Weapons for Mars

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By image, I meant this one.

>>31480387
Mosins would be perfect. You can see, and shoot for miles.

AR-15. It can go anywhere, do anything, kill anything, its indestructible. Its a miracle of modern science and engineering. NASA wouldn't be foolish enough to use a lesser gun, which is any other gun but the AR-15.

>>31480498
How would the aluminum fare in 218 degrees Kelvin?

Rikhter R-23 cannon

>>31480498
Sounds like someone got buttblasted in the AR vs AK discussion earlier.

>>31480387
Bolt-action rifles.

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Shotgun.

>>31480642
Mauser action, or Mosin-Nagant? Polymer stock, or some kind of wood/laminate? Rimmed or rimless cartridge? Do you keep a machine gun in mind when you make these choices, or let your logistics go to hell? Fuck everything and go Lee-Enfield?

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>>31480387
>what weapons would actually be suitable for use on Mars?
anything that can poke a hole in a space suit and doesn't require oxygen to function

>>31480674
Laminated wood might be better.

If it was between a Mauser and a Mosin, a Mosin would be better simply for ammo availability.

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>>31480703
>He doesn't know 7.62 NATO Mausers exist

>>31480695
firearms don't require oxygen, they have their own oxidizers

>>31480387
Browning Automatic Rifle since it wouldn't weigh so much there.

>>31480674
How would a powder charge, much less a percussion cap, ignite in such a low pressure atmosphere?

Generally moreover, how would trajectory be affected in such a smaller force of gravity?

>>31480831
Both primers and powder are self-oxidized, otherwise the Soviets wouldn't have been able to use that 23mm cannon aboard Almaz 3. Trajectory would be much flatter, though. Six millibar atmospheric pressure and .38G would make for very flat trajectories.

More interestingly, what gun could shoot right out of the fucking atmosphere, given the conditions on Mars?

>>31481054
Anything painted FDE

>>31480387

>he thinks white trash American NRA member gun owner scum will ever get to Mars.

>he seriously thinks this

Listen up fuckwad. Mars, if it ever gets colonised, will be populated by smart people and hard workers. Fat retarded American trash like you won't be going.

>>31480387

>Would it make more sense to field a battle rifle or an assault rifle? I somehow don't think Mosin carbines would be the best option.

Shut the fuck up you imbecile. This is the most cringeworthy thread in the history of /k/

>>31481238
>He says this while NASA sent our airforce pilots up the moon and in space

Low recoil is a must.

Also, is mars terraformed in this scenario? or is it still red and dusty?

if it's not, a .22 would be perfect. just need to poke a hole in the suit to kill someone.

>>31480387

This is a pretty sad attempt to put a /k/ related spin on a current news event

Pretty, pretty, pretty sad.

Sadly, there won't be too many /k/ posters or people from the broader demographic that /k/ draws its posters from going to Mars.

Mostly Asian Americans, Europoors and Chinese would be my guess

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>>31480871
Would recoil from full-auto fire become more controllable?

>the Martian arms industry develops an entire class of large, sturdy, hulking battle rifles in anywhere from .40 to .50 caliber, yet can be easily toted in low Martian gravity
>Martian aircraft, due to the sheer amount of extra weight that can be slapped on them for armor, become renowned for their near-impossibility to shoot down
>Martian structures, especially military building and bunkers, are hideously ugly monstrosities that would collapse on their own weight on Earth, but instead are impenetrable fortresses in Martian gravity

>>31481329
Unless the suits are self sealing, since you're gonna have to cover your troops in a suit might as well make that suit out of kevlar or some other bullet resistant material.

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IMO a Non Neutered FN-P90 would be ideal. Relatively lightweight and compact,easy to haul to space as its kinda square. Low recoil and very efficient ammunition weight to performance ratio and very efficient magazines. The bullets would have even more velocity due to gravity and atmosphere (or lack thereof) and could help defeat body armor space suits.
Straight blow-back might help with the extreme low temperatures and low pressure versus a gas operated piston or direct impingement system. And as long as the lubricants used are appropriate for the temperatures it should do fine.

