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>>31592658
yes get the ak parts kit

What kind of guns can I expect to find in some shitty pawn shop or gun store for sub $200? I'm expecting sporterized yugo mausers and mosins, am I right?

Or am I going to find fuckall for guns that can hunt deer for less than $200?

>>31592658
AKs aren't cheap to put together. A lot cheaper if you have access to a machine shop, but not anywhere close to $103 cheap.

>>31592855
I knew I wasn't going to be able to buy one for $103, I mean that once I start sitting on it and it grows should I buy an AK kit or a new milsurp rifle?

>>31592658

An AK build with minimal tools and a good kit will run you about $1200.

>$400 for the kit
>$120 for the barrel
>$150 12 ton press
>$10 rivets
>$80 bolt cutters with riveting attachment
>$200 trigger guard riveting jig
>$60 headspace gauges.
>$100 100% receiver
>$50 parkerizing kit for barrel and receiver.

>>31592931
I was gonna have a qualified smith do the build for me.

>>31592830

You might find a mossberg 500 with a slug barrel on it around that range.

>>31593000

>checked

But yeah thats probably the cheaper way unless you have space for all that stuff and plan on doing more than one or two builds

>>31592658

You could build a nice AR for less than than any AK build. PSA has their premium Carbine kit on sale with a CHF barrel made by FN for $479.99 this weekend. Throw it on an anderson lower for another $50 and youre gtg.

>>31593002

Aight, hopefully I'm lucky and they have something along those lines.

>>31592658
>have to sell a gun to pay debts
>use whats remaining to put toward another gun
This is why you will always be poor. If youre selling shit to pay for other shit then you need to quit buying new shit.

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>>31592658
I'm a /k/anuck looking to get a plate carrier to use during SHTF. Currently looking at pic related and am wondering if it's any good or if there's something better I should be looking at.

>>31592892
I have an FAL and AK built from parts. The smith charged about $40/50 for the FAL and the AK was made at my friend's house because he's make several. A smith shouldn't charge too much to make one. An AK should be $100 or so.

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my fucking scope wont zero
i took it off the scope rings and picatinny rail and put it back on several times, and everytime its aiming too far to the right, ive got it cranked over as far as it will go and its still just a hair to the right, too much to aim properly.
wat fuckin do?

>>31593162
Damn thats super cheap. My FAL cost me a ton to build

>>31593135
Condor a shit

What's a decent rifle bag that will hold 2 rifles/shotguns for a poorfag?

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>>31594051
Thanks for at least bumping the thread I guess.

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gold text or patriot colors for my edc wallet

>>31592658

Friend of mine gave me his dad's 1022 sporter with a bone collecter 3-9 scope on it.

He says that his dad can't get the scope sighted at all, has it on weaver rings and he says when he shoots it the first shot will be 3 feet left of target and the next 3 feet right of target. At 20 feet.

Is his old man just old, or is it the gun/scope?

When I inspected it the bore looked bright and clean, but the crown did have one mark on it that looked like a ding, a faint one.

I know the crown of the barrel is a huge contribute to accuracy, but that big of an issue?

>>31594014
> scope wont zero
i took it off the scope rings and picatinny rail and put it back on several times, and everytime its aiming too far to the right

Stop taking the scope off like a dumbass.
Once you get them mounted and zeroed, keep the damn thing mounted.

I've heard Anderson lowers are a good cheap option for an AR build, but are their complete ARs any good?

>>31594121
what the fuck did i say in my post that led you to believe it was ever zeroed in the first place
anyways it was never zeroed in the first place

>>31594014

What kind of scope base? What rings? What gun?

>>31594258
no base, rings came with the scope, its a crossbow

>>31594309
>its a crossbow


well then...

Outside of my experience but I have seen people install rings on weaver rails improperly. One guy had a leopold one peice he had nearly bent becase he had the rear windage alignment tweaked all the way to one side.

Can you take a few pics of the mount / scope?

>>31594051
"everything a shit"

-/k/

>>31594161
pls respond

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>>31594340

>>31594358
But especially Condor.

I once made the rookie mistake of taking a Condor daypack to a field exercise and by the end, it had literally come totally apart and had to be trashed. That was 30 days of modern field condition use in realistic conditions outside.

>>31593057
then you are back to having a boring basic bitch ar

>>31594452

I don't see anything too obvious for what is wrong with it. For shits and giggles put the rings on the base the other way around, with the massive finger nut on the other side of hte cross bow.

But I know shitall about cross bows, how to sight them or what they can act like if something is fucky.

Have you had a previous sight on the bow before that you could zero?

>>31594435

no

>>31594496
i'll try that actually, maybe itll work
no it was the scope that came with the bow
thanks though

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>>31594508

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>>31594161
I just bought a complete rifle by them the other days. Seems like its pretty good.

Have some questions of my own actually since its my first ar

Whats a good optic that isnt crazy expensive.
Anybody know anything about charging handles being a bit.. "sticky" ? Feels like it shouldnt be this hard to pull

>>31594513

Used or new? If yoru agoraphobia isn't too bad and you still have issues I'd take it up with where ever you bought it, might have a defect to it.

Again I have no experience with crossbows and what can go wrong with them regarding sighting.

>>31594461
That sucks man. Maybe I'm just lucky but I have a condor plate carrier and while given it's never seen combat, it's held up very well. Was there a point in time when there stuff was noticeably more shitty? Maybe I got something from a "good" batch.

Same thing for rothco stuff. I never knew how much of a meme Rothco was before coming here, but my $50 3-day transport pack is very rugged and has all the features I want a great price.

Newfag here

What's a parts kit? Is it an incomplete set of parts for a given firearm, which requires a qualified gunsmith and machinery to put together, or is it more like a model kit that you can build in your garage?

>>31594587
>Anybody know anything about charging handles being a bit.. "sticky" ? Feels like it shouldnt be this hard to pull

If you just bought it and haven't run a bunch of rounds through it, do that and see if it loosens up a bit after a bit. Also try disassembling it and see if there's some factory grease or lubricant on it. If there is just clean it off with whatever you like to use.

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what does breaking wrist mean? and yes this is a very useful target

I'm an MA bro (so no glocks) who wants an all around pistol. I want something mainly to be a range toy but also be able to conceal carry it from time to time. Any suggestions for under 500?

>>31594629
When people talk about "parts kits" they're generally referring to parts for an AR you can put together. When assembling an AR, you generally buy a stripped lower receiver, a lower parts kit which contains the trigger and all the pins/springs/etc you need for all the controls and such to work, and an upper receiver (which can also be bought stripped and with a parts kit).

>>31594651

Wait, why no Glocks? I'm in commiefornia and I can get glocks wtf

>>31594587
Lube, aimpoint pro or vortex red dot if ur too cheap to get aimpoint. Fagpull for backup irons

>>31594611
yeah i just got it the other week but im too embarassed to go back in after last time

>>31594668
Upper parts kits don't usually exist that much. If it does it's just the dust cover and charging handle. But u need to get a barrel, barrel nut, gas tube, gas block, flash hider, sights, free floating rail, and then also a buffer tube, buffer tube spring, buffer, and stock to go with the lower and lower parts kit usually

>>31594700
>but im too embarassed to go back in after last time

I know the feeling man, don't sweat it. Try it out with the mouting screws the other way, and if it is still way off then muster up the courage to talk to that one qtpie behind the counter at big 5 or whatever and demand a new one.

