How does /k/ feel about Panzergrenadier?

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>>31613147

>>31613147
I liked ALB more. It had a larger variety of valid units and factions.

I just got this game today, what am I in for

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>>31613185
Butthurt teammates. Absolutely everyone will hate you for being shit.

>>31613147
Good for close in ambushes and town/city fights, and if you bring Marders they can be decent backup. Still pretty expensive.
>>31613185
What
>>31613192
Said. Also you will learn to respect artillery of all kinds.

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>>31613147
The best Mid- Late tier infantry in the game desu

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>>31613147
>how do i feel about Panzergrenadiers

Fuckign western shitters
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>game updates
>eugen removes half units of each of my decks

>>31613298
Stopped playing ded dragon a year ago. What did Eugen do?

>make a great niche game
>it sells well
>refuse any suggestions from customers
>make modding hard as fuck
>proceed to make a bland old-style RTS instead of milking the cow
Was it autism?

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>>31613326
Countless things.
They added NORAD (US/Canada), Landjut (Germany/Denmark), Soviet-Korean alliance (USSR, NK), Netherlands, Dutch-German Korps (Netherlands/Germany) and Israel as countries.
Lots of other changes in terms of activation points, unit price, unit stats, etc.
Israel is overpowered.

>>31613368
Christ that p2w.

>>31613342
Knowing Eugen, probably yes

>m-muh c&c nostalgia

>>31613368
>>31613381
It's an old image from before the dlc was released.

>>31613381
Hardly, Jews are not invincible.

The Lahat and front armor won't protect you if your flanks fail.

>>31613368
2 ATGM F&F missiles from 150p plane will destroy it like it's nothing
or flank it, it has 60 km speed and T-55-tier side armour

>>31613432
And when do the flanks ever fail? The tanks automatically turn towards the highest threat and they spot ATGMs the instant they take flight. Successful flanking pretty much requires the enemy to fail.

>>31613444
And what if one missile misses and the plane is shot down?

>>31613453
My point was simply, it's not OP.

It's one of the best super heavies in the game, yes. But it, like all the others, can get memed on by ATGMs, Infantry and other tanks that have side shots.

The enemy fails all the time, it's part of winning.

>>31613479
>The enemy fails all the time, it's part of winning.
I would like to win by outwitting, outperforming and outskilling the opponent, instead of because he fucks up ridiculously. Wargame is way too much a battle of statistics for my tastes.

>>31613147
fuck i will go that game right away

>>31613368

>Israel is OP

not really. They have dogshit infantry and no decent AA. Also, their tanks are outclassed by the Soviets.

If you can avoid Spikes and close in with infantry, you win. Also, like I said, shit AA, so if you can avoid their AS fighters you can bomb them relentlessly.

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>>31613626
>Also, their tanks are outclassed by the Soviets

Tell that to the mix of T-80Us, T-72s and T-55s that bum rushed my 6 Merkava 1s and lost every one of their tanks for none of mine. Israeli tanks are absolutely god tier and with their awesome rocket artillery choices makes for a very potent combination.

>They have dogshit infantry and no decent AA. Also

I'd agree with this. I personally use Israeli militia with a Bedoin unit to get any results and frankly the horrid AA is nothing short of a nightmare. That said, you get some pretty good fighter aircraft.

Niger pusi

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Rate my deck faggots

>>31613758
>taking shit tier Centurions and the PT-76 over Mach'Bets

Found your first issue.
>Naval anything
Second iussue
>Two cards of Mortars AND 2 different rocket launchers
Third issue
>No heavy AA
4th issue
>rios and 2 cards of Oshkoshs
5th problem

5/10, it needs some work.

Maglan is the shit
Its even boring to infiltrate and destroy an entire enemy spawn point with just one or two

Form wedge.
2, TARGET SOLDIER.
3, TARGET SOLDIER.

Contact
Enemy Soldier, 100 meters.

>>31614478
12 O'CLOCK
ENEMY
SHILKA
200

OH NO
2
IS DOWN

OH NO
3
IS DOWN

OH NO
4
IS DOWN

this is not an arma thread, you retards

>>31615749
ENEMY
MAN
SPOTTED AT
300 METERS
WEST

>>31616072
>>31615749
CONTACT DOWN

>>31615749
2, Report positron

>>31616440
TWO is DOWN!

THREE.
Taking command.

i hate this place

Panzergrenadiers in Marder 1A1s were my trademark unit in EE

You bring them shits in, you have a ready-made defense.

ALL
REGROUP

Contact - Tank - 300m Bearing 210
Contact - Tank - 300m Bearing 210
Contact - Tank - 400m Bearing 195
No ammo

>>31613492
The enemy failing is what makes you win in every game you play you fucking retard.

>>31616602
THREE
RETURN TO FORMATION

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/k/ - RETURN TO FORMATION

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>>31613147
They are glorious.

