Why is England retarded?

>>31611616
>Why the fuck do they load with TWO 5 round stripper clips???

As I've heard it: "Slapping a loaded mag into an Enfield body damages the feed lips and puts stress on the magazine components which eventually leads to poor feeding."

I have a Savage lend-lease No.4 Mk.1. Good gun. Smooth & fast action.

>>31611616
The removable mag is to aid in cleaning and clearing jams, not Reloading.

>>31611616
The reason they didnt use magazines like everyone else was due to one reason, logistics. The stripper clip and magazine came out at about the same time, however the clip was cheaper and faster to produce and by the time ww2 came along they were in too deep to switch.

>>31611682
Kind makes sense but sounds like something they should fix in the many models they made. Its known as being a fast shooting gun but after 10 rounds they gotta dick around, seems like it would be worth it to get a faster reload.

I have heard the no. 4 is usually the best but in that Forgotten Weapons video he was saying there was some problems with the no. 5 losing zero that were also in some no. 4s.

Im watching the Hickok45 (thanks to federal premium for this ammo btw) video and he is reloading with the mag and slamming the shit out of it.

Seems like keep a loaded mag or two on you would be a good idea if you got into some heavy shit but if you were in a fixed position and just firing you would/could use the clips to avoid damaging your spare magazines.

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>>31611616
This was for all countries who considered mag fed rifles. Unlike an automatic rifleman or in some cases a specialist with an SMG, your common rifleman wasn't believed to be trusted with a magazine as he would lose it in battle and be ineffective. Guns that come to mind are like the K31, SVT-40, G41, and AG42.

Magazines are also slightly more expensive since they require a couple more parts, which while not exactly a big deal in the consumer market, is a big one for a government if that means you pay 5 cents more per rifle and you're making extra ones to issue to soldiers along with their rifles. A clip is a simple piece of stamped sheet metal that holds bullets and nothing else, so you can make them by the millions.

Also for funsies here's a pre-war rifle that had a detachable magazine, but it was mainly marketed towards police departments and the military wasn't too keen on the idea of a long recoil self loading rifle with a detachable magazine.

>>31611616
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hk_km45lXY

>>31611851
I meant to add into that first paragraph that guns with detachable magazines mainly had this feature as a provision for maintenance or clearing jams. Those guns I listed all have detachable magazines, but they're not exactly meant to be taken out for high speed reloads and have somewhat complicated mag releases that prevent the common retard that is the rifleman from losing his only magazine.

>>31611616
Well your first question was answered >>31611851

Basically command were bigger assholes back in the day. Hell if you get a real No. I Mk III it'll have a little mag cut off because the brits didn't want their riflemen to shoot the ammo in the mag. That was reserved for shit like final defensive fire (at least I think that's the term). Then they learned that was retarded and removed it.

Now for best? That depends on what you are looking for. We're talking about a rifle that has been around for 100+ years.

Style-wise? Depends on taste. I prefer the original No I Mk III and Mk III* as posted in your pic.

Functional? No IV of any stripe in decent condition. Barrel is free float so you get better accuracy and unlike the No V jungle carbines there is no history of "wandering zero".

Light and handy? No V jungle carbine. Just be very careful when purchasing as they have a history of not holding their zero properly. Most likely due to the two piece stock (as I've heard it).

Non-snowflake caliber but still awesome? L42A1. Sniper rifle used by brits and other commonwealth nations. Only a few thousand made it to the US and one in good condition will run you about $3k. That said, they are known to be accurate, chambered in .308, and have the same legendary action as the rest of the family.

Price wise everything else is about the same. Expect anywhere from 300-500 if looking at a No I, IV, or V. All dependent on condition, though in general the No I's will be cheaper than a No V in similar condition.

Note, you CAN just slap a .308 barrel on any SMLE but you will have an issue with the magazines as they were designed for .303 british and .308 doesn't fit quite right. Also unless you hand load or get boutique shit, you risk blowing up your gun as, and this is especially true of the older ones, SMLE's can't take the higher pressure of modern .308.

>>31611616
>HOW TO IDENTIFY A SCOTSMAN: The Thread

>>31611616
Did an Englishman make you watch as he fucked your mother, or something? Goddamn, son. You angry.

>>31611716
That's bullshit. No5s sometimes shoot all over the place because of all the lightening cuts they made to to the receiver and barrel, it just took away too much rigidity. The No4 doesn't have this problem.

>>31612645
AKA a brit in denial.

