possible murder weapon ???

>>31464432
Just stamp a number on it and call it good.

Firearms manufactured before the gun control act were not required to have a serial. Do not alter or surrender it.

>>31464432
Thats a pre A1 1911.Cherish that fucking thing.
If any body asks say it was made before 1967 and guns made before that did not require serials.

>>31464474
This, motherfucker. Do not let that shit get away from you, OP.

>>31464472
>>31464474
Inb4 "y'all be postin in a troll thread"

This >>31464474 and this >>31464481 it is a fucking relic. Don't get it appraised either some fucking fud could try to steal the motherfucker from you due to it being a fucking gem.

should i at least try to shine it up or no?

>>31464503
The only thing you should ever do to it is remove rust and keep it nice and clean and well oild.

>>31464503
bait

>>31464484
I admit I was kinda waiting for him to post a pic of it smashed or something so I could stop being angry he has a pre-A1 and I don't.

>>31464432
OP, What you have in your picture is a pre-GCA model 1911, which, at the time, did not require serial numbers to be printed on the frame. It is perfectly legal to own and does not require registration or alteration of any kind. It is a precious artifact, and you would be doing a great disservice to yourself and to humanity if you were to ever toss it, burn it, or give it to the police.

If you find any green paint on it make sure you take some 60 grit sandpaper to it

File: 4324234234.jpg (122KB, 1107x610px) Image search: [Google]

122KB, 1107x610px

here is the other side

>>31464518
It's beautiful. Keep it as it is.

>>31464432
wow

>>31464518
Yeah 100% jelly.

>>31464518
Dont do ANYTHING to it other than put oil on it and clean it the same way you would any other gun. Toss it into a safe and maybe think about auctionng it off at a high end gun auction.

I love has this pistol has almost never changed in its life time.

holy

>>31464518
Looks like damn good condition too. You a shooter op, or is this just a family heirloom?

I'll offer $100 for it if it's not something you really want/need.

nice gat op. You should pawn it for 150.00!

Btw, where do you live?

>>31464432
pretty old thing

thanks everyone i will probably just keep it in my closet

>>31464474
This

File: 1444728782750.jpg (106KB, 294x303px)

106KB, 294x303px

>>31464518
holy hell look at that patina

File: 1425715335480.png (370KB, 767x455px)

370KB, 767x455px

>>31464568
kek what a fag

Cool ghost gun, fag. Don't give it away, don't sell it, don't destroy it, don't travel between states with it. That gun you have is untraceable. Clean it, take care of it. Shoot it. Put it in a case, save it. It is a family heirloom. Give it to your kid when your about to die or some shit like that.

>>31464432
very nice gun OP keep it thats a museum piece

>>31464454
Honestly yes. Do what this anon says.

>>31464701
No, you'll reduce its condition

>>31464701
This.

Spray it with red, white, and blue krylon if you're a real patriot.

I would say sand away the wear but the metal back then was so low-quality it would get infettered by sanding. You need to cover it up, though

That is one old colt you got there.

All legal ande really valuable.

>>31464655
what the fuck is a patina

>>31464432
is that the original military issued holster?

rare

gook blood on it get rid asap OP

bring it to your local cerakote guy he can freshen that bad boy up something proper, maybe something cool like a battleworn finish

>>31464432
On the slight off chance that this isn't bait, don't fuck with it other than to give it a gentle clean and oiling. Invest in a good gun safe.

>>31464432
Cum in it

>>31464890
will do

File: 1468403777334.gif (354KB, 240x200px) Image search: [Google]

354KB, 240x200px

>>31464881

>>31464883
not bait
just my first firearm dont know shit about it

>>31464432
Hard to put a value on it.


In 100% mint that would be a $12,000 gun.


As is it is anywhere from $1500-6000.

DO NOT refinish it. ( if you do it will be a $600 gun)
DO NOT try and pollish it up or remove tje patina (or it will be a $ 400 gun)

Keep it oild, keep the holster oiled .

>>31464921
>all these fucking nogunz inheriting rare and/or expensive guns
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>31464926
thanks

>>31464784
The aging and tarnish of the metal.

It is a desirable thing. And is a sign of the age of the gun.

Do not remove it.

>>31464737
Reduce, i think you mean destroy

File: image.jpg (2MB, 2048x1536px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2048x1536px

GI stole his gun. Removed serial and government property stamp out of fear of getting caught. No law was broken by you and statute of limitations is long passed on stealing govt property. It's not like they are worried about it anymore. Too busy buying votes with welfare and green cards.

>>31464503
Fuck. No.

>>31464568
Like x10 times the amount of $ you offer would start to suffice :D

how many of these originals do you think is still out there? with the holster and all

>>31464518
Wow, I thought you were lying.
Nice historical piece of American history, jealous.

