CZ thread

>>31469622
I like the B model for the bevel on the front.

Though some day I'd like to put a spur hammer on a SP01 just because.

All of them can have 17rd magazines by the way.

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My favorite that I own

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Steel? 85b because I'm derp-handed

I'd probably go P-07 for a polymer

old pre-b models for maximum aesthetic

i want to get the stainless steel version

i like the cz 75 bd because i like decockers

tl;dr get any cz they're all great

>>31469903
Yeah, I am looking to buy an all steel gun

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>>31469622
I love the Dan Wesson CZ models.

>>31469969
I would reccomend a CZ 75B
if you want the decocker model, get the CZ 75BD
if you're willing to sacrifice money and weight for a stainless steel version, they have one of those too.
if you don't like the trigger, get a CZ 75B in SAO
if you've never shot one, go to a range that rents them.

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>>31470078
Ok, I think the 75B sounds like what I want. I'm not too interested in ambi safety or mag release or decocker.

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>>31469930
>i want to get the stainless steel version
They don't come in real steel according to the website

>>31470201
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-b-9mm-matte-stainless-16-rd-mags/

???

>>31469622

you should buy a Tanfoglio

>>31470201

>being autistic enough to shop that

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Get a P01. Alloy frame, so it's lighter, it's small enough to carry, but big enough to get a full grip on it.

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I love my sp-01. I guess it depends on what you want to use it for? Carry, range, competition, all of the above?

I have a P-09 FDE, its pretty sweet, would recomend

>>31470279
>5 seconds in Mspaint is photoshop
Okay

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My bedside gun. I should really take a better pic, but eh.

>>31470266
After market options for cz are better and tanfo's are now more expensive than most of their cz counterparts. I like tanfoglios but long term I think cz is a better investment.

>went to gun store to handle a CZ
>too heavy for me even without the magazine

who here manlet

i guess im destined to fall for the glock meme

>>31470401
Tanfos can get better triggers these days.

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>>31469622
p01 omega
because:
DA
Decock
14+1

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85B is gud, 75B is probably just as good.

>>31470427
They really can't but sure, if you say so.

>>31470489

Bolo disconnector

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>>31470201

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I'm in serious danger of buying this some day.

>>31470201
>asshurt muslimbro posting without a trip

>>31470368
>what is typical 4chan parlance for the past decade
He's right, you are autistic.

>>31470419
If you want DA/SA but polymer frame, there's always the FNX9, it's an excellent tupperware shooter, 17+1 capacity.

>>31470860
I seriously wish they'd sell retro style spur hammers for all the CZ75 models.

>>31470320
>>31470369
>>31470457

Pretty much just at the range and I like to look at it.

>>31469622
As someone who's also interested, instead of saying you like, can someone explain all these models?

P-07?
75B?
85?

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

>>31470320
i hate my spo1 cause its a jamtastic piece of shit that refuses to work right no matter how many parts i replace. on the other hand she puts bullets exactly where i want them with minimal recoil so i cant bring myself to sell the bitch.
my cz is a untrustworthy range toy

>>31470419
Weight has almost nothing to do with your height, but if you want a lighter weight one, just get one of CZ's polymer pistols, like the P-09 or P-07.
>>31470927
>If you want DA/SA but polymer frame, there's always the FNX9, it's an excellent tupperware shooter, 17+1 capacity.
The FN FNX9, as well as the HK P30, P30L, P2000, USP and USP Compact are all considered good alternatives/additionals for people who otherwise like the CZ 75.

>>31471040
Your gun is very atypical and you should probably return it to CZ for warranty work. Something is wrong with it.

>>31471008
>P-07?
polymer framed bullshit and angular slide
>75B?
bog standard default
>85?
ambi anything with 85 is an ambi gun

b= safety
bd = decocker
omega = can swap between decocker and safety

>>31471073
its been returned to cz for warranty work multiple times they "fix" it then a thousand rounds later its a piece of shit again
i accept it as a lemon

>>31471078
My God that makes so much more sense, thank you.

Why can't every company just be H&K and have several very different products without making a million vartiations?

