we already arm the kurds

>>31622849
There is no solution for the eternal Slav. Out of last 10 generations of my family 9 have fought the Russians.

Last post till the morning updates of a rebel DIY remote controlled DShK. I like the use of the PlayStation 2 controller... Neva ben dun B4

https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/785567117181673473

>>31622849
meanwhile irl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQRDJ1JGVRk

>>31626630
Turns out the anon you responded to was right. Ahrar accepted Jund being absorbed into JFS. Basically Jund al Aqsa was disbanded today. I wouldn't say the fighting is over though. I would guess some of IS sleeper cells are still lurking around Idlib anyway.

>>31628244
youtube link for the remote controlled DShK called the Sham R 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OJrwDXcHuY

>>31626485
I wonder who that guy is.

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>>31626042
>>31626038
>>31626052
>IS has learned how to use the sight adjustment tool on their aks

SAA is fucked

>>31616321
>"We"
Fuck off beheader.

>>31621732
Is this another USS Liberty?

>>31629321
sight adjustment technology has been discovered at the highest levels after a Manhattan Project style crash research program. There was much internal resistance to this project, as rifle sights and their adjustment was never mentioned in the Koran nor the Hadiths, but it's finally paid off. Troops on the ground await instruction on sight usage theory and practice.

some aesthetics as fuck drone footage over aleppo:

https://twitter.com/Paradoxy13/status/785562003054157824

>>31626296
>shia militias will be freed and might head down the Euphrates into Deir az Zour to bring ISIS down for good.

Great, more never ending secterian conflict

Syrian SAA is the only force that should realistically reincorporate ISIS territory in Syria, esp. along the Euphrates

>>31626479
wtf is that thing, is that an old Chinese Type 63???

>>31630528
Syria is pretty much fucked anyways. There's no sense of nationalism or unity to hold the country together, and Assad isn't exactly a charismatic leader. It's still going to be an unstable shithole 10 years from now.

>>31630547
Yeah ofc, and I can easily see the decision being made to use shia militias to launch a campaign along the Euphrates from Iraq, just not too sure if it's a good idea tho

So more constant fighting in Aleppo?

This is the biggest battle in the war. Fighting on all four sides.

R&U Vid has great day by day videos with captions explaining the location and situation of the battle on Youtube.

Here is the October 9th battle for Aleppo on the SAA side.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OpqjlhcUU-g

He also posts Rebel/Jihadist videos.

>>31630656
He also puts awesome music in the videos.

Here is October 8th's battle for Aleppo.

This is real footage with people dying and airstrikes, tanks, VBIEDs.

It's honestly powerful and saddening seeing two forces fight to the death.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_XLKagolnJ0

But it is the only way.

>>31630687
>It's honestly powerful and saddening seeing two forces fight to the death.

Both sides are fighting for what they believe in, whether you disagree with a particular faction or not.

I also don't know if it will be to the death in Aleppo, it may be that the SAA + allies will tighten the siege to such an extend that resistance is basically futile and will allow them to go to Idlib, save having to fight a costly fight to the death street for street. And remember, the fighting in Aleppo will only get worse the more tightly they push the rebels in.

I also can't see the Assad + his foreign backers willing to wait this out in the typical years-long siege akin to Damascus, I think it's all in on this one.

I'm also willing to bet they want Aleppo largely subdued or sufficiently tightened by before the beginning of next year, in time for the next US pres.

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>>31630929

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>>31631004

>>31630814
They are going all out right now, although I thinked they paused after the recent advances took a lot of ammo.

The Northwest and East are falling quickly. The south is a stonewall. The west is minor gains for the SAA.

They better try effectively winning by November 8th.

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>>31631027

>>31630929
Still looks like a civil war is continuing.

Sirte isn't even finished yet

>>31630949
Looks like Syria/Yemen/Iraq/Afghanistan/Somalia.

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>>31631096

>>31631117
The Tobruk government I assume?

>>31631085
All these pics are from Libya and are recent (2015-2016)

Most are from Sirte

>>31631146
I know. I was making the point that the practically the entire middle east is at war right now. All that needs to happen is Saudi's and Iran going to war.

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>>31631146

>>31631171
>dat rust

>>31631144
I believe so but loyalty is to warlords/elites, not to this "government".

So whoever owns this plane (in theory the air force) is actually some warlord largely operating on his own purview.

At least that's what appears to be the case, a fractured country on the national and local level

>>31631154
I see, my mistake

>>31628606
Thanks cool.

