US Military's New Sidearm

>>31513077
Beretta, now fuck off.

>>31513083
/thread

>>31513083
>>31513090
But their proposed M9A3 was already shut down.

I always liked the Beretta and I've always liked the Glock. I don't care which wins out.

I did, however, carry the Beretta into combat. Dirt, rain and extreme temperatures had no negative effects.

>>31513077
When would the result come out?
I have no idea how this works.

>>31513141
I know a guy who got two close quarters kills with a Beretta. Which is not to say it's an excellent gun, but it does the job. Ideally whatever the military picks should not have a manual safety on it, but I know top leadership is idiotically scared of such a thing. I think something like the 92G pistol with just a decocker would be a great improvement over an M9/92F style safety.

And another guy who's Beretta deflected an AK round as well, so at the very least you can make the argument that metal frame pistol make useful leg armor.

Modular? Sig, bitch.

>>31513077
tec9

>>31513215
That's a well placed argument.

I'm glad your friend got the drop on them.

>>31513243
He was crawling into a culvert to check out some (((((dead))))) enemy bodies. Real tunnel rat shit.

>>31513215
SOF has already moved to glocks.

>>31513284
I meant no manual safety for GI pistols. Leadership is never going to approve a GI pistol without a manual safety. SOF is a different culture.

>glock
Thats not how you spell FNS.

>>31513077
Mp5

>>31513261
If you're interested in warfare movies, check out "9th Company." It's a story about Russian paratroopers fighting in Afghanistan. They encounter tunnel systems as well.

>>31513120
It was initially shut down. Its just now its a more open field. The M9A3 met 86% of the conditions so with a little tinkering they could improve it and will probably get the contract.

>>31513142
Results wont come out for 1-2 years.

Also, Ive heard this isnt a giant contract like the M9A1 was. If that is the case then they have an advantage in the fact that any repairs are dirt cheap as almost any part from an A1 can be used

M&P dropped from competition!

http://kitup.military.com/2016/09/army-drops-smith-wesson-pistol-competition.html

Just when you thought M&P fags could not be BT more FO, the US Army come along and kicks them while MAC has them down. Extra shifts on suicide watch?

>>31513426
Read that earlier. S&W even partnered with Gen Dynamics to help design it and still came up with a shitheel

>>31513367
They didn't even submit the M9A3, the Beretta in the running is the APX. So if the XM17 actually hits procurement it will not be an M9A3.

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>>31513499
So it's a Beretta-brand Glock.

RIP

>>31513234
Some kind of weird dodge stratus

>>31513423
At first they made it sound like a small contract. Every time I read about it now the number keeps going up.

methinks this will be decided pretty quick. Congress and top brass are pissed that so much money is being spent just to decide which gun to use let alone a contract for new sidearms.

>The program's complexity has been stifling, prompting complaints from the Army's top general and Congress. The paper outlining the MHS's requirements runs a ridiculous 350 pages. Senator John McCain described the handgun selection process as "byzantine", and Army Chief of Staff General Mark Miley complained in March, "We're not figuring out the next lunar landing. This is a pistol. Two years to test? At $17 million?" Miley claimed he could walk into a Cabelas outdoors store with $17 million dollars and buy a handgun for every person in the military.

>walk into a Cabelas outdoors store with $17 million dollars and buy a handgun for every person in the military.

Literally my sides. This general sounds like the kind of guy you'd enjoy drinking beers with

The British Army adopted the Gen 4 Glock 17 as the service pistol and there haven't been any incidents i know of

>>31513568
I don't know much about it, but it and the SIG P320 are the only two that satisfy the "Modular" requirement. The rest have separate full size and compact models which. Besides a bunch of weird semi-requirements like that, they're also allowing multiple cartridges and comparing damage to 9mm ball, so who the fuck knows what's going to happen. All in all it's turned into another fine Pentagon style goat rope.

>>31513077
I really want to say the VP9, but I know for a fact it won't get chosen exclusively because of the paddle release.

>>31513350
Great movie

>>31513688
There are a few worth a damn that did not get "retired" yet

>>31513077
It's most likely going to be the Glock 19 Gen 3 considering it is already part of the supply network and is asked for by name by many in the SOF units. It's cheap to boot.

Glock of some kind would make the most sense. </nutn>

My dream is that we adopt a 10mm for based surplus.

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>inb4 they either drop the testing and keep current berettas

>or they readopt the 1911

>smith got dropped
rekt, when are they going to switch to the Hi Point then.

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Only if modular wasn't in the title...

