M16 was never adopted.

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>>31499866
>Americans adopt a foreign rifle

Someone independently develops the god tier AR platform within 2 years. All "German Gaylords" are thrown into a fire pit.

>>31499894

It was inevitable, an act of nature

>>31499889
>What is the Beretta 92?
>What is the HK416 that killed UBL?

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>i teleport behind you before you can kill Stoner
pssh, nothing anti-personnel, kid.

>>31499909

dumb frogposter

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So in this reality it leads to the R91 assault rifle in 2077?

Oh hardly. Probably just end up adopting a .223 M14 or some eventual intermediate T48 development.

>>31499913
ur fuckin gay

What the fuck kind of retarded fanfiction is this

>>31499866
>Implying the army wouldn't make a downsized M14 for 5.56 and adopt it from there

>>31499866
How can the HK33 exist if ArmaLite never commissioned .223 Remington?

>>31499866
The M16A1 is better than the HK33 though.

Honestly, it would have been good if we have adopted the FAL in .280 back then.

Americans are too prideful and stupid after WW2.

>>31500126
The FAL is a heavy hunk of shit with substandard inherent accuracy compared to an AR or G3.

Yes, sticking to .308 was boneheaded, but the FAL was hardly the best option at the time.
Without the AR15, a H&K roller-delayed rifle in .280 would have been a significantly more sensible choice.

>>31500126
>t. prideful and stupid euro

>>31499906
>Beretta 92
>foreign rifle
You win this round ATF
>HK416
I didn't know that was standard issue.

>>31500162
A FAL chambered in .280 would have reduced weight compared to a FAL in .308.

G3 is also not a lot lighter than FAL btw.

>>31500179
>brit and belgians offer FAL in .280
>burgers say will accept FAL if it's in .308/7.62x51
>belgians offer FAL in 7.62x51
>lol burgers still make M14 win anyway
>later burgers "revolutionalize" by adopting 5.56
Nope, we euros were just too stupid, not prideful

>>31500306
At this point, America has used foreign pistols, foreign shotguns, foreign machine guns.

It's only the rifles now.

>>31499889
>what is the Krag
>what is the M1916 Mosin
>what is the M1917 Enfield
>what is the SCAR-H
>what is the HK 416

we fallout 3 now

But seriously, the M14 literally did nothing wrong

>>31500447
Being super heavy while still having huge recoil and exposed receiver are a lot of thing wrong.

The M14 was fucking outdated the moment the Stg44 was made.

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>>31499866
>Not the AR-18

>>31500339
Lighter enough, and cheaper to make.

>>31500447
New Vegas and Tactics obviously shows that the M16 was made though.

>>31500514
>AR18 without Eugene Stoner or the AR15

>>31499906
>foreign rifles
>beretta 92
Holy shit, the reading comprehension on this guy. Wewlads

>>31500447
>open topped action
Oops, I dropped my rifle in the dirt, now it's useless.

>>31503035
Eugene Stoner didn't design the AR-18.

>>31500054

>what is the Mini-14.

>>31504422
It was derived from the AR-16 (same thing but in 7.62mm NATO), and the idea was to make a cheaper alternative to the AR-15.

No Eugene Stoner, then no AR-15, and no AR-16, thus no AR-18

>>31499925

>It's literally the Ruger Mini 14.
>Ruger aftermarket is God tier.
>Barrel issue resolved forty years ago.
>Mini 14s can be had for 400 bucks (a reasonable price)
>It's wood and lacks an evil pistol grip, gun grabbers can't touch it.

I almost want this future...

>>31499866
I went back in time and cucked your dad. So now you are.... Erased from history and never made this thread.

>>31499866
I teleported back in time and let the US adopt the STG 44

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>>31504422
are you fucking retarded or baiting? He was directly involved in the development of it. lurk more noguns faggot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-18

>>31504370
That's somewhat exaggerated (as these guns didn't see sopping wet trench wars), and soldiers were kind of given some training on "how to fall" with their guns in the case of that exact thing.

>>31504452
Miles better than the M14 but still not as good as the M16?

>>31504506
Did you said the customary psssh nothin personnel kid?

>>31499915
That is a wonderful cetme, practical factory condition

>>31504514
it literally says he designed it in the first two sentences
>"The AR-18 was designed at ArmaLite in California by Arthur Miller, Eugene Stoner, George Sullivan, and Charles Dorchester in 1963 as an alternative to the AR-15 design"

Better idea, go back even further and prevent 7.62x51 and the M14 from taking off so we could all have .280 bullpups

>>31499889
The M1 Garand was designed by a french canadian.

Let me repeat that so you suffer more :

>A FRENCH
>CANADIAN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Garand

Gotta love le baguette, eh ?

>>31504499
The select-fire AC556 variants did have some folding stocks available, as well as a thicker barrel with a flash hider and bayonet lug.

Setting aside the selective fire, the AC556 and Mini-14GB (semi-auto only), were pretty decent rifles, comparable to the modern Mini-14.

When the M16 had troubles in Vietnam (because of bad mags, overpressure ammo, etc, things which would be mainly dealt with as of the A1 model), Bill Ruger was kind of hoping to get a military contract to replace it with the AC556 line (Armalite was also looking at getting a contract for the AR18), fat chance.

But in spite of this, Bill Ruger, while a clever inventor, was a big fat faggot fudd, and didn't want civilians to have high capacity magazines or military style weapons.
While he still ran the company, regardless of if the AC556 would have replaced the M16 or not, he would make sure that Ruger was not selling the Mini-14GB, the AC556, or any magazines bigger than 10rds (meaning you would have to luck into some LEO selling theirs at an inflated price), and the regular Mini-14 would retain it's poor design choices and properties, because he had no interest in fixing it. This is not a reality that you want.

Sturm Ruger became a MUCH better company after his passing, needless to say.

>>31504604
He spent almost his entire life in America, that makes him American enough to matter.

>>31504514
>>31504534
>Wikipedia

Nigger, Arthur Miller designed the gun. The only relation Eugene Stoner has to the AR-18 was designing the AR-16.

>>31504654
AC-556 was introduced in 1980. There was no hope of Bill Ruger getting any substantial military contracts with the Mini-14.

US Adopts the Famas.

>>31504840
I guess I'm just thinking of the AR18.

I know Bill really wanted some military contracts though.

>>31504827
Yes, so without Eugene Stoner, no AR18, which was the original point.

>>31500029
Someone is such a butthurt sperg they can't even handle the AR simply existing, and feel the need to create a fantasy world to escape it. Mental illness, basically.

>>31504604
Yet it was designed and produced in America. Strange.

>>31505006
By an American citizen.
For Americans.

>>31500357
Current M16A4s in service are made by F.N

>>31504604
Dual citizenship was not permitted in those days between British Dominions, you had to renounce former allegiance and accept the host country as your new identity, when he was three years old.

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>>31504604
It's OK Canada you'll be relevant one day.

>>31507127
Still made in America.

>>31500306
Ok what about the FN MAG and FN Minimi? M240 and 249