Aperture, or rear notch iron sights?

>>31585411
ap

Aperture hands down.

It is much faster and I've found myself making way more shots when using aperture sights.

One of the reasons why I want and AR over an AK.

notch

quicker to bring up

not nearly as finnicky

another reason why the AK is better than the AR

>>31585411
I really like the sights on the Lee-Enfield No.4 and No.5

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Aperture

Aperture. It's what I used in Iraq.

>>31585411
I prefer rear notch (Kalashnikov, Stg, 98k, etc.) because for me, it's easier to tell when the sights are properly aligned, and I find the sights less obstructive.
Range adjustments seem more intuitive too.

Only the aperture sights that have a circle rear and front (don't know the proper name, don't make fun of me).

I can never get the m16 style sights to align perfectly. I prefer notch sights over that.

Aperture is much easier to get right. Some notch sights are just awful, like the Mosin and AK sights.

either one is fine really, but I really prefer notch sights to be farther back on the gun than they normally are.

>>31585411
I like both, but probably a notch due to having more experience with them. Nothing against something like a ghost ring, but a really fine aperture is nearly impossible for me to shoot quickly.

Aperture, because that's what I learned on. (Match 22s in high school, pre-ACOG M-16s in the Marine Corps.)

Is this even a question? Aperture. Notch sights are okay for pistol ranges but past 30 meters they diminish quickly.

>>31585513
akg go home. Any way I prefer aperture sights a million times better because I prefer the sight picture.

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Are there any guns with a better sight picture than the M1 and M14?

>>31585411
aperture for sure. target acquisition is super fast and you're only focusing on the front sight and your target. notch is fine too, but it's a little more involved

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Can some one explain how apertures like those are even with a shit? It's seems to me like there isn't anything to line it up with other than, oh it looks like the post is kinda in the middle of this big fuckin hole.

>>31586744
the hole of the aperture is so small that lining the hole up with the front sight actually makes it very precise. ever look down the sights of an M1A? The hole is tiny as fuck. so even though it seems like there's a lot of margin for error, you're really making tiny adjustments

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>>31586744
I want to say that M1 sight is from a video game, but I can't pin which one.

>>31586744
Put your eye close enough to the hole that the hole disappears and you only see the front sight. Put front sight on target, bam boom bam you're aligned.

>>31586820
looks like its from COD2 Big Red One

>>31585513
>not putting a European style graduated notch rear sight on your AR

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>>31585762

You're thinking of diopter sights homie.

>>31585778
(you)

>>31586744
I'm convinced redneck thinking like that is the reason more rifles don't have aperture sights.

>>31585411
I've never understood how to accurately align the aperture, much prefer good blocky notch sites like a handgun or AK.

>>31585411

aperture, I just find it easier to line up

>>31587057
Instead of trying against a wall in your house, try it at 300 yards on a range and actually shoot the gun.

Your brain figures it out on its own.

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>>31587074
This is me shooting aperture at 50 yards.
I prefer notch.

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>>31585762
>>31587057
Stop using the close range sight and use the smaller long range sight.

>>31585411
For prone/supported shots notch, for mobile and reflexive shots apeture.

Notch lets me be more precise by being able to level out the sights. Apeture you have to "eyeball" the front sight to be perfectly centered.

When moving around, apeture is faster to see the front sight in the ring than trying to look for a needle to line up in a needle width slot

>>31586990
Wrong, it's from Cod 3

>>31587103
I've never shot beyond 100 yards admittedly, there simply isn't anyplace to within a couple hours drive anyway and I'm more of a pistol guy. So it's not an argument that one is better but I'm way more comfortable with notch, not the old west buffalo horn sight garbage but good square "equal height; equal light" sights.
My AR buis, I've never been good with because what this guy said >>31586744
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I shoot the AK more accurately than the AR irons.

When I'm shooting purely for accuracy- aperture. For just hitting minute of man out to 200 yards with irons- notch.

Notch is slightly easier to align and make gross adjustments to hit within 200 yards or so while still maintaining good awareness. All other situations aperture is king

>>31586574
M1917 enfield
M1903a3
Enfield no.4mk2 with micrometer sights

>>31586574
fg42

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>>31585502
>want
>no guns
Opinion disregarded

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>>31587145
Wrong it's from cod 4

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SG55X series diopter sights are pretty good. It's a diopter with a front post.
Also has rear notch "open" sights for short range (<100m) and night use (with dots & larger dotted flip up front post).

So it works well at distance and close range, but you need to switch settings obviously. The 400m sight steals too much of your peripheral vision for instance.

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>>31588772
post your guns

>>31587057
Aligning circles is something humans are good at. We need to be good at it to throw spears or something. I guess you aren't human?

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>>31587136
This.

>>31585411
Aperture. After using them a decent amount on my AR, I want to get Tech Sights for my Marlin 795

>>31585762
If you focus on the front sight post theu align naturally.

Notch, it's what I started out with and have the most experience with

Prefer leaf sights. Much more precise than aperture, but then I'm the type of shooter who can actually hit ambitious targets.

>>31588836
>The 400m sight steals too much of your peripheral vision
>Shooting with a diopter and not having both eyes open and on target.
Step your game up.

