This might seem like a stupid question to you Americans, but

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Because nowadays they cordon off the entire city months before time.

Also enjoy your visit from the 4chan Party Van.

>>31607501

from what I can tell the protection is extremely good to the point at which trying by yourself would be a death wish, also nobody wants to get buttfucked and probably executed by the legal system.

They stopped riding around in open top limos after that.

Even then, it was more luck than anything that kept the subsequent attempts on Ford and Reagan from being successful.

These days, the main protective measure is sending the Secret Service to investigate weirdos like Oswald and not publishing where the president will be in advance unless the area is crawling with security.

>>31607517
>FBI
Nah, ausfag here, just genuinely curious about it given the political shitstorm happening over there between Trump and Shillary.

It's like watching an F1 race - I don't care much about who wins, I just watch it for the crashes.

>>31607523
>>31607520
Sounds like the Secret Service has their work cut out for them.

Also i tend to think anyone crazy enough to try is crazy enough to talk before hand. In which case they get overheard and turned in to fbi. Lots of people talk. Few are seriously nuts enough to take seriously. Just my opinion though

>>31607560
Along with the FBI, they're the most serious, tight assed, and professional type of law enforcement in the country.

They also search for counterfeiters, because reasons.

That said, there was a pretty serious attempt on Bush Sr by the Iraqis in 1992 and an attempt on Clinton by Al Qaeda in the 90s that nearly worked.

God protects fools and children.

>>31607501
The CIA hasn't needed to kill any President after. They proved their point with Kennedy, and presidents since play ball.

>>31607501
Actually I have the same thoughts. In many of these public venues the crowd is allowed within 15 feet of the candidates. Concealment is pretty simple if that is your entire goal. With as much hatred both Trump and Hillary have generated. It boggles my mind at least one nut job hasn't taken a crack at it.

Then again it does pretty clearly demonstrate that guns in the hands of citizens is a good thing. We are flooded with guns and yet random attacks like the one you're thinking about almost never happen.

I am not planning or musing about assassinating a President Mr.ATF. You can ignore this post now.

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>>31607501
The act of assassination of a public figure would normally have the opposite effect than what the assassin wanted in the first place, unless the assassin wants to make the figure a martyr or was being paid and didnt give a shit.The outcomes of the long game of political manuvering is usually always preferable to violent actions, the killing of a figurehead should always be last resort and after every other avenue of approach has been exhausted and the killing would realistically stop tyrannical actions from taking place (of any variety). Assassinating Obama or Hildog would advance the cause of gun control 100% and the people who are capable and willing to be able to reach out touch someone with a firearm do not want gun control to advance any more than it has.

The fact that there are so many liberal alive today is hijestly a clear testament to gun owners' commitment to law, order, and the ideals of the founding fathers until the absolute last straw.

>>31609064
So I guess it can be concluded that people are either too unhinged to do it properly, or too smart to want to do it at all?

>>31608102
Some limey dick did go after Trump though

>>31609682
This

He was a straight up retard so it didn't work

>>31607501
Some of both. Plus, there are still a handful of places in the U.S. where no one wants to shoot the president.

The protection really is insane. I did some party security work during the 04 campaign. "Party security" meaning at presidental events the secret service is concerned exclusively with threats, and don't care about protesters or event disruption, so the party or campaign beings on a second layer of security to do shit like search people for unapproved banners or noise makers.

Anyway it was a great opportunity to watch the secret service. Multiple counter sniper teams of surrounding rooftop with rifles scanning possible sniper threat areas, impenetrable walls of heavy construction equipment blocking car access, dudes with dogs patrolling a deep parameter, and God knows what else. In addition to the suits (who were fucking terrifying honestly) and full tactical guys their were also a ton of plan clothes/under cover types. Also weird vehicals everywhere packed with God only knows what kind of coms and imaging. These were events where GWB was speaking, i.e. it was public knowledge that the president would be there so security was high. Other stuff I didnt see but that has been at least partially substantiated
>F16s Flying cap
>organic AA (manpads in convoy)
>gimbal mounted dillon mini gun hidden in convoy SUV

In short, security is fucking high. Total suicide mission.