>>31631154
Not to mention the massive migrations of those seeking safety from the wars. Jordan and Turkey have a pretty big problem on their hands.

>>31631684
I think above all else, Syria will go down in history as one of the most destabilizing conflicts in the mid east, sometimes I wonder if Western policy towards it should have been containment from day 1.

I was watching this old video from when Idlib city was recaptured back in '15, and one thing struck me: do Muzzies remind anyone of the Monolith faction from STAKER???

Here's the idlib vid, go to 1:40:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1B3mySvzOc

Now watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3CpFECnq4s

Is this just me?

>>31630929
>Tank named "Fury"
Wow, I didnt think American funding meant cultural influence as well

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>>31633565
libya has always had the realist of the real niggas aint no funding needed for that

>>31632637
Well I'm not privy to Western goals in the region so I don't know what they necessarily want out of the whole mess. Having Russia and Iran tied up with the Syria and Iraq situation might be seen as a net positive.

>>31633881

The US just wants to spread chaos and destruction in general here.

Assad fucked with the US once and the spring and ensuing war were seen as an opportunity to get back at him. But things got out of control, and every solution they attempted was a bigger and worse mistake than the last.

The official policy is still "remove Assad" and they are too petty to admit they can't, and shouldn't, go through with it. So they'll fan any flame they can.

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Russia will deliver SAA at least 10 Pantsirs by the end of this year. Medium range SAM designed to intercept things like Taurus, Storm Shadow, JSOW and HARM.

http://izvestia.ru/news/637171#ixzz4Mif17bup
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/pantsyr.htm

Putin and Assad have a very specific deadline in mind, and it's a date of Hillary's inauguration.

>>31634973
>deliver SAA 10 Pantsirs
And watch them do nothing because the SAA refuses to maintain them.

>>31634981
I think Assad is smart to know that he needs to.
Besides its likely that it will be Russian maintaining them using their existing infrastructure from their air bases.

>>31635068
Well its not Assad maintaining it.
Its the grunts on the ground. And lemme tell you, we are slackers.

>>31634469
>out of control

More like wildly sucessful.

The us got an major russian ally to fight a huge US enemy and "moderate" us friendenemys, while dragging iran AND russia into it.

Pretty much every major anti US force is slugging it ou against eachother. Its fucking great.

SAA republican guard along with hezzbollah and Iraqi Shia militia are attacking sheikh saeed. They are saying this is the most men they've put into the fight since the arty college. What ever happens it's gonna get rough

>>31635117
This. People aren't capable of understanding world events beyond two degrees of complexity. This is precisely the intent of the US.

>>31617981

Fuck I'm hungry now...

>>31635138
According to Ivan jund al aqsa and ahar al sham are back fighting again

>>31635151
To lose troops and money and accomplishing nothing?

>>31635174
>all of the anti us middle east factions slugging it out, with a bonus of russia directly invovled.
>nothing

How many us lives were lost...10, most of them full retard jihadies, the others just full retard?

Fucking minimal

>>31635151
>>31635117

>>31635151
Fully agree here. Its always funny to see the rebel-fags screaming about the US being mainly responsible for anything bad happening; and just the same with the Assad crowd. As if the US is hugely involved and behind anything that happens there.

In reality the US doesnt care. Their only problem is really that they are just too powerful and important to be seen as just sitting on the sidelines munching popecorn (like israel does).
So they have to support all the peace efforts, and freeze-of-hostilities and russian-american cooperation and all the other bullshit, while sending a bit of nonlethal aid here and a bit more lethal aid there, and send an adviser or two down to train some no-good rebel for show, and all that makes them look pretty headless and chaotic and bad; while obviously they are not really interested in the whole shitshow besides fighting isis.

Even the whole containment issue is not too bad anymore: Iraq is settling down a bit, the spread of the war into Lebanon or Jordan that everyone feared didnt happen, Israel is mostly left alone and even the kurdish war that Turkey is fighting on their soil is mosly homemade by their own shortsighted policy.

>>31635117

And made them all stronger and more relevant while at it.

>>31635171

Great news!

>>31635545
How the hell has a Hezbollah that is bleeding white, an Iran that has lost uncounted amounts of troops and money or the sad rump state that is Assad-ruled Syria today come out stronger?

The only one who maybe profited might be Russia and even then there is the question if they couldnt have reached their goals -like an enlarged military presence there- way easier otherwise.

