German engineering vs American engineering

>jewyorktimes
Fucking dropped

>>31532991
The videos are from Colt.

>>31532963

>Second video: M4A1 (heavier barrel than standard M4) fails to cycle after 911 rounds. Start of shooting at 0:11. Failure to cycle at 4:46. RPM: ~199.

That's pretty darn good IMHO familia.

In reality though, no soldier is ever going to fire 500+ rounds on full-auto non-stop. That's far more ammunition than a soldier can even carry.

>>31533033
Depends. At a base of with a vehicle soldiers may have access to more. How many rounds were fired during the battle of Wanat through some of the weapons that failed to function?

>>31532963
>Literally 6 years + 10 months old.
The G36 is fine. It was purely political malice coming from a non military source. Shame because now they're going to piss away money on trials and eventual adoption of the 416 when it's not needed.

>>31533064
The problem is that this is the literal maximum stress test on the rifle.

If you are in a situation that requires you to magdump 500+ round of ammunition in a general direction, you had problems a long time before you fired the first round.

A soldier MAY burn through 500+ rounds, but I guarantee there will be breaks and the rifles will have a chance to cool off.

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>>31533067
This, i cannot believe they are going through with it. Not that the 416 is a bad gun, its just such a waste. Its such an aesthetic gun, shame.

>>31532963
The G36 looks cool and shit but the AR is the best rifle in it's category, there's nothing better than it right now.

>inb4 butthurt AK fags.

>German engineering

Yes. The Germans managed to put an AR-18 into a plastic shell.

>>31533099
>If you are in a situation that requires you to magdump 500+ round of ammunition in a general direction, you had problems a long time before you fired the first round.
Yeah, like being overrun at Wanat. It'd be good if soldiers can rely on their weapons even in these extreme circumstances.

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>>31532963
oh wow, a dolled up AR18 beats a shortened M16. totally didn't expect that.

>>31533166
>>31533064
>Wanat
There isn't a single available 5.56 assault rifle that could reliably and effectively shoot that much in that short amount of time.

That's what purpose built machine guns are for.

>>31533146
Judging by this standard Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, Bell didn't invent the telephone etc.

>>31532963
Rebuttal, M4 with a pencil barrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzfm4pYhIyY

I counted approximately 25 magazines fired until the weapon was functionally a single shot rifle due to a catastrophic failure of the gas tube.

Starts firing @ 0:11
First failure is a cook off @ 2:15
Gas tube catastrophic failure @ 4:30
Video ends @ 5:19

>>31533205
>I don't know what an ar18 is the post
Wasn't it in one of your CoD games?

>>31533203
Then why was it necessary to outfit the M4 with a heavier barrel when upgraded to the M4A1?

>>31533212
That's the second video in the NYT article.

>>31533224
What the AR-18 was originally one could see with the L85 before HK fixed it.

>>31533166
Expecting extremes from mechanical devices will get you nowhere. If it was a problem, it would have been replaced.

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>German engineering back in the day was so good that the Americans just copied it
>mfw the Germans sued them and made them pay royalties

>>31533283

Wait, are you saying the L85 predates the AR-18?

>>31533237
They use the same barrel? Unless you mean the SOCOM barrels which have the cuts for the grenade launcher.
>>31533283
>I still don't know what an AR18 is

>>31533289
>If it was a problem, it would have been replaced.
Uhh, that's what's happening with the replacement of the M4 with the M4A1.

>>31533304
Nope. I am saying though that good engineering is often found when a guy improves existing things. Edison, in particular, being a case in point. Another one is the improvement of the steam engine by James Watt.

>>31533360
Replacement =/= Modernization

Clearly you don't know the role service rifles are supposed to fill.

>>31533299
this happened with germans stealing czech designs during ww2

>>31533379
Edison didn't improve the lightbulb. He made it an actual thing. Before you had short circuit death traps that lasted a few seconds.

The AR18 was an actual thing.

Your reasoning is retards and you reek of underage.

>>31533127
except the AK74, the G36, the FNC, the Tavor, and every other rifle built in the last 30 years

>>31533320
>They use the same barrel?
They use a heavier barrel?

>>31533406
g36 is shite though, just like german cars

>>31533430
spoken by someone who has never used one

>>31533424
I think you're confusing something else.

