California Veto Referendum Fails

>>31494734
>We tried /k/
no we fucking didn't.

The signature drive was done in an inefficient manner, requiring people to sign like 10 different petitions in full. Driving people who aren't passionate, but might have signed if it was just one entry and not 10.

There was no advertising outside of the gun community, and only then, it was only the people who gave a shit about gun rights in the first place who would have known about it. You typical gun owner couldn't give two shits becuase they aren't even part of the gun culture.

Then there are the retards that sign, but don't list complete information, like signs with initials or leave out address, becuase of tin foil bullshit. Bitch, you live in CA, the state already knows you own a gun if you ever bought a gun through a dealer. If you're afraid that the signature gathers are the ones who will steal your info, then go sign at your local LGS that you trust.

I always thought that CA gun owners were better than this, but after this, and recently having talked to people who cliam they are pro 2a but are ok with registration and wait periods, I'm certain that most CA gun owners don't actually care about freedom.

Fuck this, I'm moving out next month anyway.

>>31494734
This was just a temporary effort to try and delay the shit incoming.

Biggest battle will be the presidential AND Senate race nationally. If Demoshits lose the federal government, californian gun owners will gain a super powerful ally that could not only stack the judges for the next few years with more progun ones but also even pass federal gun rights bills that would overrule or at the least aid our shitload of lawsuits on every level. And in fact all this draconian shit could backfire tremendously in the liberals as they all get shot down by a conservative supreme court.

Best case would be if Californian gun owners managed to network with the host of other liberal infested states in such a situation and made a good enough case to the NRA dominated Congress to pass sweeping progun legislation that nullifies all state level assault weapons bans, mag caps, owners licensing restrictions, permit taxes etc that would be a cataclysmic victory and common sense since the progun lobby in general wouldn't have to fight thousands of legal lawsuits and such a bill would literally drive gun culture right in the heartland of the liberal elite and crushing their safe spaces via flooding their enclave with new gun owners. I doubt Trump would veto that since he could espouse winning the war on guns to the NRA and any gun owner period would vote for him the next 4 years, including millions of new shooters.

Announcement from the organizer:

Patriots,

"It is with disappointment that I must now report to you it appears we will not obtain the minimum signatures required to get these referenda on the ballot. We had six short weeks to get so many signatures and we all know what an improbable job it was. We still need to finish this job and get the signatures we collected filed so that the state can do their work and count all of them for an official record. Many citizens stepped up and signed our petitions so their voice can be heard. We need to follow through on our commitment and make sure their voice is heard by filing the petitions to be counted. I am proud that I at least tried to get the referenda through and I hope you feel the same way. I am honored and privileged to have worked with each and every one of you in this effort.

This game we just played was THEIR game. And by “their”, I mean the politicians in Sacramento. They know how insanely short the window is to collect so many signatures on a referendum. And the way they were passed and then of course signed just before the Independence Day holiday were clearly intended to give them a further advantage and secure what amounts to an illegal gun grab from law abiding citizens. I find it absurd because only law abiding citizens will respect these laws, which of course will result in only criminals retaining these soon to be illegal firearms and their magazines. Don’t get me started about the black market ammo dealers coming to a neighborhood near you!

As many have made crystal clear over these past few weeks, the only reason Sacramento can pass these ridiculous laws is because California is one of a few states that does not have the right to bear arms in its constitution. Even if we had succeeded in this game playing defense, the politicians would likely have passed the same bills all over again and required us to do it all over again."

1/3

"For what? Just to retain our existing and limited rights? They would be happy if we were kept busy playing defense, a task that results in no net gains.

Frankly, I am tired of playing defense and I know you are too. Let’s let the existing players continue playing defense while we now go on offense. It is time to take back our rights that have been eroded away little by little over so many years through the imposition of downright dumb and dangerous gun laws written by politicians who clearly had no real knowledge on the subject to begin with.

