VSS Vintorez introduced to Russian civilian market

If Veprs are making it here I believe these will make it here as well. Look at that stock, it's obviously for hunting... chechens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mz2_8ZJWjo
Neat specs

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Very.

Do only the Russians make these?

Did the Ukies or the Pols ever produce any?

If so that would mean there is hope they will make it over somehow.

>>31519421
Will they have a hunter stock VSS??

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>>31519421
Molot isn't banned from selling in the US brah

If it doesn't make it over here it was because they decided there wasn't a market, not because they weren't allowed to.

>>31519468

All of it seems fully milspec. Just skim the full retard mode and make variable calibers to it.

why is russia free-er than America now?

why?

>>31519552

Are you a horse?

Do you have blinders on?

You guys are always forgetting that molot arms is not related to molot by any means. These guys suck.
And one more thing, by Russian laws military weapons can be civvified by either having a new barrel or by having a steel insert that scratches bullets.

> Integrated suppressor requiring tax stamp
> Nothing but subsonic ammo designed around quietly penetrating steel plates

Super cool, but I don't really have a practical use for the rifle.

>>31520690
It's a fake can

>>31519552
Whilw they have loosened their grip a bit in classifications, their laws still suck ass

>>31520590
>steel insert that scratches bullets.
???

>>31520690
Suppressor is fake, it be cool if Molot has the aftermarket already covered for NFA

>>31519495
or import restrictions on either the Russian or our side.

the ATF has the power to make arbitrary decisions on weapon imports.

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>>31519421
There's a Russian civilian market?

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>>31521249
yes

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>>31520690
the barrel is fuck long and the can is fake

>>31519421
Not jealous at all. I don't buy commie shit.

Civvie manufacturer means we might get it. Am hype.

>>31521279
>>31521291
Why do all VAL/VSS/9A-91/9x39 Russian built rifles look like they were built with almost no production quality and the roughest tool marks possible. Its like they were all built on 1000 dollar mills and welded together until they work.

I never noticed that the 9A-91 is pretty much the "AKM" of the 9x39 world where they went back to using cost effective stampings and trunnions from the totally milled billet design of the VSS until I saw these pictures. A nice example of history repeating itself in the weapons design world, neat.

>>31521381
Cuz function > form.

Simple and reliable = best.

>>31520733
Not that retarded guy, but literally steel plugs in the throat of the chamber to stop you from inserting live rounds (enabling you to use only blanks.. unless you have some good drill bits)

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>>31521381
This made me chuckle. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks the way those are put together looks sketchy as fuck.

I still want one though.

>>31521393
Eventually you get to a point where your shit is built to such a low quality that you encounter tolerance and in turn reliability issues.

Maybe because so few are produced at one time they don't have the proper jigs, forging/casting dies and tooling for every single operation so they just wing it.

>>31521454
Russian arms are the most reliable though.

>>31521463
But that's wrong tho

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>>31521463

>>31521471
Nope.

Makarov and AK, unbeatable.

>>31521450
I wonder how common access to advanced CNC is in Russia, especially in these weapons concern facilities.

In some ways it seems like they never moved on from old school tool and die weapons design. I would love to talk with an engineer that worked on some of these small production weapon projects.

I know that lost wax casting small parts production was a relatively new post soviet tech they imported from the west.

>>31521474

Rather than going down that path for the millionth time, let's just say you're right. Past a certain point, and it's very probable that we're there today, nearly any modern rifle is reliable enough for civilian use.

At that point, it's diminishing returns, and you need to be able to ise another metric for deciding on a model.

>>31521406
You are retarded dude, i was not talking about blankshit guns.

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>>31521499
I wouldn't say he's retarded. He gave an intelligible answer. Which you have yet to do.

Please enlighten us on steel insert bullet scratchers.

>>31521527
It's one of the ways a military firearm is converted for civilian use. For example almost all the surplus mosins and sks in Russia either have that steel insert welded or have an entirely new barrel.

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>>31521527
Maybe he is talking about the stepped chambers that Russia did for their civvie rifles.

Some accidentally crossed production lines and made it into the US. Pretty interesting.

>>31521578
Is the stepping for making live ammo not fit?

>>31521596
No, it just makes the neck of the round blow out and conform to the chamber walls while the rifle is firing.

I am guess it is to differentiate brass/steel from military rifles and civilian rifles. So if someone shoots a place up and leaves their casings behind they will know if it is a civilian rifle or a military one.

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>>31521558
You've got to elaborate on that. You've just said the same thing in different words.

What exactly is this insert, where is welded or what would a new barrel do exactly?

I'm not tracking on what you're saying at all.

>>31521667
Whatever dude, I just realized that since these will be only in 7,62x39 and .366tkm so there will be a new barrel anyways.

>>31521625
If I recall correctly, it has something to do with aiding in crime investigations

I hope this gets imported to canada. I want one

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>>31521720
Fine. I'm just trying to learn shit.

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>>31519421
I would sell one of my children into slavery for one of these rifles and a pallet of ammunition.

>>31521786
I hope so too. Probably going to be classified as an AK variant or something prohibited though.