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>>31592658
Has anyone ever completed an 80% lower for NE? Is it even worth it to buy an 80% if you don't have many tools at home besides a drill?

How precise do you need to be when completing an 80%? If you fuck up a bit, will it be okay or completely ruin the functionality of the gun? Completed, stripped lowers are proving to be a pain to find, and the rollmarks on these lowers are pretty cool. I assume they aren't serialized, so that needs to be the first thing I do if I want to finish it, right?

>>31594681
>aimpoint
he said something not crazy expensive

>>31594825

I've seen one done with a dremel that functioned burdy gud. Watch out for drop in boxed triggers, they seem to be sensitive to not milling enough.

>>31594874
Aimpoint pro red dot : $453


That aint that bad

>>31594681
Already got the fagpulls on it.
Thanks though. Figured it just might be a lube and break in thing. Couldnt see any burs or obvious marks where something was catching

>>31594915
you could make a whole nother AR for that...

>>31595015
Thats fair. But im getting the one i just bought all set first.

>>31592931
Try
>$400 for kit + barrel
>$80 for 80% reciever, new trigger, rivets, and pin
>$100 for toth barrel tool
>$20 for a pair of bolt cutters that you can grind down to make a rivet squeezer
>$80 for harbor freight stick welder
>$40 MAPP gas torch

After that all you really need is a dremel tool, hammer, bench vice, and drill which most people already have. I would also recommend a no go gauge, the go gauge is optional, just check with live rounds.

If you are mechanically inclined, have patience, and put in the elbow grease, then this is everything you need. Also if you start with a 100% receiver then you don't need the welder, and the hardest part is done.

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I'm looking for uzi/mac bolt dimensions.

I bought a P71
What should I keep in it?
First aid, a gun, survival gear?

I'm meeting some guy tomorrow to pick up a .22 rifle and take a look at some of his Norinco SKSes. What's the ballpark I should be looking at to pay for one of these?

I don't really wanna panic buy but if Hillary wins should I count on AR uppers drying up in addition to everything else?

>>31594825
no, you do not serialize them, you are not a manufacturer.

once you make a "firearm" you may not transfer it to someone els, that lower is yours and only yours for forever.

but honestly who the fuck would know?

>>31594668
>generally referring to parts for an AR
Nah. There are AR parts kits, but the majority are slavshit. There's a slew of other SMGs and assorted assault rifles available as parts kits as well.

Before you get your hopes up, if you're not familiar with parts kits, the atf has changed the rules over time as to what is able to be sold as a parts kit.

Long ago, in the good old days, you could get away with cutting the receiver into a few pieces with a chop saw and you were GTG, with barrel and everything else intact, including full-auto fire control group, if it was made that way originally. (easy to reweld)

Nowadays, to import them, the receiver has to be torch cut at least 2 places with a huge gap. Many will omit sections of the receivers or the whole receiver, and barrels are often omitted or drilled so as to be useless.

Legally, you have to buy or make a new receiver (many have 80% or 100% receivers on the market of varying quality) and possibly a barrel, as well as whatever it takes to build it as a semi-auto rather than full-auto, unless you're a properly taxed dealer.

>>31595582
You can transfer anything you can build.

>>31595500
Who knows?
I'd be willing to bet that ar uppers (not legally a firearm) would be plentiful for a while, but my crystal ball -- she no workee.

>>31592658
Holy SHIT are you me? I recently sold a No.4 Mk.1/2 and I'm currently pondering on a polish parts kit.

>>31595582
what >>31595658 said.

If you are going to transfer it, it is recommended to engrave with maker and SN but not required by federal law (state may vary).

>>31595067
This. Built one in April.

>>31595500
dude if you want/need it, even if shillery loses, buy it now, because it wont be around for months....

everyone is already buying large bulk ammo....

>>31595500
I just bought an upper and they seemed to be pretty widely available. I've called around to 4-5 gun shops in the area and can't find a stripped lower
(my post here >>31594825)

Since the lower is actually the firearm, I expect them to be flying off the shelves for the next few weeks and even longer if Hillary really does win. I need one and some mags as well, but don't really know what is good quality and what's shit. I guess I'll just stick with pmags and try to find a deal on some gen 2s or something.

>>31595582

nah, you can transfer it and even sell it.

what you cannot do is make it with the intent to sell it, so 30 years down the line you can sell it.

same with homemade firearms.

>>31595067
That is a far inferior method of heat treatment.

So much so that it isn't worth considering if you have expectations of longevity. un-heat-treated receivers will bend and warp easily with even minor use.

Try doing pushups on your AK and watch it start to crumple in areas it shouldn't.

The absolute best way to start with an 80% is a childersguns heat treated blank, excellent steel.

If you can find other heat treated blanks those would do well too.

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>>31595067
He will need calipers and possibly a depth mic to measure where to weld in the rails.

$100 harbor freight spot welder is absolutely better than trying to stick weld those rails in there. I bought the $20 AK-builder copper tong for it too. When spot welding, stop in between welds to allow the tongs to cool off. If you do not, the receiver will stick to your tongs, and create large divots in the steel. It's obvious to notice spot welds where the tongs were too hot. Manufacturers have much better water-cooled tongs.

Oh and also headspace gauges, drill bits, a drill press, etc.

5mm and 7mm reamer for the trigger pin holes.

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>>31595582
>once you make a "firearm" you may not transfer it to someone els, that lower is yours and only yours for forever.

Lies!
You simply cannot manufacture firearms with the intent to sell them--without the appropriate license.

You may sell your personal firearms, home built or not, as you please.

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I live close to the missouro illinois state line, can i buy guns on armslist from people in missouri and take them across state lines legally? Assuming i follow all exosting laws for firearms transportation in illinois.

>>31592658
Along with the childersguns heat treated 80% blank, I highly recommend the pieces of plastic they sell for drilling the blanks. They are $10 or so, but are invaluable for properly locating those holes.

You will want to drill them with a center-drill that won't wobble or flex away from the center of the hole, then expand the holes with the proper size drill bits.

Hammer and trigger pin holes should be reamed to final diameter with reamers (5mm and 7mm).

Remember that the childersguns blank is a hardened steel, so use sharp drill bits with a flatter cutting edge on the end for drilling hard thin steel.

Don't let the receiver "catch" on the drill bit and start swinging around on your drill press, clamp it down.

If you have any relevant questions to building an AK I'll check back later.

>>31595939
I built my AKs to use as rifles, not workout equipment.

I have a bunch of mineral spirits left after cleaning the cosmo from my sks. I was wondering if I can use it to clean/submerge the metal parts of my ruger SR9c without damaging it, and maybe even my S&W 686.

>>31596046
Some FFLs may be wary. But if you're in full compliance with ATF rules, you should return to a still alive doggo

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>>31596874
so i need to transfer it from ffl to ffl?

