PTR 91 vs C308?

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bumping this good question

>>31482380
Hk didnt make the cetme.

The c308 use a lot of surplus cetme parts.

>>31482425
The C308 is also made by the drunken monkeys at Century. Look at one next to a PTR sometime. The gap in quality is massive and obvious.

>>31482380
The PTR is made with HK licensed tooling from Portugal. The C308 is made from surplus CETME rifle parts kits.

PTR > Century

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>>31482425
>>31482474
this

>>31482425
So as I understand the c308 is just more of a mix mash of different parts, but couldn't that be later corrected given the shooter has:

a) the equipment to do so
b) the experience and will to do it?

I hear nasty stuff about the century c308, but honestly I can't really buy into anything that centers trivial shit like head space as a severe enough issue that the rifle must be sent back to the factory. I'm starting to think that many consumers are firearm inept and are too afraid to fix anything short of just shipping it back.

>>31482489
I mean, if you want to buy a rifle just to replace all the internals then go for it. That doesn't make it a good choice just because you can. Just buy the rifle that doesn't require the additional work just to make it decent.

Not to shill the thread, but why hasn't anyone made a milled receiver for the g3 yet?

>>31482531
>would buy

That said, nobody else would. The cetme is one of the most produced battle rifles in the world. It would take 50 years to wear the surplus of parts thin enough to create demand for such a part.

>>31482489
To correct it you would need to buy a new bcg . New bolt, new furniture, new sights.

At which point you should have just gotten a ptr


As far as headspace. I have an older century cetme. It is out of spec for bolt gap and i though just needs new rollers. Nope it needs a new BCG. Why? To head space it Century just took a grinder to the rear of the bolt, and the bcg cocking extention.

It will fire. But it is out of spec.

I dont care i got the gun for $50. And i intend to make it a winter project as i return it to the cetme c look

>>31482562
pic of such bolt? it would be a nice addition to the collage I intend to make in the future.

>>31482587
Title: Century a shit?

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>>31482587
Not at home. But here is a good reference pic from the place that shall not be named

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Also a good pic to show the difference between a cetme and an hk bolt.

They are not interchangeable

>>31482632
>>31482647
wow

>>31482380


Peeter is best battle rifle.

>>31482380

If you PTR fucked up, you can send it back to them and they will fix it free of charge

If your Frankengun Century is fucked up, you lost your entire weapon just because you refused to spend an extra 200 bucks for QC and customer support

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C308 is a total crapshoot, where even if you win you kinda lose. Pony up the extra dosh for a PTR, they're solid. You could also probably build a pretty competitively priced AR-10 if you're not set on those two

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The general rule with Century is that their imports are good. Anything they make you are gambling.


These threads keep popping up and the answer is the same. Get a PTR. Better parts compatibility, support and quality.

Here's the kicker: poorfags who want to save $200 by buying a century should consider the ammunition cost. If you have a hard time getting $200 more you are not going to afford shooting it. So in that case just get a century and let it be a wall hanger. Show it off to your friends. Load 3 rounds per mag to savor the range time.

If you are serious about getting a good battle rifle and want to actually use it don't get the shitty one.

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Sorry to get a bit off topic, but I do not see a /brg/ at the moment, so here I am.

I cannot seem to find anyone posting their groups with a 91 clone and good brass-cased ammo and a decent 4x+ optic. Nearly everything I see is iron sights with steel cased South African surplus.

I ask because I'm looking at getting a hog culling rifle, and I'm strongly considering getting a PTR. My reasoning is as follows:

PTR91 - $1200 rifle after getting a trigger job and jerry-rigging a solution to chin-weld to look through an optic, no idea on accuracy, but range past 200y

AR308 - $2000 dollar gun after replacing the trigger and free floating the handgaurds, but accurate as I'll ever need, range past 200y

6.8 SPC upper - $1000 upper on existing lower with a good trigger, but I drop below expansion velocity right at 200y

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>>31483879

There you go

With Remington Corelokt I can get 1MOA with a 1-4x Leupold Mark AR

Getting good groups with a PTR isn't hard, but people who own PTR's actually like to shoot them so most of the ammo used is steel cased. 2-3 MOA is ok for a BR is 99.9% of applications.

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>>31483879

meant to post

>>31483935

>>31483879
PTR is probably going to be about 2.5 MOA, I don't know if that's accurate enough for your purposes or not, but they pretty good for what they cost.

>>31483947
>screenshot of a youtube video
lel that's pretty retarded

>>31484269

>PTR is probably going to be about 2.5 MOA, I don't know if that's accurate enough for your purposes or not, but they pretty good for what they cost.

