William Lind is Back

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>>31581595
What? Don't you belive FDR had a crystal ball and knew before Pearl Harbor about carrier strike tactics and the outcome of midway, making the loss of all the Pacific battleships and 2700 sailors acceptable?

The oil embargo was about making Japan angry enough to attack, not depriving them of resources to open up a colonial front against the brits and cutting the allies off from southeast Asian rubber.

Also, Hitler dindu nuffin wrong.

>>31581595
Speaking of this shit, where is Billy Boy? Isn't he roasting World War Z? Haven't seen a thread of his lately.

>>31581973
I dunno but I'm considering taking it up with the Turner Diaries or maybe Night of the Hunter.

>>31582026
>Night of the Hunter
Wrong book, I suck cocks. It's just called Hunter.

>>31582026
If that book is as terrible as I've heard it'll be as wild a ride as the Victoria threads.

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I read T.X. Hammes' The Sling and the Stone for class last month. Hammes is largely responsible for repopularizing generational warfare as a model of military change and for fleshing out 4GW as a theory (he wrote his book in 2004, Lind published in the 80s). He has some good points about COIN strategy, but I think using the generational warfare model was unnecessary and hurt his argument more than it helps.

What struck me though is that Hammes repeatedly notes that 4GW warfare will *never* be sufficient to win if the 4GW side poses an existential threat to the 3GW side. Hezbollah might be able to force Israel to withdraw from Lebanon using asymmetric warfare, but they would never be able to carbomb the IDF into pulling out of Tel Aviv. In those cases the 4GW side still has to end their campaign with a conventional phase, like the NVA driving tanks into Saigon in '75.

But in Victoria, the US Government gets annihilated by 4GW forces with no real conventional warfare phase because right up until the end the Pentagon is more concerned about political correctness than about an existential threat. It's like Lind couldn't be fucked to apply his own model correctly.

>>31582689
>Lind
>smart

That man is the personification of the Dunning-Kruger effect

>>31581595
>Have no idea who the fuck this is
>Check wikipedia

>William S. Lind (born July 9, 1947) is an American monarchist, paleoconservative, columnist, Christian, and a light rail enthusiast.[1][2][3] He's the author of several books and one of the first proponents of the Fourth-generation warfare theory. More recently Lind has advocated for police to have RPGs as standard issue, and for a return to death by hanging as a common sentence for crime in 'urban areas'.[4][5]

Now I'm more confused than ever. Can someone clue me in, I assume there have been /k/ threads before mocking him?

>>31584282
Wait, I see he used to work for Gary Hart.

>In 1984, Senator Gary Hart published America Can Win: The Case for Military Reform. Written with his aide William Lind, Hart demanded congressional intervention on weapons acquisitions and focused on the Critics two main criticisms of American defense strategy, the plan to fight both the air-to-air and air-to-ground battles in all- weather conditions and at night, and the need for deep interdiction, both of which Hart and Lind opposed. In the book, Hart offered specific proposals for his ideal mix of AirForce tactical systems in the FY1985 and future defense budgets. The proposals included stopping production of the F-15 and replacing it in the air-to-air role with a new lightweight fighter -- the F-16 was now considered too heavy -- that would have no radar and would cost one-third less than the F-16. All work on the Air Force F-111 and F-15E deep interdiction aircraft would be stopped and the AMRAAM and LANTIRN would be cancelled, in part because Hart said that using LANTIRN puts unreasonable operating stress on fighter pilots and subjects them to dangerous ground fire (pilots using the LANTIRN, even in the single seat F-16, disagreed). The TAF would focus solely on close air support, replacing the F-111 and F-15E with a new, very simple (even compared to the A-10) aircraft called the Combined Arms Fighter armed only with a heavy cannon.

>>31584282
LIGHT
RAIL
ENTHUSIAST

>>31584382
>combined arms fighter
>has no ability to work in combination with other forces
Classic Lind.

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>>31584282

Someone must have added that since he became a meme on /k/ (it's true though)

William Lind was an active military theorist in the 1980s. At one time serious people in the military listened to his opinions, but even back then he was part of the Sprey brigade. His chief contribution to theory is the Generation Warfare model, which groups modern (as in post-gunpowder)warfare into four "generations:" Massed Manpower (Napoleonic line & column), Firepower (WW1 artillery), Maneuver (Blitzkrieg) and "Fourth Generation" (Insurgency). Generation Warfare has been subject to widespread criticism and few people in the field accept it unreservedly. Even Hammes, the most significant modern proponent of it, mainly uses it as a vehicle for his arguments for US military COIN reform.