>>31586496
Yeah, nah

>>31587192
I prefer notch, I learned on notch, and I know what you're saying because I had the same problem. You have to change your thinking to go to aperture. And it's why you keep hearing "cheek weld, cheek weld" from the ap guys, because your eye is basically the rear sight, you only use the aperature to center your eye, which is a non-focus thing. Sothe only thing your eye focuses on is the front post.

>>31585411
Aperture sights are probably better but I can't deny I shoot better with leaf

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Aperture sights all day.

>>31585411
Rear notch, but I think that's just because all the guns we had growing up were that way. I hated the aperture sights the first time I shot an AR, but I'm pretty good with the irons on my A2. My biggest issue with aperture sights are when you're in low light conditions.

Aperture sights are for spoiled faggots that only shoot their ARs. While I have to admit they are comfy and easy to use but peripheral vision is reduced to a minimum and you can't even shoot with both of your eyes open. Also people used to ap sights can't even shoot accurately with notch sights

>>31585411
I like rear notch better. The sight picture is easier to align and its not as fucky for me. Matter of personal preference though really

>>31589758
As a former youth target shooter, aperture sights show up on more than ARs. They offer more precision by giving you less to focus on. Diopter sights are the most precise due to the natural tendency of human's to align circles, which is why olympic shooter use them. That being said I have no issues transtitioning between notch an aperture sights. Practice more, learn how to shoot everything properly.

>>31585411
Honestly?
Now, I have to point out, I'm biased against apertures because the only one I've used has been an old red field aperture (the kind they sell on CMP)

They're a pain in the ass to use for anything besides target shooting.

So I prefer rear notch because they're more natural to just pick up and go.

I have nothing against using apertures for target and competition shooting however anyone using a firearm with irons for HD or hunting ought to use a rear notch sight.

>>31586744
>>31587057
>>31585513
>>31592601
You don't need to line up aperture sights. In fact they are mechanical red dots...
http://dougkerr.net/Pumpkin/articles/Aperture_Sight.pdf

>>31585411
I have a real bad astigmatism in my right eye. Because of the optical physics used in an aperture sight, I can see crystal clear through it without having to use glasses.

I cannot get such a benefit using notch (aka open) sights.

Open sights force you to adjust focus between target, rear sight and front sight. Aperture is front sight and target only.

They are optically superior.

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Okay this thread is all kinds of fucked up. Aperture sights are theoretically faster, which is debatable in my mind. If you train with the rifle you have, you'll get faster and more efficient regardless of your type of sights. The theory goes that looking through a hole and guessing where the center of the post goes is faster than lining up a notch and post. For new shooters this is true, but for anyone with lots of range time or training it's kinda unnecessary. The problem I have with peep sights is that the point of aim is different for other shooters. A post and notch sight forces you to have your head correctly placed on the stock, where peep sights are differentiable between shooters, because everyone is looking through the hole at different angles, and then adjust their sights instead of head placement. This is where the pseudo-myth of 'everyone's sights will be different' comes from. I'm my opinion, notch sights are better for that reason. Anyone picks up another rifle and the sights will force you to aim correctly and shoot dead on.

Source: 2nd year Nat guard going on my 6th year of marksmanship and tactics training through everyone I can find. My dad is 6 2" and I'm 5 9", we've traded my AK and his SKS before for fun and yeah, they always shoot dead on.

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>>31587009
Diopter master race

>>31585411

I like notch sights a little more than aperture sights. Notch just feels better to me, but I don't think that I actually shoot better with notch sights. At least when comparing AK sights to AR15 sights. If it's HK's rear drum aperture sight, then I'll take the notch. Don't know why, but I can't hit a fucking thing with my PTR.

>>31585411
notch
got Hausse Furters on the k31

>>31595557
>The theory goes that looking through a hole and guessing where the center of the post goes is faster than lining up a notch and post.

No need to guess. Your eye does that for you.

Read the .pdf this Anon posted and it will make sense.

>>31594075

Your eyeball automatically finds the center of any small hole it looks through (insert "your mom's hole" joke here). All you have to do is properly place the front sight.

>>31586574
Rain is pouring. Steal some covers, share some skin.

I like plain old iron notch sights. It is what I grew up shooting. My AR has some hole sight at the back with a stick in the front. I can't hit shit with any kind of accuracy at 100 yards + with it. That rifle has an EOTech 512 on it anyhow. If I want to shoot something far away, I grab the AI and away I go.

tl;dr. I like notch sights.

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>>31586764
>>31586971
>>31594075
Thank you, makes sense. I haven't had much real steel experience with aperture.

>>31587050
The aperture sights I've seen, the hole is like almost a centimeter big. also weren't on a real gun.

>>31585411
Notch is more accurate.

>>31588783
Wrong, it's cod 5 obvi

>>31585411
The problem about the notch is that your eyes naturally focus more on the notch than actual front post.

>>31600849
But not everyone can easily find the center of an apeture

My favorite irons are the drum diopters on HKs, Sigs, etc..

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concentric rings with center post is GOAT sight picture.

>>31600244
This is why all competition shooters use notch.

>>31600868
>>31594075