WW3 very soon

Do it faggots

https://youtu.be/VvVrQqU1Gwc

>>31585758
>Russia Insider

bahaha

>>31586778
>video of someone important saying words is posted
>haha, it's posted by a source I don't like! Those words that person in a position of authority are saying are meaningless!

ok bud

what if they are actually effective?

>>31586843
Go to there website and take a look for yourself.

>America will either finally be the one to beat Russia in a conventional war or join the countless other nations that have tried

Can't wait to see what happens

Can we get some tips on how to survive nuclear holocaust in this thread though? Asking for a friend

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>>31586580
All the fucking comments in this video

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>>31585758
>>31586580

>>31587096
Russia has been beaten many times in a conventional war.

dumb boomers

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let's role

>>31585758
>how effective the S300 and 400 are
Don't forget the S200 that the Syrians themselves are already operating.

Is it a bad sign if I want to see them come to shooting just so I can see the legendary shitposting after the result?

>>31587096
>Can we get some tips on how to survive nuclear holocaust in this thread though?

Live in America, but away from major military targets. Watch Russia die on CNN.

>>31587524
that's what he's saying

Trump better win, goddammit.

I don't want whites to kill more whites.

Fuck the kikes for starting another brother war.

>>31587714
>syrians
>white

>>31587116
>Comment section full of commies

Don't they know Communism is a lie?

Goddammit, I wanna be a space miner!

Obama third term

http://www.morningledger.com/russia-preparing-for-war-putin-nukes/13109292/

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>white people killing each other again

>mfw I'm black and I'm gonna fuck all the white American widows

>>31588900
Don't let this nigger win.

>>31588900
>implying there's no black in the us army
>winners in a nuclear holocaust

>>31587714
>Russia
>White

>>31585758
almost happening and my SPOSN vest didn't arrived yet

lmao the video title

>>31587714
>russia
>brother
>white

Fucking kill yourself commie faggot.

>>31588900

typical nigger logic

>Crackas start nuclear war
>I fuck dem wite wimminz
>somehow I don't get conscripted or blown in nuclear holocaust
>blacks do really well in cold climates

I swear... I can't wait for the day every shitskin is genocided

>>31588900
>ok sir whats next?
>drop 5 SS-18 Satan to michigan
>тaк тoчнa commandir
>oh wait but leave Detroit untouched thoose are black not whites

>>31589014
>I can't wait for the day every shitskin is genocided
Neither can I, it'll be such a hilarious shit-show watching you and all the other wanna-be crusaders being summarily executed.

>>31589042
This

Fuck white people

We will kick your ass if you start shit

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>>31589056
BLM go and stay go

>>31585758
>Russians genuinely think there is a scenario where they straight out confront the US and don't get their shit pushed in

This is the danger in being a pathological liar.
You keep bullshitting everyone and then one day you start believing it yourself.
It's gonna be one hell of a wake-up call if they actually try anything.

>>31589449
>US won't support Philippines against china because fear of war

lol get fucked

>>31585758
Didn't /pol/ say it was going to happen this last tuesday

>>31585758
>legacy-obsessed first black president allows his legacy to be "started nuclear war"

no

>>31589498
Speaking of /pol/

I swear I remember them wanting WW3 a few years ago. Now they don't?

>>31589498
>didn't /pol/ say it was going to finally happen for real this time you guys last ___________

Yes

>>31589004
more white and more brotherly than jews and al qaeda

>>31589526
They must have really stressful lives. Constantly worrying about the boogeyman

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>>31589056
Tyrone can't even handle a couple of korean shopkeepers.

>>31589554
If their lives were good they probably wouldn't be blaming everything from bad dates to inclement weather on Da Joos

>>31589038
>>31589014
>>31588910
>>31588905
>>31588905
>>31589210
>>31589056
>falling for shit tier bait

what shithole forum did you come from?

>>31589601
t. Hershell Kikenbergstein

>>31589601
I always thought that was just a /pol/ meme

>>31586580
Is this a general or some kind of preacher in church in the middle of Texas? Hallelujah, brothers and shit, you know.

>>31589625
I thought that too, i mean why would anyone blame the jews for anything.
And if you like reading, you read the Talmud and Protocols of the learned Elders of Zion.
And then your jimmies are rustled because you cant just go and say, /pol/ was right. And you jump onto a bandwagon that goes against your beliefs because you're battling with your self.
Cant wake up, wake me up inside

>>31589649

Nice try, /pol/.

>>31587714
>Trump
>Prevent a war with Russia
>Pick one

>>31589663
If you read the 2 you will come here too.

>>31586993
>Russia
>Effective
Pick one we are talking about the guys who are among the FEW to actually lose shit to ISIS. Remember when they talked all that shit and said they would have ISIS dealt with months ago?

>>31587658
>S200 that the Syrians themselves are already operating.

The big old S200s are not particulary effective against high tech warplanes the US or Israel or Turkey will deploy. BUK on the other hand is pretty fucking lethal. The russians themselves couldn't jam it effectively in Georgia. So that might cz some casualties if deployed correctly. Their only drawback is their 'relatively short' 30-45 km range.

But S300 and S400 are on a whole different level. They can and probably WILL be beaten and destroyed in the end, but not before shooting down dozens of attacking aircraft as not even the Raptor can hide from their long wave lenght radars. F16s and F15s or F18s have NO WAY of hiding from their radars...and I wouldn't even bother with EW. Buk is 1 scale lower then S300 and 2 scales lower than S400 and it's own creators, the russians, couldn't jam them effectively. What chance do american EW planes, Growlers and others have to jam them? They were designed to operate under heavy EW.

If Clinton becomes POTUS then we will know for sure soon.

>>31589683
The US government boasted that they will crush the Talib goatherders 15 years ago and they are still aren't making progress and the Taliban didn't have high tech weapon 'donators' behind them, like the ISIS has now.

In light of that, ISIS is on it's last legs and unless the US makes war upon Syrians and Russians to save these shitheads, then they will be wiped out soon, thankfully.

>>31589668
Dude, Hillary is a maniac with a pocked filled with money from military industry. It's a fucking fact. Hillary is the one who would push The Button.

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>>31585758

>/k/ on suicide watch

"And all the illusions of amateurs about the existence of invisible jets will face a disappointing reality."

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Ground based air defense is obsolete

>>31589722
So are tanks.

>>31589704
>Hillary is the one who would push The Button.

Does that mean I should vote for her instead of Trump?

>>31589722
This even if those missiles were any good they would simply be taken out by cruise missiles that they would not be able to do shit about.

>>31589721
They seem to be so in love with electronic warfare, what would happen if we gave them a taste of their own medicine? I guess that would be impossible too.

>>31588900
>blacks aren't killing other blacks like its year zero and their rice sacks are

Speaking of which, either Asians or Huemonkeys are going to inherit the earth

>>31589704
>Dude, Hillary is a maniac with a pocked filled with money from military industry. It's a fucking fact. Hillary is the one who would push The Button.
She's a level-headed politician. Or did you miss the debates where she was calm, collected, and on message while Trump was just a douche? Trump is a psychotic ape who has literally stated that his response to Iranian sailors taunting our ships would be "blow them out of the water." Which is, you know, an act of war.