>>31471095
Just sell it and buy another one? If you're already going to accept it as a loss, at least take the loss in money and don't accept the loss in performance.

>>31471040
how many rounds have you fired through it?

>>31471096
oh and p01 sp01 = railz

>>31471096
HK has a lot of very similar pistols too. v1, v2, v3, v4, v7, etc.

>>31471095
Ask CZ if they're willing to give you a brand new replacement.

>>31471120
Compare H&K's USA site with CZ-USA site.

H&K is easier to deal with.

>>31469622

B, B Omega, D Compact / P-01, or PCR Compact.

The latter two if you're sometimes carrying.

>>31471096
i think cz likes to hold on to the legendary status that the 75 has

>>31471111
personally somewhere between 5-7k bought it used so true round counts probably above 10k
its well out of warranty range by now cz only covers it for 5 years
>>31471109
got used to clearing jams
frankly i dont trust the design enough to buy a new one ive learned the weakspots first hand
i have other guns if i need to do something practical i bring the glock
>>31471133
its old they wont

>>31471139
That's your problem, though. If you lay it out in a spreadsheet, CZ's naming system is relatively transparent and uniform, with a few exceptions. Certainly no less uniform than HK's system and quite a bit more transparent.

For example, with HK, I have to memorize that "v2" stands for DA/SA with left-handed decocker/safety on a USP, "v3" stands for DA/SA with right-handed decocker-only on a USP, but "v2" stands for LEM on a P2000, which is a totally opaque and non-uniform naming system.

With CZ, the "D" tips me off with no memorization required that a gun is a "decocker" model, although ambidexterity is a little less transparent. The 85's will always be ambi, but many of the newer models, like SP-01 and those with the Omega trigger systems at least have ambi safeties and reversible mag catches, while the 75B and regular P-01 are for righties only.

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>>31469622
>Favorite full-size CZ?
The Pre B, eventually I want to get a short rail.

>>31471008
Polymer Omega series 7 (compact, 9 is full size)
75B - Black Hi Power clone
85 - left handed/ambi model
Decocker

http://cz-usa.com/product-category/handguns/

The worst are the ones that adopt the German car naming scheme and have everything a different number only. Glocks are the worst.

>>31471376
Numbers are boring.

The gun world needs more Desert Eagles and Redhawks.

>>31471376
3rd gen metal framed smith and wesson is the worst naming scheme

>>31471376
>75B - Black Hi Power clone
This needs to stop, it's definitely not a Hi Power clone.

>>31471422
How about Glocks?

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>>31471433
glock is simple compared to this travesty

>>31471428
It's basically a copy and/or upgrade of the Browning Hi Power.

https://youtu.be/XcNfHudHlF8?t=6m3s

>>31471457
The Glock system is totally opaque. There is no correlation between the model numbers and caliber or size. There is no part of "20" that has any relation at all to the caliber 10mm or the size of the gun, and likewise, no part of 17 that tells you that it's a 9mm or what size it is.

At least with the S&W system you brought up, there is a uniform system that they used that, once memorized, can tell you the frame material, color, caliber, size, firing system and decocker style. It's not 100% uniform (for example the 5906 is steel frame, but 6906 is alloy frame), but you can generally predict all of a handgun's specifications from the model name without even needing to see it in person.

>>31469622
I want an sp01 for a full size 9mm

Got a 75B with a few mags for $425. No complaints.
Some corrosion on the rail, but it's very minor and apparently that's life with the materials used but it's just aesthetic discoloring...

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>saw a pre-B Italian Witness clone with a like-new parkerized finish at the lgs
>350

How bad of a deal is it?

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>>31471457
>>31471422
I fucking love the things though.

I memorize the 5906 because I think it's awesome.

>>31469749
senpai you owe it to us to take more and sexier pictures.

>>31470430
A E S T H E T I C

>>31471777
It's about spot on, neither a good deal nor a bad one.

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>>31469622
Shoulder holster!