>>31634981
Who said anything about Syrians using or maintaining them?
By the end of the war, Russian AA must shoot down a disobeying Jewt, (jewish jet) NATO or US jet in the agreed no-fly area. Pilot will be offered tea before handed to his own.
Russians are using Syria as a showroom for their new or old upgraded slavshit.

>>31635602

Iran has never given a fuck about losing troops, particularly irregular troops, what matters is the experience gained from prolonged fighting and the involvement and power they gained in Syria and Iraq due to their direct aid. Iraq is basically a client state now.

Iran also managed to light a fire under Saudi Arabia's ass with the Houthi uprising. It's been a nonstop win for them.

Russia kickstarted it's military industry back into functioning state, got a long, long list of favors to cash in on later and has used the opportunity as a huge propaganda tool.

Can someone crash course me on Yemen? From what I understand one political faction, Houthis rose against the government, Hadi because of reasons.

So basically Al-Hadi is Assad. But while we ( the /k/ I guess) "support" Assad, we are against Al-Hadi? Because Saudis back his government?

I'm confuuused.

>>31630656
>>31630687
Why is the SAA footage removed?

>>31635076
>implying the russians would let SAA personal only operate their top shit.

There will be russian or at least iranian advisors maintaining these

>>31635634
> Because Saudis back his government?

Exactly.

>>31635685
At least SAA gets to play with shilka's (with radars) and based BUK's.
>Thank you based BUK

>>31635634
nah man yemens all kinda weird, the houthis are pro saleh even though he waged war against them a few times and nobody likes hadi or wants him back (at least im pretty sure) im not so up on yemen though.

>>31618964
>Croatia siding the muslim beheaders
no surprise there.

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https://twitter.com/SimNasr/status/785813596152430592

What do guys think will happen regarding US Syria policy if:

a) Hillary is elected
b) Trump is elected

Please no /pol/ answers, keep it serious and realistic

So when will the Turkey-Iraq war start? After the fall of Mosul?

>>31635890
Why would there be a war?

>>31635896
Iraq is anger about Turk base in the area and Turk won't leave

>>31635902
And Iraq can do shit about it because Iran wouldn't wage a war because of some minor shit like this.

Besides, isn't that base in kurd territory anyway?

>>31635481
>As if the US is hugely involved and behind anything that happens there.

Oh hello USAID

>>31622518
modern, or even near modern ASMs would utterly fuck any modern surface combatant, however nobody who actually has those ASMs would launch them at US navy ships.

>>31618946
That faggot can get a fucking bullpup G36 and my gubmint stops me from buying even a fucking peestal for the sake of having one because I might be dangerous. That faggot IS dangerous, Mrs. Merkel. Explain yourself.

>>31635796
Nope. Croatia supports stupid sandniggers that flee battlefield and leave they shit for IS.
Fixed that for you

General question here.
Why are snadniggers in armies(Saudi, SAA, Iraq) are so fucking shitty at fighting? They flee battlefield nearly always.
And why are sandnigger terrorists so fucking good at fighting?

>>31636133
Motivation.

>>31618957
>>31618957
fukken saved

Does JSOC still have teams floating around Kurdish areas or have they pulled back now?

>>31636133
Dune coon terrorists believe wholeheartedly in their cause. They believe they're fighting for God and country.

Dune coon regulars are fighting on behalf of US puppets for a paycheck.

>>31636133
Because that is their mentality. Also, it's very hard to do trenches there, so you can't just dig in and hold the line.

>>31636802
Thats not entirely true.

It was stated often enough that many "moderates" went to fight for IS simply because IS payed better.

SAA advanced on Kawkab and now controls the town.

>>31636802
Isn't a payhceck good enough motivation not to flee battlefield ?

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>>31636133
There are many reasons, as always, for that, but the principal is motivation, like others anons already said.

In one side you have badly trained and treated like shit conscripts, fighting for relatively young, some 40 to 70-80 years old, government's that generally are some kind of oligarchy, and which dont do the least effort to hide the fact.

In the other side you have mostly volunteers fighters fighting for a dogmatic ethnic/religious cause that is strongly present in their daily lifes since the 7th or 8th centuries.

Which one do you think is more prone to hold the line during the heat?

Nationalism is not born overnight, it needs to be built gradually through time. Again, the majority of the arab national governments are pretty young, only appearing in the middle of the 20th century. They also suffered from the constant violent change of governments, starting as improvised monarchies made of local tribes that soon are overthrown by revolutions, followed by a convulsion of military coups, and sectarian estrangement that make it difficult to build any kind of nationalist sentiment.