Depends on ammo use and the barrel your particular PTR has, the FR and SC models with the bull barrel are going to get better groups than a standard profile barrel you would get on a GI

>>screenshot of a youtube video

He wanted a picture so he got a picture, does it really hurt your feelings that a relatively affordable rifle can get the same groups as a safe queen AR-10 that goes for 2-3x the price?

>>31484355
Alright, so they can be 2moa on a good day.

Of course a PTR can shoot a 1MOA group, at 100 yards, sometimes. Even a broken clock is right twice a day and all that. The reason those AR-10s cost more is because they're more accurate guns that can do that all day. PTR is a solid gun at a nice price point but cool your fanboy shit. Just because you can only afford one rifle doesn't mean you have to moon over it autistically. A still from a youtube video that doesn't even show the guy firing the group isn't proof of shit.

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>>31484570

Jesus Christ you are worst than the idiots who spend thousands buying bullshit tactical accessories for a "sniper rifle" only to get outshot by someone with a stock 700 with decent glass

The PTR is cheaper because it costs less to manufacture, if you can't figure out that minimal parts in a stamped receiver cost fuck all to make then you can't be helped. AR's cost more because the production costs are higher. Basic economics isn't magic

>>31483935

Assuming that rifle is yours:

How do you deal with establishing consistent cheek-weld with the low stock comb?

Also, how high of rings would you need with a 2-10x40 optic to clear the paddle mag release?

Finally, do you know the barrel twist? PTRs website doesn't say, but I've seen conflicting reports of 1-in-10 (good) and 1-in-12 (not so good).

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>>31484671
That poorfag rage is tangible. Maybe if you ask nicely mommy will buy you some ammo for Christmas so you can actually shoot your rifle :)

>>31483879
Don't let that guy put you off of buying a PTR, they're good guns. I promise that buying one won't turn you into a raging tard.

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>>31484778

Yes the rifle is mine

>How do you deal with establishing consistent cheek-weld with the low stock comb?

The rail keeps it pretty good, if it was a claw mount then I would have to get the cheek riser

>Also, how high of rings would you need with a 2-10x40 optic to clear the paddle mag release?

No idea, I keep mine in BR configuration

>Finally, do you know the barrel twist? PTRs website doesn't say, but I've seen conflicting reports of 1-in-10 (good) and 1-in-12 (not so good).

I think the older models were 1 in 12 for the GI but all the new ones are 1-10

>>31484801

>That poorfag rage

Is that you projecting nonguns rage?

You came into this thread with nothing to contribute but nonsense. I will be waiting for you to explain how spending more money on a stock gun lets it break the laws of physics which would be interesting considering that even companies that sell semi-auto precision rifles to the military and leo don't like to claim anything below 1 MOA and that is with good ammo

>>31482531
If the current political climate pans out like it should, I suspect it will happen. It will fuckhuge expensive, but it probably will happen eventually.

>>31482551
I would ask whomever finally made one to gracefully take my fucking money. It probably wouldn't be in large numbers, but it would kind of be like those 338's: noone could afford, but will want. It would be a cover story on your favorite issue of gun porn.

>>31484912
A gun shooting a single 1moa group one time does not make for a 1moa gun. Go shoot 5x5 groups. Being repeatable is what determines moa for a given platform. PTR is a 2 - 3 moa platform.

>>31485016
You're fooling yourself if you think a 1 MOA AR is anywhere near what you buy stock. And a PTR is cheaper than an AR10

>>31484778
Fixed optic seem to suit the PTR well.

>>31484671
I have a PSA AR-10, FAL and PTR. My PSA is a melonite free floated 18" version. I get slightly better groups out if my AR-10 but the optics are different and I was using a bipod on the AR and resting the PTR on sandbags. That being said I hunt with my PTR because it works every single goddamn time.

>>31485016

Already done that with good ammo. The only real inhibitor is cost

> PTR is a 2 - 3 moa platform

The G.I. yes, get the more costly models with the target barrel and you get better accuracy. No one ever claimed the PTR much less the G.I. to be a sniper rifle. Stop projecting you bullshit because you are assblasted for whatever reason.

Tons of fuddlore. The newer C308's are likely of acceptable quality.

The older production models, are poorly made and suffered from numerous defects, but may be serviceable upon inspection of the individual rifle in question.

The difference will be in the welded top rail and Polymer lower reciever. Older guns are built with what looks like a modified Cetme lower and no top rail

>>31485125

Century being known for dogshit isn't fuddlore. Their AK's can't even go past 400 rounds for a torture test before going kaboom

>>31485125


btw i have a PTR91 and this older model CETME on hand.

I would buy a C308 if i was a poorfag/ casual but i have a nicely set up PTR91 instead.

