Durr Riffle

With good shot placement, a good .223 hollow/ soft point is all you need. I like Nosler ballistic tips, they seem to work better than Hornaday's in my experience.

I prefer something a bit heavier, myself, but as long as you can place a shot behind the front shoulder and through (hopefully) both lungs, you should be ok.

30-30, or as we call it, fuddy-fuddy.

>>31470062

.243 win is a minimum really to be certain, but .308 is good all around hunting caliber, your cartridge choice is up to you. .308 winchester is okay, .30-06 is better as it can toss heavier projectiles. The winmags are overkill for deer.

>>31470062
>South east OK
Shit man im in Moore.
And by what youre saying i'ed just get a bow

>>31470186
.308 is basically the best.

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If you're not taking shots further than 200 yards a .30-30 might not be a bad option.

They also have stainless steel all weather models.

>>31470216
Would you go with irons with a levergun?

>>31470148
So an AR with a 9x scope sighted for 100 yds would be acceptable? I feel like the Fuddlore about .223 not being an effective deer round is my hangup. Would 5.56 be any better?

>>31470216
Is the brass terrible for wet conditions?

>>31470197
Can you elaborate?

Anyone have any hangups about .270 or .243?

>>31470328
I've taken quite a few deer with my 94 Winchester and it doesn't have a scope but some of these were really fucking close shots we're talking 50-100 yards for a couple of them.

But it doesn't matter because the Henry rifles come drilled and tapped ready for you to mount a scope to them. Marlins are getting better but they're not back yet, not like they were at least but its much better.

>>31470148
>>31470398
Keep in mind you cant hunt deer with anything .22 caliber, to include .223. At least where im from.
>muh poaching

>>31470398
I feel that's acceptable where i hunt, yes. Shot placement is key, not necessarily caliber. I will still recommend getting a good soft point or ballistic tip round, they expand well in thin-skinned game like deer and the like.

You wouldn't need the scope all the way up to 9x, but a 3-9x scope would be entirely acceptable as it is. 100 yard zero, or even 75 would be great, just aim a touch higher on the shoulder if they're farther out.

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>>31470428
How wet are we talking? If its really inclimate weather I'd go with the all weather model which is actually chrome plated not stainless I was mistaken OR an OLDER marlin like pic related except in .30-30, .45-70 really isn't necessary for most deer I've seen.

>>31470062
Buy a milsurp bolt. Any will do. Make the Queen proud again and drop white tail with .303. Goosestep after Bambi filling him full of 8mm. Get a stiffy every time you ping with .30-06

>>31470428
I actually really like .270. I like it more every time I shoot it. Very easy to shoot, flat trajectory, fast moving, low recoil. Plenty of power for deer. Good for all kinds of stuff, really.

>>31470574

What happens if you try to hunt with a MAS? The deer rapes you to death?

>>31470681
You have to go back to camp and tell everyone else to kill it for you.

Really you can hunt a deer with anything. The way I see it, using a beefier round is to increase the odds of a quicker kill therefore better meat. I'm on the phone right now trying to get my student loan. I want to pay my rent, get that education, and if I get it first stop is LGS for a 45-70 cuz I need some FREEZE JAMMED HARD WITH LONG RAW MEAT. Happy hunting anon fuck oklahoma tho, stay the fuck on your side of the border.

>>31470062
7.62x54R

>>31470738
No joke, the Silver Bear ammo is great for it, especially the soft points.

>>31470738
This, you must also have bayonet fixed the whole time.

>>31470738
I said I want to kill a deer at under 200 yards, not set it on fire and bayonet charge it for the kill.

M855 out of a 16 inch barrel will not reliably put a deer down humanely. I shot a deer in the lungs, and had to track it down over a mile. To where it had run into a crevasse and snapped its neck on the fall.

>>31470738
So RPK or SVD?

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>>31470775
>shot it in the lungs
Well there's your problem

>>31470818
Truth, head shot deer is dead deer.

>>31470775

So 5.56 only encourages deer to commit suicide, just like our veterans.

Badump tsssss

>>31470398
If you're actually in SE Oklahoma, and south of the timberline, be more prepared to shoot from 10-50 yards than 100+

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>>31470471
Picked up a Marlin 336w a fortnight back, can confirm drilled and tapped for scopes

>>31470062
check local laws. here its not legal to hunt bambi with a rifle. shotgun with deer slugs required.

>>31470398
Yes.

Killing animals is more about the bullet than the headstamp, and a good 0.224" bullet will kill them fine when hitting vitals at 223 Rem velocities. 5.56 adds nothing to the equation because, as above, it is about bullets.