>>31514234
>like $350 or $400 in bulk purchase possibly less

>reliable

>glocks are in service with many NATO countries and is spec ops already, easing supply lines and making field repairs easier potentially

>lightweight

>cheap reliable and high capacity mags as well

>easy controls (lack of manual safety might be detriment b/c of stupid grunts though)

>off the shelf after market is massive

Seems like a good choice for a weapon 99% of those issues will never fire in anger.

>>31514900
Issued*

I think we can all agree that the PMR30 is the only sane option.

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>>31513568
I hate every single part of that gun.
Slide serrations, jagged blocky sights, magazine release, trigger, trigger guard, front strap, back strap, magwell, slide stop, take down lever, logos, logo placement, frame aesthetics.

Worst looking polymer to date, and it has all the others that came before it to learn from. What a fucking shame. I wish designers would use repetition in design, rather than have a gun that looks like it was made from a scrap pile of different parts. Look at the serrations all over it, not one of them are the same.

Slide has gaping serrations all the way from front to back for some reason, the stop has thin tiny serrations, almost invisible checkers on the mag release. Raised nipples on the front strap, and waffles to the sides. What looks like bead blasting in the back, three rounded grooves in front of the take down. Solid pin on the frame, roll pins on the sights. What the fuck, it's like they wanted to piss off visual autists like me, that like to buy good looking guns.

1911. Glock fanboys will be rustled

8 shot .44 magnum 7"

they are highly trained killers that already carry a fuckton of weight why are we training them like cops to dump 9mm wildly. we need to give these men and WOMEN precision cannons.

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>>31515695
>FBI dumps 10mm because of bitch wrist women.
>thinks the army will ever adopt a .44 mag
And that's not counting the complete downgrade here.

>>31515695
The only reason for the average soldier to have a side arm is for the brass to be able to say people in "combat zones" are armed, or to commit suicide with when you run outa ammo and Isis is closing in, so why not just give them 9mm?

>>31513228
>not knowing sig was btfo by hi point

>>31513077
It'll be a Glock. It just makes sense.

>>31516687
>Military choosing something because it makes sense.
>Hahahahaha
I wish

so what will happen to the old pistols? will the marines inherit them? or will we see them om the market.

>>31513077
Famas

>>31513077
Ruger American in 9mm

>>31516883
This is what I'm more interested in.

As for which pistol SHOULD win, my vote is with the S&W sd9ve or something similarly cheap that would never even be considered.

They are almost never used as weapons. If they are the difference in quality is so meaningless the money would save more lives if allocated to other infrastructure.

>>31513077
M&P rather an ergonomic handgun then glock, specially considering GD is willing to produce them

>>31516937
Thats the wildcard right there. One of just a few pistols that meet the Army's criteria.

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pls

>>31515688
THIS

>>31513568
That might just be the ugliest pistol I have ever seen.

Para Ordinance, because fuck polymer and fuck all of you.

Hi-Point

I'm tired of paying taxes for welfare niggers in the military.

The P320 actually fits the "modular" requirement, unlike the hideous glock lineup. I know glocks work. They work fine but I hate them and their fanboys so much. I'd rather they go back to the 1911 rather than faggot ass glock fanboys have something to crow over like this

>>31513077
Glock? Are you kidding, most of the functionally retarded people in the Army can't be trusted with a M9.
>pull into FOB in a convoy made up of different units
>some female Major gets out and walks over to the clearing barrels
>everyone standing in line while NCOs at the barrels clear everyone by the numbers
>she walks up to a clearing barrel nobody is standing at because she's a officer and shouldn't have to wait
>draws M9, racks the slide with out dropping mag
>points at clearing barrel, flips it to fire, BOOM!
>everyone freezes, she looks confused, racks the slide again, points, BOOM!
>everyone dumbfounded
>she racks the slide a third time, thankfully some SSG who has been running at her this whole time gets to her and grabs her by the wrist finally stopping her.
if that had been a Joe it would have been a field grade and a reduction in rank, I bet she still got a Bronze Star at the end of her tour.

>>31519744
What did she do wrong? Pop off a couple rounds? I dont see the problem.

>>31519760
>What did she do wrong? Pop off a couple rounds? I dont see the problem.
this had better be bait

>>31519774
Is she just stupid and didnt realize the mag was in?

Why did she have to rack the slide after firing? It's semi auto

Should be the SIG. Even if it gets knocked out, it should be the SIG.

>>31519774
Not him, but nomilitary here. I didn't really understand what even happened.

>all these "copy the text" captchas
>it wants me to copy shit while on a phone
Fuck off, google.

>>31519805
>Is she just stupid and didnt realize the mag was in?
the stupid female officer had no fucking clue how to clear her hand gun. being told that someone in the military can't clear their own weapon may sound insane, but it happens.