>>31473400
Love the idea ever since watching Gunsmith cats, but be real with me, how do you go about your day like that when you enter an establishment that doesnt allow for carry and you have to take off your outer layer (jacket, etc), or just in general not attract attention or find yourself uncomfortable? is it just your cold weather carry? how does one get used to it? sorry for all the questions, but i think its badass and i need to know what gives

>>31473758
There isn't a lot of establishments up here in Alaska that prohibit carry. Even then, I just carry anyways because who the fuck is going to know?
>have to take off my jacket
Bitch, I do what I want.

>>31473890
Shid I didnt know you were in Alaska man, there arent enough CZ threads to see you in. Sounds amazing except for waiting for fucking anything to ship from the 48 states

>>31473970
I used to be prolific in Cz and EDC threads, I kind of got bored.

>>31473970
>Shid I didnt know you were in Alaska man
His tripfag name used to have the word "Alaska" in it.

>>31474095
3 years of lurking and one year of postin and I still havent gotten to know all the tripfags i guess

>>31474156
Count yourself lucky.

>>31474095
Almost forgot about that one.

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>>31469622

What's that /cz/? You don't have a handmade leather holster for open carry to let all the ladies know you have a huge dick?

4 real tho, love my sp01 but fuck me I get waaaaaay too many failure to feeds on the 2nd round of my mag. Both mags do this, tried different ammo.

Gonna polish the feed ramp and maybe look at getting a lighter spring but still...really gay.

>>31469622
Picked up an 83 for carry. Going to get an sp01 for range fun next

Ask this question in another thread and didn't get an answer so here goes:

I'm thinking of buying a used Interarms CZ from Bud's in a month or so and I wanted to know what they mean by "significant signs of use"; I'm thinking heavily worn finish, maybe bare metal in some spots, and some dings & scratches, not deep gouges, but otherwise the frame, internals, etc. should be gtg. Can anyone who bought one recently tell me what yours looked like and whether I'm over or underestimating the wear and tear?

>>31475479
From what I've seen, the used examples sold by Buds tend to be pretty damn beat up; honestly I would seek out a better source

>>31475490
Do you have any? I've fallen for the memes and want a CZ as a first pistol, the fact that these are pretty cheap and already beat appeals to me, and if I fuck it up them I'm not out too much cash and won't feel bad.

>>31475513
I have a full size BD that I ended up buying new, but I strongly considered getting a used one while I was looking around. Excellent gun all around, never had a single hiccup thus far.

Although buying used is perfectly viable, always try to see the exact gun you'll be buying before you actually make the purchase, preferably not a bulk shipment like Buds. If you're really strapped for cash, clones (italian, israeli, etc..) are usually pretty damn good in their own right.

>>31469976
That's a pretty gun, anon.

>>31475537
I was actually looking at a Tanfoglio or Tristar before Bud's got their shipment in, but my inner autist is screaming at me to get a "real" CZ. Anyway, assuming I buy one from Bud's, what should I look out for when I look the thing over? I want to know what to look out for so that, in case something is really wrong, I can have the shop return it ASAP.

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>>31475555
Forgot to post CZ

P-07 in 9mm. First semi-auto handgun I've ever owned. Thank you based Czechs for getting me out of some sticky situations.

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>>31469976
I normally hate 1911s, but I love those guns

>>31475572
I was seriously considering getting a tristar and the only reason I chickened out of saving $100 over a real CZ is that I was paranoid about the fit and availability of replacement parts. I know they say they're perfect copies, but my inner skeptic gave me a bad feeling. maybe I'm just crazy. might pick one up someday if only because they're cheap, and to compare to the genuine article.

>>31473758

>take gun out of holster, throw in car
>keep holster on
>or just say fuck it and keep in holster

but honestly why in the fuck would anyone want a CZ? someone please explain

>>31475572
Be sure to ask your FFL of choice to either field strip the pistol yourself or have him do it before accepting the transfer

Here's a comprehensive list of things to check:
>Slide locks back on empty
>Safety is functional
>Double Action is functional
>Single Action is functional
>Magazine release is functional
>check interior frame/slide rails for damage
>inspect for any external dents or cracks
>sight alignment
>locking lugs on barrel and slide
>bore
>feed ramp

Also, since this pistol will be extremely well used, I would recommend changing the following, regardless of working order (when changing springs, be sure to do the ignition system (firing pin spring and hammer spring) simultaneously to avoid ignition problems):
>Trigger Return Spring/ Trigger Pin
>Recoil Spring
>Firing Pin Spring
>Hammer Spring

And last but not least, field strip the pistol, remove the firing pin from the slide, and generously clean with Gun Scrubber (or something similar)

>>31475603
Nobody wants CZs. We're all just having a laff, sorry you weren't in on it mate.

