Would modern soldiers be able to cope with chemical warfare?

run to their cars in the parking lot, barracks soldiers will grab their masks but forgot how to use it. Married soldiers would just go home for the day and probably chill out and play GTA

>>31506467

Yeah. We got rid of all our chemical warfare training when the USSR collapsed.

We don't even carry gas masks. The RNBC seals on the Abrams and Bradleys aren't even kept up to date.

Also, the morale is so low that if we even get engaged by a single sniper we'll GTFO.

What do you think, jackass?

CBRNE instructor here, we actually do a pretty good job enforcing proper readiness, especially with forces in 'high risk' areas like Korea. Remember Generation Kill, where the marines were conducting drills all the time, and laughing when the reporter got stuck in his MOPP suit? The training gets amplified the closer you are to a threat

>>31506866

Why is Korea considered a high risk area? Do you know of something we don't?

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>>31506535
sums up okinawa's CBRN in a nutshell only alot more efficient in that regard.
>>31506866
South korea is literally the only place that has half decent CBRN training in the ENTIRE DEPLETED ARMED SERVICES when your stuff goes that's it.

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>>31506885
What is a very easy to manufacture what weapon that cause death and destruction/destroys morale.


Also what is the only country that is on the constant brink of total war with the U.S

>>31506885
Nah, there's just a constant threat of war with a country that has the potential to deploy CBRN elements, possibly preemptively. Every year we hold a huge force-wide excersize where practically everyone gets into MOPP 4 and goes about their regular duties for the day in it

>>31506914

Yeah, but do the Norks actually have a supply of VX?

>>31506914
>Also what is the only country that is on the constant brink of total war with the U.S
>only country
>only

There's several you dipturd, Russia comes to mind before North Korea

>>31506943
I wouldn't bet against it.
If this >>31506934 happens on the yearly.

>>31506951

Thinking US and Russian relations and consequences are anything like DPRKs.

Are you retarded? Every August DPRK says "Give us food or war."

We give em food because its not worth loss of life refugees and reintegration

>>31506943
short answer: ehhhhhhhh, maybe
long answer: it would really fucking suck to have an entire brigade (or more) rendered operationally ineffective because of some shady arms deal made in the 80s. It's good knowledge to have, and the consequences for failing are too great of an operational risk to just gloss over.
Going back to Iraq, we spent months in training before the invasion getting comfortable in the JLIST suits and getting taught what to expect if Saddam pushed the button

>>31506866
To be honest, the only reason I think it would be fucking horrible to go to war with a country with CBRNE capabilities is because I think putting on the gas mask and MOPP suit is annoying as fuck.

Also for those interested, look up SLUDGEM. It's what happens to you when you suffer a nerve agent attack. Basically you cry, salivate, piss, shit, vomit, sweat, and spasm uncontrollably until you die. Doesn't sound fun.

>>31507085
>I think putting on the gas mask and MOPP suit is annoying as fuck.

That's because you're not getting into the proper spirit! Whenever I'm running an exercise I like to pretend I'm a STALKER and do zone things.

>call alarm red and send everyone to a hardened shelter
>play spooky animal noises outside
>send out PAR teams to collect artifacts
>OPFOR attacks wearing adidas tracksuits and GP-5 masks

>>31507175
Whenever I'm doing an exercise (fuck fuck games) I want to kill myself and do suicide things.

Death is preferable to CBRNE. I am glad and thankful that there are people willing to do that MOS.

>>31506866
are you one of the CDTF instructors at Fort.Leonard Wood?

If you are conducting an operation in an area where there is suspected use of CBRNE weapons, all troops will roll out in MOPP 1 at a minimum. MOPP 2 is used when there is a likely hood of CB weapons in theater.

I was in an HHC, so the line companies would have to bear the brunt of the suck, should the shit hit the fan and CBRNE stuff is used.

The downside is I was in a CBRN Recon platoon so if any commander needed an area recon/route recon done where there is CB use, I would be out there, but thankfully in a Stryker NBCRV.

The platoon I was with transitioned over to dismounted recon, so no NBCRVs right before I left.

To more specifically answer your question, training would take over, and soldiers would jump into MOPP 4 as quickly as they can. It would be a rough couple of minutes, but cohesion could be reestablished.