>>31519837
Instead of clearing her gun like someone with two brain cells to rub together, she had 2 back to back negligent discharges and almost has a third.


You don't even have to be mil to understand.

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>>31513083
>>31513077
>>31513228
>This European company should win!
>No this European company should win!
>No, THIS European company should win!
Fucking kill yourselves. American guns only for America's army.

>>31519875
Sig- Developed and built in New Hampshire
Glock- built in Georgia

>>31513707

It also has a manual safety.

Glock is more than happy to install one if that's what the contract requires.

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>>31513688
>methinks

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>>31519901
>SIG Sauer P320
Designed by SIG Sauer of Switzerland.

>Glock 17M and 22M
Designed by Gaston Glock of Austria.

Don't even try to take ownership of eurocuck guns that they can't even own themselves. The ONLY handguns anyone here should be wanting for the MHS are entries from Smith & Wesson, Springfield, KRISS, and STI.

All American only.

>>31519901

And H&K is in Columbus, Georgia

>>31519928

IMO, Hi Points for everyone. Could probably get a mass military contract for $100 a pistol. Everyone can have a pistol.

>>31516014
why not just give them .44 magnum yet

how often did you pull your sidearm in service? wouldnt you rather have a high powered backup with a bit of range? something you can train on and become a fuckin dirty harry pocket simo hiyha with?

>>31519928
>Springfield
You mean like the TOTALLY ALL-AMERICAN XD?

>>31519933

Because every POG spins the fucking cylinder like Wild Wild West and fucks the timing up.

>>31519875
>Fucking kill yourselves. American guns only for America's army.
>The military that currently uses Belgian LMGs and MMGs, Italian pistols and shotguns, German SMGs and South African grenade launchers
>Even the new M16/M4a1s are made by FN now
>American guns only
Sorry kiddo, that ship sailed decades before you were even born.

>>31519933
>adopting something totally not necessary and more expensive than the alternatives
yeah, nah. stop being dumb

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tbqh, the PX4 Compact. Same ergos and manual of arms of the M92 and it's cheaper.

But if the military does go striker, I would say P320.

>>31519875
>let's spend more money on subpar material just because it's made by our country.
Economic patriots are a bunch of idiots.

Glock or Sig with their P320
Fuck Beretta

>>31513077
M9A3, the US Army is already searching for a hand grenade replacement

>>31518350
This. But just to make NATO pissed: 16 rounds of 10mm Master Race.

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Bring back the 1911

>>31519928
>SIG Sauer of Switzerland
SIG Sauer has no Swiss presence at all and hasn't since 2000, it's Germany and Exeter now, and Exeter is where R&D happens for most product lines and where damn near everything you will see in America is manufactured.

>Glock
Gaston is basically dead you dumbass, but Yeah most Glock products are still designed in Austria, but once again most manufacturing is now just outside of Atlanta, Georgia.

>Smith & Wesson
Already failed out
>Springfield
Croatian shit
>KRISS
lol, their entry is the Sphinx SDP, a Swiss manufactured CZ75 clone with a bit of polymer tacked on.
>STI
The STX isn't bad, but they don't have the manufacturing capacity to fulfill the contract, not gonna happen.

How do you fail this fucking hard?

>>31520089
To be fair most of the FN stuff is made in South Carolina now.

>>31520214
My bad, the SDP is th P-07\P-09 knock off with a little more metal. Point still stands, Swiss knock off of a czech gun.

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>>31513077
While the Glock was great in it's day, it's so very "20th century". Can we get something more "21st century" please? PDK blaster..

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>>31514351
>>or they readopt the 1911
Hell yeah, mother fucker

>>31515688
Eh, if we stick to metal frames, I think a CZ 75 SP-01 makes sense it's 18 rounds of 9mm out of pistol that has a manual saftey and is just about as easy to take apart as a glock and far more reliable than a berreta.

>>31519760
Are you Sootch00?

>>31513077
Cz

>>31513077
Unlike LEOs military these days rarely uses handguns, so it doesn't matter as long it's double stack, can handle p+ loads and is relatively reliable(sorry Taurus). Out of all candidates they should pick cheapest and Glawck probably will be one.

>>31519875
Hi-points for everyone then.

>>31519922
No it doesn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HXjI_fJ71k

>>31520242
They're adopting a double-stack 1911, it's already been confirmed.

M9A3 should have been the gun. It's the all around cheaper alternative and still has a bit of class for Officers.

There is nothing "gentleman" about a glock. It's a good gun for SF because SF actually needs to do transitions from Rifle to Pistol where a safety isn't needed. For the rest of the Army, you're just ASKING for ND's.