>>31475605
Thanks for the help fampai

I have a CZ that struggles to extract properly. the spent case doesn't leave the chamber before the next round wedges it in. I don't think it's an extractor issue because it ejects and feeds unfired rounds just fine. so it's the mags or the feed ramp? I'm not sure. first thought was of course that it was the ammo, but it's had the same issue with three different brands.

I added a CZ 75 BD to my Czech pistol collection recently, bringing my total number of CZs to 4.

Also protip if your custom holster guy says he doesn't know a lot about leather then DEFINITELY don't have him make you a leather holster.

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Fucking forgot the picture, Christ.

>>31475612

>slide is as thin as my cock, cant pull either of them back
>slide catch is so far forward you have to shift the muzzle towards the left and release proper grip to drop the slide (i have big hands too)
>hammer might as well be Mjolnir for how hard it is to manually cock

In my experience with CZ40b and CZ75 anyway.

>>31475756
are you a manlet ?

>>31476823

Not really, im 6' with gorilla hands, can hold a nergrosphere upside down with one hand. I carry a Sig P226, which I believe has a wider grip even, but all the things work seamlessly on that one, whereas the layout of the CZs i've handled seems poorly done

>>31471040
t. limp wristed bitch

>>31476876
manlet it is

>>31476876
>he's only 6'
wew lad maybe a Beretta 86 would be more your speed

My sp-01 ran flawlessly out of the box and only became picky when I worked it over for production division and put an 11lb mainspring in it. My DA is around 6.7 lbs and my SA is around 2.5lbs but it will only reliably ignite federal primers. Every other primer I can expect around 2 or 3 light strikes out of 300 rounds or so but they're usually at the worst possible moment.
In short, send it back to cz for warranty work and stop dicking with it if you don't know what you're doing.

>>31475593
>>31475572

Tristar is just an importer for Canik pistols and Kral shotguns. If you're comfortable with a Canik it's a good purchase. Their customer service is in Kansas somewhere so parts isn't a problem. I would avoid used Tristar pistols (just my experience), people beat the shit out of them like Hertz Mustangs. The shotguns can take most of the abuse except probably their AR shotgun.

If someone has a KRX post it because they look cool.

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My polished and blued SP-01 Orange.

>>31470157
Get the 75B, then look up Cajun Gun Works and contain your erupting boner.

>>31477056
The canik tristar import cz copies are actually outstanding and CGW has a pretty good selection of parts and accessories.
I would go as far as saying the finish and machining is better on the canik,
I love my sp-01 and my tac sport though.

>>31475632
have you cleaned under the extractor or replaced the extractor spring?

>>31470419
Post pic of arms

>>31478801
Dude, I cleaned mine and that thing was one dirty mother. There was a bit of carbon that was in there that I thought was part of the extractor till I started scraping at it.

>>31475479
Here's what a $300 CZ 75 looks like: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/585449689

If you want to pay just a little more, around $350 will get you something a little nicer: http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/587266365
(Note: this one doesn't come with a magazine, so you will have to factor in spending $40 additional to the listed price for that + shipping)

If you want to spend around $400, you can get a nice transitional model in like new condition: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/586133905

I would strongly caution against buying a "fair" or "poor" condition surplus firearm sight-unseen if you care at all what the gun looks like.

>>31475513
>I've fallen for the memes and want a CZ as a first pistol, the fact that these are pretty cheap and already beat appeals to me, and if I fuck it up them I'm not out too much cash and won't feel bad.
I've owned quite a few surplus "pre-B" CZ 75's and the internal condition can be highly variable from gun to gun. I have gotten guns that looked ugly but internally just worked, but I've also gotten guns that needed every single spring replaced in order to function without any problems. I'd recommend buying a new SP-01 if you are buying your first gun and want to do it right the first time. They seem to receive an extra degree of fitment and finishing work at the factory than even a standard 75B.