We have started the process to file a new initiative to amend the California Constitution to respect the right to bear arms. It seems to me fighting defense is really just playing Sacramento’s game – literally by their rules which are setup to make us likely to fail. The right constitutional amendment will respect the rights of law abiding citizens while at the same time keep our community safe by preventing violent felons and the mentally ill from possessing dangerous weapons. One single amendment and the years of relentless and unreasonable, downright stupid, laws come to an end while at the same time removing their ability to impose new dangerous laws on us. This is the one and only true fix.

Soon, a 30 day period for public review and comment will begin. The proposed amendment may be amended up to five days after the public comment period ends. When circulation actually begins, we will need to secure 585,407 valid signatures over SIX MONTHS to get it on the 2018 ballot. We are working to make the petition short enough to enable a typical home PC to print it. Similar to the Grey Davis recall, voters should be able to download, print, sign and mail. However, that does not mean we should not be out there actively collecting signatures. Make no mistake – it will be critically important that we do both."

2/3

"In the meantime, it is imperative - absolutely CRITICAL - that we now turn our attention to defeating Prop 63. We need to make a statement that we are coming and ensure that it not only fails, but fails miserably. That means getting the word out that “Safety for All” is really “Safety for All Criminals”. I frankly will never understand why politicians expect criminals will obey the laws they impose. When guns are the subject of those laws, the result is a very dangerous situation.

Thank you for supporting our referenda effort. I met a lot of good people over the past few weeks. I hope you will continue with us as we move on to defeating Prop 63 and securing gun rights in California. We will be looking to learn from our efforts and what does not kill us makes us stronger. We have lots more experience, so let us put it to use!

Sincerely,

Barry Bahrami"

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>>31495042
They need to stop fucking around with California's rigged games and REACH OUT to our federal allies already fighting on our side in specific lawsuits.

Lets do what:>>31494896 said and get some federal gun rights bill if we can get rid of the Obama/Clinton veto threat.

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our only hope is Trump with the court.

>>31494830

>8 forms
>8 measures

almost like there's one form for each measure

I signed all the measures.

I did my part.

It was all for naught, but now is not the time to abandon ship.

>>31494830
Dude, each form was for each new law that was signed in.

So one for banning standard cap mags, one for reporting a stolen gun, one for the bullet button, etc.

I signed all of them, it took like 10 minutes max.

>>31495271
I did too, once minimum goes up to 15 state wide, this state is fucked.

>>31495256
and newsome was able to have all his shit down with one form.

Sure, it is different, since newsom is trying to make a new all encompassing law, while the vetogunmagedon was trying to conter act bills that was passed, but number of forms one had to sign did drive away people from signing, or some people just signed a few. The fact that two non gun related form being there also affected signature count. It at the very least meant that turners didn't allow signature collection at their stores due to other non gun related political agenda attached.

>>31495325

I went to a local gunshop and filled all the forms, including one that would make custody decisions be made by jury and not a judge.

I at least hope that one passes.

>>31495325
>It at the very least meant that turners didn't allow signature collection at their stores due to other non gun related political agenda attached

really? I signed all of the forms at a local Turner's.

>>31495377
turners or bass pro, one of those types of places back out when they found out that two of the forms was not gun related.

>>31495364
I went to my lgs too. the point is though, you aren't going to get non gun people, or even the gun owners who don't give a shit, to sign if the have to go out and spend more than a minute and more than one signature.

>>31495212
Its a good hope, because most folks don't realize he can load the lower courts too and him winning would mean we keep the senate.

There are a LOT of lawsuits out there that would have a larger impact on California rulings, and even one would be groundbreaking.

>>31495782
Right? we have to vote Trump, and we know Trump is Pro gun.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_LOxq6j4FM&feature=youtu.be

Why didn't they take a page out of the Democratic playbook and just fake the signatures? Who would actually go and check that all the signatures are living people or actually signed?

