Type 001A improved Liaoning class carrier

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>>31569933
And it is indeed smaller than the Liaoning.

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And the radar array modules have been spotted as well.

30 square meter AESAs. This carrier will have radars competative with the Ford-classes, it seems.

>>31569933
>Tank and ship marker

what kind of spotting scope is that?

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New carrier island should look like this when finished.

>>31569933
Wanting to know the same thing >>31570019 said.
Also want to know if it would be possible to buy it somewhere.

>>31570048

Can no one besides the US figure out how to make a catapult?

>>31570068
The US can't even figure it out, the new Ford's biggest delay is that they can't get the new launch system to work correctly, even after all these years and billions of dollars.

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>>31570068

>>31570104
Are the French planning to build a replacement anytime soon? They seem to be pretty decent at war making.

>>31570096
So, just make it bigger. Its already faster than the rest of the fleet, and if you extend it out by 500-100ft, you could land a leer jet on it, and take of with it without a cable hook. It mind boggles me that they haven't figured this out. The 2 Nuclear reactors already push out enough power to propel 3 ships as fast as the carrier goes, so why not make it bigge and be able to land planes regularly. Literally a moving island.

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>>31570068
Yes.

>>31570126
US Navy is already fodder for AShM's, making the ships bigger only makes them easier targets while sinking more money.

>>31570068
Diesel carriers don't generate steam for steam catapults and trying to power an EM catapult would use up an unbelievable amount of fuel

>>31570115
No replacement scheduled.

A single carrier is too weak to be very useful. We need at least 2 of them, nuclear or not. But it's all about politics, we are not even able to defend our soil, so carriers are not a priority

>>31569933
>spy

It's literally in the open. Just use a satellite.

>>31570115
''another carrier? What for?''
-Sarkozy

That's the kind of stupidity we're dealing with here.

>>31569941
>smaller
How doth one tell?

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>>31570068
Also, you are not Japanese

>>31570048
>a fucking ramp

>>31569941
>smaller than

How can you tell this? Shouldn't it be very similar? I thought they were copying Liaoning with some modern modifications.

>>31570390
The Chinese didn't even have a carrier until 2012 senpai. If it works, then it's progress.

>>31570159
So put some fucking chaff that shoots into the water and guides the middle underneath the ship. How fucking hats is it for people to use common sense?

I like the jet, ship, and tank superimposed on the lens. Makes it more military-esque.

>>31570430
Autism the post.

>>31570430

I wish typing this garbage was bannable.

>>31570048
Come on china, come the fuck on. You've already stole all the F-35 and other tech from the US, did catapult design elude you?
>inb4 ramp/catapult tech is guarded more heavily than Colonel's Original recipe

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>>31570656
The next carrier, whose steel-cutting has begun in Shanghai, will have catapults.

The J-15T, equipped with catapult hooks on the front landing gear, is a strong indication that the catapult carrier is coming.

>>31570172

>Diesel carriers don't generate steam for steam catapults

Thoroughly incorrect. There's been non-nuclear carriers with catapults.

>and trying to power an EM catapult would use up an unbelievable amount of fuel

Already been designs in existence for it.

>>31570656
>design a completely new carrier instead of incrementally working up and training pilots

Okay India

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>>31570172

Dunno, France had been planning to switch from nuclear to diesel.

Meet the QE class's aborted sister:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_aircraft_carrier_PA2

>>31570096
>the new Ford's biggest delay
>a redesign 3 years ago

So a "japanese spy" is apparently the new way of having a controlled leak while stoking anti-Japanese sentiment.

>>31569941
Bullshit

>>31569991
Especially if they are QUANTUM AESA Radars..

>>31570159
>US Navy is already fodder for AShM's
Why do 50-centers and vatniks believe this?

>>31571166
>amerifats actually think they can effectively defend from a concentrated AShM/cruise missile attack

>>31571198
>chinks and worst slavs think they can pull off a concentrated AShM/cruise missile attack

>>31570906
I doubt that will happen.

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>>31570048

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>>31571332
I find this design unintentionally hilarious.

>>31571272

Hence the "aborted" part, you know if you bother to read something before making an opinion on it.

>>31570611
It should be. And I'm trying to spread the word that the mods are not doing their jobs.

If you could please spread this word: Mods do shit.

when are the Gerald R Fords supposed to come into service?

>>31570096
>>The US can't even figure it out
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are being a faggot and saying we can't figure out EM catapult but who knows.