I don't know about anyone else but CZ seems to be the only company making modern tacticool weapons that also look really good. The CZ805 and Skorpion EVO3 look fucking great.

Why is this company so underrated?

>>31479485
That $300 link looks Book of Eli-tier

>>31475572
>assuming I buy one from Bud's, what should I look out for when I look the thing over?

1. Carefully inspect the slide and frame for cracks.

2. Check for any damage to the barrel: dings at the muzzle, any abornalities to the feed ramp.

3. Check for slide-to-frame wobble (there shouldn't be much), and slide-to-barrel wobble (there may be just a bit).

4. Do all serial numbers match?

5. Look for any potentially aftermarket parts that are installed on the gun and check their fitment. I have seen aftermarket sights that were installed incorrectly and fell off when I took the gun shooting.

6. Field strip the gun and check for abnormal wear inside the gun on moving parts. Definitely check the slide and frame rails, as well as the barrel and slide locking lugs.

7. Check for functionality: Here are some sample questions to ask yourself. The more used guns you buy, you'll learn to check for all sorts of different things that can go wrong:
a. Does the slide cycle smoothly with no stickiness or hang-ups? (potential problem if no)
b. Do magazines hold the slide to the rear when empty? (minor issue if no, can be fixed with a new spring)
c. Do magazines have serious problems inserting? (don't worry if they don't drop free, with early CZs that's normal)
d. Do all levers and controls function as they should? Slide stop should hold back the slide even if you shake the gun (minor issue if no: spring replacement can fix). Safety should only engage with hammer cocked (potentially serious issue if not like this, probably requiring multiple parts replacement to fix).
e. Cock the hammer and put the safety on. Can you push the hammer forward and make it drop without touching the trigger? (potentially serious issue requiring multiple parts replacement to fix).
f. Put a pencil or wooden dowel down the barrel and pull the trigger. Does it fly out of the muzzle? If no, check firing pin.
g. Any abnormalities with trigger pull or reset when dry-firing the gun?

>>31479485
Thanks for the advice, I have to say the $300 has a lot more finish wear than I thought it would, though I was going to re-blue the one I'm buying anyway so it's kind of a bonus if it does end up having as little finish left. Anyway, you're right in that I probably shouldn't buy a really worn one without looking at it but I'm definitely going to look it over before approving the transfer, and if it does show something majorly wrong/ugly (i.e. cracked frame, deep gouges, worn lugs, etc.) or is non-functional in some way (safety, DA, or SA) then I'll just go for a return/refund. And I think I'll be hunting through gunbroker for other deals because the $350 is pretty nice.

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>>31479701
Are you planning to re-blue it yourself? Keep in mind that the original finish on 95% of CZ 75's is not bluing, but a paint-over-parkerized type finish, and I'm not sure how easy that is to remove.

Buying a beater and then spending money to refinish it can be a game of diminishing returns. Pic related cost me around $400 and it has basically all of the original finish left on it, in this case it's a polished blued finish and looks good without needing to be refinished.

>>31479701
Also, in reality you're not likely to receive a gun that is actually non-functional. These are surplus firearms that were originally owned by some agency that originally depended on them for daily use. Most likely scenario is you receive a gun that needs all new springs and ejects brass erratically or something of the like.

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>>31479624
>Why is this company so underrated?
>underrated

hmmm... maybe because this is what CZ passes off as an acceptable "durable" finish fit for military use.

>>31470430
What's the deal with the Omega system? I like the old curved triggers, how are they functionally different?

>>31479921
lets you swap between decocker and safety
which required pretty much all of the trigger/sear/etc to be redesigned so everything changed

>>31479848
>heavily use and abuse a pistol for 30 years in the desert
>the finish gets a little beat up eventually

I'm not sure where you're going with this. You do realize that CZ has improved their finish quite a bit over the years, right? Modern polycoat is on the same level as cerakote, whereas old CZ's were finished with a very basic paint over parkerizing, which had good corrosion resistance, although it didn't take holster wear very elegantly. Other service pistols being produced at the time, like the Beretta 92s and Sig P226 were finished in a simple matte blue, which had less corrosion resistance than paint over parkerizing.