Since the 1990s, Lind has moved on from the Pentagon and become a luminary of the Traditional Conservative movement. Sometime after that he wrote a fiction book, Victoria: A Novel of Fourth-Generation War, which describes a traditional conservative Christian rebellion in Maine defeating the Federal Government with 4GW techniques.

Victoria attracted /k/'s notice because of its unflinchingly realistic military scenarios, such as

>F-16s making gun kills on F-22s
>F-16s making gun kills on F-35s
>AMRAAMs unable to engage diamond formations
>T-34s defeating the US Army
>Divisions of loyalist gangbangers dying for the Union (pic related, Cpl Jackson never forget)
>F-35s being shot down by Strela-2s
>an Arado 234 dropping a nuclear bomb on Atlanta

>>31584282
>More recently Lind has advocated for police to have RPGs as standard issue, and for a return to death by hanging as a common sentence for crime in 'urban areas'.[4][5]

Godspeed, you based /k/ommando

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>>31584471
There are many things to say about Sprey, but he definitely wouldn't approve that /pol/ shit.

>>31584502
Please tell me why he thinks RPGs should be standard issue.

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>>31584550

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Lind never expressed his opinions on blacks while he was still working at the Pentagon.

Victoria exhibits an odd, paternalistic racism where Lind clearly doesn't like niggers, but he can't bring himself to admit it, so he tries very hard to distinguish between the good christian niggers and the bad gang niggers.

This results in his positive black characters ("the Council of Responsible Negroes") apologizing unreservedly for ruining the inner cities and voting near-unanimously to become second-class citizens, accepting immediate capital punishment without legal defense for blacks who commit such crimes as possessing a handgun.

All the bad niggers side with the Federal Government or the Arab League and are shot in the course of 4th Generation Warfare.

>>31584550
>Please tell me why he thinks RPGs should be standard issue.

To stop diversity trucks like in Nice

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>>31584568
>This results in his positive black characters ("the Council of Responsible Negroes") apologizing unreservedly for ruining the inner cities and voting near-unanimously to become second-class citizens, accepting immediate capital punishment without legal defense for blacks who commit such crimes as possessing a handgun.
Oh my god what

>>31584568
>Victoria exhibits an odd, paternalistic racism where Lind clearly doesn't like niggers, but he can't bring himself to admit it, so he tries very hard to distinguish between the good christian niggers and the bad gang niggers.
Sounds a lot like the Manson manifesto.

>>31584578
So he thinks police should be trying to hit speeding trucks with rockets? Does he offer an answer of why a high caliber rifle to take out the engine isn't maybe a more reasonable option?

>>31584568
Honestly, the booger-eating rant is one of the funniest things I have ever read.

>>31584282
>>31584421
TRAINS!


trrrrraaaaaaiiiiiiinnnnnns

>>31584550

>There are many things to say about Sprey, but he definitely wouldn't approve that /pol/ shit.

If you mean the picture, that was OC from one of the Victoria threads, not something Lind wrote.

See, in the Lindverse, nobody likes the Union enough to fight for it once the Christians leave the military, so the Federal Government has to conscript inner city black gangs to fight the secessionists. These hapless gangbangers rape and pillage their way up the New England coast, but are too incompetent and ill-trained to defeat 4GW Christian Operators and are promptly annihilated when they enter Victorian territory.

However, because Lind's protagonists are unlikeable wehraboo fucks, /k/ grew sympathetic to the patriotic gangbangers who fought in vain to save the republic, and constructed elaborate counter-narratives about the Last Stand of the 42nd Division against an army of radical Christian traitors, such as the citation for Cpl. Jackson.

>>31584640
No. This is the Reverse Rennaisance Man himself we are talking about here

>>31584660
>unlikeable wehraboo fucks

You don't understand. The Nazis are the bad guys because they aren't Christians. Prussia, however, is the best thing ever.

If he's a monarchist, which royal family would he liked in charge?

>>31584382
Is there anything more Lind than this?

>>31584660

To paraphrase some anon at the time, "Lind offended /k/ so much we started writing fanfiction about heroic loyalists from detroit fighting for the federal government against rural christian militias"

>>31584805
Hohenzallern or Romanov

>>31581595
Man I thought JOHN WESTLY RAWLES was a fucking hack writer, but at least his stuff is educational to an extent.

This, is just retarded

Whatever happened to that World War Z reading? That was pretty good.

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Heard y'all were talking shit.

>>31585006
If you're really Lind, is Rumford or Kraft your self-insert?

>>31585059
Kraft, of course! How else would Rumford accomplish what he does if I- I mean Kraft weren't there to instill him with Prussian know how!