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>>31571332
>>31569991

So, China is standardizing all naval radar layout/design, making even a carrier island look like a Type 052D Destroyer...

>>31570172
>Diesel carriers don't generate steam for steam catapults

So none of the Kitty Hawk class carriers had catapults then

Christ the retardation of people on here

>>31570906
I believe the C7 catapult (the one used on the US diesels like the Forrestal) had a charge time of several minutes though. Of course technology has advanced since then, but it's possible a French diesel using steam cats would have had a decreased sortie rate in comparison to the CdG.

>>31569933
Wow. A Soviet carrier designed in the late 70s and early 80s. Oh wait, who cares?

>>31571198
Vatniks don't know what standoff decapitation strikes are.

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>>31571198

>>31572809
You mean, Topol M against Washington?

That's real stand-off decapitation.

>>31570019
Fisher Price, at a guess

>>31570159
>US Navy is already fodder for AShM's,

Got a combat record to back that up? So far, we know that Chink AShMs can't sink Israeli corvettes but can sink Australian ferry boats.

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A
FUCKING
RAMP

>>31570048
>falling for the ski-jump meme

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>>31569933
>I wonder whats comming at us
>Its a floating skate-park
>Fucking ramps

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>>31570757
>There's been non-nuclear carriers with catapults.

Those carriers had separate boilers dedicated for generating steam for the catapult.

>>31570391
The Liaoning has a lot of wasted space due to the vertical launch cells in the flight deck. They probably just removed them and instead of using that free space for something else decided to just remove the space entirely.

>>31574932
I dont know much about carriers. Whats wrong with ski ramps?

>>31576808
Fuck I laughed

>>31577065

Nothing. Just memetards being memetards.

You trade some kinematic capability for sortie rate and a few other logistical benefits, it depends on the nation and aircraft.

>>31577065
Ski ramps mean you have a more severe limit on max takeoff weight

CATOBAR means you have the ability to have heavier craft for example the Hawkeye as AWACS for the fleet

>>31571198
You just going to magically pull a bunch of launch platforms out of your ass within range of the carrier group? The more missiles you try to simultaneously strike with the greater the chance that your launchers will get taken out before they can coordinate a launch.

>>31577065
Carriers value is functioning as logistical hubs as much as launching strikes. Catapults let you handle heavier aircraft, ski ramps make you basically little attack aircraft addons to the main NATO carrier force, except china isnt part of NATO, so its basically depriving their navy in its ability to fulfill a carriers real function as a centralized part of a massive combined arms attack plan. Instead it just launches planes at shit, woo.

>>31577065
CATOBAR is more effective. Ramps are cheaper in every way (initial build, initial plane build, ship operation, plane operation)

>>31577134
>>31577151
>>31577171
>>31577175

Thanks guys. So I guess Hawkeyes would be wonderful, but how limited do the armaments become for the fighters? Would they still be able to carry ASMs or be limited to AA missiles? I would imagine that a full fuel load wouldnt be viable, thus limiting range?

>>31577255

Like I said above it really depends on the nation, carrier and aircraft. STOBAR, SRVL and STOVL all different ways of launching from a ramped carrier, each with their own benefits.

The Hawkeye point is a good one. Though, you can actually still have a Hawkeye with STOBAR ramp carrier. A number of nations look to using helicopter based AEW because they offer great flexibility between the different roles they can serve, like switching from AEW to ASW or AshW.

So, we'll look at France as an example. Currently France only has three Hawkeyes in service, this comes at a great cost of training/manpower, procurement and maintenance for a fractionally small fleet. However, with helicopters you could adapt an already existing fleet or buy more of the same type to supplement additional numbers. So with the savings from choosing a already existing helicopter base AEW, you can move that money into something else. There's also a couple of tactical benefits such as being able to leapfrog your AEW from ships forming the outer picket line or being able to lose one or two aircraft and still having AEW aircraft.

>>31577065
Nothing's wrong.

China is a defensive nation, it does not really put points into power projection. The Patrol area of the Chinese carriers would be near land based AWACS which are better than naval versions. And other support equipments, like island radars and batteries.

>>31577590
>The Patrol area of the Chinese carriers would be near land based AWACS which are better than naval versions.

It's a carrier. If you plan to chain it to your land based air power you might as well scrap it and spend the money on more land based air power.

>>31577590
>We emphasize defense and dont really want to amass power projection capability
>Lets build a carrier!