So pick a good 0.224" killing bullet (62 TSX is the King). I hunt in Uglyhoma and they spec a minimum 55 grain bullet so stay above that.

>>31470186
No. We kill quadrupeds of all sorts here in AK with 'less'

>>31470197
Not even close.

>>31470428
270 is long actions and this pointless. 243 Win is spectacular.

>>31470574
Are you a Texan?

>>31470775
Probably everything is hard for stupid people.

>>31470768
>People in this thread are unironically suggesting .45-70 for deer hunting
>hurr slavshit 30-06 2stronk

>>31470062
OP where at in southeast Ok.
i have 40ish acres that i hunt deer on, theres a heard of deer that live there, i just use my AK or mauser, its all about shot placement.

>>31470768
on the bright side...it will already be cooked by the time you deliver the killing blow with glorious bayonet. Less time spent in the field and more time spent drinking vodka around a deer campfire

>>31470062
How much does a deer lease cost in OK?
How big is the property?
How many tags?

>>31470062
Wally-world often has good deals on cheap synthetic stock bolt actions, like <$300. .243 is a necked down .308, .270 necked down .30-06. If your state allows it, at your ranges .223 with appropriate hunting ammo will do fine, shot placement is key. .223/5.56, .243, .270, .308, .30-06, and .30-30 are all fine. .308 and .30-06 are just going to be a little better if you hunt elsewhere and want to take larger game in the future. Here in KS its pretty much always a fudd-fight between .270 and .30-06, .30-06 is just a little better than .308 for throwing heavier slugs and is a little more ammo panic-proof. I go with .30-06 because it can literally take any large game in north america. Nothing really wrong with any of those calibers, they all have their role. .243 is great and i know lots of hunters who prefer it, some dick-wavers just consider it 'babbys first deer round'

>>31470952
Well it was supposed to be a heart shot. Just an inch in the wrong direction and into the lungs.

>>31470952
Close, Louisianian. Like Texas Lite, with a robust Tabasco and disappointment flavor.

>>31471229
Break shoulder next time.

When you break them they don't run, because they can't.

>>31471259
Pegged you for an idealogical twin of the Texan lawyer who shot up his neighborhood while wearing Nazi gear.

>>31470775
M855 is milsurp ammo good for plinking, but anything with a full metal jacket is less than ideal for game. Soft nose, hollowpoint or polymer tip are all made to expand instead of punch a tiny hole through the animal.

In the sub-.30 cal area things like .270, .25-'06, 6mm-06, .243, etc all will effectively kill deer- you just have to hit them in the right spot. A guy I know hit a deer with a .270 in the neck at a measured 400 yards and the bullet pulverized the vertebrae, and pieces of the vertebrae and bullet exited downward between the deer's legs, taking most of the heart out on the way. DRT.

If I had to start all over again I'd probably buy a .243. Yeah, it's a barrel-burner, but it'd be a bit lighter than my '06 and recoil way less.

If I was stupid wealthy I'd have a custom 6mm-'06 built. That's an impressive round.

>>31470062
7mm Remington magnum. Decent affordability, good power, and mild recoil. Odds are you can find a Remington 700-something with a scope brand new fairly cheap. <$700

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>>31470062
SKS/AK/VZ and Barnes TSX bullets

>>31470574
Thou dare to poach the queens deer?

when we goin to krebs boys? im buying

>>31470818
>>31470832

Shooting deer in the head is dumb. A near miss of your 3"x3" is a wound that may not be fatal for days.

.243 and up is good for deer. I consider .223 a little light, but shot placement counts more than anything. If you consider hunting more than the occasional whitetail you should consider a .30-06. It'll put down almost any North American game animal. Wide selection of loads and bullet weights is also a major plus.

any thoughts on these browning lever guns? never heard of them, they make them in pretty much all hunting calibers, 308, 30-06, 243, 270, the 300 win mag one is giving me a bit of a boner.

http://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/blr/current-production/blr-lightweight-with-pistol-grip.html

also starting to wonder if i want a 30-30 over a 45/70, thanks /k/ u fucks. im not scared of recoil or big bore and i love cowboy guns but 30-30 looks like it might be a better shooter. i like some power though.

>>31472482
The BLR series has been around forever- but they are really light and accurate. They're essentially a rotary bolt that's actuated by a lever.

have you seen they make takedown versions now?

>>31470062
Marlin X7 .308.
Best rifle for almost nothing. I bought one on a whim and it is absolutely amazing in every way.