>>31596430
lol, don't be silly. Your shitty soft receiver is probably already bent under the mag catch, with the trigger pin holes loosened up quite a bit too.

>>31596996
As long as you pick it up face-to-face with a FFL, you should be fine, along with having your FOID. When I picked up my SKS from the FFL in MO, he did give a bit of an exacerbated look when he saw I still had my IL diver's license (though I'm a MO resident).

Just remember to follow both state's laws when making the purchase.

However, if you're purchasing a pistol, you'll need to get to shipped to a IL FFL

>>31597113
what if its a private sale?

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What was the point of this thing having such a high rate of fire? It seems impractical to use an entire magazine that fast

>>31597145
This will probably be the most pertinent information you'll need
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-licensee-sell-firearm-nonlicensee-who-resident-another-state

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>>31597176
Presumably to slow down the ROF would make it longer or the bolt heavier.

>>31597176
I think for the CIA to assassinate one person up close.

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Is this as shit as most people make it out to be?

>>31597236
Makes sense

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>>31592658
Posted this in the AR thread, but it seems pretty dead.

>anon who knows nothing about ARs here, I have a quick question for you guys.

>I've always owned slavshit, but want to pick up an AR lower at the very least before the election. My research has been limited to browsing /k/, watching some youtube videos, and reading a bit online. Why is there such a huge difference in prices between stripped lowers? It's all just milled steel that's been anodized, right? It's all to the same dimensions, right? It's not like the cheap ones are missing anything, or is it? Am I missing something here?

>tldr goal is to build a close-to-millspec AR; why do prices for lowers range from $70-$300 when the only difference I can find is the roll mark and maybe the finish?

>I'm sure there's something I'm not getting, so be gentle /k/omrades.

Have this bungled abortion for your help.

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>>31597292

Yes. Get a PTR-91 instead if you want a G3 clone.

>>31597565
They're aircraft aluminum.

And the machining and quality control is different from brand to brand, even if they're all made in mostly the same places.

Billet AR lowers are not cast/forged and then machined, they are machined from a solid block.

I would get a nice billet AR lower or two if I had the money for it.

Get a matched billet upper too.

I've got a Ruger 10/22. I already put tech sites on it. What is good sling and sling mounts to add?

>>31597109
My Polish AKMS is the first AK I built and has eaten about 2k rounds. The receiver is as straight as the day I bent it.

That's not to say it's hard to poorly heat treat an AK receiver with MAPP gas, but I don't see why you think it's a horridly inferior approach if you don't plan on primarily using your rifle as a shovel.

>>31594825
You can fuck up and still have a functional lower. I fucked up. It still fires when i pull the trigger

>>31597661
At 2k rounds the trigger pin holes should be wallowed out enough to notice it. Care to examine the holes and take pictures?

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>>31597661
My Polish AKMS has about 2k rounds through it, and it looks like shit.

Soft receiver is no good.

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>>31597936

>>31597661

just fucking toss it in a large campfire or better yet some coal/natural charcoal and blow it with a hairdrier jesus christ it isn't hard, far more consistent heat over it.

>>31597965
just fucking buy a heat treated blank, it's a way better finished product jesus christ it isn't hard, far more consistent heat treat.

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>>31597603
Nice, thanks.

I figured it was mostly a QC/brand reputation thing.

I'm a poorfag student so I probably won't be springing for anything too nice anyway soon. I'm keeping an eye on PSA blemished lowers and Anderson, just waiting for whichever of them comes back into stock first.

>>31597844
I just moved so it's sitting in my parents' gun safe, but as soon as I get a chance to head back home for a weekend I'll gladly provide all the pictures you want.

Are you basing your views on MAPP heat treating on personal experience or from what you've seen others do? Because I've seen egged out trigger pin holes on receivers too, and I've also seen rails with the welds so weak they're snapping off, crookedly bent receivers, and barrel pin holes drilled so poorly you could fit a needle halfway through the trunnion with the barrel pin installed. A number of home built AKs are done very poorly, but just because a method is poorly used by a shitty craftsman does not make it a shitty method.

>>31597991

well yeah but I was assuming they wanted to be an autist about it.

I have a Savage 1899, mfg 1926, beautiful fucking gun. It has this on the stock, what it mean?

>>31598004
Based on not heat treating the entire receiver, as well as personal experience.

Machinists do nigger rigged heat treating, but it isn't intended to be a permanent solution.

>>31598100
shit, it didn't post because the file is too large it's basically a little brass circle with "187" engraved into it that got stamped into the stock.

>>31597965
* until it warps

It's easy to heat things up, but to keep them from warping while you hold them at temperature long enough is hard.

Slowly reaching the temperature you want is also time consuming.

Generally a mapp torch will be a shitty heat treatment.

>>31598124

things don't warp when you heat them up that much, they warm when you quench them, and if you properly preheat your oil and directly put the receiver in that and move it up and down rather than side to side to prevent currents and unequal quenching it aught to be fine.

AK blanks are 4130 right? that means they don't have a large soak time nor any reason why you would need to carefully bring the temperature up.

however regardless as >>31597991 said the best way is not to be an autist and just buy a hardened receiver.

>>31598258
it's such a thin piece it's likely to warp to shit when trying to heat it unevenly, of course.

>>31598422

well of course, which is why I suggested coals instead of wood to make a large coal bed instead of randomly using wood, or even better yet, not doing this shit in the first place.

(Asked this in the AR general, but didn't really get much help.)

Anyone have an insight into detachable carry handles? I really want to get one, but I seem to have run into a few issues.

1. Almost no one has them in stock. Are they not really being made anymore? Are they just being scooped up as cheapish gifts for AR enthusiasts?

2. Why does it seem like you can either buy a $20 chink carry handle, or a $100+ US made carry handle? Does quality actually matter that much for this part? I think I'll probably go with the one from Aero Precision, I like the way it looks and it sounds like it's high quality. On the other hand, would a $20 chink one work just fine? I'm not expecting to get amazing accuracy, but I don't want to buy one that'll strip out when I first tighten it down.

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Sup /k/

Only ever had rifles and shotguns here, never had a handgun before. Pic related caught my eye, and it goes for a bit cheaper than the Beretta 92s. Watched Hickok45 review one and he seemed to like it. Are they any good for a CC? I feel like 30 rounds of 22 mag should be more than enough to deal with whatever threats presenting itself.

Also, why in the fuck does it take android 2 days to notice new pictures?

Why are there a whole bunch of guns missing from the Colt website? Here are the ones I noticed:
new agent
gold cup trophy
half the 1911s
regular commanders
xse

>>31599416
That is one outlandishly ugly gun.

Yesterday I got a chance to finger a nice looking full size gun by taurus at the range but I didn't catch the name and I cant find it on their website. It felt like a vaguely like a hi power except with DA and the safety could be used as a decocker which I really liked. This pseudo hi power set up feels real good but I was more in market for a midsized CC gun at the moment. Anyone know what the gun is and if it comes in a smaller size?

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>>31592658
AK parts kit.
Get that sexy shark fin foregrip.

>>31599416
NO. There have been multiple people on here who have talked at length about what garbage jam o matic break every second pieces of shit those are. Do. Not. Buy. Keltec.