This video should also be usefull:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZk4Yu42g0I

>>31637117
Money vs. Getting decapitated? Are you jewish?

Not much new in Syria as they head into evening. There was some back and forth on the Hama front at the village of Kawkab. Really the battle lines in Hama after all is said and done have not changed since Jund got into a war with the rest of the rebels there and they lost some of the rural villages. Also yesterdays Latakia attacks have stalled or rebels have not moved from their initial points.

Lastly Turkish backed FSA rebels continue to close up on IS in northern Aleppo slowly but surely. IS still on the run out of northern Aleppo although the FSA is taking it slow with Turkish military assistance.

>>31637395
Forgot there was a Su-22 damaged by some type of AA fire and had to make a emergency landing at the Hama airport. It's unclear what damaged it.

>>31636688
They're still training the Kurdish CT units and SF still embeds with the YPG, trying to keep the kurds and turks from killing each other

>>31618525
Because they just want Assad (friend with Russia) gone, even if it means turning Syria into a non-State like they did Libya, and a guarantee thats what Hillary will do.

>>31635889
>Trump
General deescalation, terrorists lose, they are forced to the negotiation table, Syria whole again, ruled under a coalition government with Assad on one side.
>Satan
WW3

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>BRRRRRRRRRRTT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk2HPOehx70

>>31637468
>Su-22

You really deserve to be shot down if you're still flying this.

>>31633881
You mean ceding Syria/Iraq/Lebanon to Iran and Russia?

>>31637992
Lebanon has always been a lost cause anyways.

>>31635117
>The us got an major russian ally to fight a huge US enemy

Wut

1. US didn't "get" anyone to do anything.
2. Iraq is now Iran's proxy state.
3. Syria was major Iranian ally, and now is an Iranian proxy.
4. Russia got to test weaponry and prove its abilities.
5. It showed its allies that Russia will back them up.

>>31635247
Wait so which so-called "anti-US" factions are "slugging it out"?

You seem to be delusional.

>>31635481
>As if the US is hugely involved and behind anything that happens there.
>In reality the US doesnt care

Holy fuck this is delusional

>>31635602
>How the hell has a Hezbollah that is bleeding white,
Hezbollah is not "bleeding white" you delusional faggot.
>an Iran that has lost uncounted amounts of troops
Maybe 1000-2000?
>and money
LMAO got a source? This was a cheap war for Iran.
>or the sad rump state that is Assad-ruled Syria today come out stronger?
The "sad rump state" is currently conquering back all its lost territory, and is WAY BETTER than the Sunni terrorist hellhole it would have been.
>The only one who maybe profited might be Russia
Maybe? They are making huge geopolitical gains in Syria. They are signaling an ability to project power, a willingness to defend their allies, and bludgeoning America's pride.
>and even then there is the question if they couldnt have reached their goals -like an enlarged military presence there- way easier otherwise.
If Syria had fallen apart, like it looked like it was going to in August 2015, Russia would have never been able to put a base there. Syria would be an Al-Qaeda/Chechen terror haven, and they hate Russia.

You are fucking delusional.

There is a reason the US is crying so much in the UN and funneling so much arms and training to its proxies in Syria.
And there is a reason Iran and Russia decided to intervene.
Your delusional mind can't seem to comprehend that INTELLIGENT PEOPLE are deciding to follow these policies FOR A REASON.

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Hama cleanup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBrCh2GD50s

>>31638019
>>31638031
>>31638039
>>31638087
Didn't know you were open at night. Seriously fuck off putinist bots.

>>31635675
Must've made them private later that day because they are not his own work.

R&U Vid on youtube has a whole bunch of videos from the same three Russians in Syria still up though. Just look at his channel. It's great.

>>31635889
Hillary? Maybe a no-fly zone and more support for the rebels. Definitely more hawkish, but I doubt a war.
Trump? He'll end the rebel training and call for more concentration on just ISIS. He'll coordinate with Russia against Nusra, but if he gets slighted he'll turn on Russia.

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>>31638123
Someone sounds triggered

>>31627423
Doubt that. Un wont do shit because russian veto. Nato cant do shit because russia is involved.

Basically mean words from whoever is in charge and more and more red lines.