>>31494734
lmao people thought this was gunna work anyway

Who really is surprised? Just look at the ca gun rallys just to see how embarrassing it is.

It also didn't help how that state alone has about 8 different organizations with most not wanting to help out. Even the the forums was a disaster with the owner trying to give the least amount of support possible.

>>31494830
>There was no advertising outside of the gun community, and only then, it was only the people who gave a shit about gun rights in the first place who would have known about it. You typical gun owner couldn't give two shits becuase they aren't even part of the gun culture.
>Then there are the retards that sign, but don't list complete information, like signs with initials or leave out address, becuase of tin foil bullshit. Bitch, you live in CA, the state already knows you own a gun if you ever bought a gun through a dealer. If you're afraid that the signature gathers are the ones who will steal your info, then go sign at your local LGS that you trust.
So once again gun owners shoot themselves in the foot because of the twin idiocies of "muh secret defacto double registration" bullshit, and "noone but out secret special club is allowed to get in on this" bullshit.

Thanks to all the ignorant, paranoid fucks out there. Makes me almost wish your fantasies were true, just cause it'd mean that a FEMA deathsquad really was eventually going to shoot you against a wall.


But yeah, signing separate forms isn't that hard.

I only heard about it a few days ago. I signed them all but I don't think I know anyone else who did. We didn't get the word out.

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I signed the petitions soon after I heard about the veto thing. Like the others have stated, I think the only way to win is through a federal ruling.

>>31497559
And we need a conservative SCOTUS for that.
But people would rather throw their votes to a 3rd party because they want to feel good about themselves or think president Trump will just enact wacky laws with no entity to counter him.

CA here
This is the first ive heard about any of this.

Another CA here

This is damn disappointing. Brb buying a reloading press.

>>31497305
other petitions have big backers who go and pay people to get signatures. professional signature gatherers are an actual thing. other political initiatives have money for radio, tv, and newspaper ads. it's kind of amazing that 150k+ signatures were gathered by word of mouth in six weeks.

then again I read a thread on calguns earlier where one dumbfuck was arguing that the law required you to register your firearm if it had ever had a bullet button at any period in time before 2017 because in 2017 they would be assault weapons regardless of their being legal before the new year. there's more than a few idiots who argue whether or not a certain setup or gun is legal. i wouldn't be surprised if there were DOJ shills spreading fud on calguns

>>31497634
Haven't been keeping up as well as I should with all the new laws, just knew I was against them all and signed so. I know we can't buy ammo (even mailorder) and all that bullshit about licenses. Is the reloading equipment unaffected? Can we still purchase casings, primers, and boolits license free?

>>31497597
That or congress.

If they finally managed to get National CC online, with some amendments to make it so out of staters could bring non-cali legal firearms via an expanded safe passage clause that is already on the books of the FOPA bill...that could be a real game changer.

Throwing this out here: if you get your C&R FFL and a COE you can order through the internet. This is specifically in the law's wording Have one of your friends get the C&R and COE and he can buy all the ammo for everyone else and you pay him. Illegal? Yeah, but fuck the DOJ. They won't know if it's one guy buying for himself or one guy buying for others. Hell, they won't know if a guy with a COE is doing it at all because there are other legal uses for the COE.

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>>31497754
Ain't me or nobady I knows getting no damn guvment licenses. We ain't no gay butt slaves.

>>31494734
Looks like it's time to move. It's been a long time coming.

>>31497779
Well, if you happen to have a friend who has worked for a city government they might agree because they've probably been put through a bunch of databases already so the COE isn't much of a step. I'm sure at least a few of you guys still have C&Rs that haven't expired yet too.

>>31497754
That COE expires in a year. The whole fucking process is $80~. They take all of your prints. And CA DOJ is getting buttfucked by the increased amount of shit they have to process thanks to all the new system they put forth. My COE literally took 3 months.
I am just buying up all the milsurp I plan to get, all the ammo I plan to use and keep, then just saving the rest of my money to get out of this state. My republican ticket votes will most likely be thrown down the fucking toilet in CA.