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>>31589721
"We can't into stealth or detect it, so we're gonna meme."

>>31589753
>Which is, you know, an act of war
What about a no-fly zone over Syria?

>>31589734
In effect, yes but it would be the same story for Trump except he wouldn't even have to push the button, if he came in with his isolationist policy China and Russia would do as they please.

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>>31589722
Dude, shooting down such things is not something impossible. Even for export versions of not most advanced systems. It was impossible in 90th, but not today. 2G maneuver capability is a joke. S300 modification deployed in Syria is top of the line. And, probably, it has full set of SA-22s for self-defence.

>>31589788
Top of the line by Russian standards
Anyway you don't need to shoot it out of the sky take it out while it is still on the ground. It is not gonna be able to counter a cruise missile, hell probably not even a strike from the fighters it is suppose to shoot down.

>>31589721

That's a lot of tough talk for a country with less GDP than Spain, less than 5% of which is being spent on the military.

>>31589788
>Missing the point that MALD-J is out there to get your IADS distracted and scanning and shooting at a decoy

>>31589753
>She's a level-headed politician.
That level-headed politician is personally responsible for Libyan campaign which, you know, was trigger for all that islamic-african-middle-east-shit. What for? For money. Trump connected to construction industry, he is going to solve US internal problems to please his sponsors, not create new external.

>>31585758
The American government is more corrupt at this point in time.

A war would end badly.

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>>31589788
>we just shoot down decoy that stop it!

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>>31589817
>implying you can distract system capable to track 300 targets

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>>31589721
The chest thumping is real, kek.

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>>31589864
STOP MY SIDES CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE

>>31589721
>"And all the illusions of amateurs about the existence of invisible jets will face a disappointing reality."
What'll happen when Russians realize they're not invincible and the first American bomb blows up 20 Russian soldiers? It's very foolish of him.

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>>31589721
>mfw Pierre Sprey was right all along

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>>31589721

>>31589722
/fit/: the missile

>>31589766
>>31589803
>>31589869
>>31589879
>>31589882

lo' and behold! These are the amateurs of which he was speaking. Right on time!

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>>31585758
>>31586580
>Generals waving their cocks
It is imageboard shitposting tier and it is fucking hilarious.

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>>31589766
>>31589803
>>31589869
>>31589879

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>>31590002

There will be the 2nd civil war in ameriniggerka, north vs south again.
Guess who will lead the north and who will lead the south.
Its been coming for a long time and none of you will think its fun when it comes.
But i hope the good guys win this time.

>>31590095
But the good guys did win last time.

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>>31590101
If you say so.

>>31590145
Status of rekking:

{x} rekt
[ ] stood ground firmly

>>31590169
who rekt who?

>>31585758
WE
WUZ
GREAT
SOVIET
GLOBAL
SUPERPOWA
N'
SHIEETTT

It really is time for Washington to pay the bills.

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>killing Russians in the name of brown terrorists

>>31589753
Thank you for Correcting the Record.

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>>31589721

>>31589864
301 missiles

Oh Russia, you are so funny.

>>31589554

I'm actually a frequent traveler between /pol/ and /k/. Once you filter out the bots, shills and trolls you've mostly got guys that are bored with their mundane life and just want to see a good happening.

Are we seriously this close to war over fucking Syria?

SYRIA. Really?

>>31585758
a) Russia's presence in the region is tiny, compare that with dozens of US mil bases and tens of thousands of personnel throughout the region (outgunned and surrounded and isolated).
b) The US will never deliberately strike against Assad as this would be against US interests, keep in mind that US Syria policy is incredibly schizophrenic (otherwise this would have been done years ago). I suggest you /pol/ tards and Vatniks read up on this a bit more as none of you seem to know much about Syira, the war or US policy toward it.
c) The S-whatevers, although effective, are not "invincible" nor can they be used against the B-2/F-22 (this is already irrelevant as the US will never even attempt to strike the Ruskies because see point B). There is no credible evidence to suggest that these air defence systems can track stealth with "low frequency radio waves". These air defence systems are mainly political tools for the Kremlin anyway, and rather pointless because they are protecting the area of Syria the US is least likely to strike, which by the way, is never going to happen.
d) Whether Russia or the US like it or not, the Sunni states are likely to start supplying the rebels much much more as they continue to suffer defeats, and I don't think the S-super weapons can stop weapons ideal for insurgencies from coming across the hundreds of kilometres of border the rebels share with Turkey.

So that's the situation and I'm tired of seeing threads about this every single fucking day.

>>31590616
We have gone to war over dinner interational incidents.

It only takes some politicians with a negligent foreign policy who love to talk tough.

>>31590624

You mean like the US "accidentally" killing saa troops last month? How many times do you think this will keep happening until they don't seem like accidents anymore? When numerous warhawk politicians and military leaders are pushing for the US to attack the saa on top of it already happening in the past your second point doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

>>31590624
>The US will never deliberately strike against Assad as this would be against US interests, keep in mind that US Syria policy is incredibly schizophrenic
Well, the biggest lesson from Iraq/Afghanistan was "they have to do it themselves with a little help", because ISIS as it is now is mostly the result of US-controlled activities just being dropped once handed off to the Iraqi government (notably the camps where the worst of the insurgents were imprisoned and dropping the Sons of Iraq from payroll instead of integrating them into the military).

>>31590751
Dumber

Phone posting

>>31589882
source on image?

>>31590764
The US has been doing strikes around Deir Ez-Zor for months against ISIS and not once in that time have they struck the SAA, until recently.

Why are they doing strikes there?

That's because Deir is under siege by ISIS and is constantly under attack by ISIS, thus, this makes it an ideal place for striking ISIS because there is a lot of ISIS members staging in the area because ISIS is attacking Deir all the time, because for ISIS, they can't ignore it as it is smack bang in the middle of their supply lines along the Euprates.

>>31590774
Iraq and Afghan have nothing to do with Syria, the civil war broke out for reasons unique to Syria, nothing else.

ISIS just exploited the anarchy and went over the border to Syria, then back again in force.. we all know the story.

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>>31590624
>nor can they be used against the B-2/F-22

>>31590876
That's right anon, the room for getting a lock on one of those planes flying at high alt would be incredibly slim.

The S-400 isn't a fucking Duga radar you retard

>>31590863
But it does inform the hands-off, assistance-only policy we've been using instead of direct intervention.

>>31590958
I think you're overestimating how much of a "proxy force" the rebels are for the US, for the Sunni states on the other hand, it's a different story

>>31590876

They really can't.

>>31591040
how do you know

>>31585758
If i were Malaysia Airlines i would be extra cautious. kek

>>31591053
Basic physics.

>>31591053
Well reality for one thing, and the fact that all these S-400 can shoot down stealth satellites memery comes from.. hmm I wonder where?

>>31589964
>>31590002
Lo' and behold, the ass blasted vatniks.