>>31611616
Question to the thread in general: friend of mine owns an Enfield. When you release the bolt, it almost feels fucking spring loaded (it jumps back a bit). Is this normal?

>>31612896
Yes. It cocks on close so the firing pin is under spring pressure when the bolt is closed. The tension releases when the action is opened.

Likewise when closing the action the last few cms you are fighting against the spring.

>>31611709
This. Clips are simply cheaper and faster to mass produce hence why the Brits and everyone else opted for them.

Also, being a rimmed cartridge the .303 isn't ideal to stack in a magazine

>>31612896
Cock on close, thats the pressure of the firing pin spring. it will only do that if it's cocked, once you fire it, it wont spring back like that.

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>>31611616
Because that would cost an absolute shitload more money and it would not help in any way at all.

These weren't modern tacticool oper8rs who needed to send 30 rounds down range then immediately follow up with another 6 magazine's. They took a shot when they needed to, then topped up the mag when they got a chance. carrying around multiple loaded mags doesn't make any sense in that context. lee enfield magazines are heavy and bulky as fuck, it would be impractical to carry around three or four loaded mags, and switch them out when you run out, then you're stuck carrying around big, bulky empty mags which you are only going to go back to and reload individually anyway. it makes much more sense to have the one magazine permanently in your rifle which you can very easily and quickly load with clips or loose rounds whenever you get a chance.

Generally speaking, you would always have 10 rounds ready to go anyway, so on the rare occasion that you're in a close range frantic situation and quickly fire off all ten rounds and have to rapidly reload, then quickly smashing in two clips wouldn't be much slower than switching the whole magazine anyway, and encounters like that is what we have the bayonets for if we're really caught out.

>>31611616
Brits can own enfield's btw

>>31612645
Obviously never met a scotsman then. Tend to be proud of their military past, which heavily includes the Enfield.

>>31611616
When the Lee-Metford was first developed in the late 1880s, magazine springs were difficult to make properly.

Even in WW2 magazines were fairly expensive thanks to the challenge of making reliable springs. That's why the STG 44 never shipped with all the mags it was originally intended for, and why the STEN suffered so many issues with its mags.

It was only post-war that magazine springs were more reliable and affordable to produce.

When I moved to live and work in England I had to get rid of my Rifle No 5 Mk I ( aka Lee–Enfield Jungle Carbine) Worst thing I did. Should of paid to have it stored someplace in US. I always felt it was pretty silly I could own something at home that I could not own there where it came from.

>>31611616
Continuation?
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>>31611709
Not just that. When it comes to 5-10 round capacity, you don't really save much of any time in a reload compared to clips, unless it's really shitty clips like for 7.62x54r. The value of mag swapping instead of clip loading only really shows itself when capacity gets to 20-30 or higher, in which case it is of course FAR faster to swap a mag than it is to use 3-4 clips.

Yes clips are lighter, cheaper, and smaller, but reloading with 2 clips instead of swapping expensive and non-disposable magazines (which will of course have to be retained)? At best, you're talking about MAYBE 1-2 seconds saved by mag swapping instead of using 2 clips, but even that's dubious at best. Carrying mags instead of clips when it has no significant advantage in reload speed is merely making it so your loadout is more expensive, more heavy, and more bulky.

>>31611616
you forgot to bitch about rimmed cartridges being shit-tier except in single shot weapons

>>31611616

Reloading empty Lee Enfield with 2 clips
>Open bolt
>Grab 2 clips from bandolier
>Place 1st clip
>Push rounds in
>Tap top of 1st clip back to eject while placing 2nd clip
>Push down
>Close bolt (2nd clip ejects automatically)

Reloading empty Lee Enfield with mag
>Open bolt (Will make it easier for a full mag to be seated)
>Adjust grip on rifle with left hand on the mag and right hand around the receiver with pointer and/or middle finger in the trigger guard on the mag release
>Pull on mag while pressing mag release button
>Return mag to your loadout (You don't want to lose/damage them snowflake mags)
>Grab fresh mag
>Set mag in position
>Insert it correctly (will take some effort and finesse, best to keep the right hand around the receiver like before for more leverage)
>Return to original shooting grip
>Close bolt

>Hope that none of the rounds popped out or the rims changed position while the loaded mag was in your kit

Yeah, when it comes to just a 10 round mag that is rare/expensive/bulky, and the clips are easy/smooth to use, there's little to no benefit in carrying mags instead of clips. I normally think the smartest thing to do is carry half ammo in mags and half ammo in clips, but for the Lee Enfield, I see the cons outweighing the pros when it comes to mag reloading when clip reloading comes with so many benefits.