>>31497864
Hence the reason for one guy getting it and sharing it. Ammo bill doesn't happen til 2019 I believe

>>31497906
Doesn't matter. The bills were literally railroaded through and approved by Brown in a few months of time.
The next likely governors of CA will either be Newsom or whichever other antigun fuck that had a hand in the current fuckstorm of gun bills.
If you thought Brown was antigun, HOLY SHIT, wait for our next governor.

The system itself is flawed, or more so, the perfect storm of population and cultural legacy in CA is what needs to change. That shit takes a lot of time. CA is lost unless something real REAL big happens or people play their cards right and sacrifice their own generation in order to foster the newer and upcoming generations to not go liberal.

>>31497947
Who are those cunts any way

I signed. I think it was a valiant effort and Mr. Bahrami deserves a lot of credit. Now let's focus on electing Mr. Trump.

>>31497707
As far as I know that's the case. It's only info that I've gleaned from forums and such though, so I urge you to look it up yourself as well.

>>31498072
I signed too. Now, I'm going to vote for every fucking Republican I can find on the damn election ticket. Fucking California.

>>31495032
>>31495042
>>31495054

Question: So we can STILL get the veto petition on the 2018 midterm ballot, right?

There are over 10 million gun owners in California. How the living fuck was there not even 200k per signature on the damn thing?

>>31498319
Possibly. We need a lot more signatures.

>>31498342
Most aren't aware because they don't spend their lives on /k/ and getting 200 emails a week from calguns. Shockingly, people have other things going on in life.

>>31498342
a gun owner can be a person with a single gun,
Not to mention I bet most of the gunowners in CA are the type who are all for thorough background checks, no "assault weapons" mindset, don't mind giving up guns for other progressive social issues, or don't really care and just bought their gun and threw it in a drawer and never touched it ever again.

>>31498319
>Question: So we can STILL get the veto petition on the 2018 midterm ballot, right?
I have the same question.

>>31495212
At this point, for Californian gun owners, there is no longer any choice. We gotta show up to vote this November. All of us.

I hope someone ruled mentally defecient by the state, felon, illegal immigrant, runs into a gun free zone, armed with an SCR with bullet button, using a baby as a silencer, fires a barrel shroud into diane feinsteins face, activating a very dry very very dry nuclear football in her vestigal vagina that sets off tac nukes all along the san andreas fault and all the children and freedom loving US citizens float away on magical carpet american flags as california plummets into the ocean and the copy of the bill of rights at the smithsonian sheds a single tear of joy

>>31494734
So what happened? No really, what happened to the entire thing?

>>31494830
>>31494734
I already signed them all. Like you said, CA government already knows I own Guns, putting my name on a petition isn't anything worse.

>>31497707
Reloading supplies are affected, you need a permit to buy powder, cases and primers.

>>31494830
I signed the petitions and even told others to sign em at the same place I go to.
I am seriously saddened at this development. How is it possible that the dumbfucks have so much time to gather signatures and we don't?

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I wish... that we get nuked, very soon...
This cancer will spread, DO NOT LET IT SPREAD TO YOUR STATE, please stop it.

;_;

Cai gun owners are the dipshits that believe the government wont know what they do if they scratch out their name.

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>>31498342
People just didn't know, we had literally 0 advertising besides little shit like gun related instragrams posting about it. We needed at least 1 radio commercial, one TV spot, one anything that would reach a shit load of people. I've spent more money on donations to gun right organizations than ammo this year but that doesn't compare to liberal cocksuckers in the bay area who can wipe their assessment with $100,000 checks.

All the ones I knew would care I told them. But in CA gun owners are still very used to hiding their power level due to the violin hate that is spewed at us every year. I think the word is finally spreading though albeit very slowly.

Vote trump.

I'm thoroughly convinced Californians have poisoned water or something.