>>31485106
>Already done that with good ammo. The only real inhibitor is cost
Go ahead and post the video then kiddo, because no one else has for you to take a screenshot of lel

>>31485147

yeah, but i haven't heard any reports of ground bolts on new-production CETME'S. they have not manufactured these for a couple years at least. The new models appear much better in fit and finish, i looked at one at the gun shop and it was definitely acceptable quality.

The bolt CETME on hand is clearly a piece of shit and did actually break, thankfully in a minor way that i fixed easily. But it fires great. Definitely a shittily made rifle compared to my PTR91, but would be fine for 'plinking' or casual/ 'defensive' use.

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>>31485159

>he goes to the range to take selfies

>>31482380
My buddy has a C308 from Century, and I bought a PTR91AR Atlantic firearms edition.

Mine's fit and finish is miles ahead of the C308. The Century gun has very rough welds, the Cetme rear iron sight and handguard is garbage and it just feels cheaper. However...

His rifle goes bang every time he pulls the trigger, and from a bench we could not notice a difference in accuracy using the same ammo. The C308 in my limited experience is reliable and accurate. He also has the Bayonet mount already in the rifle.

>>31485200
>He goes on an autism support and Chinese breadmaking forum to make claims without evidence

>>31485201

You are still discounting PTR's customer service. Even if you are the 5th owner of a rifle from 2006 and have no paperwork whatsoever. They will still honor that warranty as if it was a pact with Satan. Get a bad Century and you have a 9 pound paperweight. But its easier to get a divorce from a devout Catholic than PTR would find reason not to fully back up one of their rifles regardless of how you came to own it

>>31485234
Not saying Im not glad I choose the PTR, but I dont think the C308 deserves all the hate it gets. Its the cheapest Semi 308 you can buy, and therefore fills a niche. For somebody (like my friend) whose just bought it as an impulse buy at academy and shoots it rarely its not such a bad item.

>>31485293

The hate it gets stems from the fact that you can get a much better gun if you spent an extra 200 bucks or even less if you waiting on an atlantic arms sale

Its the reason why you get laughed at for buying a DPMS

>>31483715
You rifle is the exact same as mine if you swap the green for black hand guards. You have good taste my friend.

>>31483715
Did you paint the black handguard green? It looks just like mine...which I painted.

>>31485330
Yeah if you specifically want a G3 style rifle I agree with you. (I did, which is why I waited to get the PTR I wanted.)

But if your just buying a another gun to dick around in the woods with, and just want something in 308. Its (c308) is not that bad of a choice.

PTR is a G3, made of original G3 tooling, the c03 is a monkey assembled pos.

>>31485381

Literally why would you do that?

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/Wide-Forend-Black-HK91-G3-PTR-112p213.htm

>>31482380

I bought a C308, 2016 mfg. Supposedly receivers and assembly are now done by PTR. Really the biggest giveaway is the surplus BCG, and CETME rear sight but everything else (Barrel, receiver, furniture) is new, no wear.

The BCG has no grind marks, and the bolt gap is in spec (.016 or 17 thou, don't remember)

Word on the street is, it's pretty much a PTR-91 receiver with CETME parts and new furniture.

I want to get some wood furniture, but otherwise it's been a solid rifle. I like the rear sight on the PTR better, but build quality seems comparable and I'm not sure you can beat a C308 for the price.

>>31482380
I asked in another thread, but will these guns run steel well? What is also a good bullet weight for .308?

>>31485502
They love steel. I Usually shoot plain 147 gr.

>>31485502

Yes, I have had good results with Monarch and Wolf, the performance is on par with most brass M80 that would go for 5 dollars more per box

>>31485502
if configured correctly, these roller locking monsters will pretty much run anything you feed it, and then spit it out 20 feet away

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>>31485334
>>31485381
>>31485396

I got the handguard for $75 and the bipod for $80 from RTG total was $167 shipped. HK parts is great if money isn't an object. I'm dressing up a PTR, not a hk-91 collector piece.

The fixed prism optic is just so damn good on a PTR. I had a Nikon 3-9 on a riser but cheek weld and cocking were problems. The only thing I want to do for this rifle is get a decent optic mount so I can use the diopter.

Anny suggestions? Primary Arms 5x Prism


Before the wide handguard and bipod.

Bought one when I heard ptr was doing a lot of the assembly and parts. No grind marks or out of spec bolt gap. Sights are shit but will get some sort of optic for the picatinny. Plus not paying another $500 for a paddle release when I can reach the standard release just fine. If I am gonna save more for a nicer rifle, I would get an AR-10 or SCAR.

>>31482380
This is like comparing glock to hipoint

"On the left you have a polymer pistol that works pretty good, and on the right you have a monstrous pile of shit that is loosely based on the same idea"

Real talk, a ptr91 will shoot whereas a c308 will jam once a magazine for the first 300 rounds and then get stuck casings every other magazine afterwards.