If you can't reload as quickly with 2 clips as you can with 1 10-rnd mag, then you're not practicing with clips enough. Get some snap caps and get to it.

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>>31614619
OP is also forgetting tolerance differences. Wood has a tendency to shrink/expand a lot and something like multiple magazines would all fit differently in the same rifle. Be easily to get a rifle swelling and slowing down the reload as you have to force the mag in harder.

Then you can also look at the space/weight difference of carrying the ammo. Bullets with disposable stripper clips in pouches where you can fit multiple clips (15-20rnds) vs bullets in pre-loaded magazines that you can fit about 1 per pouch (10 rnds) and carry a magazine that would need to be recovered to keep front line reloading efficiently.

>>31612352
Where are you finding l42a1 for 3k? I would throw that kind of money down for one no problem. Ive been looking for a precision rifle with a wood stock and irons for a while.

Dont understand why i cant find a new production rifle with diopeter/micrometer sights. Does everyone hate irons now or what

>>31615530
>Does everyone hate irons now or what
Not really, just you can get "good" optics a lot cheaper now a days so pretty much everyone just goes optics route.

>>31615583
Yeah i know. Im just bitter, i cant find what i want.
Id like to try hitting a milk jug at 1000m with a rifle that isnt "tactical" i figured some bolt action sniper from the cold war would be my best bet. And enfields are aesthetic as fuck. Irons on it is just my autism, all of rifles have them and i intend to keep it that way.

>>31615638
Only scope I have is the 3.5x PU on one of my M91/30s. As is well known; it allows full view of the irons below said scope. I never want to own a rifle on which I cannot access the irons.

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>>31614903
>Be easily to get a rifle swelling and slowing down the reload as you have to force the mag in harder

no

>>31615800
Lee Enfield mags are not drop-free. They fit snug as fuck. On all the Lee Enfields I ever handled (3 Mk.III*, 2 No.5, 1 No.4, 1 No.1) all the magazines fit very tightly. It's a two-hand operation to remove or insert a magazine, and that's just how it is. The magazines were never meant nor designed for mag swapping.

It's also been established that mag swapping with a Lee Enfield offers little to no benefit over clip loading. Only those who have never handled a Lee Enfield would think that mag swapping is better than clip loading.

>>31615769
Agreed. At this point im thimking i wont be happy unless i get a blank receiver and build the damned thing myself. You would think companies would make precision rifles without all the tactical crap but no.

Pretty much any modern bolt gun should be able to go to 1000m, i guess i could just pay a smith to install irons.

>>31615530
Online. Last I checked the lowest you'd find one in good/shootable condition (including scope and so on) was for about 3k. Something to note is that a L42A1 comes with a scope. Now the L39A1 does have micrometer sights, but that is even more rare and I'm not even sure if any made it to the US.

If you want to hit a 1000m target with irons with an enfield I'd grab a No IV. They tend to be the most accurate and you can get them with aperture sights. I believe some also had ladder sights. While the No V has the same sights, again you have the history of wandering zero.

>>31615878
About how much would a service like that cost?
in my entirely uneducated estimate, I imagine it'd cost about as much as the rifle itself.

>>31615987
No idea. I dont even know any gunsmiths in my area.

>>31615902
Where online? I checked all my usual places and the only thing i could find was a repro on snipershide. I would prefer .308 over .303 but dont want an ishapore.

Im kind of shaky on how enfield designations work. No.x is the series and mk.x is like variations in that series right? So i should be hunting down a no.IV mk.I/II

>>31616116
No4 rifles in 7.62 are pretty nice, provided the conversion wasn't done by some bubba with a lack of knowledge. They don't seem to be common in the USA, but I know there are some in Canada. They're pretty common in the UK since they were often used in target shooting, I think it's the same kind of thing as national match M1 rifles and '03s are for service rifle shoot, or whatever it's called over there.

>>31616116
>find
Crap shoot. If you find one for sale you should buy it right then and there regardless of price. That one I saw for 3k I regret not buying every time I think of it.

>designation
It's all pretty fucky. Short version is that the Mk number doesn't matter at all. As for the No number, the No I classic full wood enfield like in OP pic, No II is 22 trainer, No III is the P-14 (Pattern 1914, not actually based on the enfield design), then the No IV, and the No V.

>>31616183
If you mean .308 then you have to be super careful. Modern .308 operates at a higher pressure than .303 brit ever did. You just toss some factory ammo in one and you risk blowing up your gun.