So is their plan to become so laughable we let our guard down?

>>31577759
>chain it to your land based air power

That's an exaggeration if any.

There's always worth in localised power projection.

>>31571133
>imblying

CATOBAR is the autoloader of ships. Only shitty countries field tanks that do not have autoloaders.

>>31573724
>can sink Australian ferry boats.
but not even. ugh the bs that gets passed around this site.

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>>31572809
>Vatniks don't know what standoff decapitation strikes are.

A fucking meme

They're a fucking meme.
Parking a supercarrier or two in the persian gulf and sending it to fuck up brown people might do you good in the middle east, but you can't defeat a sophisticated foe with peer or above peer level SAMs/IADS

>>31579443
>Imblying the Russian military isn't a meme when all they do is bomb brown people

>>31572629
Makes sense.

>>31577051
Why not use it for additional fuel / stuff storage? Give it more endurance as it's not nuke powered.

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>>31570115
>a replacement
It's still relatively young in carrier terms.

>>31570019
It's a Sub Periscope, i think China it's so trash that cant detect a Submarine in her Coast.

>>31580188

What kind of tanks are you going to be spotting from a submarine?

>>31580245
I big one like you fucking mother, now fuck off cunt

>>31569933
>Japanese spy undetected in China.

See I told you they all look the same.>>31569933

>>31578812
Except that's wrong dingus.

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>>31579638
>implying its russia who spent the better part of the last two decades building a military around a COIN focus instead of large scale conventional war.

Protip: it isn't

>>31579395
What, did that Yemeni boat survive?

>>31580500
Yeah. it's fucked, but it's still floating.

>>31580348
>COIN focus
>When USA rapidly deploys its navy and aircrafts all around the world
You know COIN focus is for poor countries with domestic problems right? Russia wishes it can that it can fight insurgents and deploy its military around the world at the same time.

>instead of large scale conventional war
>Bombing Chechnya, Georgia, and Syria
>large scale conventional war
Non countries are non countries. Russia has nothing to show for its war capabilities compared to USA.

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>>31580245
amphibious ones, of course

>>31572629
It would look like a destroyer if said destroyer were on top of another ship, I guess

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Dalian City

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Closer.

>>31572629
?

Wot

>>31572792
Except it is not.

>>31580169
However they only have one,and half the time it's in dock.

They should at least have one active at any time.

>>31577151
>Ski ramps mean you have a more severe limit on max takeoff weight
[Citation needed]

>>31581475
Nice skyline.

>>31577171
>so its basically depriving their navy in its ability to fulfill a carriers real function as a centralized part of a massive combined arms attack plan
US "invade random countries"!plan != Chinese "defend China" plan

>>31577759
Wut

Chinese AWACs can fly further than Chinese carrier fighters

>>31580518
"Survive" != not sunk

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>>31581561
This.

Realistically, all the Chinese carriers should be capable of is fleet air defense. Launching a bunch of shorter ranged, but maxed out AA missile trucks is already fulfilling their requirements. The Su-33/J-15 can carry eight BVRAAM.

Also, with at least 20 knots wind over deck, even a 32 ton MTOW Su-33/J-15 can be launched from the ski-jump. This means at least four YJ-83K or Kh-35 anti ship missiles per plane, making it a CAG a sizable attack force.

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>>31569941
>a fucking ramp

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>>31572701
There's a big difference between ships like that - which burned diesel in boilers to make steam to drive turbines and modern diesel ships which are reciprocating and don't produce steam at any point.

>>31581620
Exactly.

Also, the Chinese barely has a couple squadrons of qualified naval pilots. They can't just jump into a complete new design supercarrier.

For now this new carrier will help them
1. Training
2. Actually project force on smaller nations.
3. Prestigious because it isn't a "training carrier." And is "indigenous".
4. Provide humanitarian support for disasters.
5. Surveillance.

>>31576808
top fucking kek

>>31572629
Too bad they're horribly underpowered because their procurement system is a fucking joke and a half.

Seriously, that thing can't run the radars and maneuver at the same time.

>>31582183
kek

The 052D has better engines than the Burke

Two QC-280 gas turbine engines, each generating 28MW and additionally two MTU 20V 956TB92 diesel engines, each generating 6 MW. This is enough to power a 7000 ton ship to 30 kn and all its AESA radars that are, by the way, VASTLY better and more powerful than the low powered PESA shit that the Burke still uses (and which needs actually FOUR 19MW LM2500 for powering a ship merely 1000 ton heavier kek).