Security is no where near that high at spontaneous appearances ( like when potus shows up at 5 guys or some shit) but that stuff is done randomly

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>>31609682
>>31609813
Yeah his parents were begging US officials to send him home for treatment for months before he tried anything, he was over 18 and hadn't done anything 'deportable' yet so I don't consider that a credible threat since he tried to grab a sheriff's gun off of his hip.

>>31609643
Yes that is my conclusion based on mostly subjective experience and objective facts.

>>31609896
Makes me wonder how tight security is now. It's probably even more insane.

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I actually had the opportunity to get close to the presidential motorcade, just the other month. Obama had just given a lecture at my university, and I had just gotten out of class. I was tired, and I saw that a crowd was congregating along the road he was taking out, the long main artery which cuts through the campus.

It was cancerous with cops. There was a motorcycle cop on watch on either side of the road every ten yards or so, and more on foot milling around the sidewalks. The motorcade itself consisted not of one limousine, but multiple exact copies of the same limousine, all with blacked out windows, none obvious as carrying the president, surrounded by a police escort both in squad cars and motorcycles, along with a variety of what were presumably support vehicles with electronics and whatnot.

So yeah. You could get a shot off, I suppose. I was close enough that, had my satchel been full of many pounds of explosives and nails, I could have easily lobbed it such that one of the limos would have driven over it and caught it full in the belly. The crowd was so thick, you might have even gotten multiple conspirators to do this. But you would all die immediately afterward due to the insane police presence, and it would probably be all for naught anyhow since the real limo was probably armored as fuck. That, and there are so many identical limos in the motorcade, you'd need a lot of conspirators to get them all.

Assassinations succeeded in the past because a lone person, acting alone and telling no one of their plans, could circumvent what protections the president had. Now, it would require a conspiracy of many people to have a chance at succeeding, and it is therefore that much less likely to occur, as each additional person brought in exponentially increases the likelihood of the operation being caught.

>>31607501
>since Kennedy

>who is Ronny Raygun?

>>31607501
Reagan got hit

>>31610068
>The last time any president had an assassination attempt that was even remotely successful

>>31610062
>>31610068
I did stumble upon that fact after a bit of wiki browsing, yup. Not too well versed on presidential assassination attempts, myself.

>>31610101
the fact is he would likely have been wasted if the SS agent didnt get in front and take the rounds for Reagan (except for 1).

>>31609991
I actually remember thinking, watching the motorcade, "You know, if I were a dick head-of-security, I wouldn't even put him in any of the limos. I'd put him in one of the unmarked white vans." No one would bother taking a shot at them, and they're probably easier to armor. No windows on the compartment.

>>31607560
No one watches F1 for the crashes. You're getting it confused with Nascar.

>>31609991
>I was close enough that, had my satchel been full of many pounds of explosives and nails, I could have easily lobbed it such that one of the limos would have driven over it and caught it full in the belly.
hello party van

>>31607501
W. Bush was almost killed by a pretzel some years ago.

>>31610427
That was a shoe.

>>31610159
>not having him driven out in an unmarked sedan an hour before the motorcade on a different route
do you even security through obscurity

>>31610427
There was a also guy in I think Georgia that threw a grenade at him

>>31611219
Yeah, good point.

Hell, maybe nowadays they don't even send the president to do public speeches anymore. Maybe it's a body-double, or some DARPA hyper-realistic robot lookalike. I imagine defense of the president is one of the few parts of the budget that gets a blank check off the books.

>>31607501
what movie?

>>31609991

Wouldn't have done a damn thing. The cars are able to withstand most EFPs from anything short of a tandem HEAT or modern ATGM. The windows themselves aren't but they're supposedly about 80mm RHAe.

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>>31610397
I don't think the powers that be are particularly worried about anyone from 4chan getting anything done with their lives.

How can they be so sure that a Secret Service security agent won't get compromised or be a foreign plant? Who selects them, and who selects the people that select them?

>>31612983
Now -that's- an interesting question. I've wondered that, sometimes.

Maybe they all go through whatever brainwashing wringer program it is that /x/ likes to talk about all the time. It certainly can't be that they're all watching one another 100% of the time; it'd be too inefficient.

>>31612991
>it'd be too inefficient

Clearly you've never worked for the gubmint.