>>31479962
>Modern polycoat is on the same level as cerakote
no just no

>>31479921
I'm not sure why that person recommended the P-01 Omega with a decocker. You can just get a regular P-01 if you want a decocker. The P-01 Omega is the only way you can get (if you want it) a compact CZ 75 with a rail and a thumb safety.

>>31479972
Interesting. Many people use a similar line of reasoning to deny the Moon landing. I always wondered where they were coming from with that. Turns out it's a deep-seated emotional rejection of objective reality, huh.

>>31479848
Did a Czech steal your girlfriend or something?

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>>31479976
>The P-01 Omega is the only way you can get (if you want it) a compact CZ 75 with a rail and a thumb safety.
its called a p 02 but its rare

Thinkin about selling my 75B Omega and getting a p226 mk25

>>31480056
let us guess, you like SEALs ?

>>31480069
A lil bit

>>31480019
unless cz changed its polycoat formula recently its still shit compared to cerakote
you see the wear on the edges and it will flake or chip off any highspots numbers or engravings

some forms of modern polycoat might be better than cerakote but cz sure as hell isnt putting it on their guns

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>>31480123
>unless cz changed its polycoat formula recently
>>31479962
>You do realize that CZ has improved their finish quite a bit over the years, right?

>>31469622
My favorite full-size CZ is a Sig Sauer.

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>>31480083
>dat short rail.

>>31480145
>>You do realize that CZ has improved their finish quite a bit over the years, right?
yes i realize that but the current one is still mediocre

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>>31480201
lately something's off with it

can't put my finger on it though

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>>31480204
Spoken like a true expert. Look at all those sources and figures.

>>31480204
Move them goalposts.

>>31480226
Pff.
Do the opposite on a B or SP01

>>31480226
What'd you do to your Czs? Inbreed them?

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>>31480292
like that ?

>>31480294
winczest

>>31480226
Is it because the red safety marking paint is gone?

>>31480226
I....would that even work?

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>>31480227
check it out modern cz polycoat best goddam finish in the world(end sarcasm)

>>31478763
I agree, but I've seen and handled some of the 1 year old used stock places like Bud's keep and my god people do terrible things to their off-brand guns. I'd actually feel a lot better buying a new one.

>>31480309
yes Sherlock that's precisely it

>>31480312
all my crossbreeds work

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>>31480313
>"modern cz polycoat"
>posts a picture of a 2007 production pistol

>>31480331
prove to me they changed it in the past decade

>>31480323
>all my crossbreeds work
How'd it feel shooting on that 2nd Gen frame?

>>31480350
All you need to do is look at it.

>>31480352
exactly the same
just with a shittier trigger and a safety notch position for the hammer

it's not that much weight added at the front

>>31480367
ive looked at new production 2016 czs in gunstores and the finish looks the same
post any documentation that its changed since 2007

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>>31480352
have another one

>>31469622
P07

>>31480393
Don't take it out on us just because you don't own or like or are able to ignore threads about CZ 75's.

>>31480226
>>31480305
>>31480398
All that inbreeding.

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>>31469622
I have nothing to add to this thread. I just wanted an excuse to post my P01.

>>31480425
post picture of personal cz and get accused of not owning a cz
bravo

>>31480305
Put the pre-B slide on the full length SP01 frame

>>31480463
>20160927_133230.jpg

That's not your gun.

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I like my shadow p.good

>>31480452
too bad you cant breed a Shadow 2 to a 75 frame anymore because they widened the slide

>>31480488
that doesn't work (yet) because of the ejector width

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>>31480492

>>31480563
You tell him anon!

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>>31480563
I wasn't wrong in my analogy. Cerakote is a tough finish, but it can flake off under the wrong conditions.
http://forum.lwrci.com/viewtopic.php?p=82304

As for demanding sources for CZ's polycoat formulations. You're not going to find any because CZ doesn't publish this information. Other gun manufacturers don't publish the information about their finishes either.