What is a worksafe word for fingerfucking?

>>31594084
neither.... Get a three fold front pocket wallet.

>>31594087
>3 feet at 20 feet
that's simply impossible. He could be failing to center his eye behind the scope.

>>31594637 letting the recoil dissipate with your wrist instead of directly back into your arm

>>31595405
Depends, could probably get it off him for as little as a bullet or two...

>>31600565
"closer look"

>>31600565
fingerfugging

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Found myself a .40 S&W cartridge from a co worker. The coper jacket has a small dent and there's a slight scratch on the other side, can it still feed reliably? And if any asks, he has a Berreta PX4 Storm

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>>31601853
Here's the bottom with the stamping

I've heard Robski sells those perforated sheet metal gas tubes on his website, but can't find it
Neither does a google search for "Khyber Pass gas tube" have anything turn up

Where can an idiot like me find one?

>>31596046
No you cannot, you would have to go through an FFL.

>>31599219
1. They just don't make that many of them. Everyone wants the tacticool red dots or other optics
2. Not sure on this one. I spent $80 on am Anderson and it seems fine.
Don't wrench down on the screws though. They are meant to be hand tightened

>>31599219
They are not in that much demand because it covers the whole upper receiver rail, precluding most people's options to mount an optic and mounting optics ontop of that is questionable with anything that doesn't mount like an acog.

There are fixed rears that mimic special dudes in the military when they were modifying their carbines by cutting off the handle for optics. Otherwise a flip up will do just fine.

If you do want one, I can't recommend the chink handles. The ncstar handle on midwayusa has a wide spread of reviews. Lots of the lower end reviews show sloppy fitting, roll pins and parts falling off, poor looking finish, sight alignment falling out. Others say its alright, but it is clear that going that route is a bit "luck of the draw" on functionality.

If you buy a 60-100 dollar one you won't look back once for the chinese stuff. You'd be surprised how precise you can get with an aperture sight with windage and elevation adjustment.

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Eye pro and ear pro. I'm a scrub and have been using foamies and shop safety glasses. Would these be good? I tend to think 3M and Honeywell as top tier companies.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00CPCH86A/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1475911321&sr=1-2&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=hearing+protection&dpPl=1&dpID=41xZ9ouUE6L&ref=plSrch

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0014VTSYS/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1475911203&sr=8-3&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=eye%2Bpro&dpPl=1&dpID=31YbB0EgkXL&ref=plSrch&th=1&psc=1

>>31602979
Not too bad, but I would aim for 30db muffs instead of the 24db you are pointing at.

>>31601853

Probably, but if the bullet has been set back into the case from whatever impact dented it like that it could possibly asplode. You can measure this if you have the tools.

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Why is the Remington 700 ADL with a scope half the price of all the other 700 variants, even the ones without scopes? Is there something wrong with it? I cant find any difference in specs that might make one better or worse.

>>31603436
I actually switched to these since they won't take 1 to 2 months to ship

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00009LI4K/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2G5S4SDVEREB7

>>31602246
>>31602323
Thanks guys, I appreciate the input. Like most things in life, this seems to be a "buy once,cry once" kind of deal.

>>31603512
Mostly what people are willing to pay I guess. The ADL in your pic is pretty basic, synthetic stock, blued, shitty scope premounted. The scope is likely some cheap shit, Remington probably buys them for $10 each or something. The 700 CDL in that pic is a much more classic deer rifle, which people will spend more money on. Stainless finish, which is like a poor man's nickel (fudds love shiny things). Wood stock which, even if it's laminate or some cheap wood with a glossy finish, is more desireable to the traditional kind of fudd. The barrel is also fluted, which fudds love. It also seems to have a better trigger.

Basically, add $200 for all the things the 700 CDL has which are different than the 700 ADL and you get that price.

Now, which is the better gun? Probably the CDL, but only because the trigger is better. Is it worth $500 more? Probably not, but fudds will drop $800 on it because it looks more like what they're used to.

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>>31603658
Those are what I was going to suggest. If you are in a rush 99.9% of hardware stores have them, although not as cheap as on amazon. I think I paid $30 for mine.

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>>31592658
What are the best night sights for the glock 19?

I was thinking of putting Trijicon HDs on mine

Is it legal for civilians to own any 5.7mm ammo that isn't ss197sr?

>>31604005
Legal to own, just not legal to import.

>>31603930
I have patience. I was mostly doing this to beat prices I was finding in stores

is there a list of states where you can shoot in your own backyard? or do you care to share your state if you can do this?

>>31603809
Thanks that about what I expected. I personally don't like spending more than $50 on anything that doesn't improve accuracy or portability and I always worry how wood stocks handle the elements, as pretty as they are.

Does anyone have the story about the Germans occupying a city during WWII without any violence? I can't remember which city but it involves them rowing across the river, then trying to get a radio back, then having nazis do patrols to convince the civilians, and then the mayor killing himself when he finally realizes what happened.

does anyone live in NJ & legally have a backyard range? I'm thinking of moving & this would be a huge plus, but alas the internet only tells me that Florida isn't an option on this topic.

I was considering a PT92 compact for CC but I but it looks like it's discontinued or something. Is there anything has the same ergos, ie a midsized da with takedown, slide release, and decocker right next to eachother?

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I went to a nearby gun show today and I have $115 in cash left over. What's a cool thing I should get for that much online?

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Am no guns. I want to go hunting, but I've never been hunting in my life, and I don't know anyone personally who has. What's a good organization I could join to teach me about hunting, and what rifle or shotgun would be best to start hunting with?

I live in east Kansas if that helps

>>31596874
So is mineral spirits good for leaning the metal parts of a pistol, or should I just keep it as cosmo and paint removal? And if it's decent, is it fine to submerge the metal parts in it, or just got a toothbrush or one of my brushes?

what is a good 22 inch AR-15 barrel for firing heavier grain rounds? what are some good rounds to look at that would compliment it well?

>>31608045

I should mention that I am trying to outfit this as a medium game hunting rifle and cannot change the round it uses from 5.56 or .223 (it's my dad's rifle and he wouldn't allow it)

>>31608111

bumping for answers

>>31608111

come on guys this is important

>>31597176
It was impractical. It was more of a tool of amusement than a weapon. Going through a 30 round magazine that quickly makes it less effective than many shotguns. Short barrel ment that it was ungodly inaccurate as well. Many MACs have suppressors put on them for controllability and accuracy more than quietness.

>>31607576
That can buy you an AR bump stock if you have an AR.

is there anywhere online to find a good collection of resource for deciding what would be a nice first handgun? i wanna buy one in the spring but the only gun i own is a mosin and it's been awhile since ive looked into guns so im kind of "out of the loop"

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Does /k/ have a guide to reloading?

Is it worth it for .223 and 9mm? Is it worth it if you had to buy brass?

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>>31608345
The answer to your question is Beretta Model 92.

Why? Because it's well-made, reliable, cheap to own, relatively cheap to shoot (9mm), and can be had for very cheap secondhand (look for it around the $300-$375 range for a law enforcement trade-in/Milsurp.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/03/beretta-92-pistol/#axzz4MY6aPQ4e

>>31608345
>what would be a nice first handgun?