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>>31591132
From giant amount of power in their phased radars and RCS numbers provided by Russian military research institutions. Which, BTW, for now are ONLY specific RCS numbers provided by official military. All that 0.0000001m2 numbers in media are taken from that "size of golf ball" interview and has no source.

>anyone that questions the US is a vatnik

epic

>>31591242
Raw power doesn't mean anything if you can't get useful returns. And Russian equipment has never gotten a good chance to really do an RF inspection of American stealth.

>>31591297
There's a difference between questioning American superiority and blindly saying that the US HAS NO CHANCE AGAINST GLORIOUS RUSSIAN EMPIRE ALL PLANE BLOW UP NUCLEAR FIRE RUSSIA STRONK.

But I wouldn't expect a rooster to understand.

>>31586580
The comments on this video make me genuinely want a war with Russia.

Humbling them would be fucking incredible, and the flood of Russian butthurt would be biblical

>>31587725
Syrians aren't pushing for war. That's the kikes pulling the strings of our government

>War between US and Russia
>eventually becomes stalemate because Russia has to draw from a civilian population of drunks, while US has to draw from millennials

>>31590764
The US notified the Russians about a strike in that area. Nothing had pointed to SAA troops in the area, and the Russians agreed to the strike.

They let Syrians die for a cheap propoganda moment.

>>31591598
You know they'd throw a nuclear temper tantrum.

>>31585758
only if fucking clinton wins

>>31591598
probably i'd want a better reason to go to war than that

>>31592160
Clinton is going to win you fucking white male

lots of /v/pol/b/ here

>>31588900
lmao all you white shit stains fall for this bait every time. (you) dumbasses

>>31589721

I think a lot of the stealth fanboys are going to be disappointed by their meme technology. I want to see a show down just to see a few F-22s BTFO.

>>31592434
>we wuz just pretendin to be retarded, honkies!

>>31591242

I believe it.

With the power of software today, you can easily resolve even tiny radar signatures and code them as a threat signature.

>>31591458
>US HAS NO CHANCE AGAINST GLORIOUS RUSSIAN EMPIRE ALL

You must be retarded, or simply did not watch the video.

The guy was quite reserved: he said that American calculations should involve the potential loss of air assets if they decide to assault Syria, which BTW, is against every international convention, if we're still faking a semblance of that.

>>31591598
/k/ (the ones that fall for the shilling) makes me want to murder white and jewish american babies in the hospitals, but i dont have to be an edgy faggot about it.
Your nation is in the wrong. Your government is supporting the same people that did 911.
But you care about boasting more.

>>31592570
>makes me want to murder white and jewish american babies in the hospitals, but i dont have to be an edgy faggot

This is incredible, and the kind of quality posting/ranting we would see after a US/Russia conflict

>>31592600
There wouldnt be any posting after that conflict. Nobody would hear or give a shit about any ranting.

Finally a thread where I can see some actual opinions on this rather than /pol/'s.

>hurr Russia is greatest country!
>super great economy and military!!!
>america gay, russia super fire awesome!!!
>russia is aryan white, 101%!
>omg russia please save us from evil jews

Glad /k/ exists.

>>31592718
should have been here years ago

/k/ is just the weapons section of /pol/ and /v/ now

>neocons want to provoke a USA v Russia nuclear war to wipe out Christianity and Western civilization
>not even a meme if you track Kagan and Kristol at all
>suddenly, a billion pro-WW3 threads appear on 4chan and reddit

Someone call Tel Aviv and let them know WW3 isn't a thing and isn't going to happen

>>31589753
>Which is, you know, an act of war.
But them capturing our sailors, and broadcasting video of them being questioned is totes okay right?

Hillary is level headed? That's why she wanted to drone Assange for embarrassing the regime. You deluded shillbots are unbelievable.

When the happening happens, any cuck with a dem sticker anywhere is getting raped to death with a rusty kabar

>>31585758
I hope you aren't retarded enough to believe this, OP. I really do.

>>31591804
>Russians can't keep up to volunteer numbers even with conscripts

>>31592524
Awww, you're so cute when saying such stupid things.

>>31592551
And yet the US, with superior radar and computer technology, still considers stealth a critical element.

My concern isn't with Russia in Syria, but a Russian invasion of the Baltic nations. They would likely fall in 2-3 days tops. Many Russians see the Baltics as an extension of Russia's territorial integrity. That means they'd likely use nuclear weapons to defend them.

>>31589864
That's not the way it works. The point isn't to give it so many targets that it can't track them all, the point is to make them decide if they want to shoot or not. If they shoot at the decoys they're wasting missiles and opening themselves up to counter strike since they're radiating, if they don't shoot they're risking actual cruise missiles leaking or strike aircraft with shorter-range stand-off weaponry getting close enough to launch on their targets.

>>31592808
>But them capturing our sailors, and broadcasting video of them being questioned is totes okay right?
>They wandered off course into Iranian waters, got stopped just like our coast guard/navy would to a foreign military boat entering our waters, questioned, and released the same day
Fucking non-issue.

>>31588900

> can't succeed in school
> can't hold jobs
> can't stay out of prison
> can't maintain their own communities
> can't accept the rule of law
> can't support themselves without massive cash infusions from taxpayers

Yeah, I'm sure there's no way you're going to end up starving to death in the dark after society crumpled. None at all, Tyrone. Also, loving in urban areas to soak up then sweet program monies is going to work out real fucking well when the nukes start flying.

White people own land. White people live in the country where the farms are. And we have the Mexicans for labor. If any of you chimps manage to not get yourselves incorporated into fallout, we're going to pick you off the first time you come within rifle range.

A nuclear war with Russia is the only chance we have at a white America. I say bring it the fuck on.

>>31592569
Missing the point. I'm pretty sure that no one here is calling the presenter a vatnik. Just the dumbasses in the thread who are interpreting his presentation as objective Russian superiority.

>>31592952
>just like our coast guard/navy would
Our navy would force them to apologize on CNN?

>>31592972
>Whinging about a non-issue

>>31591804
Only accurate depiction itt

>>31592964
>still replying to bait

only a /pol/ack is this dumb

>>31592952
They wouldn't be forced to disembark, shackled like prisoners, and forced to read propaganda.

Which, you know, is a fucking international crime. Them parading our sailors in front of cameras and all. You dumb cunt

>>31592930
I pretty sure Poland and Finland don't let this happen.
Leningrad is in a driving distance from Finnish border.

>>31593173
>US State Department Spokesman John Kirby addressed the issue, explaining "the Geneva Convention applies for wartime. We’re not at war with Iran".
>A Defense Department official said that the Navy lieutenant’s filmed apology was probably intended to defuse a potentially volatile situation.
>Foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif posted on Twitter that he was happy to see that dialogue and respect swiftly resolved the episode
>On May 12, 2016 The US Navy fired Cmdr. Eric Rasch, the executive commander of the squadron that included the 10 captured sailors.

Stop trying to egg on a fight that wasn't even going to start.

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>>31589684
>ignore some systems
lest we forget...

>>31593683
I still find it funny that this is their greatest military triumph.