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>tfw no one will do a Feelsgud meme like OP's pic with a Merkava and many dead REDFOR tanks.

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>>31613151

>>31618038
Needs to be the broken af "IFV" Merkava with the nade launcher on top, in a forest with loads of dead REDFOR tanks/transports and gibbles everywhere.

>>31618261
*giblets

>>31613147
I need a link or some shit, I can't find this game online.

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ALL
BOARD THAT

VEHICLE

>sit in a passenger seat before whole squad is in

6: NEGATIVE

>>31618308
Wargame: Red Dragon
You can get it practically everywhere.

>>31618349
>Wargame: Red Dragon

Thanks

>>31618362
It's a very neat and great looking game with a few flaws.
Ignore the naval part compleatly, tough. Implementation of ships is utter trash. Play land maps only, enough rivers on those that amphibious units are still usefull.

>>31618349
Hey, if it shows Panzergrenadiers being useful, it's probably European Escalation

>>31618430
Panzergrens aren't bad even after the new MG rebalance. Also why would you get EE? Maybe for its campagnen since ALBs and RDs suck so much. But if you wanna play wargame proper nowadays, you gotta get bad dragon.

>>31618466
Shame, since ALB is objectively a superior game to RD.

>>31618536
>since ALB is objectively a superior game to RD
I disagree.
ALB had even more cheese, was 90% spam and tanks where crewed by blind people.
>1pt trucks
It was fun, yes, but RD is more refined.

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So is it safe to say the Swedes have the best tube arty and mortars in the game?

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SEVEN
TAKING COMMAND

CONTACT
TANK
ELEVEN O'CLOCK
ONE HUNDRED

>>31618553
>RD is more refined
Oh yes, blindly plane spamming without any consequence is far more refined!

Also, due to this and other factors NATO/BLUFOR is far more OP than they were in ALB. ALB at least maintains some semblance of balance.

>>31618597
>Shitting on RD for planespam when ALB was the undisputed king of it.

>>31618654
ALB planespam has nothing on RD planespam.

>>31618597
>blindly plane spamming without any consequence is far more refined
>them ASFs
>last patch price nerfed 40pt OSA cause two of them at the start shut down plane openers like a bitch
>implying that ALB wasn't full of airspam
>unending waves of cheap rocket planes
ALB was cancerous NATO/REDFOR mixed decks till kingdom come, and era-restricted decks just spamming you down.

>>31618663
Not even close.
AA of all kinds is stronger across the board, ASFs are evil.
RD laser guided bombs never missing and always hitting top armour was cancer, but lasst pach killed that. 50% base accuracy now on all of them.

>>31617755

THREE - REPORT POSITION

>>31618261
I'd sponsor it. Someone make it so plz

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Waiting for glorious REDFOR Finland!

>>31619828
They really shouldn't be REDFOR

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>>31613240

OG PzG in das Haus!

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>>31619835
It is absolutely fine and plausible. Most of the FDF inventory of the timeframe are either Soviet or Finnish, so it is quite reasonable to restrict BLUFOR access to T-55's, BMP-1's, BMP-2's, BTR-50's etc. And when it comes to plausibility, well, you have the YYA Ttreaty (Finno-Soviet Treaty of 1948), which kinda forced Finland to defend Soviet Union against "Germany or its allies". So yes, even though in military exercises the invader always came from the east, the political reality was quite murky.

>>31618555

>those chinese names

wat

>>31619835
I have like twice as many blue decks as red, they need armies

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>>31619828

Yugo will be interesting too, but honestly, we need Iran/Egypt/Iraq in Wargame ASAP.

Also rate my deck.

>>31620558
Well...

>2x Command Squad / Capture Point
>Almost no logistic transport
>Way too heavy emphasis on Recon infantry, not enough on LRPVs and ASLAVS
>No ASLAV-25 TOW

>2/10 it's like you want to get steam rolled by REDFOR Armour

>>31620558
>no aussie doombomber
Y

>>31620810
Also this ^

It's like you've gone Comm Motorised but without the motorised component.

On a somewhat related note, does anyone know what the vg wargamers teamspeak address is?

>>31613758

>No Maglan super 10 man ATGM unit

Automatically shit.

>>31621108
I can't get them in Armoured deck lad :(

Super Sayan Merks make up for it though

>>31616810
FUCK 6, IS HIT

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>tfw reading your ded dude's names at the end of the game.

I literally thought this was a thread about anti-armor units IRL until I started reading some of the post. Now it looks like it's about some Vidya. Kinda sad now.

>>31613241
>playing redfor

Get fucking good scrub.

>>31620012
The political reality is that in an actual conflict they would have grabbed the land Russia stole and align with NATO, and the Russians pretty much knew this and had forces ready to mobilize against the Finns.