Any law enforcement trade-in. Check your local gun shops.

I recently picked up a Yugo Mauser the previous owner had removed the rear sight and bubba'd on a rail. I got that off pretty easily, but lack a rear sight does anyone know where I can find one with all the necessary parts?

>>31608045
>>31608111

bumping for answers

Can I have a working do/k/ument torrent please?
Oh and is murdercube not working for you guys?

>>31609115
>>31608345
This, got a beretta 92fs after researching handguns for two years. (poorfag)
No regrets.

>>31592658
virginiafag here

I have very limited space in my apartment, I'm considering getting 3 guns to cover all my bases. I already have a cz75 compact as EDC.

Marlin 60
Mossberg 500
??? (maybe an FN-FAL, not sure)

Any obviously bad choices/alternatives? Recommendations?

>>31610568
FN/FAL is a good weapon, albeit pricey. I rarely ever see an FAL/L1A1 sell for under $800 beat-to-shit, much less one made by FN.

For that kind of money, you have a lot of options as far as brand-new AR's. I just bought a Colt LE6920 for $899+tax (about $989 total). It's a good weapon, without a doubt. As far as affordable .308's/7.62NATO's go, your options are somewhat limited, there is the Century Arms CETME/C308 for around $750 or so, but it's been getting a bad reputation over some unintentional discharges relating to the firing pin. There is Springfield's excellent line of M1A's, they range from about $1200-$3000 depending on model. If you're in Canada, though, there is a much more affordable variant of the M1A/M14 manufactured by Norinco called the M305 priced around CN$650. Norinco also has another interesting offering, the T97, but this sells for around CN$750-$1000 or so and uses .223/5.56NATO.

>>31611275
Ignore the shit I posted about Canada. I'm tired and forgot you said you were in Virginia.

Was there anything stopping gun makers from making a bolt action with a 15 degree turn for faster operating? I was never sure what made 90 degree turns necessary other than ordnung muss sein.

Sup /k/

Is a PSL build worth it? I've already built two AKs from parts kits and I'm tempted to buy myself a PSL parts kit as an early Christmas present. Anyone have experience with them, or should I just buy one already built?

>>31610568
If you are restricying yourself to 3 guns, then might as well get the best. Scar17 for rifle. 10/22 match takedown or S&W model 41 for a plinker.

>>31608817
Bueller...

>>31608817
>>31613882
Only you can answer that.
Do you have special requirements for ammo that isn't commercially available?
Do you have the equipment?
Do you have the time?
Do you want to reload it rather than buy it?

In general, no. There are many cases where it may be "yes", though.

>>31608219
What is "medium game" and is it even legal to hunt such game with .223 in your area?

>22"
Why so snowflake? 20 and 24 are more common and probably the only options close to that length if you're wanting a fast-twist barrel off-the-shelf.

>>31611936
Nothing but tradition.
If it bothers you that much, just get a straight pull and do away with bolt handle rotation altogether.

>>31614158
Wait, if you can get straight pull in large calibres why DON'T we get rid of bolt handle rotation?

We're still using bolt actions in certain roles, what are the cons of straight pull?

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>>31614485
Cons?
Complexity = greater cost and possibly less rugged

Get a K31 while you can or save your pennies for pic related.

>>31599993
What is that flash hider?

I picked up a single point sling for my AR and I'm not sure which mounting location is better. Should I put it on the castle nut or on the actual stock?

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Where would be the best place for an amateur to begin to educate themselves about how rifling works, what determines the most efficient number of revolutions per unit length of rifling, what determines when a weapon is too short to merit rifling, etc.?

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>>31615365
I personally don't like 1-point slings at all, and would like to talk you into a good 2-point adjustable sling.

However, if you're already set on the 1-point, it should be mounted near the base of the receiver. Either using a plate that goes under the castle nut, or a replacement castle nut with a swivel or QD, or if you're turbopoor a DIY setup on the very front of the buffertube using 550 cord and tape.

The reason for this position is that the rifle will not hang down extremely low and whack you in the legs/nuts as much (and with a standard civilian 16 inch barrel, you're already pushing it even with a proper 1-point setup), and you will be better situated to grab the grip.

You want the pic related location for your mount.

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>>31615620
This pic related mounting position is too floppy and even with the pictured SBRs is still going to whack somebody in the legs a bit, to say nothing of a longer barreled rifle.

>>31595658
>>31595682
>>31595856
>>31596029

link me?
ive always been in the understanding that once you make something, its yours and only yours.

>>31615433
You need to first understand how external ballistics work.

The basic understanding of how rifle bullets travel through the air is that the non-round-ball shape of bullets is aerodynamically unstable. The center of gravity and center of drag are not in the same place. Because of this, the bullet will turn on end when flying through the air without rifling, producing unpredictable external and terminal ballistics. When the bullet rotates around the center of gravity, the effect of the offset center of drag is evened out for all directions of the bullet and, when stable, will straighten the direction of the bullet.

Length of the barrel is mostly irrelevant. What is important is the shape and weight of the projectile. Velocity alone has a fairly small effect on stability (outside the transonic case) compared to the construction of the projectile. Rate of twist is typically given in revolutions per x". That is, a twist of 1 in 8" is a faster twist than 1 in 12". A longer, heavier bullet will require a faster twist to be stable.

>>31615628
Thanks dawg, affirming my suspicions about placement. Gonna order a castle nut adapter for it.

Hi, /k/!

I'm in a 'shall-issue' state with the most gun-friendly laws in the nation, Texas.

My question to you is, I've seen a lot of conflicting information on what I need to do to obtain said license.

The DPS website makes it seem like it's as easy as putting in ID numbers, while some say I have to take a four hour course that ends in a written test, and others say I have to take a 10-to-15 hour course that ends in a written test, and a shooting test.

Could anyone who has recently obtained a CHL or LTC or whatever tell me what the process is for Texas?

>>31616230
You take a class no less that 4 hours and no longer than 6 focusing on chapter 9 of the Texas penal code. Then after the test, you go out and qualify by shooting at 3 yards, 7 yards, and 15 yards. Super easy.

Im looking for a webm/gif/video of a helicopter passenger kicking the rifle of somebodies on a rooftop. believe when it was posted it was said to be PMC on the roof.

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>>31616230
>>31616273
Sometimes I forget how much bullshit even the most "gun friendly" states put you through for the right to carry.

All I had to do was drive to my county courthouse, fill out small form, pay money, get picture taken, and then it was mailed to me about a week later. Feels good bein free.

>>31616324
https://youtu.be/OIZcRTnHClw?t=3m45s

This one? The guys in the heli are blackwater. I don't know the real story, but I heard that the guys on the roof were actually potential opfor, but ROE at the time/place dictated they could not fire upon them.

>>31616739
3:45 for the rooftop scene, btw

All that i want is a .308 boltgun with a nice wood stock, detachable magazines, iron sigjts and no fuckin barrel band. Why cant i find anything im happy with, closest was cz527 carbine but thats only in 7.62x39 or .223

>>31617497
Uhh, cz 550 in .308?