The Iraqis shot down more aircraft in Gulf War 1 and also in Gulf War 2 than he Serbs did. At least the Iraqis managed to prevent western air forces from running daytime raids over their capital whenever they wanted despite having worse equipment than the Serbs.

>>31593683
>perpetuating the mythic status of the f-117

Thanks serbia for being the exception that proves the rule.

>>31587524
it was never fully taken over though. We can change that

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>>31589038
>mfw ruskis actually do this

>>31585758
US strategists are well aware that Russia has the best missile defense systems in the world. Why this officer chose to say what he said in the way he did is strange.

It's not an argument. It's not controversial, or even particularly interesting.

>>31593915
lmao

>>31594005
>US strategists are well aware that Russia has the best missile defense systems in the world.
And that for decades now we've been training and equipping to treat IADS as a puzzle to take apart and render ineffective.

>>31585758
i wonder if the milinials would enjoy the war ?

>>31592930
A far lower-risk option is to seize Gotland and use it to control the Baltic. That way you don't have to invade a NATO nation, but still get the majority of the benefits if you had done so.

I don't see this as likely near-term, but if Russia is concerned enough (like if a "spontaneous" color revolution brews up in Moscow) I could see them doing it to protect their interests.

>>31588900
I know this is just bait, but IF there were to be any truth in the whole nuclear winter shit, I hope blacks know they're almost all going to die to Rickets in a few years.
Hell a large portion of the black population in North America will probably die of malnutrition if a nuclear war that doesn't end the world occurs.

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>>31588900
Not quite as bad of 7ucking as this truth bomb.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927

Hill is kill

>>31585758
Let's do a reality check OP.

Russia spends about 50 billion USD equivalent a year on it's military, that's according to Putin himself.
America spends about 550 billion a year and has an economy many times larger than Russia's.

Russia better watch their shit. They're getting away with stuff because we have a white guild pushing faggot ass weak leader in the oval office. Even if Killary wins, she's extremely hawkish and everyone knows it.

>>31589649

the protocols where a proven hoax fag

>>31595047
Millennials hate war

But they also hate bigots

Russia is full of white male bigots

Hmmm

>>31592570
>makes me want to murder white and jewish american babies in the hospitals

not strong enough to fight men?

lol calm down edge lord, you might hurt yourself with your sjw blessed katana.

>>31589614
lol thank god im not the only one who noticed the incredible boom of "black" /k/ posters all in one thread.

the shit tier b8 is strong in here.

>>31585758
>>>31589788
>Top of the line by Russian standards
>Anyway you don't need to shoot it out of the sky take it out while it is still on the ground. It is not gonna be able to counter a cruise missile, hell probably not even a strike from the fighters it is suppose to shoot down.

Are you actually mentally retarded, or just clueless about what you're talking about and eager to spew out your boilerplate garbage on how advanced the US' military equipment is?

T-90s are ahead of M1A2s by miles - in maneuverability, resilience, electronic suites, you name it. Most of the TUSK kit addons are standard issue on T-90 series, and with ERA you're looking at up to 200cm RHA equivalent on most areas. The Rheinmetall on the M1A2 firing APFSDS tungsten can barely hit the 160cm mark on plain RHA.

The USS Donald Cook, supposedly one of the finest retrofit destroyers in the USN, was trolled by one entire Russian EW jet.

My Korund-VM circa 2003 has NIJ 5 plates with NIJ 3 kevlar. The Ratnik program is bringing NIJ 5 equivalent armor to all vital front line units.

Stop putting crack on your burgers and wake the fuck up, you baseball-and-apple-pie fucboi.

>>31588923
>>31589004
>>>/gaschamber/

>>31595383

>NIJ level 3 kevlar

You are retarded.

>>31595383
This is what vatniks belive lmao

>>31586580
>that infowars watermark
kek

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>In 40 days americans choose between hawkish warmonger and retarded manchild who will let china and russia fuck the rest of the world

>>31595317
What about the Talmud and fingering goy babies not being wrong?

>>31595317
What about the Talmud and fingering goy babies not being wrong?
Goddamn it really wish the Holocaust actually happened.

>>31595581
>not voting Gary Johnson

America needs more libertarianism.

>>31595383
>T-90 ahead of M1 by miles
Only the turret is ahead by miles, and that's only if the ammo cooks off and the turret is launched miles away.

>Donald Cook
Meme that even the Russians admitted never happened.

>hurr body armor
Honestly individual infantry armor is hardly relevant. The US has superior air power and that's all that matters.

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>>31595627
>he thinks memes johnson is an actual libertarian
what is aleppo?

>>31587714
If the jews can make super powers fight against each other, sounds like the side to be on.

>>31595668
>implying Aleppo matters

Johnson's weakness on foreign policy just goes to show that the US doesn't need to concern itself with other nations. Focus on domestic issues.

>>31595383

Dude, no.

I'm a Russia-defender here but all of what you said is wrong.

>>31595383
Wow, this is actual grade A russkie bait.

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>>31595748
NIGGA
the thread is literally about Russian aggression
how much are they paying you comrade?

>I'm going to die in a trench somewhere a long way from home fighting for a women president who does not give a fuck about me.

I fucking hate this country so much.

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>>31595383

I don't think I've seen a post comprised of 100% pure vatnik memes before, congratulations.

>>31595668
I'm voting Johnson, but I'll admit he's ignorant as shit and has lost a few brain cells.

But you know what? I don't give a fuck. Sure, I'd rather have one of the Pauls, but I'd prefer an ignorant moron with a platform similar to mine than the smartest career politician or businessman in the world with a platform I disagree with.

Besides, it's unfair to say he's not a libertarian. He differs in a few minor points, but all parties have to accept some variation. If Susan Collins is a Republican, and Joe Manchin's a Democrat, there's no way you can argue Johnson isn't enough of a Libertarian. So what if he's for a carbon tax and agrees with the sjws that businesses can't refuse to serve. I disagree with those points too, but they're irrelevant compared to gun rights, the war on drugs, and excessive spending, which no other major candidate has a good plan for.

>>31595798
>not wanting interventionism means you're a Russian shill

Okay.

>>31593915
Yeah, white christians killing white christians... Great plan! Wonder who would benefit from this?

>>31594005
>US strategists are well aware that Russia has the best missile defense systems in the world
Why does everyone love to pretend things like Aegis and SM-6 don't exist?

>>31595857
Sure is stormfag in here

Since when are Russians and Stormfags buttbuddies?

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>>31595854
Don't get me wrong, the US does some bad shit. I wish we didn't have to intervene. But I think you'll realize that its better than any alternative power at the moment.

>>31595857
>what is most of European history

>>31595866
Its the slav narrative, they need to make their own systems sound better so the people support tovarish putin.

>>31595879
since putin engineered alt right rise

>>31588900
g8b8m8r8 8/8

>>31595945
Pretty hilarious how easily the tin-foil crowd gets rolled up by psyops like this.

>>31595715
>If the jews can make super powers fight against each other, sounds like the side to be on.

This, lol.