Seriously. The Burke is a testament for American underperforming engineering in every field.

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>>31582301
And it's also a much more beautiful ship, with clean lines and modern angles - unlike that often rusty bote that is the Burke, with its annoying SPG-62 cassegrain antennae sticking out as if it were the 60s.

America gets invaded by China,
> part of resistance
> get captured
> mother fucker why are all the soldiers qt females,
> enhanced interrogation.
> your dick is now ccp territory

>>31582469
Chi com female lutinent enters your cell she has toned thighs from large amounts of squats and can probably bend gravity with them .you are tied to a chair for the previous 5 hours they turned the room temp up to 100 degrees.
. Ro American tew us where your base is ...

>>31582469
A company of Chinese airborne troops land outside the town. /k/ is organizing the resistance.

After a brief organization phase, they mount an attack at your town, a strategicaly important road-junction.

>/k/ assembles the militia, half of them break down because heart attacks due to obesity, the other half assume defensive positions inside the town, manning church-towers and houses overseeing important junctions and roads.
>Chinese Paras suspect resistance ahead and begin barrage with air-mobile 82mm mortars from the company's fire support sections, while advancing with their paradropped IFVs overwatched by automatic grenadiers, snipers and tactical manpack UAVs.

>/k/ militia ducks and covers as the HE shells impact near their positions. Thankfully, only a handful of losses, most of them the one's who broke down on the roads due to obesity and got detected by the UAV's thermal optics due to them radiating intense heat and burger-smelling sweat (Chinese Paras smell them from miles away and are terrifyingly disgusted).

>>31582617
>After initial shelling, IFVs with infantry support behind them invade the town, some resistance fighters are quickly neutralized by the 30mm chainguns of the IFV's after being detected by their IR-sights.

>better hidden /k/ members try to engage the invading troops from ambushing positions, manage to get a few kills on unprotected troopers but didnt last long, as nugget, glock and SKS fire scratches the paint from the Chinese IFV's, who in turn retaliate with 30mm and 5.8mm fire.

>The lone /k/ sniper, armed with a 50.cal rifle positioned on the church tower, immobilizes an IFV by killing the driver behind its rather thin armored hatch, but gets blown to pieces along with his tower by a wire-guided missile launched by another IFV.>/k/'s formal resistance is broken and its survivors scattered. A few got inna woods and continue the resistance by conducting guerrilla attacks like blowing up a few chinese and north korean field kitchens, burning their wonton and kimchi supplies, and hence were taken note of by the Chinese/North Korean rear line logistic troops as that persistent nuisance the divisional command doesnt really want to commit drones and troops on to solve.

>Legends are born, the nuisance long mystified, and from then on, the rear line logistic battalions of the now occupational troops make ritual offerings to these "deamons of the woods" by sacrificing Kimchi, General Tso Chickens and incense sticks in specially errected shrines along the great highways of the USA.

Russia's female vdv battalion invades takes home American war husbands.

>>31580656
tank liek swimming!

>>31570096
The catapult is fine, dumbass. If you are going to shitpost do it right

>>31582301
>Comparing warships that are 20 years apart
Chicom please.

>>31582183
>horribly underpowered

Mind telling us where you got this information?

>>31582812
>at least 5 catastrophic failures per 100 launches
>fine

Don't be pendantic about what "catapult" means in this context.

>>31582301
>19MW
What is this, 1978? GEs LM-2500 is at 25MW

>http://www.geaviation.com/engines/docs/marine/datasheet-lm2500.pdf

>>31582900

>20 years apart

But they're still building new Burkes

>>31582974
I consider the catapult, the catapult.

Its not 2014 anymore.

>>31583011
See
>>31583010

>>31583011
Flight III isnt laid down yet and flight II is 90s tech. Flight III will just render any Chinese destroyer irrelevant. Sad that China finally matches an old destroyer!

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>>31583085
>Flight III will just render any Chinese destroyer irrelevant.

kek.

Flight III is merely a slightly bigger Type 052D.

Flight III will be rendered irrelevant by the Type 055, which has already been laid down.

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>>31583114

>>31583114
>>31583124
>Type 55

Has less missiles than a fucking SUB.

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>>31583142
How many long range air-defense missiles does a submarine have?

>>31583114
>cruiser having more missiles than a destoryer

You dont say?