>inb4 5.7 is just .22 mag. Thats a good thing in this case

Also we stargate now

>>31481636
Also forgot to mention the polymer body might help with the cold and its a relatively sealed system to help combat martian dust storms

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>>31481636
>you'll never blast space gooks in tiger stripe.

>>31480387

Something particularly resilient against blowing sand and low temperatures. Keep in mind that due to the thinner atmosphere and weaker gravity, any gun you take there would have considerably greater range than on Earth.

>>31480387
Off tangent here but there will be no need of weapons on Mars for a very long time. If we managed to send people there, we would have spent literally billions per person and will not allow some 'hunting accident' to kill them there. Each astronaut would be vetted for psychological, physical, medical, academic, technical knowledge: the literal best humanity has to offer. So, no, they won't be shooting at each other until space travel is cheap enough for Joe Cletus from Bumfuckdia to hitchhike there.

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>>31481821
>discover monolith
>need to keep rooshans and the chinamen out
how you gonna do that without a gun, bitchboy?

>>31480387
HAIL, CAESAR!

>>31480542
It would be cold

>>31480387
The most important thing would be being able to operate the gun's controls while wearing a pressure suit, and that'd depend on the details of the suit, gloves especially.

>>31481238
What countries can actually send stuff to Mars successfully? So far it's the US and... India.

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>>31481636

>>31481821
If there is conflict in space, it's a lot more likely that it'd have the colonists from various countries all allied together against the countries that they came from. They'll have more in common with each other and more reason to work together than they will have connections to a place they left behind presumably for good to start a new life, and most likely will end up resenting Earth's attempts to control and command them and demand resources for profit. Mars/Moon colony wars are not going to be proxy wars between earth nations, they're going to be revolutionary liberation wars against Earth nations.

>>31481931
Someone's been reading The Expanse books...

>>31482374
Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, mostly. I recommend both of them.

>>31481931
Don't forget wild-west style claim jumping and all sorts of illegal mining going on in the asteroid belt

That'd result in a lot of fights like OP's pic, and they'd need something trusty, cheap, and not too strong (habitation domes ain't that durable.

>>31481931
>New America vs America

>>31481366
This despite the fact that many American astronauts are US Military. OK.

>>31481636
That sounds pretty dang useful, but how easy is it to service one? Especially because it's infinitly harder to get gun parts on Mars

Dust, operation at low temperatures, and cooling for high rate of fire/automatic weapons will all be issues. The Martian atmospheric pressure is only about 2% of Earth normal, so there is not a lot of atmosphere to carry off the heat once you start firing.

>>31481414
Bruh, Mars has ~1% of Earth's atmospheric density. Aircraft would be far more ineffecient.

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>>31480387
>no Kraut space magic

I'm dissapointed /k/

>>31480449
>china and india join up

I'll take shit that'll never happen for 20 anon. We hate the chinks, we'd rather join up with Team America and make the chinks and pakis btfo

>>31480802
might as well carry M240's at that point.

>>31480672
>shotgun I agree.

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You stone age plebs!

This is the only answer!

>>31484143
Why tho?
All you need to do is plink some people in stiff EVA suits who will die after they get hole'd.
You don't want to destroy the relatively fragile hab-stations, do you?

>>31480387
You'd need to build one from the ground up. Gets fucking cold, and temperature can vary from pleasant 80 degrees to literally freezing 20
just by going from your shoulder to your feet - just going prone is like stepping into winter.

Vacuum welding is a bitch, so you'd need dissimilar metals on all contact parts. You'd also need something with a fat barrel to deal with the slow as fuck temperature radiation due to wispy atmosphere. Full auto's would melt themselves pretty quick.