Even if only 1% of what /pol/ keeps telling us is right, the Jews have insane political influence and technological capabilities and basically everyone is their bitch, and the only people who "fight back" are doing so by spraying vinegar around their houses, wearing tinfoil hats while shitposting on 4chins and ducking under the windowsill every time a car drives by.

So where exactly do I sign up to be a kike agent? Is there a list of the benefits somewhere? Does the health plan cover circumcision?

Would honestly be surprised if the majority of them are operational.

IIRC Russian military hardware has seen better days in regards to maintenance and upkeep. A lot of their equipment is parade functional, but not at all combat functional.

>>31595974
yeah Putin realized how easy it would be to make people afraid of guys with big noses while he literally annexes countries

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>>31595881
No, this isn't a zero-sum game. Interventionism is bad, period.

People like to predict China will become the next superpower, maybe eclipsing the US. Personally, I relish that idea.

Let China take the mantle of world police and interventionism. See how much they enjoy it.

>>31596018
>interventionism is always bad.

So we should have never intervened in WW2?

You seriously want the PRC as the world police? I mean, that would make everyone run back to America but I'm not the Chinese economy would even last that long.

>>31596018
>let a country with a horrible human rights record take over as world power
false equivalence much?

>>31595319
gd point dat rly makes u think!

>>31595319
They hate bigots but only confront them online
mhhhh

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>>31587096
If Russia doesn't use nukes they will most definitely lose. Their navy is laughable at best, airforce is meh, the only thing they really have going for them is armor and artillary, both of which will get fucked by American air superiority. Honestly it would probably be a quick war if other nations didn't start jumping into the Frey.

>>31595977
>/pol/-propaganda backfires

kek doesnt sound like a bad plan my family name even sounds a little jewish

>>31596018

Don't make a fuss when they'll choke your economy when they embargo you with their quadrillons of puppet states and you become some kind if super-powered mexico.

>>31596037
>So we should have never intervened in WW2?

Well, we certainly didn't need to. Germany would've lost whether we intervened or not.

Also, we entered the war because we were attacked. Are you really equating that with getting involved in Middle Eastern countries (or even back in Vietnam), which have done nothing to us?

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>>31596171
>Germany would've lost whether we intervened or not.

>>31596171
If japan didnt attack pearl harbor you would be seeing a lot more swastikas

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>>31596199
American education in action.

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>There are Americans willing to start WW3 and have their country turned into a radioactive wasteland for some middle eastern shithole.

>>31596208
*a lot more hammer and sickles

>>31596211
>vatnik drank ALL the koolaid and isn't even aware of his own fucking country's history

In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the famous Soviet Marshal G.K. Zhukov is quoted as sayin g “Today [1963] some say the Allies didn’t really help us…But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war.” Marshall Zhukov according to Weeks even goes on further to state that the Soviet government engaged in the calculated use of propaganda to systemically demean the importance of the Allied Lend-Lease Program, believing that it distracted from the heroism and sacrifice of the Soviet soldier and people.

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>>31596225
>There are Russians willing to start WW3 and have their country turned into a radioactive wasteland for some middle eastern shithole.

>>31596225
>thinking Russia would launch on the US
>thinking anyone is this fucking stupid

>>31595879
They love each other. Pol loves sucking Russian dick because muh white race. They think Russia isn't a poor shithole .

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>>31596238
>he has to cite the lend lease
Well that's me BTFO, thanks for winning the war I guess. God bless the USA!

>>31596247
>>31596255
but TV and /k/ keeps telling me Russians are braindead monkeys looking for a fight just because.

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>>31596225
America is literally CIA

>THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING! I'M IN CHARGE HERE!

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>>31596199

>>31596225
>There are people who try to ignore the parallels of nazi germany and todays russia, willing to let this lead to the next WW
They even got their own Sudetenland case already.

>>31596299
replace those with thousands of rats armed with shovels and its about right

>>31596111
>Only stealth craft ever shot down
>Implying the extreme difficulty and luck involved don't just prove how hard it is to do

>intervention is good, unless its Russia.
Can you be anymore obvious Ivan

>>31596018
If they do become globocop, I guarantee you that Lao Yang will make sure that no one gets cheated by bait and switch with sickly chickens again.

>>31596281
>Critical logistics assistance that kept them unconquered long enough to get native production running at pace
Don't pretend that fighting is the only thing that matters in war.

Meanwhile, earlier today the U.S. and Finland signed a defense cooperation pact.

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/us-deepen-military-ties-finland-defense-cooperation-pact/

>>31587096
modern america only fights wars it know it will lose.

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>>31596362
Truly the hero we need.

I can't wait, in 10 years Russia won't exist anymore.

>>31595383
Russians are so fucking stupid. Russia couldn't fight the US when it was the Soviet fucking Union. Now after her identity crisis and a collapsing economy there's no fight in the Russian army. Russia will collapse again for the same reasons it collapsed before, high defense spending and low energy prices.

>>31596365
Don't pretend rinsing every party involved and getting salty when it spills outwards and drags you in is a noble deed. America would have been happy either way if Japan weren't completely retarded.

>>31591598
>The comments on this video make me genuinely want a war with Russia.
t. someone who wouldn't actually spend any time on the front lines in a conventional war against russia.

t. someone who would, put me in coach

>>31596376
"Nation-building" isn't the war phase, it's the police phase. If you aren't going to conquer the people, you're acting to protect the people's will against the old guard like the Taliban and foreign insurgents like in Iraq.

Vietnam: Pretty much constant military victory ending in a peace treaty and telling South Vietnam they were on their own when we got tired.
Panama: Overwhelming victory
Desert Storm: Overwhelming victory
Somalia: Dicked around, lost a few people in a massively one-sided fight between Rangers and a giant drugged-up mob with a 50:1 K:L ratio.
Bosnia/Kosovo/Serbia: Uncontested control of the skies and UN peacekeeper control by early oughts.
Afghanistan invasion: Overwhelming victory
Iraq invasion: Overwhelming victory

>>31596415
Because Putin will have finally robbed them too much?

>>31596452
these things make russia dangerous and unpredictable -- like an animal backed into a corner. the last thing putin wants is a dramatic reshuffling of the government where he would have to scramble to keep himself in power, or even alive.

what's the single biggest factor that civilians will rally behind? a common enemy.

>>31596513
He won't do shit, he can't do shit. Plus, he doesn't really care that much, he'll make it out of it with his riches and that's it. The real problem will be after russia collapses, the US needs to secure a shitload of rogue nukes.

>>31596538
what's the point of all the saber rattling then? the flybys, the naked threats, the expansionism -- putin doesn't strike me as the kind of man who values money more than power. while money is power in a very real way, what's a personal fortune compared to the wealth of an entire nation at your fingertips? i think we'll continue to see putin become more and more desperate.

>>31596470
>dude us sold war supplies to everyone

Lel, thats why nazi germany was so assmad we were supplying the uk

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Russians are scum

>>31595748
>>31595840
You're on /k/
Why are you here if you're voting for an anti-gun candidate? Why even vote if the only issues you care about are marijuana and pandering to "undocumented immigrants?"