>>31470306
Muh nigga

Seriously though op, cant go wrong with any 75 model. Though p-01 is my personal favorite

>>31480749
cerakote is shit for things you actually use

pieces start chipping off and are far from the advertised hardness

color pallette is nice though

>>31471118
You mean besides the compact and full size barrel lengths?

>>31480749
>You're not going to find any because CZ doesn't publish this information. Other gun manufacturers don't publish the information about their finishes either.
true
but generally when something changes people notice like the gen 3 to gen4 glock finish
theres been no uproar about cz improving or decreasing in quality in the past decade
the only complaint is hey it costs more than it did

>>31480818
Doesn't the toughness of cerakote depend on if it's air dried or baked on?

>>31480875
could be, no idea

however it scratches even though it isn't supposed to

>>31480863
I've noticed it, which is why I said >>31480367. Current production guns' polycoat appears to have a thinner viscosity and fit into thin stamps and rollmarks more easily.

>>31480838
as in p means rails
p01,p02,sp01,p06,p07,p09,sdp
think the only cz with p in the name without rails is the pcr

>>31469749
Put your safety on.

>>31480903
well if you say so
all i did was look at em in a store where it looked the same
didnt buy one and examine it in detail
doesnt seem like anyone else on the internet noticed
i know theres a difference in finish quality between the polymer framed czs and the 75s
only time will tell if it will hold up
my moneys on it not holding up under use since cz is still an average priced handgun mediocrity is expected

>>31470401
>tanfo's are now more expensive than most of their cz counterparts.

you can get a 9mm Witness P for $260 right now, the only CZs cheaper than that are ancient milsurps that barely even work. only the really high end competition models like the Stock III Extreme will cost you over $1000, even steel frame 10mms will rarely run you over $500.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/eaa-tanfoglio-witness-polymer-semi-automatic-9mm-45-barrel-16-rounds-black?a=2083157&CJ=1&cjaffilid=4084797&cjaffsite=Slickguns+Inc&cjadv=CJTSGUSA&cjadvid=1522857&utm_source=Slickguns+Inc&utm_medium=CJ&utm_campaign=SPG+Product+Catalog+-+SportsmansGuide.com

>>31481069
I could swear I saw a thread on here a couple weeks ago where the OP paid like $400 for one of these. Everyone tried to argue that he'd overpaid but no one could find one for much cheaper.

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>>31469749
At least right it.

>>31476876
Sounds like you need some vagisil for this particular ailment.

>>31478528
Is that factory blued or something you had done after you bought it?

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>>31480938
Safety is for faggots

>>31471830
My camera is shit. Probably the best quality pic is that and the ones the guy took form the auction. I'm about to sell it to another anon anyways. He'll probably take better pics.

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>>31482437

My local gunshot has a high Polish CZ 75B for $740 and a used but in almost new condition CZ75BD Police for $530. What would you guys get? I can afford either but I will save cash with the BD.

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>>31483137
>high Polish CZ 75B for $740
I owned one for a while, then eventually traded it away. It's just a standard CZ 75B with standard internal parts. The bluing was not particularly impressive either, with some machining marks not being completely buffed out. Also, the weird way that each rollmark on the gun was done with a different method of engraving/stamping/etching always bugged me (see next photo I'll post too, every single rollmark is done differently).

I recently picked up an SP-01 with night sights for $645 shipped and it's a much better gun. It feels like the internals are all polished and smooth - it has the smoothest trigger pull out of the box for any CZ I've ever owned. The finish looks clean and smart. The checkering on the front and back of the grip is superior. The safety being ambi and slide stop being extended are a plus. Biggest perk of all is that the trigger lever itself feels much flatter and more controllable than the standard CZ 75 trigger, which would normally feel thin and rounded.

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>>31483235

>>31483137
You can get new Czs for $550 and a little under. Personally I'd get the BD.

>>31471040
Sorry you got a lemon anon. Sell it and get a new one.

My CZ-75B is the only semi-automatic gun i own that has never once jammed.

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>>31475756
>>31476876
>using the slide release
Learn to rack it slav style.