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Baikal 45-70 double rifle

>>31470062

I'd go with .223 in a nice bonded bullet, like Nosler, Federal Fusion, or even Speer (now in 75gr).

Or, if you're a bit nervous about them running to far from a .223, you could just get a 6.8 upper and still get to use the trigger you're already used to on your AR.

I'd say go with the cheaper option and just use .223.

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Ausfag here, My favourite round is by far .243...
It's extremely versatile, I've downed pigs, goats, deer, wild dogs, cats- pretty much everything and usually it's an instant kill.
I use Federal 100gr. Personally but you can get away with 80gr if you like a flatter trajectory. I use a Tikka T3 SuperVarmint with a heavy barrel so I dont have to worry about that.

The only problem is that it struggles on Red Deer or Sambar(though I doubt you have deer that big in the states), and the big boars up north just shrug it off.

Pic related is my .243 and my rem 7600 police special in .308 that I use to punch porkers on my quad.

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How about be a real man and get a Hoyt Compound Bow. Got this lil guy 2nd day of season already this year

>>31473049

Do you guys get the Barnes copper bullets down there? I've heard good stories about those pushing through hog shoulders, although the wound channels may not be the best.

>>31472790
oh thats pretty sex. the takedown version would be great for a backup hunting gun, emergency supplies (BOB/INCHB), or if you had it in 300 win mag something to pull out of nowhere when you absolutely need to fuckin blow something away.

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>>31473276
Probably but it was my first gun when I got my licence at 18 and all I've ever shot out of it was Federal 80/100gr so I never really shopped around- Especially since it's my main precision rifle and I like to be comfortable and on point.

My .308 on the other hand, I have mags loaded with hollow points, 135gr ballistic tips (they're nickel coated too so they look cool) 150gr soft tips, Even tried some surplus 7.62 FMJ's that a mate of a mate had from before I was born... they were shit.

Generally anything too big for my .243 I'll get close and hit it with my open sights Enfield, never fails and I'm a fair shot up to 75m.
Having said that, anything too big for a .243 is a large target up to 100m anyway.

>pic related

>>31473149
>real man
>compound bow
English Longbow or nothing skrub

>>31470984
>I don't realize a joke when I see one

>>31473510
i agree with this man, get yourself a 60 pound pull minimum

>>31472199
Terrible fucking shot detected

Just to throw more shit on the shit heap of milsurp, 8mm Mauser will do just fine. It's in the neighborhood of 30-06...

Commercial hunting loads are pretty neutered due to concerns of people putting 8mm in weak guns (still plenty good for deer) but handloading opens up all kinds of possibilities. I've seen loads for 8mm pushing 200gr bullets around 2500 FPS in my manuals.

>>31470869
What's with the Paracord on the lever?

>>31470062
Use a Mosin nagant.

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>>31470062
I use a 50cal muzzle loader myself.
Out of all the guns I own, it's the one I'd least want to be shot with. Fast, and near 100cal expansion.

>>31470062
Anything.
Small, if you're hunting for the meat.
Whatever you want/large if you're just doing pest control.

Which is what they are, pests.

t. northern michigander

>>31475042
Not him, but it's for keeping the back of your hand from turning in to hamburger from repeatedly working the lever. Did the same thing to my Marlin.22 lever action.

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>>31470062
Picture related, not mine, but it's what I use. Taurus .357 lever action. Feeds 38's better. Either way, it's a deer slaying machine. And super fun to shoot.

>>31477411
Taurus/Rossi whatever. Hickok did a good video on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAfhOcL8QVY

>>31472890
Link?

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>>31477477
https://www.google.com/search?q=baikal+45%2F70+double+rifle&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Get some lead free .223. Always penetrates, always expands, uses your existing rifle. Looking at OK regulations it appears that .223 is legal for deer so long as the bullet is 55 grains or heavier.

>>31471229
>>31471296
depends on what your shooting and how good of a shot you can get. something high powered or with deep penetration will go through both shoulder blades and if it doesnt actually hit the spine the shock from the bullet and the reaction of the deer will snap the spine. if you are going for the lungs you want expansion, dont poke a hole in the lungs fuckin hamburger them.
>>31472199
>>31473779
shooting a deer in the head is retarded you are just gonna blow its jaw off and its gonna run 10 miles. their brains are the size of a couple walnuts and if you miss youre fucked. if a deer walks right up to you by all means blow its brain right off and immediately gut it, meat will be extra tasty.

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>>31477411
>taurus .357
>deer slaying machine

>>31470062

.270 win

It'll kill anything within 300 yards.