>>31596281
No one ever said the US won it alone. Simply pointing out that the Soviets most fucking certainly didn't win it alone, either.

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>>31588900

>>31596681
Who cares at this point, we all know Hillary is going to win.

>>31596513
>like an animal backed into a corner.
An animal with blunt fangs, declawed and too hoarse for even a good roar.

>>31596588
Is that a fucking RRem 870 in that pic? Jesus christ. Are russian so stupid they can't even put their own home-produced firearms in their fucking propaganda?

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>>31590302

Worked the first time.

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Why is everyone caught up in US-Russia tensions? The US is much more likely to actually go to war with the Chinese

>>31589864
Post more russian equiptment and specs. If they hit US soil I kinda want to know this stuff.

>>31597966
Over what? The Chinese and Russians are in a military alliance anyway.

>>31598120
taiwan is the most likely candidate

>>31598120
I dunno maybe the sea lane through which 40% of the world's maritime trade travels through, Taiwan, or China's numerous territorial disputes with US friendly nations.

The idea that Russia or the United States are going to risk open warfare over posturing in Syria is just stupid

>>31596719
>What difference does it make
>It's only the constitution
Hillary pls go

>>31598325
Dude, it's over for Trump. After today, he has no chance of winning.

Hillary is pretty much guaranteed at this point. You're just denying reality.

>>31598120
>Implying China would not landgrap east of Russia with all its resources, the second Russia goes fully retarded, while NATO is busy fighting against most of russian forces in west Russia
Basically it will be split up germany all over again, with Russia in the main role starting WW3 and then get split up between comunists from the east and the western countries on the other side.

>>31598196
>>31598235
What decade is this war happening?

>>31598401
Yeah, I'm sure China would be absolutely thrilled at the opportunity of being USSR 2 electric boogaloo at the low cost of fucking over their ally.

>>31598392
Yeah, like how he had no chance after mocking McCain's war service or calling for the Muslim ban or joking about shooting someone or joking about shooting Hillary or the shit with the Khan family or the Miss Piggy shit or the leaked tax returns or any fucking thing else.

It'll end up like every other "controversy". Fucking nothing.

>>31598470
Would be win win for them, could get hold of a good amount of resources they badly need, dont have to help Russia against their own interests, others would be busy doing the main fighting, while they can act like they did their part in the war and in the end the others are too drained to risk anything funny with China.
"When two people quarrel, a third rejoices."

>>31598392
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>>31585758
America... the ISIS' airforce.

It's sad how fucked up things have become.

And once Shillary becomes the pres, things are only gonna get more insane.

>trump voters are too young to remember what russia is

its the only explanation

>>31598736
All the trotskyiites and commies moved to the US. US is now on the way to becoming a 3rd world shithole because of them. That's why they want them destroyed.

>>31598736
mostly they don't care. most of trump's base (read: 4chan) is more concerned with pissing off liberals than they are actually changing something for the better.

>>31598782
rhetoric like this serves nobody, realy. it's sensationalist and out of touch with reality. what we deal with on a daily basis on the internet is a tiny subset of a hugely vocal minority of radicals whom the rest of the rest of the nation at large are either unaware or uncaring of.

communists aren't going to destroy america any more than daesh is

>>31598667
I love this pic, filename and the reasoning behind it. Stormfags aren't even trying anymore.

Hey, if I put on some surplus am I a soldier?

>>31598852
>I love this pic, filename and the reasoning behind it.
Reasoning? He is a muslim. Evidence for that is abundant. Go fucking look it up. And that pic is real.

>Stormfags aren't even trying anymore.
go back to sucking Hillary's cock you worthless sack of shit.

>>31598847
>rhetoric like this serves nobody, realy. it's sensationalist and out of touch with reality.
Huh? Out of touch with reality? Are you fucking out of you mind? Do you watch the news? Social fabric of the society is breaking down.
Or maybe you're just desensitized to it and assume this is a new normal.

>communists aren't going to destroy america
But they already have.

>>31596307
>>31596247
>>31596255
fuck off israelis

>>31598926
>Do you watch the news? Social fabric of the society is breaking down.
incidentally, this exact sequence of statements is precisely what i'm talking about when i say "sensationalist". yeah shit is kind of gay right now. it always has been since time immemorial. i think you might be hyper-sensitized

>>31598847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

>>31591343
>Vasily what is object moving at 10000 km/h in airspace towards us
>do not worry Stanislav is most likely bird or interference or something

>>31598970
okay, but how exactly are we moving away from capitalism in any real way? we're letting fags marry and talking about women maybe not having the same opportunities as men (NOTE: VALUE JUDGMENT INTENTIONALLY OMITTED). when's the last time you worked for free? last i checked i still had the choice to say what i wanted to, live where i had the money for, and do pretty much anything i pleased.

also, who benefits at this point from anti-capitalist subversion? capitalist russia? capitalist china? who's "winning" if we are actually being subverted?

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>>31598392
>After today, he has no chance of winning.
Yeah, that bigot DRUMPFOMP mispronounced NEVADA.

HOW DO YOU MISPRONOUNCE NEVADA? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

>You're just denying reality.
I think it's been a long time since you've ever glimpsed reality without tinted glasses. When I see someone saying dumb shit I don't automatically assume they're schizophrenic. Ah, but the only way someone could disagree with the views of the democratic party is by not looking at reality, right?

>>31599260
pretty sure he was talking about the whole "grab her by the pussy" thing, which while entertaining, is something that would sink pretty much anyone... except trump, it seems like.

>>31598736
still clinging onto to the Russia is the Enemy MEME of the cold war.

Russia a region power that only still matters because they have world wide nuclear strike capabilities.

Putin just wants to have the old Soviet sphere of influence back. Plus the Shi'ites because the West backs the Sunnis.

They don't want to do anything to the USA. Obama and Hillary are the bad guys in this situation.

>>31599286
at this point, I'm convinced you could drop a nuke on Trump and he'd still remain standing

>>31599302
i think there are two kinds of people remaining in this election who are paying any attention at all: those who have decided to get offended by trump and those who have not. amusingly, there seem to be a rougly equal amount of people in each camp

>>31598896
>Reasoning? He is a muslim. Evidence for that is abundant. Go fucking look it up. And that pic is real.
Implying regional clothing identifies religion absolutely. Implying Obama is religious in any way more significant than any of our last 5 or 6 presidents. Implying "Obama is a muslim" fearmongering isn't a ridiculously easy handle on simple, sad little morons who can't hold a thought more complex than MUZLIMZ R BAD in their tiny little brains.

>go back to sucking Hillary's cock you worthless sack of shit.
Implying I must like Hillary because I don't appreciate your especially retarded brand of propaganda.

I don't much care for Obama, but when you sling bullshit like that around you might as well be working for him. When you muddy the waters for rational discussion that much, you completely fuck everyone else trying to get at the real issues and challenges this country faces.

In short, go fuck yourself with a cactus.