Otherwise a R700 build by parts can get you what you want, probably.

>>31617544
Looked into it, the only model with iron sights is the fs. Ive got nothing against full length stocks, they just dont do anything for me either.

Ive never really thought about building a gun from the reciever. Is an r700 gonna be a pain in the ass if i dont have a lot of expeirence or tools?

>>31617599
>Looked into it, the only model with iron sights is the fs.
You could have irons installed by a gunsmith or do it yourself.

>Ive never really thought about building a gun from the reciever. Is an r700 gonna be a pain in the ass if i dont have a lot of expeirence or tools?
Yeah probably, if you don't enjoy doing things like that. But Brownells has some parts and articles on what it takes. Slapping stuff together can easily put together a 1-2.5 moa gun. Getting more tooling and trueing up the action will get it sub moa.

You can always find a gun with most of the features you want and find aftermarket stocks, sights, or bottom metal to add whichever it is missing. However your mileage may vary.

Is benelliparts.net legitimate? Are they 'USA' made parts? I mean it says they come from Benelli USA...

Are there any 7 round magazine tubes for the M4.

I'm torn between another AR or an M4 but I don't want a shotgun with decreased magazine capacity.

I also don't wanna buy something that expensive and put a pot metal piece of shit magazine tube and play-doh follower and handguards put together by some hillbilly and his cousins trying to skirt 922-R compliance. Are there any good options?

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Is it possible to find Beretta 92 slides that are blank?

>>31618063
Do you have a file?

>>31618168
If the slides are engraved, then wouldn't it be better to use JB weld and sand it down or something?

>>31615664
https://www.atf.gov/file/82791/download

>ATF’s long-standing position is that any activities that result in the making of firearms for sale or distribution, to include installing parts in or on firearm frames and receivers, and processes that primarily enhance a firearm’s durability, constitute firearms manufacturing that may require a manufacturer’s license. In contrast, some activities are not firearms manufacturing processes, and do not require a manufacturer’s license. For example, ATF Ruling 2009-1 (approved January 12, 2009) explained that performing a cosmetic process or activity, such as camouflaging or engraving, that primarily adds to or changes the appearance or decoration of a firearm is not manufacturing. Likewise, ATF Ruling 2009-2 (approved January 12, 2009) stated that installing “drop-in” replacement parts in or on existing, fully assembled firearms does not result in any alteration to the original firearms. Persons engaged in the business of these activities that do not constitute firearms manufacturing need only obtain a dealer’s license.

>Although installing parts in or on firearms, and applying special coatings and treatments to firearms are manufacturing activities, the definition of “manufacturer” in 18 U.S.C.921(a)(10) and 27 CFR 478.11 also requires that a person be “engaged in the business” before the manufacturer’s license requirement of section 923(a) applies.Thus, a person who manufactures a firearm will require a manufacturer’s license if he/she devotes time, attention, and labor to such manufacture as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the firearms.

Key words are "regular course of trade" and "principal object of livelihood and profit",

>>31598118
It was probably a murder weapon

Never had a gun before

Want a nice rabbit/squirrel shooting gun. Is something in .22 good enough? Could I get something bigger that I could later use for hunting something like pheasants?

>>31618669
.22 is good for rabbit sized things, anything larger and you may want to move up in caliber.

Birds like phesants and duck are best taken with shotguns loaded with birdshot.

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I'm looking to rebore a .32ACP barrel to .380 Auto. The rest of the firearm is set up to handle either .32 or .380, it just needs a barrel swap. Original .380 barrels are impossible to find.

Is this something I can do on my own (if so, what do I need), or should I leave it to a gunsmith (if so, who do you recommend)?

>>31618732
It is a fairly specialized thing to do. The whole bore would have to be reamed and then a new chamber reamed. After the bore is reamed, it would likely need lapping to remove tool marks, then new rifling cut.

I would leave it to a gunsmith who has the tools already. If it were a different chambering of the same bore dimension, you might have been able to get away with just a chamber reamer, but even that is something that would be better off done by a gunsmith.

>>31618808

Thanks anon. Do you know any gunsmiths you could recommend? I haven't had a lot of luck online - it seems like a lot of them either specialize in rifle barrels or specific handguns only.

>>31592658
Parts kit, milsurp is going to be the last thing that gets banned.
>>31595067
Could also get a barreled receiver for marginally more and save 200~ dollars or so.
>>31595293
I have ppsh blueprints and an instruction manual on making a Mac clone out of box tubing.

>>31618236
Traditionally the slides are milled down just enough to shave off the rollmarks.

>>31618871
You could probably get someone that does professional Luger/C96 9mm conversions/rebores to do it.

I have an AK74 and I love it. My fiance also likes to shoot it since its easy to operate and has low recoil. If Hillary wins the election, I'm going to buy another rifle before she decides to ban them.

Now, should I buy another 74 or diversify and get an ar15 or fal?

>>31619341
Diversify. AK74s are fun, but 5.45 is a dead end in America that relies on imports, and a decent 74 will cost you 1k these days. Build an AR15- it'll cost you $600 for a middle of the road do all rifle, has low recoil just like the 74 and is easy enough to operate that the Marines use it.

>>31619341
AK74 has about the same felt recoil as an AR. AK74s used to be a sort of unknown way to shoot a rifle for cheap, as the surplus ammo cost about half of what 5.56mm costs, but ever since Russian milsurp ammo was banned, commercial prices are about even with 5.56mm and harder to find.

I'd definately go for an AR if you don't have one.

Hi /k/ i was wondering,
Ive never been in the military and i have looked everywhere to try and figure out what a naval aviator's uniform looks like. What it look slike in the jet, what it looks like when they are on the carrier, and what it looks like when they are off the carrier. Do they have to wear the blueberry uniform?

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>>31619815
Well the flight suits worn in the jets would still be the olive ones, as far as I know

>>31619361
>easy enough to operate that the Marines use it
Kek

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what exactly causes failure to eject/stovepiping in a blowback semi auto rifle? specifically, a 10/22? it's a brand new gun, and it seems to happen at random. it'll go a 25 round mag or two just fine, then randomly jam on 2-3 shots on the next load. is it just shitty ammo? was alternating a bit between CCI minimags and Federal HV Match, and it jammed on both (albeit only once or twice with the CCI). was also going between the stock 10 round rotary mag, and rugers official 25 round mag.

and second, are CCI stingers really bad for this rifle? I keep hearing conflicting stories.

>>31620247
>what exactly causes failure to eject/stovepiping
general dirtiness or the extractor and ejector are damaged
the other fault could be ammo but 10/22s tend to eat most standard ammo

mag related jams are failures to feed or cycle
if its making it into the chamber the mag is fine

>>31620247
most likely not broken in yet. Rugers aren't known for operating smoothly out of the box.

Make sure you shoot a couple hundred rounds of high velocity ammo through it to start off with.

If you want to get deeper into it, break it down, clean it up, and polish the guide rod. Some people like to remove the paint where the bolt rides as well. Also chamfering/polishing the bolt where it rides against the hammer.