>>31572931
I don't think I've ever laughed hard enough to dry out my throat completely but I just did

>>31577777
Checked

>>31583162
>200 km
>""""""""""long range"""""""""""

Kek

>>31583162
zero?

>>31583162
>sub
>air defense

I didnt realize i was talking to a retard.

>>31583189
>SM-6
>having more than 80 of them in USN service in total

Once the SM-6 is acquired in any significant numbers, the extended range HHQ-9B is already in widespread service

>>31583233
>only 80 in usn service
>over 250 made

For your next trick you will say you cant unload VLS cells

>>31583386
>america behaving like active radar guided SAM is some fucking revolution super science
>all naval HHQ-9 variants were active radar from the beginning
>S-400 is active radar years before

>>31583432
>still no CEC
>still half the range

>>31583449
>CEC

Z-9C/D and Ka-31 could provide targeting information and mid-course update to naval SAMs since forever to aid them at OTH targeting.

>>31583468
Nope. Only surface targets. You sir, are lying.

>>31583432
SM6 can be targeted by F35s and Hawkeyes to be fired OTH. Chinese have one pathetic carrier. Their destroyers will be mauled before they launch their middling HQ9 missiles.

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>>31583493
And US carriers will be sunk before they even get out of their ports in Japan and Hawaii.

>>31583523
>DF-21 MEME

Lel

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>>31583540

>>31583577
You realize those are just ICBMs with shit accuracy and easy early detection, right? Might as well call the fucking Minuteman a 'Carrier Killer'.

Cruise missiles and other sea-skimming missiles are the only real threats to Ships under AEGIS air defense systems.

>>31583577
Oh boy, all 8!

>>31583033
Care to explain why Ford is delayed in 2017 then?

>>31583189
That is long range for air defense tbqh

>>31583894
Because its a first in class boat?

The delays are mere months in a decade long program

>>31583493
>

Every single one of these claims will only be true in 5-10 years. Definitely not today.

>>31583748
>those are just ICBMs

Wut

>>31583919
>scheduled for 2014 commissioning
>not even out of basic testing

Mere
Months
Sherlock!

>>31570068
France did

>>31583949
>2014 commissioning
>launched out of drydock in oct 2013, the build completely on schedule.

Look chang, we just dont put ships out to sea, do a few figure eights and call it a day.

>>31584261
The actual scheduled date of commissioning in 2010 was October 2014. Now it's spring-2017.

>>31584422
Nope.

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>>31584108
No, they bought from the US.

>>31570159

China could take on maybe two carrier groups with the current state of its navy, and that is assuming zero support from Japan.

>>31583523
>>31583577
Stick an anti-sub payload on a DF-21D and cue it by your new hydrophone network mr chinky. Imagine it: a theater-wide super-ASROC, providing coverage to the entire "interior sea" or whatever the fuck you imperialist bastards call it. FUND IT NOW

>>31583928
The SM-6 & F-35 CEC was already demonstrated. It's a capability that exists right now.

>>31585044
Congrats, you just pancaked your harpoon becauae hitting the water at mach 3 is not congruent for proper engine and sensor function.

>>31585109
if a fuse for an anti-ship payload can function in that regime then so can the fuse for an anti-sub payload

>>31585124
There is a difference between a fuze, and a sonar sensor, engine, control surfance, fuel, and keeping everything airtight.

>>31585154
You are assuming it will require a homing torpedo

>>31585109
You do know that torpedo payloads are chute-retarded before hitting the water, right?

>>31585239
>>31585255
I'm thinking of a non-torpedo payload.
The anti-ship version already has a unitary HE bomb delivered by MARV. If the CEP is small enough and if updates can be fed to the missile throughout its course, then a simple re-fuzing of the anti-ship version could do the job. That's a big bomb(1.4M diameter RV) and water transmits the shock very efficiently.

>>31581834
God I love our country.

>>31584542
And we should be building fucking more.

Air superiority is top of the food chain.

>>31585255
A chute from the stratosphere is a long drop.

>>31585338
They do have unguided MLRS like anti sub rockets, but they are far inferior to torps.

You dont get a solid locking track under the water unless something is seriously wrong with the sub.

A

R

A

M

P

>>31582633

kek'd

seriously though, China aint got shit for sealift capacity for all those bodies they need to deliver for an invasion.

also you think their merchant fleet wouldn't be targeted during prepositioning?

>>31569933
made in china = half the quality

>>31577777
nice