On the plus side, you'd be able to shoot farther than you ever could on Earth. Low gravity means if you fired a 5.56 horizontally from your shoulder, it'd only hit the ground a mile and half away (somewhat less due to the atmo, but still pretty close). No wind, no weather. Day to day shots on Mars would be record breaking on Earth

>>31481820
>Something particularly resilient against blowing sand and low temperatures.
Don't forget the soil full of nasty oxidizers

>>31480387
Would you have to adjust a gas operated to deal with the pressure difference or would it run fine?

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>>31480695
Except space suits are armored against micrometeoroids fucknut. What do you think your little stick is going to do?

And where did you even get a stick on Mars?

>>31484829
prolly depends on the rifle, but you have to adjust gas systems for different ammo on earth now. This is an already to solved problem.

There will be no weapons on mars for many decades if not centuries/ever

>>31481054
Nothing. You'd need to fire at 3200m/s or 10,000ft/s to even get to orbital velocity. 5000m/s to get to Escape.

Fastest I know of is .220 Swift and it only gets to 1300m/s

mining vehicles converted into combat vehicles

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>>31484874
That is the best representation of a combat suit/skin that illustrates the needs of a spacesuit needed for warfare and just general rocky terrain that would shred normal space suits. Be life afghanistan but 50 times more dust and no way of getting the sand out of your boots,,, I think an upgarded F2000 or IDF tavor hybrid would be the best solution and would need to be liquid cooled to prevent heat stress to the polymer which would need to be upgraded to prevent premature uv radiation degradation. and it must me in FDE or some desert camo. MY rifle is good but it would need an overhaul for the polymer and need a thicker liquid cooled barrel with the liquid under pressure to a recirculating tank on the back. Christ we really are going to need exo suits if we want space warfare just for the terrain alone...

>>31484143
>Caseless
>in thin af atmosphere

Enjoy your cook-off. They couldn't even fully stop that happening on Earth.

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>>31484990
>grammer took a backseat to alcoholism

>>31480387
The weapon would need to be heavy, (LMG, SAW, or GPMG) for the lower gravity. It would be like using an assault rifle on earth. To counter increased recoil due to low gravity, muzzle brakes are a must.
The low air density would favour high velocity rounds with low ballistic coefficients. (Same bullet but lighter.) The air density won't slow bullets as much, giving .308s lapua magnum like accuracy. (Maybe. Just speculation.)
CONCLUSION: a squad automatic weapon like the RPK, or something chambered for Grendel or SPC would be ideal.

>>31485068
Needs to be polymer since any exposed metal to the solar radiation would heat it up to unbearable levels and could potentially cause cook offs. Will need a quick change barrel system with compressed liquid channels connected to a quick detach external hose to suit system like an HPA tank with a water pump but possibly a waterless coolant used in nascar or severe temp changes .I also agree 6.8 SPC 5.56 or .220 swift would be a good idea. Recoil would be amplified in a low grav low atmo environment.

>>31480387
Any gun you can retrofit with ammunition that's firing mechanism is based on multi-stage compounds instead of air-fuel mixture that could fit in it normally. Not sure what Mars' atmospheric makeup or density of gravity vs Earth's is but it's 100% doable.

Congrats now all the poorfags on the Mars colony can shitpost about their space nuggets and salty wehraboos get BTFOd

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>>31484815
>>31485068
>>31481414

>Full auto's would melt themselves pretty quick.
>The weapon would need to be heavy
>yet can be easily toted in low Martian gravity

All I'm hearing is handheld miniguns are ideal weapons for Mars.

>>31485191
lots of recoil and heat generation and next impossible to cool practically without adding at least 20 lbs to the unit.

>>31485241
>heat generation
That's why you have multiple barrels.

>recoil
You don't need to make it fire any faster than a standard LMG

You also have to factor in that the surface is covered in iron oxide. Thats why mars is red. I know its not exactly chemically the same as rust but hitting a duststorm would be sketch.