>>31612873
11/22/63, it's a TV miniseries based on a Stephen King book about a time-traveler trying to prevent Kennedy's assassination.

>>31607501
Hello NSA/FBI/SS/NHS

>>31613250
see
>>31607560

>>31613254
>I-I'm Australian I s-swear
lel

>>31610062
>>31610068
How the fuck did it take this long for someone to mention Reagan? That is kind of disappointing.

>>31607501
nobody has pissed off the right people since Kennedy

Kennedy threatened the fed, that's the one thing a president absolutely cannot do. besides genocide i guess

It's pretty insane to even try. Security really is second to none. Only ways I could really see it working is pre-presidency (smaller teams, announced events, with a lot of small-people events--guns or explosives could work--instant suicide); with artillery (shelling the whole event--not that any modern artillery pieces exist in public hands); or with drones (a bomb dropped or ferried onto the person's head or shots made from an otherwise impossible location--about the only non-suicide option).

>>31613313
>beside genocide I guess
Nah, if it's genociding the right people then it's fine. Or even just ethnic cleansing and/or population replacement.

>>31610062
>successful shot
I don't remember Reagan dying in office.

>>31613334
or infiltration which i think would be the easiest.

if you're planning on not getting caught though, that's a different story. next to fucking impossible with today's surveillance, forensics, & how quick the secret service would respond

>>31613346
i had a feel someone would mention that.

lemme refine to fucking gas chambers & ethnic death squads, pretty sure a president can't make that call.

>>31607501
The chief issue is that setting up a good shot at a president, be it a bullet or a bomb or whatever, requires an opening. If you have enough people working dilligently enough, you basically can just close off every possible opening. Operational security is also generally pretty extreme at this point.

Another problem is that the sort of person with enough commitment to seriously plan and execute an assassination on a politician would almost inevitably realize that it would be counter-productive to their aims.

If someone assassinated Donald Trump, for example, he would become a martyr. The sheer outrage over a candidate--no matter how controversial--being murdered for political purposes would be catastrophic. He might die, but his death would be used as a bludgeon by whoever followed him to smash apart any opposition. Anyone planning such a thing would realize this and probably settle for a method less likely to achieve the exact opposite of what he wants. It'd be even worse if it were a sitting president, whose vice would then be able to put massive pressure on Congress to fulfill the victim's dreams for the nation.

Ironically the most likely scenario for an assassination these days would be to shoot one of your own people, and frame the opposition. If Bernie Sanders were found with his throat cut and "death to all socialists" painted in blood on his bedroom wall,, public sympathy for his ideology would skyrocket and other people of similar political leanings could exploit the public outrage to gain political capital.

>>31613379
Well considering that gas chambers never happened, yeah. Also
>ethnic death squads
Yeah expect for the all the ones we supported in the Balkans. Here's a hint: the Serbians we were bombing weren't the only ones ethnic cleansing people.

>>31613285
I took 'successful' in the OP to mean killing

>>31613350
Wrong timeline

>>31607501
John Hinckley tried to assassinate Reagan and hit him with a ricochet. He might have succeeded but he used a meme exploding round in a special snowflake caliber.

The Reagan attempt was the only occasion where a Secret Service agent has actually taken a bullet for the president, and video of the attempt is still used in their training today.

Also, this attempt was hijacked by gun-control lobbyists after James Brady was hit in the head by the assassin and became a vegetable. It's pretty much the reason you need a background check to buy a gun these days.

>>31613438
You sound like the fucking Serb general who tried to blame his soldiers running around murdering people on the Canadians who stopped them at the Medak Pocket.

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>>31612991
There's a lot of unprofessionals who slip through the cracks. It wouldn't be THAT hard to get a plant into any agency. It's happened before with the FBI, CIA, etc. As far as someone pointed out, you wouldn't assassinate the president if you wanted to damage the office, it would only martyr him,

>>31613511
>There's a lot of unprofessionals who slip through the cracks
Someone has to guard the unimportant people, like Sarah Palin.

And yeah, she is MILFtastic. I almost wish she'd come back into the center stage, so they'd make more porn parodies about her.

>>31613500
Yeah, okay.

>>31613511
>It's happened before with the FBI, CIA, etc.

Oh? I hadn't realized. Storytime?