Can I hunt deer with my old .38-40 winchester relic?

>>31470428
I've had no problems with a .243 however a .270 is the best deer round going in my opinion. Anything more than a 100 grain is great for stopping a deer. You see fudds with .300 magnums and shit for deer but it's overkill as fuck. If you can shoot okay meaning a 2" group or better at 100 yards you don't need a giant round. .308 is the biggest I'd go for deer anon.

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>>31478048

When is .300 win mag appropriate for a durr?

>>31470062
If you have a straight shooting nagant itll work fine.

>>31470062
Fuck it. Savage Hog Hunter in .308. Awesome accuracy, iron sights if you don't want to use optics, relatively shortish barrel for maneuvering through brush, and it has such a strong aftermarket you can tacticool it to your hearts contents afterwards. Last I checked they were like... $400?

>>31478103

I'm curious too. I'd like to purchase a 300wm for hunting deer, and have the option to move to other game easily with the same rifle.

I also like the bullet trajectory - very linear

>>31470428
>Anyone have any hangups about .270 or .243?

I recommended a .308 for OPs purposes, but .270 is my absolute favorite hunting round. Jack O'Connor (and a whole lot of other writers) has written endlessly on the merits of the round, and it has never left me wanting for more either.

>>31478103
>>31478494
When the durr in question is a moose or elk in my opinion.

>>31470496
>at least where I'm from
Well sux to be u I guess, because all the centerfire .22's (including .223/5.56) are legal in 42 states. That leaves only 6 that specifically ban .22cal rifles and 2 that are shotgun-slug only.

>>31470062
If you have an AR, AK with a side rail, or PSL/VEPR you're gtg. Just buy quality softpoint ammo (IE, nothing bimetal). Yes, a quality 55gr+ softpoint in .223/5.56 is plenty lethal on deer out to around 200m.

>>31470398
.223 is fine for most deer with a good bullet.

However, the
>with a good bullet
part is fucking critical regardless of caliber. A 55gr GMX from a Hornady Superformance .223 is going to be more lethal than a Wolf bimetal """"softpoint"""" in .300wm because it'll actually expand. Unlike the bimetal """"softpoint""""

>>31470747
>bimetal jacket
>""""soft points""""
You do know that gel tests have proven those neither expand nor tumble, right? And that they're literally the single worst thing you could shoot a living creature with, right?

>>31470496

It's legal in my state.

>>31470062

Your AR can do the job, but if you want something heftier, a Savage or something shouldn't break 280 boners, especially used and a Bushnell isn't much.

>>31471296
>they don't run, because they can't
While this is true, they can damn sure scoot themselves along on their chests at a pretty good clip for several miles.

Ask me how I know this.
>at least it was super easy to track

>>31479596
Had a hearty kek at the thought of some anon cussing in his stand because his trophy is lawnmowing itself away at mach speeds.

Adrenaline can be a cold bitch.

>>31479596

I line up at least broken leg, try and get most of the heart and always punch lungs. They either drop or turn into lumpy retard fur demons.

>>31479641
That's pretty accurate :)
>first day of alt-methods season
>using Contender in 7mm T/CU (.223 necked up to 7mm and given the Ackley 40* shoulder)
>big fat doe comes by
>shoot her through the shoulders at all of 30 yards
>break both shoulders, drops on the spot, can see the growing pool of blood from the stand
>halfway down treestand hear grunting
>turn around to see big fat doe scooting along at what'd be a good long-distance running pace for a college track runner (12, 13mph)
>between being halfway down a ladder stand and having my single-shot, scoped pistol holstered, exactly zero chance of an anchoring shot
>she literally plowed a blood-soaked furrow in the ground, super easy to follow
>and follow
>and follow
>holy shit how far can she go? I'm 100% positive that was a double-lung+aorta hit
>approximately 2 miles later find her gassed out in a clump of tree roots
>one field dressing later, it was indeed a double-lung+aorta hit
She plowed herself along for about 2 miles with no circulation or lungs after getting back up from a hit hard enough to take her down the first time.

Deer are fucking weird sometimes.

>>31479536
Ohio doesn't ban .22cal specifically and it isn't shotgun only either.

>>31479703

I shot a deer once from an extremely elevated blind on about a 125 yard shot, misjudged my elevation and cut her lungs up, broke a rib on the exit.

She turned a solid flip, laid there until I was halfway to her, then sprinted into a bramble hell for the worst drag I've ever had.

>>31479741
I had one where I just simply misjudged the range and blew the near-side front leg completely off just above the elbow. Deer was DRT.