>>31626509
>Scary war Machines
>>>Tumblr
Seriously, if you think that 'war machines' are scary, you should leave this board and never come back. Those machines are beautiful and they deserve to be treated equally. Stop the war machine shaming!

>>31638123
None of them even sounds like one you liberal nigger faggot

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>>31638120
This is a good picture to go along with your video of killed rebels in Hama. Also a rebel video of Maan. Maan being the ex SAA fortress was attacked over and over again before rebels took it. Now the Saaf is bombing it. This video is a guy walking around the village today showing the place absolutely devastated. At the end of the video he runs up on some rebels and they look like they have seen some shit. The front line is very close as air strikes come in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kokpDfC4KwE

tl;dr shit in Hama is intense yo

>>31628752
The camo of his pant they he is italian

>>31637468
I heard it was an su24 and a manpad may have been involved. Also some French special forces and Kurdish troops got killed with a drone full of explosives. Isis is still creative.

Also east ghouta is looking pretty good for the SAA today I'll have to go find that map agian

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>>31638719
Source on dead frogs?

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>>31638719
https://twitter.com/alexmello02/status/785851105422999552
One of the tweets about the French SOF

https://twitter.com/raytheonunited/status/785908063567945728
The FSA apparently were given ground tracking radar

>>31638820
I missed eastern Ghouta paying so much attention to Hama. I suppose Tel Kurdi is going to be a big showdown.

More Hama news as the SAA has officially taken Kawkab and pro SAA sources say they are advancing on Sawran. New TOW video from Hama today also shows the SAA didn't go without their loses either with a apparent direct hit on a tank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=694bzF69jkc&feature=youtu.be

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>>31638123
Seems like someone can't handle facts. That is unless your counter argument is more then just calling the other a shill you kike.

>>31638087
You're right about most point except this one:
>LMAO got a source? This was a cheap war for Iran.

No it was far from cheap. But the US pretty much funded Iran at the crucial point as they were running out of money.

>According to the United Nations envoy to Syria, Staffan de Mistura, the Iranian government spends at least $6 billion annually on maintaining Assad's government. Nadim Shehadi, the director of the Fares Center for Eastern Mediterranean Studies at Tufts University, said that his research puts the actual number at $15 billion annually.

That's just Syria and in 2015, probably closer to 20bn/year by now.
A couple of Billions go to Hezballah in Lebanon and several billions more in Iraq.
Hard to guess how much the Iranian involvment in Yemen costs them, but probably less than a Billion/year.
Then there are the Iranian actions in Bahrain and Kuwait.

All in all I'd guess 20-25% of the Iranian budget is spent on maintaining all these conflicts, throw in the cost of maintaining their military and you get figures upwards of 30% easily.

The only reason they can do this is the Iran deal.
Before the deal was made it got so bad that Iranians started protesting their gov spending abroad.

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>>31630540

No its a beat to shit Steyr 4K 7FA G 127 APC (Austria).

Was produced in the 60's, looks like that thing doesn't even have proper headlights. It has a metal bar welded to the front for some reason.

>>31639279
is that from that same sand embankment drone photo posted a thread or so ago?

>>31639279
Welp tell kurdi is now officially cut off

>>31639982
Wow also Jihadis in east ghouta apparently want to take a deal to get up to idlib but leadership is refusing

>>31639279
>>31640000
5star take a look at this shit

https://twitter.com/syria_rebel_obs/status/785956896498782208

>>31640010
To end the updates I got, apparently the ship that the houthis allegedly fired on launched 2 sm-2 missiles and a single sea sparrow to defend its self

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>>31618946
>Gubment gives Helghast gun to Jihadis but won't allow you to own AK-style weapons but Vz. or Norinco are ok
I don't even know what's real any more...

>>31640010
What that things are going badly in eastern Ghouta? I said in one of these threads years ago eastern Ghouta was fucked back in 2013 or something. I am surprised they lasted this long. JAI had a much bigger army than I knew of and they still do. I spoke too soon then and that twitter source is speaking too soon now. They still have their core areas like Doma and by some military miracle they still hold Jobar.

>>31618373
you missed the F key man

>>31640266
On the topic of Jobar how is it possible after all these years and the fuck ton of assaults and ordnance dropped on it the SAA still can't take it. It's beyond belief.

>>31622849
>How do we solve the Russia problem?
You could always try a large scale land invasion in mid October. This should work!