>>31522487
>double-stack .45
Tiny hands (wo)manlets get out

Sig p320 in 357sig

>>31514684
>fellow austrohungaboo
removable magazines are passing fad

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>>31513077

>>31513083
Nah, let the army get a new sidearm and flood the markets with Beretta 92s. The day of the $200 Beretta is coming.

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Sig 226 in .40 is ideal.

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FN is already manufacturing our M4s
Why wouldn't they package deal in a new sidearm
Doesn't the FNX series adhere to all their conditions?

>>31519932
>one pistol on hip
>one pistol in holster bra
>two pistols in pack for back up
>MRAP has a crate of pistols
>Active protection system on strykers and bradleys is just 30 hi points hooked up to a computer

>no need for extra magazines- just carry more pistols

FNX45T pls

>>31515016
Please explain

>>31523052
>.40
357 Sig or bust
9.5/10 choice anon

>>31523070
>don't talk me or my wife's son ever again

>>31520214
The STX would work if chosen based on an intellectual property package to be produced by the Army.

>>31516937
>>31517152
It would be my vote as well.
>cheap and simple like a Glock
>handles +P+ like a Ruger
>actually modular
>the name and manufacturing location are an obvious ploy to appeal to muh US-made patriotism

>>31523022
I thought the reason they wanted a replacement was that the frames were beat to the point of non-usability?
They're so worn that it would be cheaper to just get a new gun that addresses the problems of the Beretta than fix their current inventory.

>>31513568
>This is my Glock 40
>This is my service pistol right here

>>31524527
Top,kek

>>31522769
Removable magazines will probably be completely outlawed within two years if Hilldawg has her way.

>>31516937
>Ruger American in 9mm
>Ruger
Looks like I'll be recieving love bites then

>>31520018
>Revolvers
>Implying they won't have Conan .44 Magnum 1911s

>>31520149
>Let's give other countries our money instead of our own!

This is why Trump keeps on bringing up China. You kill your nation by doing this shit.

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Surplus Berettas when?

>>31524851
Already. Not American though.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-9mm-semi-auto-surplus-g-vg

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>>31519744
This man knows the truth.

The officers lost their M9s on several occasions and we had a least 3 instances where they had NDs, point by point what he described. Rack fire, repeat. Then of course EVERYONE had to go through remedial clearing procedure training... You're dealing with the lowest common denominator in the military. The Beretta is just complex enough to guard from idiocy and just simple enough that even officers can figure out how to use them. Shooting them on the other hand is a different story... But I digress... Unless you're infantry, everyone forgets how to use their weapon after AIT and more or less Forest Gumps their way through the quals throughout the year, and god help us all when you try to teach them to use a new weapon system... However the military is probably guiltiest of poor maintenance of their inventory resulting in a weapon covered in rust, pitting, and wear so much so that it can't shoot straight at 7 yards... But at the end of the day, fuck it, they can just get more...

>>31519744
>>31526447
Are people really this stupid in the military? Not that I don't believe you but still...

>>31513077
>Glock
>Army ever choosing a design without external safety

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>>31526511
>>31526447
>>31519744

Far too many have the potential to be that stupid.
So the answer is yes...

>>31526511
Unless you're like, say, me and started as combat arms and had a constant interest in getting to do hands on and range time with anything you could, support personnel, especially in Combat Service Support jobs, were basically dangers to themselves and others.

Need the infographic explaining the exploding Glock meme please

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>>31526511
I'm an armed security guard that has worked with many people who were former military from support MOS' that were abso-fucking-lutely retarded in everything they did with firearms.

>one nigger used to be a fueler for helos
>brings in his gun he just bought "from his home boy"
>Glock 17 that has never been lubricated and is spray painted silver. The whole fucking gun, barrel included
>doesn't know how to break it down and has a variety pack of ammo loaded into his one magazine
>carries it in an uncle mikes nylon holster

>another guy is supposedly a former marine sniper who made SSGT in 4 years.
>carries a Hi-Point while bragging about his FN 5.7 he has at home but never uses at work because he has super illegal AP ammo for it

>another dude who was NG and carried an M9A1 because "it's what i'm used to"
>he was infantry and never issued a handgun
>carried it in a blackhawk serpa that wasn't even made for that model gun so the lock didn't secure it and it would just fall out randomly
>mfw one of his magazines just randomly sprayed rounds out of it while we were driving the down the free way

Never underestimate the stupidity of people from the military. There are smart people there for sure, but the dregs of society see it as an easy pay check and gravitate towards it.

>>31527788
I know that feel all to well

it's even worse when I'm also in the National Guard but do shooting competitions for the Governor's Twenty; people in my unit look at me like I'm some sort of wizard because I know how to use the weapons...

>>31513077
doublestack 1911s in 10mm, polymer lower.