>>31599477
this all the way. also, i find it entirely more likely that obama in his heart of hearts is an atheist -- or at leats agnostic. he just doesn't strike me as the type to be in with organized religion for any reason other than that it's expected of a presidential candidate

>>31599477
Logic? Rational argument? On my /k/? Fuck outta here with that well considered and thoughtful shit. We ain't here to actually think and shit.

>>31599510
>also, i find it entirely more likely that obama in his heart of hearts is an atheist -- or at leats agnostic. he just doesn't strike me as the type to be in with organized religion for any reason other than that it's expected of a presidential candidate
Yup. You can bet your ass neither Bush, Clinton, Reagan or Carter were any different. Ford I can't say for sure, I haven't read as much about him. Johnson and Nixon definitely the same. Possibly the last seriously religious president we had was Kennedy, and even then it's not absolutely proven.

>>31599540
i don't know, i could see bush 43, but maybe that's just because i don't actually know anyone who's unironically religious. it's just not in my realm of experience so maybe i'm just being taken in by his studied, folksy demeanor

>>31598896
>Reasoning? He is a muslim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy

And yet this didn't become a thing until AFTER the 2008 elections when the focus had been on the pastor of the CHRISTIAN church the Obamas had been members of for 20 years.

>>31598569
They can just buy said resources with huge discounts without lose ally and any war troubles. It will be actually cheaper.

>>31587714
This.

>>31588900


thank you based blackanon for triggering the shitty /pol/ crossposters that should go back to their containment board.

A worthy Russia VS US bait thread.

Feels good

>>31599833
is it really bait if everyone wants to talk about it anyway? it's just throwing a dead goose into a pond full of crocodiles

>>31596766
That's a shooped picture of a man with an American flag you newfag.

>>31586580

Reminds me of when Chris Chan threatened Tito the Pickle.

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>>31587522

>>31589721
long wavelength radar isnt absorbed by the material on stealth planes, this has been well known by the military for a long time.

Problem is you cant put this kind of a radar into a plane.

You can deploy it on the ground, which is why russia has hedged so heavily both in SAM development, and in this case deployment.

So the game here is, does the US want to try to continue to fight overhead of the SAMs (ie, let the russians strike first or call their bluff), do we suspend operations in syria, do we give the rebels manpads (which we seem to be in the process of doing), or do we first strike the radar sites with growlers and cruise missles.

The russian move forces the US to be overt, force a sacrifice of a plane for public support, or gtfo. Its definitely a strong move on their part that is very logical and forces the US hand. Unfortunately I think the hawks want this war and this just accelerates it....

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>>31599848

>>31599597
>studied, folksy demeanor
Those waters were far, far deeper than he liked to let on. You don't get an MBA from Harvard by being a dummy, and he's the only president who every got an MBA, much less one from Harvard. Granted, his college record at Yale is less than stellar, but the more I look at him out of office in private life now, the more I think he tried very hard to project "faintly bewildered with folksy bonhomme".

Not that I think he was a spectacular president, but I think history in 50 years will be much kinder to him than those of the last few years. We'll see, I guess. Depends on how much his immediate response to 9/11 is outweighed by things like the Patriot Act. The Great Recession was a culmination of the dismantling of Glass-Stiegel begun in the 1960's, accelerated by Reagan, culminated by Clinton and given the coupe de gras by Bush, so that can't be laid at his feet completely.

>implying this is more important than the intermediate range ballistic missiles they stuck in Kaliningrad

A no fly zone is cute and all but Russia sticking Nukes on the Polish/Baltic border zone is way more important.

>>31587714
>Fuck the kikes for starting another brother war.

Only the simplest of minds can possibly be bent to see only one possible enemy behind all the world's ills. Stop being retarded and learn to think.

>>31595104
>Hell a large portion of the population in North America will probably die of malnutrition if a nuclear war that doesn't end the world occurs.

Unless whitey has replicators they haven't told anyone about just about everyone in North America is going to starve.

>>31600294
>A no fly zone is cute and all but Russia sticking Nukes on the Polish/Baltic border zone is way more important.
If you think Putin is going to initiate an attack which has a good chance of provoking a serious counter force strike from the west, much less counter value, then you've spent far, far too much time listening to idiots.

Putin will wave nukes, because that's about the only force parity he has to wave. He won't use them. He knows that will be the end.

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>>31587714
>brother war

lmao, Russia is even whiter than the US at this point

>>31600281
that's more or less my impression of him down ot the T. you'd be hard pressed to find a president since the vietnam war era who was handled a heavier burden than bush 43. the democrats' success in swaying public opinion (and most notably, blame) so swiftly from the wars they had almost unanimously supported in the wake of 9/11 is probably the most successful, calculated media blitz in the history of the country. with a couple decades' reflection, the politicization will fade and i hope for a more measured assessment of bush's term in office.

>>31600319
As opposed to shooting down an airplane or two? Happens all the time. Everyone will wave it off. The missiles in the baltics aren't important because they're going to be shot they're important because of the intimidation factor on eastern europe which has virtually no air or missile defenses. Putin knows he can't take on the US but he can chip away at allies in EE and ME. It's the Cold War all over again but Russia has to start from further away but the proxy game remains the same.

>>31600350
>but the proxy game remains the same.
Everyone's already seen this playbook. If he thinks it will end well when he doesn't have the conventional forces to back his plays like the Soviets did in the 70's, well, he's far dumber than I thought he was. Maybe he's just too old a dog to learn new tricks. We'll see.

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>>31600246
>You can deploy it on the ground
In a massive array that takes forever to stand up and take down, can only give you a general idea that there's something there, and mostly exists to be SDB bait.

>>31600281
>Not that I think he was a spectacular president, but I think history in 50 years will be much kinder to him than those of the last few years
At least on a personal level he wasn't that bad.

Like William Henry Harrison, who ran a complete fuckshow of an oval office before quickly dying.

Or Kennedy, who fucked around so much he had the Secret Service take porn photos to get framed.

Or LBJ, who used his dick as both an intimidation tool and a negotiation piece. Literally. He whipped it out on everyone. And owned an amphibious car and while driving dignitaries around he'd pretend to lose control and steer it off the road into the water.

Bill Clinton was tame as hell in comparison in the White House, really.

>>31586580
I can't wait for this country to become Mexico. Hope a nigger fucks this guys daughter.

I don't want a war with Russia, especially not over fucking Syria of all places. Our politicians need to stop fucking up the world in order to protect (((american interests)))

>>31592570
thank god someone has a fucking brain. I love America, but the ridiculous amount of dickwaving, and warmongering, all for the sake of getting us involved in useless wars we shouldn't be in is just deplorable.

Sorry to jump in on this late, but just to clear the air going forward we're pretty much certain the s-300/400/buk systems are useless for stealth aircraft right? Due to the whole "when said ADS starts radiating the various stealthed aircraft can lock and engage faster/farther than the ads due to the law of inverse returns" or somthing like that right? I can't remember the exact verbage but that's the general idea, yes?

>>31600379
The US is a toothless tiger more concerned with making sure it isn't getting outplayed by China in the East than Russia in Europe where it can't realistically defend anyone anyway.