Hello when is ww3

>>31640266
>>31640350
Easy there man I wasn't attacking you I just thought it was kinda crazy. This is just seemed to be some recent pressure and now some of the grunts are asking to go to idlib

>>31640501
in 5 mins
check my 6

>>31640516
No I wasn't getting mad at you, you wanted me to look at it. The twitter source is jumping on the most recent SAA victory in eastern Ghouta and claiming that hundreds of fighters want to withdraw to Idlib? I doubt it's true and I was the first to say the situation in eastern Ghouta was untenable years ago.

>>31618946

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

>>31637511
Thanks. It's bizarrely hard to find proper up to date information on US activities in the region sometimes. Guess they don't like to say what they're up.

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>>31618967
Iraqi SWAT bought a bunch of them
Probably either a battlefield pickup or a corrupt officer sold them

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>>31641789

>>31635889
>Hillary
More funding, more "incidents", more scandals, maybe more war, and more tensions between us and Russia
>Trump
More active anti-ISIS role, no more Syrian proxy war, better relationship with Russia, liberal butthurt

>>31640104
Wasn't it at night? I bet those sailors shit themselves when battlestations rang out while missiles starting rattling off.

>>31622375
you have the klan hood on the wrong candidate, only hillary klanton has direct ties to the kkk

>>31630929
Ben Affleck's Fury

>>31637145
>In the other side you have mostly volunteers fighters fighting for a dogmatic ethnic/religious cause that is strongly present in their daily lifes since the 7th or 8th centuries.

These tend to me the most highly motivated and with high morale, and dare I say it, somewhat competent on the battlefield, even if they are insane fanatics

>>31639697
Cheers man

>>31643345
Domestically produced rifles yeah?
Wonder what kind of MOA they do...

>>31641798
Afghanistan: no doubt a foreign policy success

What groups in Afghanistan are true loyalists (as in to the "government")? Are they the Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras?

Or is it that loyalty is more on a local level, village by village?

>>31643642

Everyone is loyal to their villages first, everyone not Pashtun dislikes each other but is against the Pashtun when they present themselves.

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Uhmm you guys

Is shit about to get real?

>zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/russian-government-officials-told-immediately-bring-back-children-studying-abroad

>>31644167
it's just more political posturing.

>>31643453
Yes, that was my point.

>>31626469
Russia just got a new digital camo and I guess this is the desert version!!!

>>31644065
Why not just grant fair and equal autonomy to each ethnic majority area and then have a legislature that fairly represents every group based on ethnic percentage of population? Or is it that the eternal Pashtun wants to take over everything?

On the village level you could have them come together and be represented in a regional council/local council or something.

I know it's more complicated than this but Lebanon did it somewhat

>>31644734
>Why not just grant fair and equal autonomy to each ethnic majority area
>equal
And your idea collapses instantly.
Tribe A has historically had more influence/prestige than Tribe B so obviously feels they should have greater influence in your new regional council because anything else would be an affront to their heritage. B is really not very keen on this, and C that has traditionally had little influence will have nothing to do with anything other than 100% equality because that would result in a large net gain in their relevance.
Now multiply those issues by 50x or more, and none of them have any reason to work with you on this anyway so you either need a strong military to force them to toe the line or a bottomless budget to keep bribing them to play the game and you're just scratching the surface of the issues. Not even touching that there will be many deep blood feuds that have lasted for generations between some parties that will mean they are vehemently opposed to even being in the same room as each other. The whole community councils thing was tried and at best they barely held together when the country was occupied and everyone was throwing money in by the bucketful to try and buy peace.

tl/dr they'd generally rather continue shouting and shooting at each other as they have for all time than talk

>>31644877

Why not balkanize the place and be done with it? Tribes that get along blenda up, tribes that dont form uneasy but respected and zealously defended borders.

After a while the wealthier, more peaceful and prosperous places will develop far beyond the shitty ones and eventually stop being so idiotically aggressive and sectarian, then the shit ones will have a hard time going against them and will have to develop or die too.

>>31644734
That would make too much sense and too little money for US government contractors.

>>31644877
Yeah, guess the country is really broken beyond repair and should've been avoided at all costs

>>31643621
They're Iranian, I heard they're 1.5/2 Moa. Sounds about right I've seen some vids of guys making shots on people from pretty far

>>31645362
Not bad. Certainly better than I expected.

>>31644954
Whilst I wouldn't call Afghanistan a failed state akin to Somalia, it has however long been a "Wild West" state with little to no central authority

Best to just contain it and not go anywhere near it