>>31620289
>>31620290
Cool. Thanks for the tips. It DID double feed once (had to drop the mag out and dick with the bolt a bit), but beyond that, nothing that racking it again didn't solve. Guy I went shooting with also had a 10/22, and his flat out refused the federal. Would jam up at least twice every mag. Then again, he's had his for well oflver 10 years and he's never cleaned it, so...

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Is $349 too much for a decent quality Izhmash M44 with a laminated stock? It's got all matching serials, and the stock is pretty nice for the most part. Pic related, it's the stock. Didn't have a light, so I wasn't able to get a good look at the bore.

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so, other than where it was made, what are the differences between the Maverick 88 and the 500? will parts interchange? if I buy, say, a stock for an 88, will it fit the 500, and vice versa?

>>31620780

The only things that won't interchange are the trigger group and magazine end cap I believe. The only real mechanical difference is the safety location. The parts for the 88 are made in Mexico and assembled in the USA, which explains the price difference. The fit and finish are also a little worse on the 88, but it's an absolutely solid shotgun and probably the best "budget" one you can buy brand new.

I'm a member of the military, and I live in California. Back home, I have a Mauser.
Now I want to go hunting in Cali-
Should I take my baby from back home and lie awake at night thinking that she's in the armory with a bunch of muhreens, or should I buy something else that I wouldn't be afraid of keeping in the armory?

>>31621084
Is it a Mitchell's? If so, go get it. The armourers can't fuck it up any more than it already is.

If it has sentimental or monetary value, I'd definitely go get me a savage or mossberg. They won't give it a second look, and it will work most excellent.

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>>31621211
It's a Turk Mauser, and to be honest me and my dad had no idea what it was.
Also, I'm trying to find a poorfag rifle that still shoots a big caliber.
pic may or may not be related

>>31620639
yes

>>31621261
What's next? A hipoint as a sidearm?

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Why are tan Scar 16s and 17s so inconsistent in the color department?

I've seen yellowish ones, some that aren't two tone but all tan, some that are orange-y, and some where the upper is normal but the polymer lower is brown.

What's up with that?

>>31621517
I think it is because FN is a little bit negligent of their polymer color formula. Remember that when russians were experimenting with polymer furniture, early pieces were too brittle in black, but acceptable in plum. Until they figured out their color formula, we got lots of plum stuff on the market.

From my experience with concrete, textile, and molded fiberglass industries, it is actually a tad tricky and takes some attention for colors to come out right when mixing materials together. Most places have QC testing for specifically the colors of their results. I guess FN either is not testing for color consistency or they are not getting the desired color without compromising durability or other needs.

I'm in the market for a waterproof/resistant boot that will do okay in the snow/cold. What would /k/ recommend (because I think you all are more function oriented than /fa/)? Going to be in a semi-professional environment but surrounded by county folk, so no style is really off the table.

how do you goys feel about 32 acp

Is the Jericho 941 a good 9mm? Is it rated for +P 9mm and higher?

>>31621712
Yes and yes (real, steel framed ones at least, not the stupid polymer frames)

Original 9mm Jerichos were sold with .41AE barrels which is hotter than .40S&W, so +P 9mm is perfectly fine.

>>31621669
You should always use the one caliber that John Moses Browning himself made and designed for every citizen to carry daily and at all times: .32 acp

A lot of the old guns chambered in it are garbage tho

In all seriousness if you shell out on modern spendy boutique ammo for carry, it can meet the FBI requirement standard. Any 9mm fags tell you about muh stopping power, ask them what .45 is

>>31621737
neat
have an fn1910 coming, which is more of an antique than for carry
still excited to try it though

>>31621654
http://www.carolinashoe.com/Product?stockNo=1309

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In System of a Down's song "Sugar" on their first album, Serj says:
>I got a gun the other day, from Sako, it's cute, it's small, fits right in my pocket

I recognize Sako as the Finnish manufacturer that makes overpriced bolt-action rifles. Did they ever make handguns?

>>31618732
that sounds really retarded and not worth the effort

Apparently if everything goes right we will be able to carry weapons outside our home here in mexico.

What are some important stuff to have/do when you carry a weapon inside your car?

Like how in my home i have a safe for them.

can someone post the image with the different camo patterns for the different U.S. States?

>>31622140
Nope. Only rifles, Barretta handles the handguns.

They may seem overpriced but my A7 outshoots my 700, and the bolt action is so smooth it make anything else seem like a nagant in comparison.

>>31622140
They made competition pistols, and pistols for the Finnish Army in WW2. Nothing modern.

>>31623373
Please don't reply if you don't actually know the answer.

>>31623382
pistol ammunition in WW2***

Is $650 a good price for an L1A1 kit?

>>31615875
Thanks! These seem like some good basics to start with. I'll jot them down to help with forming search terms for stuff later.

Rheinmetall's new MMG, the RMG 7.62 has 3 barrels. When it electronically detects it's getting too hot, it switches barrels.

At that point why not just use a rotary machine gun? Gotta be less complicated, no computer, no electronics, no delay to switch barrels. It makes no sense to me.

>>31615875
>Length of the barrel is mostly irrelevant. What is important is the shape and weight of the projectile. Velocity alone has a fairly small effect on stability (outside the transonic case) compared to the construction of the projectile. Rate of twist is typically given in revolutions per x". That is, a twist of 1 in 8" is a faster twist than 1 in 12". A longer, heavier bullet will require a faster twist to be stable.

So for a rifle that you plan on using multiple types of ammunition (different bullet weights for example), you should skew towards a faster twist rate?

Will that sacrifice performance for lighter rounds due to more "powder force" being turned into rotation or is that negligible?

>>31623919
Generally yes. From a match level perspective, "overstabilizing" _can_ have some detrimental effect, but for most calibers and bullets it is hardly in the territory of practical. Another consideration is that light, non-bonded bullets out of small bore magnum calibers may come apart with high twist (say a unbonded 110gr 308 bullet out of a .300 ultra mag). For about everything within 5.56, it will not be a big deal using light stuff with the faster rates on market.

To give an example, old M16A1s had a slow twist rate that would stabilize M193. When M855 (a fairly long bullet for its weight due to the less dense steel in the tip) came along, the old M16s would group in feet at 100 yards with lots of keyholing. Newer weapons have the faster twist rates to stabilize the heavier, longer bullets, but are perfectly okay firing M193 still.

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What's the /k/onsensus on the su-16CA by Leltec?

>>31624747
Friend has an SU16A, he's had maybe one or two minor jams in 1000 rounds. About the same performance wise the my S&W M&P15. His only cost him 400 vs my 800 though >.>

>>31624760
The 16C has better looking sights. I've thought about buying one but now they're up around 600 and I don't see the point.

not directly weapons related, but more or older male health and one of thos things awkward to talk about with my actual friends;

how much drinking is too much?

if someone finishes and restocks a fifth per week of their favorite liquor and maybe a bottle or two of wine or a few drinks of some other liquor; is that a drinking problem?

i dont mean a getting into drunken crashes, fights, losing jobs behavioral stuff, i mean is that going to lead to chirrosis and other nasty medical stuff?