>>31618555
the Israeli 160mm mortars are pretty messed up with their 6HE
but yes, BKAN 1C and AMOS are pretty amazing

>>31613368
>NORAD

Sounds OP since you get top tier US units and Canadian heavy infantry.

>>31619898
How did they fuck up the skins so bad in this game? I mean, did they even look at a single photo of what Axis troops looked like in 1944? That shit is complete fantasty.

>>31622311
That's why you don't play vanilla.

>>31621558
Eugen already said they're making Finland a Pact nation because they made Sweden a NATO one. They won't hand every nation with a bone to pick with the Soviets over to the West because that would make the game excruciatingly boring.

I wish I was home right now otherwise I'd post my Soviet airborne deck. I either do really well with it or really shitty with it.

regular matches (1v1 to 4v4)
>stacked teams waiting to club people that dont know how to check stats
10v10s
>either super low point "tactical" with people leaving once they suicided their shit tank
>or the total opposite with shit just being spammed

i remember why i stopped playing

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40k version when?

>>31614637
Keked audibly

>>31625499
>another franchise ruined for larping kids

>>31625499
No

>>31625499
>Wargame 40k
This is what Dawn of War III should have been.

>>31625499
As much as I'd love an Epic: 40k game I'd rather see a Wargame Spin off for WW2.

>>31625809
RUSE?

>>31625809
>no helicopters
>no missiles
>no MANPADS
>no stealth feature
>slow ass planes
>extremely limited autocannon and rocket units
>basically a glorified tank+infantry only wargame

>>31626263


Sounds way the fuck better. Fuck you and your stealth planes. This entire game is shit, and singlehandedly ruined by planes being autistic-tier.

>>31626263
>>31625809
I want to see it, if only for all the Wehraboo to rage and insist on player with an army full of Tigers / Tiger II and watch them useless in some bog due to engines malfunction

>>31626263
>No Helicopters
Not an Issue. Recon Planes and Fighter Bombers will do their role.
>No Missiles
Not an issue
>No MANPADS
You trade that for a variety of different AA
>Slow Ass Planes
So you have to adjust tactics accordingly?
>Limited autocannon and rocket units
And? Autocannons are switched out for more HE, and Rocket spam goes down. Both are good things
>Tank+Infantry Only
Hahahaha no.

Shorter ranges puts a greater emphasis on combined arms maneuver and logistics. Large scale flanking maneuvers are a much bigger deal, and require more planning. Good ambushes can delay entire movements. Using air craft requires something more than point + click. Ground recon plays a much bigger deal.

>>31625924
You know, I never played RUSE. Was it any good?

>>31626358
I have a strong bias in its favor, but imo it's an excellent game.
It's pretty different from wargame, despite some common themes (massive armies, importance of logistics and recon).
In the end, it's a simpler game, with less depth, but it achieves some kind of "purity"; there isn't any randomness, the learning curve is very smooth, and there are nice high level tricks that don't require micro. When you win or loose, you really know why, and it's very rarely because of the computer or your lack or apm. It really rewards strategy.
The campaign is also very good. It's puzzle-like scenarios that teach you how to use units. Paving the way for big battles at the end.
The ruse system that allows you to see the order given, create fake bases or camouflage your units as others is awesome, I wish it appeared in other games.

Cons: Endgame is usually boring (piling prototypes tanks and 200+ bomber raids on bases), ruses could have been made more important. Japanese (DLC faction) have all the unusual toys and are pretty OP as a result.

There was a time when I preffered wargame over ruse, but nowadays, between the balance patches, the high ressouorces games and their spam, and the vets with 4000hrs banging newbies, I go back to ruse with a smile.

>>31613298

Yeah because they changed the unit cost.

>>31613368
That screenshot is from the beta, the tank does not have those stats anymore lmfao faggot retard

>>31627099
So basically you're bad at the game

>>31627115
It's actually availability that causes that to happen. A saved deck is a set of units taken at certain veterancy levels, so when they change plane vet or reassign a unit to a different category (like with infantry transports), any now-invalid unit choices are stripped out. Unit cost doesn't factor into it at all.

>>31627259
That's what I meant autismo

>>31626263
>all air defense done by flak guns
>P-51s strafing horse drawn wagons
>Flak 88s in the tree line
>Fallshirmjagers with MP44s and MG42s absolutely raping everything

>>31627431
>P47 emptying rocket pods on fleeing germans
>muh artillery soviet decks
>72nd para god tier units
>152mm tank raping other tanks, infantry, everything

>>31626298
>>31627431
>>31627631
Flames of War already did all the numbers work too. Just translate their system to Wargame's.

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>>31628057
>not playing the winsp series
Ayyyyy

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>>31628576
How is my Soviet Airborne deck? Its pretty much my go to.

>>31625499
I'd play it.

Though a 135 pt bane blade just seems wrong.