Rolling over and over and over and over and over again is "trying" to them.

>>31498363
Every has gun I know that doesn't spend all day on /k/ didn't even know about the petition.

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>>31499569
We're really not just trying to get signatures, you must understand we are fighting culture status quo's on both the non gun owner and gun owner sides.

Kamala Harris has been caught trying to expose the names an addresses of registered republican voters. Now that she's off to a vastly more powerful office with little opposition with her record of being one of the most antigun politicians in history it does not inspire many with the 'wrong view' to put their name to paper for a cause that is unpopular and can get you 'exposed' to your coworkers, and family. It seems many more gun owners in CA have yet to 'come out' and figure they'll let all the others do the work for them so that they can be comfortable.

Apathy is a factor. These laws have been around since before I even knew what a gun was (born in 1990) and continuously getting fucked over let's you have the mindset that if it doesn't happen now, it will next year. I've been saying for years that we need an offensive, defense is nothing when the other side has endless resources.

The supreme court is the biggest factor- Scalias death prompted all of these laws (and more that we've already defeated) because the left thinks they have nothing to fear when it comes to getting a ruling in their favor. This is important- THIS MENTALITY WILL BLEED MORE AND MORE INTO RED STATES IF SCOUTUS TURNS. we are all on the same boat unfortunetly. If hildog wins, these laws will stand.

We are fighting, even if it doesn't seem like it and gloating about how you're so much better than us is CTR decide and conquer faggotry.

So shoo, Hilary voter. We have get back up after getting knocked down again, some of us arnt giving up.

>>31497649
>other petitions have big backers who go and pay people to get signatures
And the NRA doesn't have money for a petition drive?

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>>31494734
I'm definitely fucked now.

>>31499553
>I've spent more money on donations to gun right organizations than ammo this year
That makes YOU the asshole is this situation.

I'm not going to comply with these bullshit laws. I'm more than willing to drive down to Arizona to pick up ammo and magazines.

All I'm waiting for is for this shit to snowball into violence, when these assholes keep pushing at trying to chip away at our rights. The great thing is, these assholes all live in areas that will immediately descend into chaos and crime sprees the moment we get hit with a hard enough earthquake, which we all know is coming.

The liberal's Proposition 57 doesn't help either since what they're trying to do is release more violent felons on early parole by downgrading shit like drive bys or the attempted murder of a peace officer into nonviolent felonies. This proposition also inadvertently drives more LEOs over into our camp when they've previously stood by and did nothing due to them being exempt from the laws. With the release of felons that have attempted to murder LEOs, maybe the cops can realize they're just being played for suckers by the democrats in this state.

Also, this proposition gives us all another incentive to not obey, why should we have to give up our guns for "public safety" when they turn around and release violent felons right? It's not like the cops will be falling over themselves to enforce a law for lawmakers who at the same time release cop killers on parole.

Civil war will start before the end of 2017 anyway.

This is the first I heard of this and I live in CA. I only own a mossberg pump since it will be one of the last line of firearms to be taken. Already learned to live with the fact that I can't get any of the fun/cool guns.

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>>31500289
Here's your (You)

>>31499553
>vote trump
Hes a jew york gun grabber, the fact that the NRA endorsed him is the very reason that you should not be giving the NRA your money.

California is finished.

Madam President is coming, the rest of the nation shall follow.

>>31500688
CTR fuck off, you're not even trying.

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>>31500772
He literally said in the last debate that he agreed with clinton on the no fly list. He's a fucking anti-gun cuck and he's tricked you into thinking he's pro gun.

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>>31500664
Only vote that matters.

>>31500933
Except he mentioned that it's important to make sure there's due process so people aren't wrongfully put on there, dummy

>>31500461
Where does it say it will turn attempted murder of a cop into a non violent felony? I can't seem to find that part.