>>31625495
yes

>>31625495
I dont know man, thats about how much me and my friends drink but were all early 20s. Military told me if i ever have more than 3 drinks a night im an alcoholic, but they also said if i ever make plans to drink im one also.
Its probably not good for in any case. If youre worried about your health why not just cut back some?


Id like to get a silenced .22 pistol. Should i try to get one of those rugers with a built in suppresor or just get a threaded barrel?

I want an AR but i dont want to put this gay hit on it when i move back home in CA

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What is a sub 600$ 5.56 semiauto?

>>31625576
let me know when you find one

>>31625576
.223 is fine too

>>31625576

I wish SAR80s were widely distributed. They would be .223/5.56

>>31625495
I'd say you're drinking too much. I drink about the same amount per week also and I know I need to slow down.

>>31596046
In order to not buy from an FFL holder, you need to be a resident of the same state that the seller lives in. To trade across state lines, an FFL holder needs to be involved

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Memes aside, what are some nicknames for 9mm and .45 ACP?

I'm giving this as a gift to some peace loving noguns friends and I want to put it on the card.

>>31625629
>>31625576
M&p15
PSA ar

Can I buy a handgun from an FFL holder in another state and bring it back to my home state?

I ask because my home state has an extra handgun purchase permit that I want to get around.

>>31625549
If you're considering an SRT or Coastal integral, please don't.

SRT sucks. I don't know if dude is a flat out scammer or just dense, but he basically ripped me off and his stuff is no where near as good as he thinks it is.

Coastal sucks too.

I would get a separate can, rather than an integral pistol. That way you can change hosts.

You can always add the integral later if you think you need one.

>>31625763
not legally

>>31625787
Damn. I really want to move to Vermont now, but there are no tech jobs out there.

>>31625777
I hadnt really begun looking at brands, i just know theyre a thing. I was leaning towards a seperate can anyways, i figured the integral wouldve been a neat conversation piece

>>31625725
Which psa ar would you recommend?

>>31593099
This. Save up your money for fun stuff that way you never have to compromise.

Quick question

By definition what is the strategic. and/or mechanical difference between a SAW and a GPMG.What sets one apart from the other?

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Hi /k/, I just got myself a Beretta 92S, (which is different from the FS) and it looks pretty good. Does anyone know where I can find a manual/database about taking care of the gun properly, or things to look out for?

Does anyone here know any basics about the pistol, or where I can even get extra mags?

>>31599416

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anyone know where this is from?

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>>31626676
You get a lot of noise and confusion when talking about different periods of time, and different countries, who all designate things a bit differently.

But in general, in the US and most western ways of thinking, a SAW, which is a variant of a light machinegun is going to be chambered is a carbine caliber (5.56mm, 7.62x39, 5.45mm) and is employed as an individual weapon.

A SAW/LMG is generally lighter and provides fireteam level firepower and can both move with a team, or provide a local base of fire. Since it is of a lighter caliber, it can be easily shoulder fired and used in movements keeping up with riflemen.

A GPMG or medium machinegun (MMG) would be a weapon chambered in a full power cartridge (7.62x51, 7.62x54r). This weapon has a more powerful round, but is heavier and can not be as effectively fired on the move. It is generally considered a crew served weapon and will provide a base of fire from a relatively more static position. Generally in US organizations, several GPMGs will provide the base of fire in a platoon during combat.

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From what I have read online, the Russians have started to replace their automatic rifles (RPKs) with GPMGs (PKM or PKP). So you have a heavier, full power machinegun doing the role that a western military would use an LMG/SAW in. I do not know how this will work out, seeing that even the PKP looks far bulkier and difficult to shoot on the move than a light automatic weapon in a carbine caliber, but we'll see how it works out. The Russians, for whatever reason have never seemed terribly interested in a beltfed lightmachinegun, instead relying on the RPK to mixed results, and the PKM to fill in the gaps.

What's a good price for a used police 870??

>>31627195
3

>>31627215
Good, found one for about $300 shipped.

>>31626779
Infowars

>>31627260
That's 297 too much

What are some reliable but not $800 revolvers?

>>31627380
from more to less expensive
Ruger GP100
a used Security Six
EAA Windicator
Charter Bulldog

>>31627438
Thanks man

How much should i pay for a finn mosin? All the ones on gunbroker are ~600, is that fair?

Whats the ammo market for 54r like outside of surplus. Am i gonna have to reload my own for better quality shit

>>31594637
>I don't understand what this target means, but it's useful

That target is shit. It's marginally useful but is not consistently right about the cause of a miss, if you use it to attempt to correct problems you'll likely just end up shuffling your grip around and cause new issues by fixing problems that aren't there.

Is .357 Mag out of a proper 4" barrel objectively better than 9mm, .40 and .45 Auto, or does it fall into the same "all handgun cartridges suck" category? If I'm carrying a revolver I'd like to know it's at least more effective shot-for-shot.

>>31627700
Expect .308win prices for non surplus ammo, though some of the match stuff is not too much more than basic non-surplus FMJ. Most of what I regularly see stocked is PPU, which is good to reload in other calibers I have shot of theirs.

>>31627848
have you chrono'd your loads?

Honestly can't get a great ballpark with revolvers because of the effect of cylinder gap is not consistent unless you measure the MV of your own loads.

It will have a bigger wound cavity--which is true when talking about 9mm vs .40 vs .45--look at some gel tests and decide for yourself if the bigger wound cavity justifies different weight/capacity/etc

Has anyone used Golden Tiger ammo? It looks like the dodgiest shit, but damn if it's cheap.

>>31628121
Golden Tiger is great is Slav calibers- it's literally just Russian milspec ammo made between contracts. Both their 5.45 and 7.62x39 is considered the best around.
In 5.56, the primers are often too hard for weaker AR15 FCGs to detonate reliably.

How much can you learn about guns without actually having guns?

>>31628197
a lot and almost nothing

>>31628004
Thats not too bad, im paying for commercial .308 now because my press hasnt arrived. I was afraid id have to like pull the bullets and refill them with my own powder to get good ammo.

Still the price, 600 is about what i should be paying or no

>>31628214

Saladin pls

>>31628256
In all honesty, you really need to delve into nitty gritty technical shit to really learn anything without trying it yourself. Most of the "conventional wisdom" is fuddlore or ninjamyth. About everything you think you know about firearms and ballistics is wrong and you need to painstakingly read scientific texts to understand. There are elements to firearms, internal, external, and terminal ballistics that most people with firearms don't know shit about.

However, you will never be able to just read a book on guns and go out and shoot like someone who has put lots of deliberate time into training.

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>>31592658
Should I get a stoeger compact cougar 8000? Price is 280$ after my discount new.

>>31628775
sure, they're a decent T*rk knockoff of the PX4 with a steel frame.

>>31628798
decent is all I expect at 280$ thanks!

>>31628775
Good pistolas if you want a PX4 but like the metal frame.

>>31628798
>Turk knockoffs

Stoeger is owned by Beretta. They use the original tooling, and trained by Beretta in how to make them, and Beretta oversees production and handles importation/distribution/marketing. It's just a Beretta Cougar made in another factory.

>>31625576
M85 PAP pistol

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Does anyone have proof that a sword with a fuller is better than a sword without a fuller?