>>31600509
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>>31600535
>The US is a toothless tiger
>more concerned with making sure it isn't getting outplayed by China
Kek, keep pretending we couldn't crash your entire economy in a heartbeat if we needed to.

>>31600555
I'm an American you idiot. Everyone knows that the US focus is on SCS and SEA because that's where the money and stable gas is. Fuck the US government itself has said that exact thing. We've done nothing but make empty promises in Eastern Europe and we've done even less in the middle east because the public doesn't want to bleed for more sand people.

>>31600509
See >>31600429
Long wave radar can "see" stealth, but it can't do ID, get a good range, bearing and track, or estimate altitude. And because it requires massive antennas, it's very easy to explosively dismantle.

The Russians pull out this Sour Grapes shit about stealth all the time, as if the US hadn't thought of using WWII radars or done any tactics or strategy around breaking such a network.

>>31600555
>Kek, keep pretending we couldn't crash your entire economy in a heartbeat if we needed to.
I'm tempted to think with the $50/barrel oil pushing russia into deploying forces against a guerrilla threat with manpads might just be enough to do it.

>>31600574
And Russia's been very careful about doing anything that would require immediate, direct response. And Obama isn't Bush, he isn't going to start a conflict without NATO being all-in.

>>31600585
Well, and China's economic boom is critically dependent on hosting Western manufacturing. Embargo that and they lose all of the foreign pay they had propping up their current state of prosperity.

>>31600593
Obama isn't going to do anything because he's got 3 months left in office and can't afford to during election season. It's why Putin is being such a cock. He knows he's got the upper hand until a new president drops in and lays down the hammer.

>>31600546
I mean ok but all that really says is that they use larger radars
>>31600580
Ah yes right, something about how they can't use anything but x-band to acquire a weapons grade lock right? And another thing, how much stock are we supposed to put into all the ewar black magic that growlers and burkes supposedly have, and how do we figure this plays into all this? I can spitball some rather creatively-bankrupt concepts that certainly aren't publicly acknowledged systems, but I can't imagine most of the logistics behind some of the spookier stuff.

>>31600535
>The US is a toothless tiger
Daily reminder that the US has more naval and air forces combat power than the next six to eight countries combined, with ground force levels still more than dominant. There aren't two countries on this earth that could keep the US from dismantling their countries in a conventional conflict, especially as all that would be required is a careful dismantling of all power structures and seaborne trade. The US doesn't need to invade Russia or China to bring them to their knees. Simply dismantle the bulk of the IADS and C4SIR nodes, sink every warship, blockade every harbor and then destroy every rail and roadway hub. Let the starving people destroy their own government.

>>31600616
>b-but muh numbers

Numbers don't mean shit if you're not willing to use them and the US isn't.

>>31600626
Why are you so incredibly historically ignorant? Do you believe if you keep repeating the bullshit party line that it might make it true?

>>31600626
>Numbers don't mean shit if you're not willing to use them and the US isn't.

>I don't understand the concept of Force Multipliers

>>31600626
why the ever-living fuck would we NOT be willing to bring our total force to bear in a hypothetical, existential conflict with another burgeoning superpower?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5abrr1LIHwk

>>31600614
>Ah yes right, something about how they can't use anything but x-band to acquire a weapons grade lock right?
Pretty much. I mean, sure, you can use less accurate radars to target and shoot at stuff ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 ), but most countries frown on burning assets and giving away position when you aren't sure it's a definite enemy target.

> And another thing, how much stock are we supposed to put into all the ewar black magic that growlers and burkes supposedly have, and how do we figure this plays into all this?
If anything, America has a tendency to massively understate capability and overestimate enemy force (Desert Storm).

>>31600648
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>>31600672
You mongs have completely misunderstood everything I was talking about. I don't give a shit about your stupid wank scenarios I'm talking about current politics on the ground right now.

>>31600684
how the fuck do politics RIGHT NOW apply to a scenario that is not RIGHT NOW, and by virtue of its occurrence would change hte political climate of RIGHT NOW into something that is decidedly not RIGHT NOW? is your idea to take a little slice of RIGHT NOW and apply it to everything? how would we, RIGHT NOW, at this moment in time handle an invasion of spud sucking fist fuckers (like you) from alpha centauri?

>>31600614
its not really black magic, jammers work by creating a noise floor that makes it more difficult to interpret what is a meaningful signal.

in 4chan terms, its kinda like a ddos, there is so much noise you cant figure out which are legitimate requests and which arnt. I'm sure how they actually create this noise floor is more sophisticated than shooting a radar noise beam but thats the theory behind it.

As far as how EW plays a role, I hope it doesnt. We could fuck with the radar, but its not so safe that you can just jam it while we do air strikes and ignore the sams. We would have to destroy the sams in order to operate safely.

>>31600616
What kind of threat do we face that actually warrants having such a massive amount of military assets? Especially when our own infrastructure is crumbling, we're in really nasty debt, and we got more spics and niggers on welfare then ever before in history.
But sure, let's go buy another 20 aircraft carriers.

>>31600719
it's not necessarily about what threats we face -- per se -- but what potential threats we deter by virtue of being the biggest badasses on planet earth. the developed world is much more stable in a general sense with a strong america. i say "developed" because everywhere else is irrelevant to world stability and their conflicts are regional at worst.

>>31600626
US doesnt want to, but the propaganda machinie is real.

You see even in this thread where every american here knows we are sending money and guns to alnusra (read al qaeda). And we still have a boner to blow up shit in the desert along side them if it means we win.

we dont want to play, but we have to win
winning is always most important

>>31600719
>Especially when our own infrastructure is crumbling,
Undertaxation.

>we're in really nasty debt
"Durr gubmint debt works da same way personal do"

>and we got more spics and niggers on welfare then ever before in history.
Because the undertaxed wealthy don't put that money into payroll, they put it into their pockets. So all wages, especially at the bottom, have stagnated while cost of living soars. Fix that and make wages at least bring 40/week work above the poverty line and boom, not just less welfare but more taxpayers!

>>31600726
well what is there in terms of potential threats? Wars aren't even cost effective anymore, and I think it'd be more important to have a powerful economy then a powerful military, as the latter stems from the former. There'll never be a drastically significant threat that requires us to have 20 carrier groups, and the military budgets of the next 8 nations combined, and if there is, then the whole world is about to get Kentucky fried, so won't exactly matter.

A strong military is fine, heck, I don't have a problem with it, but we spend infinately more then is actually necessary.

>>31600748
We have the highest corporate tax in the entire world m8. You can't tax the "ebul 1%" cause they have the means to avoid it.
And yes, I know government debt is not the same as personal, but when it literally outstrips our GDP, I think we have a bit of a problem.

>>31600763
it's hard to imagine potential threats. off the top of my head, i wonder what would happen to taiwan were they backed by a significantly weaker america. for better or for worse, american military might is the dominating force in the balance of the world. a spontaneously weaker america would create a power vacuum, and vacuums fill -- some other entity would come surging in and you'd have just traded one superpower for another. maybe one with less moral scruples