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>>31500979
No, he said there should be a way to get off the list. The fact that your rights can be stripped away by being put a secret list is fucking nuts. There should never be a way to have your rights taken in the fucking first place

And fuck you for blindly agreeing with everything trump says just because he's trump. People like you are reason were in this fucking mess.

>>31500575
If we have president Trump on our side, we could have the progun militias and the law enforcment on the same side in that shitstorm, and the liberal agenda is doomed.

>>31501046
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-aligns-with-nra-on-watch-lists-and-guns-1475003335

Go away.

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>>31501069
>The nra thinks its okay to take away peoples right, so that makes it okay!

Fuck you and drumpf. I kinda hope he does get elected so you can see him support gun control laws and make another assault weapon ban. Go jump off a bridge cuck

>>31501192
Then we go to war.

>>31495212
You're only hope is YOU anon. Now get out there and start killing.

>>31500933

>I got rekt so ima cry about it!

Lol.

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>>31501046
This. Trump is by far the best option right now, but dont expect for this watclist thing to go unnoticed. This HAS to go before SCOTUS.

bump for extreme anger and sadness

>>31498535
Holy fuck that was my ace in the hole. Time to just get the hell out entirely I guess

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Looks like I'm going on an adventure! (and not coming back to commiefornia)

Godspeed to all you pathetic neckbeards

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I really don't want to register my salty child remover, but I purchase the lower earlier this year. iirc there's already a long gun registry that started in 2011.

Thinking about going featureless but that sharkfin grip wrap is ugly af.

I still don't understand how the mail order ammo ban doesn't rape the Commerce Clause. It does, of course. And nothing happens.

I honestly think we are witnessing the death of the rule of law in this country.

>>31506941
In what way does it do that? You have to explain this further.

I still don't get how they are going to control private sales

>>31506841
No one is ever going to know that you ever put any parts on your lower.

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>>31506941
It's the beginning of the end. The best thing we can do at this point is split up CA into smaller states, or leave CA all together.

>>31508272
They won't. CADoJ may set up stings, but I can't imagine that would go well. But then again, CA gun owners have made a fucking game out of "who can roll over first," so I I actually can imagine private sales stopping.

Fuck this state. I'm moving as soon as I can find a job.

>>31508272
>I still don't get how they are going to control private sales
In California, there is a handgun registry. And since two years ago, there's a long gun registry.

This means that if they ever run a check on a gun and find them in the hands of other people, you're going to be charged as a felon, I think. That's quite enough to scare people away from doing private sales.

>>31508603
I guess I meant ammo sales. will itbe illegal to post online ads? instead of "ammo" we can say "hot dogs" for sale or something else?

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Fuck...should i just drop out of college and move?

Australian here

we feel your pain

>>31509055
Yes.

>>31509055
>should i just drop out of college
Are you actually stupid or something?

>>31509055
Depends on your degree, your goals in life, and whether or not you can get a comparable degree in a free state.

>>31509179
Planning to get a BA in Russian and work for the gov. I did an immersion program and did a brief stint as a tutor.

>>31494830
>implying anyone in power gives a shit about what the people think

>background check for ammo
Buying ammo for the guns i do not have is going to become more difficult.

Is it still safe to buy a cap and ball revolver so i can dick around shooting at cans on occasion? I really dont want to move yet because it is nice here.

>>31509228
why do you have no guns?

>>31509963
So they cant take my no guns away anonymous.

>>31509973
thats gay, ur gay

>>31509997
No, just Californian :^)

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>>31495032
>>31495042
>>31495054

Yeah no. As fellow Caliman, this firebrand is not going to turn in any fresh blood.

>We are working to make the petition short enough to enable a typical home PC to print it.

I mean they finally understand why they failed in the first place, but did not actually work hard enough to correct it. This is already thinking not one but 5 steps behind in doing actually anything at all, such as the way of bureaucratic backgrounds.

>>31509055
>Fuck...should i just drop out of college and move?

LOL no finish collage, unless you are doing community.

>>31498381
KEK.