>>31485044
shhhhhhh the space magic will prevent cook offs

>>31485277
Agreed

>>31484172
I dont know about that mang

Same was said about the Russians and the Chinese 50 years ago.

Also, India is lined up to join the SCO next year WITH PAKISTAN.

Strange world

>>31485389
after both of them having a conflict with each other for centuries? This is very strange indeed...

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>>31480387
Ask the French

>>31485467
Pakistan hasn't even existed for a century.

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>>31485488

>>31485389
I'm not sure anon, India still harbors some butthurt towards China, and they definitely still hate pakistan.

As for the SCO I'm not sure what it means, maybe it's posturing, maybe China offered them something nice. Idk.

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>>31481238
who is the only country with a flag on another planet, europoor?
....yeah, thats what I thought.

>>31485068
Would battle rifles be viable?

>>31481420
In point of fact EVA suits already are reinforced with Kevlar to protect against micrometeoroids

>>31485586
Would it stop a bullet though? They're totally different compositions and velocities. Whipple shields stop micrometeoroids but would do jack shit against a rifle round.

Definitely would stop a .22 but a 9mm or bigger?

>>31485555
Quads of truth. Plus, we have landed 7 successful robots onto Mars and nobody else has managed one; we've also run every successful Mars orbiter save the one Indian mission. Russia can have Venus, Mars is ours.

>>31485785
>every successful Mars orbiter save the one Indian mission
>What is Mars 2 and 3 as well as Mars Express?

We are king of space travel, and with almost every relevant private company being here, we'll stay that way. We have no need to lie.

>>31484942
Get out genestealer. Your new trucks belong not on Mars

>>31485562
the SCAR might work bretty gud actually

>>31485956
My apologies, I am dumb and my memory is poor. I wasn't intending to lie.

>>31481420
You heard wrong. What was said was "20mm GAU-8 autocannons."

>>31485158
Mars is generally cold as fuck, and has a sizable atmosphere, so the heat generation is generally not a problem, unless your gun freezes over

>>31486393
Daddy yes

>>31480387
> Assault or Battle Rifle
I personally think battle rifle, seeing as on a planet with even less gravity than earth (~30 percent), trying to short more than one or two shots in quick succession would be quite difficult

>>31486402
Heat dissipation via convection/conduction to the atmosphere will be something like 1% as effective on Mars - two OoM.

Even if you left your rifles outside of your habitat or vehicle to cool down to the absolute lowest (120K or ~-240F) you still would heat up quickly once you actually began firing. Simply not enough to allow for traditional MG fire rates.

>>31480387
Haven't been through the whole thread, bit I love this sort of near-fi stuff. Consider that weapons need roles and roles are partially dictates by what they will be shooting at and why. The enemy's armor will dictate a lot of long range decisions. Mars has about 1/6th gravity of Earth, and negligible armospheric resistance, so standard rounds can be guessed at increased range and energy retention. Math fags could probably give an accurate model for ballistic drop on Mars. Second, what armor are you trying to penetrate? Lighter gravity means an enemy can wear much more stout armor, however, so armor is vulnerable to fragments and shrapnel. Flechettes migjt be better than slugs within a certain distance for shredding protective suits, but is that enough to stop an assault or merely slowly kill the attackers over time?

>>31486997
Armour still has the same inertia, even if it's weight is decreased There's a limit on how much you can effectively wear without it pulling your legs out from under you whenever you turn at speed, and fighting that inertia will still be exhausting long term. Just space suits themselves are pretty exhausting to wear apparently.

And you still have to survive it slowing down whatever hits you. The energy is still transferred to you - even if your plate somehow stops a 120mm from a Space Abrams, you are still dead

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First, we get the Buzzaldrins off her back.

>>31487099
Good points. Spacesuits suited for Mars may be drastically different than our LEO suits tho, as temperature and radiation are different. Realistically, troops would be inside IFVs or carriers of some sort until just prior to engagement, right? Which brings up the question what would recon and raiding assets look like for exowarfare.