>>31479848
Ok, real talk though that looks badass.

>>31469622
How are is the CZ75 RAMI guys? Is it as dream like to shoot like the big brothers?

I'm debating between it and the Sig 938 for my EDC Conceal.

>>31484178
I would rather have the slide release further back and lower, or at least the lever extended outwardly to accommodate it.

I get by using my offhand to hit the release though.

>>31484238
I've never shot a 2075 RAMI. I'm somewhat interested in it, but of the half a dozen other CZ's I have bought, one of these has never been one. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be just like the bigger CZ's.
>>I'm debating between it and the Sig 938 for my EDC Conceal.
They are not even close in terms of size, bro.

>>31469622
I like the cz75 compact, myself.

>>31485137
I know, one for summer one for winter.

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>>31481216
the 10mm and .45 version that comes with the .22 slide will run you around $450 but the 9mm ones are cheaper, more lightly built and most people skip over them in favor of a polymer CZ or Jericho instead.

>>31486478
>alternating rounds

gets me every time.

>>31486478
Is the 10mm Witness any good? Any jams? How is the recoil? Any problems?

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>>31486628
only time ive ever had any failures was after using my .22lr slide, which being .22 was getting waxy gunk everywhere causing the slide to lock back prematurely. it performed flawlessly being using that thing.

recoil is crisp but manageable, you can definitely feel how much power is being transferred and its not something you can deliver rapid follow-up shots with, but nobody that shoots heavy rounds like .357 magnum insist that you double tap 100% of the time. i have a Springco dual stage guide rod spring installed which helps reduce recoil a bit, though its at most a 20% reduction and mostly just keeps the slide from slamming into the frame on full-power loads.

>>31476920
>>31476975
>>31481261

>hey why are these guns designed funny
>you must be a gay manlet lel hehe xd

if its only designed for 6'7 russian giants with Ivan Drago hands, its not a very good design is it?

>>31486533
What you got against it fuckboy

>>31487718

I'm not that guy, but what is the point? I've never seen that before even

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>>31469622
Honestly Cz pistols are almost as comfy as my hi-power but I think their rifles and shotguns are actual sex
>my 550 for example

>>31487934
ive never heard a legitimate argument against it besides feeding issues fuddlore. some might say its bad to not know what kind of round your are about to fire but those both look to be devastating rounds so it doesnt really matter.

>>31489327

I mostly meant what is the incentive to alternate rounds? Just a little confused at the intention of it.

>>31489879
Something along the lines of barrier penetration. One of my bosses does that.

what are some good lights to put on my p01?

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>>31469622

Rami BD.

>>31491784
now if only i could find one

>>31491758
Surefire, so you can be sure of your target when you fire upon your assailant.

>>31474653
I found a bianchi g17 holster that fits my p-07 perfectly

>>31491758
Streamlight or surefire.

Just got myself a CZ P01 to pop my CZ cherry. Do these handle +P ammo alright or will it go full glocknade?

>>31494001
My 75B handles +p just fine.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/5490199/florida-handguns-for-sale--cz-usa-9mm

Is this a good deal?

>>31491784
I thought I wanted a decocker, but not after getting used to shooting SA. Cocked and Locked™ for me.

>>31494238
if it was new price is ok but 550 for used nope even if it is in "excellent" condition

>>31494238
Not a great deal. Even if it is in perfect condition, it's only slightly cheaper than factory new.

But if you real want the decocker and it IS in perfect condition, why not?

>>31480227
You don't need a source for an opinion, jackass.

>>31494001
I always see people mention on cz forums that the p01 has a lifespan of 15,000 rounds if you were to use only +p ammo since its a nato spec pistol. I haven't shot even a rain drop near that amount but so far mine is doing pretty good. So yeah, youre probably good

>>31495546
>quantifiable measures
>"opinion"
At least you admitted that your opinion isn't worth jack shit.

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So I heard the 75b has issues with rust? Is this true?

>>31494081
>>31497504
Not gonna shoot anywhere near 15k +P, just plinking (with mostly regular pressure ammo at that) and potentially for CC. Thanks fellas

>>31497916
Not really.

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