My experience in ghost recon proved the superiority of the m4. The Hk simply is too I unstable under rapid fire.

>>31533441
t. kraut internet defense force

>>31533403
>The AR18 was an actual thing.
It wasn't seen as fit for actual service in any decent military, until the Brits tried and failed hard.

>>31533460
>b-b-b-b-b-but the AR18 didn't sell!
Just leave retard.

>>31533385
??
We just established that soldiers should be able to rely on their weapons even in extreme circumstances. Don't weasel your way out of that with red herring semantic bs.

>>31533406
And which rifle is used most by SF around the world?

>>31533447
enlighten me

>>31533472
You're the one acting surprised that service rifles melt after 500 rounds of continuous fire. I'm not asking my phone to mine bitcoins for me, that would make me sound fucking retarded, wouldn't it.

>>31533474
the gun that killed Bin Laden?

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>>31533448
My experience in STALKER proved the superiority of the g36, the m4 is simply too unreliable under rapid fire.

>>31533493
Couldn't tell you.

The SOCOM barrels were made for extra barrel life from what I understand though.

>>31533501
>You're the one acting surprised
where?

>>31533507
???
Try to keep up bud. I know reading can be hard at times.

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>>31532963
British engineering
> "SA80 family is unreliable and Jams"
> Serviced every 10,000 rounds.
> The rifle is likely to never had malfunctioned over its service life.

INb4 HK and german fix

BAE owned HK at the time. And it was mostly UK engineers working on it.

>>31533517
"Beefier carbines en route to Soldiers
...
A thicker barrel will absorb more heat in the new M4-A1 carbine, should a Soldier need to flip the selector to auto, according to Soldiers overseeing the new configuration now being added to the M4."
https://www.army.mil/article/126553/Beefier_carbines_en_route_to_Soldiers

Seems like standard issue to me.

>>31533563
>Seems like standard issue to me.

The m4a1 is now.

>>31533578
The question wasn't about timing but barrel weight. Nice try.

>>31532963

that "German engineering" is actually American engineering as well, the G36 is a modified clone of Stoner's AR-18.

>>31533592
I'm lost. Do you think all m4s have socom barrels?

>>31533619
what?

>>31533534
>And it was mostly UK engineers working on it
[citation needed]

>>31533648
You seem lost.

>>31533458
>tfw regularly shooting H&K guns and driving Mercedes
feels good

>>31533673
Seems so. Where did it go from an article reporting on regular soldiers being outfitted with the M4A1 and stating that it has a heavier barrel to socom?

>>31533754
Because the m4a1 has the same barrel as the m4.
Only modern (like 2013 and newer) m4a1 have the socom barrel and if it was earlier it was a SOCOM thing.

>>31533460
Various countries did end up adopting it, but because of the European colonies in Africa failing, China dicking around in communism and the Soviets going down hill, there was a massive number of AKs for any country that needed arms and we're okay with dealing with Communists, so it didn't see wide spread adoption.

>>31533772
Wait a sec. The discussion began with the question why it was necessary to outfit the M4 with a heavier barrel when upgraded to the M4A1 here: >>31533237
To which you replied that they use the same barrel. Then I cite an article to prove the opposite and now it's somehow all invalid? Help me, I'm still lost.

>>31533848
>Various countries did end up adopting it
You mean military trendsetters like Swaziland?

>>31533515
STALKER is a video game.

>>31533515
>getting into long engagements in STALKER
How?

>>31533889
The m4a1 orginal used the m4 barrel.
Some time in the 2000s you got the socom barrel.
Then finally like 2 or 3 years ago it became standard for m4a1s to come with the socom barrel.


I think you're dumb or confusing the colt 921

>>31533406
>tavor
>better than an AR
This has to be bait

>>31533927
thatsthejoke.jpg

>>31533441
Neither did the Germans.

>>31533990
Maybe you don't understand. The question is how that would matter in the context of the original question that spawned this discussion.
How does the timing of the change prove that it's not necessary to outfit soldiers with weapons that sport heavier barrel, when the Army is doing precisely that?

>>31534039
Because it's often done to prolong weapon life. Slapping ah heavy barrel on an assault rifle doesn't make it a lmg.