Limit exposure time and also limit exhaustion and cut down on needs for environmental protection. I would personally assume some exoskeleton support since we're close to that tech now.

Going further OT, how would forces be deployed on Mars? I imagine the environment would dictate lowering surface time outside of vehicles as much as possible. This means static defenses are best designed to target and destroy vehicles, but we all know the issues with static defenses. Of defenses are designes to track vehicles, would this possibly push use of infantry leading assaults as they are harder to target? Since collateral damage is much more dangerous to your own facilities, would close in defense likely use infantry and ground drones to mop up enemies within close proximity to facilities? Also, because of the resource scarcity, I can imagine that capturing facilities intact would become more important than simply razing them. Due to lack of atmosphere, would EMP and radiation based weapons find renewed effectiveness?

>>31487303
>Which brings up the question what would recon and raiding assets look like for exowarfare.

Atmospheres way to thin for aircraft, so you're stuck with ground pounders, rockets or satellites. And its already pretty easy to shoot down satellites with missiles on Earth, even easier on Low Grav Low Drag Mars.

Raiding would have to be done with mechanized infantry. No other way to do that I can think of.

>>31487337
With no aircraft, and easy kills of expensive space systems you're stuck with a mix of WW1 Trench Warfare and Modern Mechanized Warfare.

Artillery is again undisputed King of the battlefield with ultra long range and no competing aircraft, and defensive positions become much more tenable when you can't fly troops over them in helicopters. You still need to use them properly - coupled with maneuverable forces, not just sit in them. Also holding certain features and structures is again important.

But like modern warfare, you're still highly mobile, tanks are just as dangerous, communications are reliable. etc.

Also weird is the difference between the two battlefields outside and inside - you go from ultra wide plains and terrains to cramped, urban environments where you can't fit vehicles. Poking holes in structures isn't that big a deal - they leak pretty slowly compared to their total volume.

>>31487303
>Which brings up the question what would recon and raiding assets look like for exowarfare.

Atmospheres way to thin for aircraft, so you're stuck with ground pounders, rockets or satellites. And its already pretty easy to shoot down satellites with missiles on Earth, even easier on Low Grav Low Drag Mars.

Raiding would have to be done with mechanized infantry. No other way to do that I can think of.

>>31487337
With no aircraft, and easy kills of expensive space systems you're stuck with a mix of WW1 Trench Warfare and Modern Mechanized Warfare.

Artillery is again undisputed King of the battlefield with ultra long range and no competing aircraft, and defensive positions become much more tenable when you can't fly troops over them in helicopters. You still need to use them properly - coupled with maneuverable forces, not just sit in them. Also holding certain features and structures is again important.

But like modern warfare, you're still highly mobile, tanks are just as dangerous, communications are reliable. etc.

Also weird is the difference between the two battlefields outside and inside - you go from ultra wide plains and terrains to cramped, urban environments where you can't fit vehicles. Poking holes in structures isn't that big a deal - they leak pretty slowly compared to their total volume.

>>31487497
>>31487468

Fuck. Stupid shitty internet. Said it didn't post.

>>31487337
If we assume initial habitats are domed population centers, then any combat inside the domes would need to be tightly controlled.

The last thing everyone needs is a stray round potentially making a hole in the dome and depressurizing the area.

>>31480744
I don't think those are very common though.

>>31481931
>American Revolution 2: Electric Space Boogaloo

A war on mars would be a fucking bloodbath, but it would be epic as hell.

>>31487508
Not sure you should assume that - volcanic tubes and caves are there, and there are advantages to underground living. Even then, there should be redundancy and preferably solid building materials like metals or concrete - Mars gets hit with meteors all the time, and there are vehicles and people working around the outside. You don't want to kill an entire city because Jim had a few to many and drove the forklift into the wall.