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>>31519421
>live in poland
>midway process of getting a weapons licence
>molot plans to export VSS (my dream gun)
>in 7.62 that is dirt cheap here
>suppressors are fuckin banned
>by a law that was written by commies in 60s

FML

>>31522614
the suppressor is fake, even the Russian civvies have restrictions (Or a ban, dunno) on suppressors

>>31522845
I want a repeal of the NFA so bad. Fucking unconstitutional bullshit.

>>31521786
But it's too scary for you to have anon so it's in our best interest that we ban it.

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>anything but 9x39
sorry, i can get a VEPR in 7.62x39 any day.


Call me when put out something that matters.

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>>31521266
>9x39mm

>>31523529
>Grab 7.62x39mm brass and expand the neck to accept 9mm rounds
>Load 259 grain 9x57 Mauser bullets
>Have a 9mm barrel with a twist rate of
1:11" and can headspace properly with the firearm
>Use 7.62x39 mags but with less ammo capacity
>????
>Profit

>>31523721
That's a lot of work for little reward, senpai.

No thx.

>>31523721
>????
>kB! in your face first range trip
Yeah, have fun with that.

>>31523721
Could you do something similar by expanding the neck of 5.56 cases to hold 9mm rounds?

>>31519421
Why not 9x39mm?

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>>31523815
Though i don't know about going that big, the basis of making wildcats is making current production cases hold bullets they originally weren't made for.

>>31523834
I know the non necked portion of a 5.56 cortridge is the same diameter of a 9mm round. demo ranch was even able to fire a .223 round out of a 9mm glock once. The idea of hunting bear with an ar15 shooting ammo that's some sort of .357 super mag excites me.

video related its the glock test, jump to about 5:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJuu7rwNEc

>>31523815
.300BLK is a thing
Even though 9mm is .38 caliber

>>31524155
300 memout is a 7.62x39 ar for fucks with to much money. Besides thats a .308 diameter round 9x45 supermag for life.

>>31523815
The cartridge is called .357 Rimless Mag.
5.56 brass trimmed below the shoulder and expanded to a straight wall.
Because the cartridge ends up significantly shorter than AR mag length you're not restricted by bullet length. If you can a rifle projectile with a very long ogive it'd still fit in the mag.

I did a lot of work developing loads for the cartridge as part of a side project.
1.100 long 140gr projectiles were devised, along with several heavier projectiles. Originally they were in the range of 260gt to 285gr, but development lead to a 1.450 long 305gr VLD style projectile. Ogive length was around .700 if I recall, quite a long drawn out design. BC estimations put it slightly north of 1.1 for G1 profile.

The dies never got produced to test that one, but it would have been neat to see.

If you want to load the cartridge yourself there are plenty of decent spire point projectiles out there in .357-.358, and you can readily find barrels cut for it.

>>31525103
thats wonderfull news I'd love to build an AR and a bolt action rifle in this. Maybe one of those Mossberg MVP actions so it can take ar mags as well.

>>31519421

I reached out to the exclusive importer of Molot products in the US, FIME Group. They said "We do not have any plans to order VSS models at this time".

Doesn't rule anything out, and it could just mean that Molot hasn't readied them for any sort of export attempt yet..

let me know when it comes in 9x39 with ap ammo and a real can.

>>31521786
Isn't it already banned by name?

>>31528819
No, the VSS and AS VAL aren't even on the FRT

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>>31519421
I would do things that would only come out on my deathbed to a priest for this rifle.

>>31519421
It shouldn't make anyone jealous. I haven't come across a Russian weapon that was well built and/or accurate.

VVS is the epitome of "nice to look at, shit to shoot"

don't get me wrong it would be great fun to own. but it wouldn't be something most people would be eager to take on every range trip. just look at the facts, it's profoundly front-heavy.

>>31529798
>Shit posting this hard.
It's okay mate, the cold war is over, you can appreciate foreign weapons.

>>31529821
Real ones are front heavy, due to the suppressor baffling, which is why the barrel was somewhat short.

A civie version would be better balanced.

>>31529852
This. Just get a barrel shroud on it for cosmetics and you're gucci.

>>31530018
The whole fucking gun is for "cosmetics" without the suppressor and barrel ports.

>>31519495

theres only a small list of russian firearms allowed to be imported, the VSS isn't one of them.

>>31530031
Well they can't import and sell them in that format.

If you want a suppressed VSS you will need a gunsmith to port and baffle it.

>>31530058
I know that, I was pointing out that saying you're "gucci" if you just slap a shroud on it is asinine unless you want to cosplay.

>>31530071
Well it's not exactly like it's going to look great without a shroud dingleberry. It'l look as retarded as the civilian Kris's without one.

>>31521578
>>31521596
>>31521625

My Izhmash BARS 4-1 has a stepped chamber. I dont have anything else to add to the conversation, but I felt like I should mention it.

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Canada when, my Jimmies are on maximum rustle

>>31530071
Yeah, but at the very least I want my VSS clone to look like one.
Baffles and porting come with time, but it's neat that the gun at least comes with the shroud for you to turn into the suppressor.

>>31530184
My sks is lonely and I want more slavshit