>>31532963
>Develop polymer rifle
>it weighs 1+lb more than a design 30 years its junior
"German Engineering"

>>31534088
Uh, prolonging weapon life would be done by simple replacement with original spec parts. Much cheaper. What seems to be so ambiguous to you with this simple sentence:
>A thicker barrel will absorb more heat in the new M4-A1 carbine, should a Soldier need to flip the selector to auto, according to Soldiers overseeing the new configuration now being added to the M4.
that you feel the need to invent your own explanation?

>>31534135
Did you just compare the weight of a rifle with a much shorter barrel and without accessories to a full length rifle with integrated optics?

>>31534160
Thanks for the confirmation that you're an idiot.

>>31532963
Good old german engineering. Too bad it wont exist in 30 years though

>>31534185
out of arguments?

>>31534176

Not him, but...

G36: 3.63 kg (8.00 lb) w/ 18.9" barrel
G36K: 3.0 kg (6.6 lb) w/ 12.5" barrel
M16: 3.26 kg (7.18 lb) w/ 20" barrel
M4: 2.88 kg (6.36 lb) w/ 14.5" barrel

It doesn't take long to look up the numbers, man.

>>31534219
There was no argument. It took multiple posts just to explain to you what the m4a1 barrel is.

>>31534006
Not funny

>>31532963
>fails to cycle after 911 rounds
jet fuel can't melt rifle barrels

>>31533406
>AK74
>G36
>Tavor

lolno.

>FNC

Th-That's debatable, I'll give you that.

>>31533687
I bet you regularly pay out the ass for repairs while your car is regularly in the shop.

>>31533067
>eventual adoption of the 416 when it's not needed.

Gotta look at the bigger picture m8. If they do adopt the 416 now both Germany and France will be sharing the same service rifle. It's just one small, but important, step towards a united federalized, continental army.

Can't wait for the United States of Europe to be formed.

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>>31533927
>>31533931

>not getting it

Anyhow

>getting into long engagements in STALKER
>How?
>what is defend the barrier against the monolith

>>31534405
I don't think you can have more than one monolith.

>>31534235
You took multiple posts to distract from the original question.

>>31534405
>not using the SVD or VSS

>>31534223
Seems to depend on the source where you get the numbers from. Official US military figure for the M16 (not clear which variant) with 30 round magazine is 8.79 pounds.
see: http://www.dodig.mil/Audit/reports/FY07/07-010.pdf
and: http://www.tecom.marines.mil/Portals/120/Docs/Student%20Materials/FMST%20Manual/m16.doc

Official figures from the German military of the G36A2 are 3470 grams for the empty weapon and 483 grams for a loaded 30 round mag. That's a total of 8.71 pounds for a weapon with a 1.1 inch shorter barrel but with integrated optics.
see: http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/!ut/p/c4/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP3I5EyrpHK9jNTUIr2S1OSMvMxsvYzEvJTyxLS01Dy99NTy1IyidGMz_YJsR0UAI88zGQ!!/

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>>31534495
The SVD is hard to find, and i don't like the VSS

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>Yes goys, fight over who has the best gun while niggers rape your wife and children.

>>31534943
>wife
>children
Jokes on you, I masturbate to 2D Chinese cartoons.

>>31534943
Git back to /pol/ faggot.

>>31534340
nope. know the guys, so it's cheap-ish to get replacement parts, if any needed at all. And since my parent's always drove Mercedes, I've repaired these cairs for years with my dad, we're just doing it ourselves.

>>31535271
Good goy. Hehe.

>>31534943
>not discussing the best rifle for rahowa
literally a j(ew)ody

>>31535756
>implying it matters what rifle you use as long as it removes mud

>>31534350
>If they do adopt the 416 now both Germany and France will be sharing the same service rifle. It's just one small, but important, step towards a united federalized, continental army.
SO that's why the G36 was suddenly supposed to be shit. Never thought about it like that.

>>31533203
500 rounds, I think the sig-556 could.
Seen 300 without a problem. 700 with a barrel cool down in snow at 200 and 400.
But temperature for the 700 was round 0C°.

>>31533901
Haiti, Botswana, and the IRA used the gun. Many police departments in Europe and especially the U.S. bought them.

>>31533406

Rk-95

>>31534350

I'll prefer to skip waiting and live with the comforting feeling of it never happening.
Though sadly, what anyone wants doesn't matter to the EU overlords.