But that said, if you're defending a habitat you should have control of its life support. Wait until they take off their suits and vent the area they're in. Or if possible, pressurize and store oxygen while the populace goes into safe areas or suits up. Or lock down all the doors to restrict losses - the holes from a pullet takes a long. Or any combination of the above.

As long as you have time to prepare it's not that big a deal - it takes a long time to vent atmosphere through a bullet hole in a large space.

>>31481414
Has anyone ever tested a space suit against common hand gun and rifle rounds?
Would be a YouTube I'd like to sre

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>>31480498
nice meme

>>31487497
Not all of Mars is flat plains most of it is mountainous and hill, like if I'd have to say Italy.
I'd imagine Mars warfare would be like the Italian campaign of ww2 minus the naval component.

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Your fists.

>go to space
>expect a fight in space
>don't practice orbital bombardment

Like nigga just drop rocks on them, you're traveling at orbital speed.

>>31488367
At some point you're gonna need boots on the ground

>>31480614
Definitely buttblasted. He's been making false flag shitposts for a few days now.

>>31488373
Yes, after everyone on the ground has been liquified.

>>31485555
None.
The moon isn't a planet, you stupid American.

>>31488393
Yes, just like the naval bombardment liquefied all those Japanese in underground bunkers on the island hopping campaign.

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>>31488403

You all guys are fucking nerds. Arguing about useless shit.

1) Bull-pup design
2) Fullsize barrel
3) Sturdy/rugged design
4) Baseless ammunition
5) Bayonet lug
6) Select Fire
7) Low Maintenance

>>31488440
>Bull-pup design
literally why?

>>31488367
>you're traveling at orbital speed.

That's part of the problem.

First you must find a good rock and haul it back into orbit. That's probably a very, very long journey.

Then once in orbit, you have orbital speed. As does the rock. You must slow that sucker down or it will just stay in orbit. Simply dropping something doesn't work up there, everything is already in freefall.

Then your rock needs to be aimed somewhat. It's probably irregular in shape, and might break up a bit on the way down. And since you had to haul the fucking thing back from the asteroid belt or something, it probably isn't all that big.

Or you could just use a nuke.

>>31488367

>>31488486 is right asteroid capture ain't easy. and you need to attach retro rockets which are super expensive to send it out of orbit into the planet.

however while orbit bombardment is hard. Extra orbit bombardment is much easier all you need is math. you can use almost anything large enough to drop and not burn in atmo, even condensed battle fleet waste

>>31488338
Not unless they did it for testing the ITMG. But damn do I wanna know what the equivalent NIJ rating is.

>>31488363
Most of the Northern Hemisphere is pretty flat minus craters - used to be an ocean. Also where we land most of our missions so presumably that will be where you'd be fighting. Still you're right that its not featureless, but still terrain that tanks could get through or circumvent easily, not like forests on Earth.

>>31488367
Ortillery is not as effective as you suppose. For one, they can see you coming and move. They, unlike someone in space can also dig in, in caverns or deep volcanic tubes etc. So unless you're willing to use a Planet Killer, its not that effective.

If you ARE willing to use a Planet Killer why are you even fighting?

Also huge delta V requirements - either delta v could be better spent sending nukes from Earth, or we've developed casual space travel and achieved a level of tech that would make arguing over Mars War about as relevant as Greek Hoplites discussing Mechanized Warfare.

>>31488484
>>Bull-pup design
>literally why?

1) Tight corridors and spaces inside domes
2) Armored opponents by default
3) Barrel Length keeps it relevant outside where you can shoot almost to the horizon with 5.56.

Caseless ammo is the bad one as this anon explains >>31485044

>>31480469
The horizon is much shorter on Mars because it is a much smaller planet. Gravity is lower so there is less bullet drop.

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>>31483044
Guy who Suggested p90 here

Its pretty easy to service actually and its a simple design

There is also a dust cover on the bottom which moves to eject a round and then closes again. Invaluable with martian dust

The heat dissipation problem can be controlled by only using it in semi automatic mode.