And my first-ever buck I took with a shotgun slug (12ga Brenneke Classic Magnum) at about 60 yards. Perfect double-lung+heart shot, deer even did the classic hunch-at-shoulders thing most do when heart-shot, then proceeded to calmly walk away for another 800 yards before laying down and dying.

Sometimes what kills a deer shouldn't, and sometimes they live entirely too long with no heart/lungs.

>>31479811

I've tracked them a mile, mile and a half and me picking up chunks of their innards the whole way.

All creatures have this duality. Sometimes a little tiny thing can be the undoing and sometimes massive amounts of punishment can be taken in stride.

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>>31479869

>>31473149
>compound bow

Dude, you still pulled a trigger.

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>>31479916
that pigeon would not be alive if I shot it

>>31479916

Sumbitch used the wrong darts and could have been better off with a damn Powerline 88.

>>31479943

This man answers to no human or gods.

>>31480191
it was probably a teenager with a chinkshit blowgun off amazon. It happened in NYC.

>>31480249

No doubt in my mind, who else?

>>31470062
get a single shot in 7mm-08 Rem.

fudd mountain has them for 300 dollars

>>31470398

9x is a bit much

I usually go with 4x

>>31473779

Non hunter or filthy casual detected. Leaning towards no guns as well

Literally no one recommends head shots. It's unreliable, has disastrous results with only slight error, and destroys the skull, which is worth keeping especially for a new hunter.

>>31478103

Short answer: bigger animals at longer ranges.

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>>31479641
>his trophy is lawnmowing itself away at mach speeds.

>>31480985
Learn to hunt you fat fucking slob.

If you can't stalk to within bowshot range get your fat ass off of your stand and learn to actually hunt.

If you can't reliably kill a deer with a head/neck shot from bowshot range then learn to fucking shoot.

Just learn in general. Head shots are fine. I've taken 23 blacktail with head shots and ruined 0 lbs of good shoulder meat. Some of us actually hunt to eat. Not all of us take potshots at fat whitetails from 400 yards out because we don't have the skill to get closer.

>>31480985

Don't know about nobody recommending them. Some people here use varming loads in .308 at closer ranges.

Take what you hear on the internet with a grain of salt though. Everyone brags about the ones they got, but nobody likes talking about the ones that got away.

>>31481206
Yeah, definitely nogunz and probably a vegan troll.

Why do they even put computers in the Special Ed room anyway?

>>31481206
>hunts to eat
>doesn't take what shot he can
You may only choose a single option

>>31471489
bonus points if you use the bayonet

>>31481206

I've hunted stalk, stand, dogs, spot-and-stalk, you name it.

I have no qualms about enjoying a cup of coffee and then blasting Bambi off to hell at 400 yards.

Gearing a hunt towards your advantage is just evolution. Notice that the farther we come in history, the easier hunting gets in said history? The ecstatic flannel-clad 8 y/o bouncing a 30-30 through a nice buck from a space between hay bales is something that only came about in relatively recent history, a far-cry from roving, bounding horse and dog hunts with a long-bow not so many years before in our timeline.

Evolution, my dude. The concept of 'sporting' is fag shit always spoken by those who favor the outdated.

7.62x54r

Giggle brand Diggle in .45 man size

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>>31481206
I intend on taking the same approach for bagging meat. Which caliber have you come to prefer in neck/head shot situtations?

>>31470797
>RPK
>hurr durr I don't know the different between x54R and x39

>>31470931
And you live in Jew York?
>PA fag here.

.223 is looked down on and semi-hunting is illegal.

No AR fanboys in my Goddamn woods.

>>31470984
>30-06
>slavshit

U wot m8

>>31482920
> lacking reading comprehension
x54r is equivalent to 30-06, but it is slav shit
thus /slavshit 30-06/

>>31482986
so you think .30-06 is excessive for deer?

>>31471451
This is what I use for durr. It's honestly more cartridge than needed for nearly all whitetail hunting, but there's no kill like overkill.

Many good calibers, including your tacticool shit if local regs allow. 7.63x39 is fine for the range you're talking about as is .223 with good shot placement\ bullets. If you have a shotgun that can hold a decent group with slugs, no reason not to go that way.

If you want to blend with the fudds hop on armslist and grab a beat up Marlin\glenfield 336 or whatever.

In new cheapshit that isn't shit, the Savage Axis or a Stevens 200 is probably the best at the lowest tier. Hard to pick a bad caliber, but .243, 7mm-08 and .270 would be the "best" for deer. Go ahead and go .308 or 30-06 if you may shoot at something larger.