What >>31506866 said is pretty accurate. Because Best Korea is a lose cannon, every precaution has to be taken and really high readiness levels must be maintained, even when training.

Almost all pragmatic estimates dictate that the average US Army unit will suffer 60% casualties if engaged with a lethal NBC or CBRN threat when that element isn't wearing a promask or MOPP gear.

But I'm just an NCO that teaches E4's how to smoke through the drinking tube on their Promask, and keeps a canteen full of water spiked with Gin and Mio energy.

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>>31506943
Even in Army infantry BCT you train for this shit and the crueler DS who get off on suffering will call "GAS GAS GAS" about five seconds before commencing a smoking. We were lugging around MOPP gear for-fucking-ever in Iraq because of the theatrewide threat of WMDs as well. Similarly, the random "training drills" of calling GAS GAS GAS and throwing a few CS grenades in the barracks.

I don't know how much the other branches do this, though. I know my stepsister made it to like E-8 in some REMF AF desk job before she had to rifle qual in full battle rattle and bitched endlessly about how difficult the mask was to put on and how uncomfortable it was.

I heard some news report today that even some African tinpot warlord/dictator/whatever has been using blister agents in their conflict. Assad had/has them and used them as well, and he wasn't exactly a major power even on the best of days.

The cruder chemical weapons aren't hard to make at all, basic chemistry that's been around for hundreds of years. The nastier cold war stuff is more complicated, but still well within the reach of a nation state that's willing to throw the resources at getting/making them.

As area denial or a casualty producing weapon against a modern force with proper training and equipment, they're about as effective as normal HE. MOPP 4 is a bitch to live in, however. Against civilians or other forces not equipped to handle it, they're devastating. Fuck CBRN. That shit is nightmare fuel.

>>31507608

Is there any chance that the Army still has its own chemical weapons? They used to have VX stockpiled in absurdly large quantities. It doesn't seem likely that they would just throw it all away.

>>31507667
I'm not sure on that.

Here is the wiki article on the US Army's chemical weapons program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_chemical_weapons_program

> Alleged use of chemical agents by the U.S. in the Korean (1950–53) and Vietnam (1955-1975) conflicts has never been substantiated and there is no reliable evidence that the country ever used chemical weapons on a battlefield.

>>31507667
I pretty much guarantee they do. I doubt the stockpiles are ready to go right this second, but it seems like every time they decom a foreign base, there's a shitstorm about how there's all this chemical weapons shit leeched into the soil or something.

I mean, fuck. In the earlier days of Iraq, they issued us all these specialized rounds for the 203 for no good reason until we discovered how amazing the incendiary ones were at clearing entire rooms if you could just put one through a window.

The Army has all this awesome shit sitting around ready to go that we just can't use on a regular basis because we're fighting fuckin untrained derkas hiding behind civilians.

>>31507667
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/17/us/chemical-weapons-pueblo-debot/

>>31506552
>Also, the morale is so low that if we even get engaged by a single sniper we'll GTFO.

You're unit is full of fucc niggaz then. When our PB started getting hit by a sniper we did dumb shit and put a target up on the hesco for him to shoot at.

>he hit it 4 days before we left
>he was kind of a cool guy. I think he just legitimately wanted to troll us.

>>31506467
Soldier here. We get the filter mask, suit, boots, and gloves which is called MOP 4. MOP 4 is fairly effective VS. older chemical agents which have to be inhaled. However, the new blood agents are like LSD. They can be absorbed right through the skin and can penetrate mask filters. Any exposure to the skin or lungs is fatal. In order to survive you have to have a closed loop O2 supply, and a fully sealed chemical suit (a tank like in the pic). No soldiers except maybe a chemical specialist is going to have that setup.

TLDR - Against crappy chemicals, we are fine. Against modern chemical weapons, we are fucked.

>>31506885

Just a gut feeling that countries like North Korea would be the last to follow the Geneva convention, and they will literally throw everything if they are losing.

Who knows? Maybe they have whole warehouses of mustard and nerve gas, plus vials of smallpox and anthrax waiting to be deployed somewhere.

Also nukes.

>>31507175
I'll try to keep that mindset on my next drills.

>>31508212
The only good post in here, we couldn't cope because it's basically impossible to properly fight modern chemical warfare.

Good fucking luck when we have shit like VX around