I'm not sure how vacuum welding effects things on mars but I'm sure a p90 variant could be made with the various materials that do not fuse together.

>notes on mars combat operations

I find that it is unlikely that two countries mars colony's would attack each other if for no other reason than retaliation on earth. A colony declaring its independence seems very unlikely. And unlikely that it would survive on its own unless mars had been teraformed.


A more likely although hypothetical scenario is that private space enterprises kick into high gear and stake out claims on mars.

Lacking the ability to directly effect their competitors on earth. Unscrupulous company's could send up "security" personnel who's job is to protect their dome/habitat while occasionally attacking the other company's dome/habitat with discretion and secrecy.

The win scenario for that situation is just cause enough damage to effect the profit margins on the other company so they stop the venture or go bankrupt on earth.

>>31481893
SUPERPOWER BY 2020

>>31488658
>2) Armored opponents by default

TIL bull-pups peirce armour

>>31488685
No, they let you have longer barrel lengths without being as unwieldy in tight spaces. Which lets you get higher muzzle velocities, which helps pierce armor.

Without bullpup you either have a long rifle in tight buildings, building that'll be tighter than Earth due to the cost of living space, or you lose muzzle velocity and make it harder to pierce armor.

Hence why I listed "tight spaces" first.

>>31481893
>India

damn, to propel themselves all the way to Mars, they must have been really backed up

>>31487518
Nigger, do you have any idea how many bolt action rifles are built on a mauser action?

I'll give you a hint, it's the vast majority. This includes current production rifles.

>>31488679
If vacuum welding only happens with metals that are the same, why can't you just lube it or cerakote it?

>>31488773
I think you can. However I just brought up the different coating/materials because alot of people were talking about that problem earlier in the thread.

Im not 100% sure how vacuum welding effects things on mars desu

>>31488386
you guys think that but its actually just typical AR-15 zealot responses

Winchester lever action.

>>31485068
Actually, while you're partially right, honestly the weight would automatically be increased by the fact that a coolant system would be required for every SAW and possibly plain old rifle we would use.

The coolant system could easily be worked into the suits heating system though, and the rifle would probably be easily fitted with a coolant system not unlike a maxim.

>>31488679
Honestly this seems like one of the best possible ideas (retrofitted with a cooling system of course)

Also, what's the viability of going back to finned barrels to obtain the necessary heat radiation?

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>there are people on the interplanetary net right now that have sided with the free colonist league

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>there hasn't been a single human that's ever been to mars
>/k/ is already discussing how to kill them

>>31484938
would that be enough to do targeted volleys with the gun though?

Drill tank.
DULCE BASE
nuff said

>>31480387

What most people don't understand is that the atmospheric pressure on Mars is like 1% of ours. Dust being kicked up wouldn't be a massive deal, there simply isn't enough air mass to cause big movie-style dust storms out of nowhere.

Since gravity is lower and wind resistance is almost nil, you can see and shoot much further more accurately. The temperature is cold, but not outside the acceptable spectrum for most modern firearms if properly winterized.

Honestly, I would want something with a long range and flat trajectory, and since puncturing a suit means almost certain death, not to mention the bodily damage the bullet does, you don't need big bullets.

I'd take something like a RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor

Maybe an AR platform, but definitely something chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor.

>>31481636
great. now I want to shoot gooks on mars with a p90. born too late to explore the earth, born too early to shoot gooks on mars

>>31488440
steyr aug?

>>31487518
>CZ550
>Zastava M48
Do I have to go on?

>>31489550
why not? i'm down for non-stop warfare.

I hope you fuckers are factoring in that electrostatic dust that sticks to everything and would jam automatics constantly.

By the time we get soldiers to mars, will we have lightsabers? if so thats the best weapon for mars. not bait, I just think it'll be a while before we get to the red planet, so maybe by then we would have lightsabers.