>>31582026
The Turner Diaries is breddy gud, albeit overly edgy.

>>31581865
explain why FDR ordered the navy to start producing escort carriers before pearl harbor then? idiot

>>31585204
kek. its a A. Wyatt Mann comic strip stretched into a paranoid novel.

>>31585238
>paranoid novel.

?
white genocide is an ongoing agenda supported by the entirety of the America political establishment

>>31585250
so what was all the secret knowledge the groups showed each other in it? annunaki secrets? prize winning rhubarb pie recipes? 7 tricks to please you man in bed?

come the fuck on /pol/ no one is going to give a fuck in 100 years. the damage has already been done.

>>31585284
>the damage has already been done.
No the damage is not done yet, the US has not been totally destroyed yet.
Nor has europe
But it's gonna take rivers of blood to fix it.

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>>31585228
1. Because the Washington naval treaty placed a hard limit on the number of battleships the signatory nations could possess, and carriers were an exception.
2. They were meant for an anti-submarine escort role, with battleships as the centerpiece, like was standard for all navies at that time.
3. The first escort carriers were constructed well before FDR took office.
4. Oh yeah, and Pearl Harbor was the first instance of the use of an independent carrier strike force in history, so saying FDR intended to prepare for a tactic that did not yet exist would require you to present his crystal ball, because the only other explanation is you, like many other stupid niggers, are arguing under the premise that FDR was equipped with your hindsight.

Nah, get fucked.

>>31585299
no, the cancer has spread too far. it's gotten to the point where healthy cells are now the cancer.

>>31585228
Yeah, like how WW3 started after Eisenhower ordered the navy to build SSBNs.

>>31584568
>dat majestic motherfucker doing the double-overhand stab

>>31585250

fuck off /pol/

>>31584902
EXCUSE me, sir, allow me to correct you, the gentleman's name is JOHN WESLEY, RAWLES.

DO NOT neglect the all important COMMA.

>>31585204
This is kind of why I wanted more to do Hunter. It sounds a lot weirder, and is less well-known.

>>31584471
>read the greentext
>assumed i was reading parody of civil war reenactment
>was actually reading serious take on civil war 2

I....I just don't know anymore...Im out of fucks to what

>>31584578
>To stop diversity trucks like in Nice

What can brown do for you?

>>31584823
/k/ aint what it used to be

>>31585566
There's one part where they rent the Imperial Japanese Navy bomb enviro-nuts in Cascadia.

>>31585648
You don't understand

>>31585648
Nah, you gotta look at it. He's so hilariously offensive, and it's coupled with such deliberate idiocy about warfare, that it's impossible to agree with him about anything.

>>31585735
Or the part where Willy Johnson saves the planet by promising to marry a lesbian.

>>31585311

>Oh yeah, and Pearl Harbor was the first instance of the use of an independent carrier strike force in history

What about Taranto? Wasn't the success there what gave the nips the confidence to go through with Pearl?

>>31584471
wait who are the victorians? Are they the Christian Marine Corps?

>>31586121
Yes. Near the end of the book, they decide that everything invented before 1930 is terrible and rename their shitty country after Queen Victoria.

>>31586158
And yet they somehow invent cold fusion.

>>31584471
So long as the F-35 continues to be a spectacular disappointment, I see nothing with f-16s shooting them down in this imaginary war we've created.

>>31585299
>we're the good guys
>and all we have to do to save the day
>is kill everyone who looks and thinks differently than us
...

>>31586158
>>31586266
How confused by all this is Canada?

>>31585311
All right, except the last one.

The Brits made the first carrier only strike first at Taranto.

>>31586392
>F-35
>Spectacular disappointment

Have you been living under a rock, anon, or are you actually Pierre Sprey?

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>>31586091
>>31586452
Right, the first one was taranto. Still, I could go into
>muh shallow harbor
Or
>why would a supposed mastermind decisively lose his capital ships
Or
>muh rubber supplies
Or
>muh 2nd front on the other side of the world

Really, the number of reasons why Pearl Harbor could only be described as pantsu-on-head retarded even with the power of hindsight is overwhelming enough to debunk the "FDR let it happen" meme.

>>31584382
Even Sprey wasn't that nuts.

At least he wanted his austere lightweight fighter to have heaters.

>>31586444

Canada also collapses and New Brunswick joins Victoria because they got confused and thought it was 1816

>>31586392

Do you see something wrong with the F-16s being immune to AMRAAMs just because they're flying in a diamond formation?

>>31585250
get the fuck outa here

>>31587290
Maybe? I don't know much about amraams.