>>31465040
(:

>>31464503
No.

Fieldstrip it, soak it in an appropriate CLP (I like Ballistol), let it sit for a while, then wipe off the excess with a clean rag, making sure to leave a thin film (this acts like a lube and protective coating).
Then reassemble the gun.

Use a guide actually, as improper dissasembly of a 1911 can leave an unsightly scratch on the frame.

>>31465173
Oh yeah, get a nice leather case to keep the gun in.

Old 1911s generally want to shoot 230gr ball ammo, don't bother with hollowpoints.

>>31464432
Thats an old m1911. It was and still is actually a pretty popular handgun. I believe its predecessors were actually the first magazine fed semi automatic handgun but your \s is not that old. I think yours is between 50s and 60s. As far as value I'm not sure. If you were to look at a modern 1911 you can still see a lot of similarities between the two. THe big guard thing on the back as well as the grip

>>31465207
its 1918

>>31465207
>still is actually a pretty popular handgun
True, you can buy new ones from the Fillipines for like $350, pretty alright ones too.

>I believe its predecessors were actually the first magazine fed semi automatic handgun
The first automatic pistol taking detachable magazines would be the Borchardt C93 pistol (from 1893), a big and clumsy design, but it would eventually be used as the basis for the much nicer Luger pistol.

I'm pretty certain John Moses Browning did pioneer the concept of slides on pistols though, as well as short-recoil operation (how near all service pistols today work).

>>31465207
>I think yours is between 50s and 60s
It's actually a pre-A1 pistol, so it's probably from at least 1923 (in 1924 the pistol was redesigned slightly to the 1911A1, which is the most common type), OP's pistol could be as old as 100 years.

>>31464432
don't toss it you goddamn moron that things a piece of fucking history

File: IMG_31052016_222839.png (27KB, 150x91px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 150x91px

>>31464518

File: IMG_1565.jpg (127KB, 500x447px)

127KB, 500x447px

>>31464518
I'll take that scary gun off you, OP. I won't even ask for anything in return.

The only thing you should do to that GI 1911 is oil it.

It's too valuable to shoot now too. Auction it off.

File: IMG_0587.jpg (83KB, 640x635px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 640x635px

>>31464518

>>31465250
thanks man, You think that might be the same model used in ww1

>>31465368
yea

>>31464981

Yup. Have seen this before at gun shows and even at a pawn shop. Just listed as a pre-68 no serial in the bound book IIRC.

>>31464745
Fuck no he doesn't. Just use oil or you will destroy the value.

File: HPIM2861.jpg (2MB, 2720x2259px)

2MB, 2720x2259px

>>31465368
Definitely made for WWI. May have saw duty in WWII also. Between the wars, they modified the 1911 and it received a new designation - 1911A1. Mostly cosmetic to address complaints by the GIs. Shorter trigger, arched mainspring housing, longer grip safety, heat treating to address slide cracks etc. So a 1911A1 would have been WWII on and a 1911 is probably WWI maybe WWII. Yours is a 1911 with all the right features as far as I can tell.

>>31464432
Probably had the serial number filed off because it has "PROPERTY OF US GOVERNMENT" engraved on the frame or slide, which spooked the previous owner enough to compel him to file it off; really common with US milsurp.

Don't worry about it though, like this anon said >>31464472 pre '68 guns aren't required to have a serial number, so if anybody asks (incredibly unlikely) you can just say that your great grandfather bought it like that sometime before 1968.

>>31465250
>I'm pretty certain John Moses Browning did pioneer the concept of slides on pistols though, as well as short-recoil operation (how near all service pistols today work).

You're absolutely correct, the first production pistol with a slide was a Browning design

FN M1900 I think

>>31464503
leave it in a tub of acetone overnight, that'll clear off all the corrosion and shine it a bit

>>31465190
storing a gun in a leather case will contain humidity and lead to corrosion

>>31466942
It does? I didn't know that.
If I wanted a nice soft case to store a pistol in, what would you recommend?

Actually, what if I put one of those desiccant packets in the leather case? That should protect against humidity, right?

>>31464432
get a waffenamt stamp on ebay and increase the gun's value by atleast x10

>people saying it doesn't require a serial number because of its age

No, but that gun originally did have a serial number from Colt. When anon's grandpappy removed said serial number, he committed a felony.

>>31465173
What this guy said. Do not get an idiot scratch on it.

>>31464926
>As is it is anywhere from $1500-6000.
Almost certainly at the low end of that range, maybe quite a bit less. It may be an "original" gun and not a refinish, but a) the value is determined by how much of the original finish remains and I'm looking at a "0-1% remaining" gun, and also b), the serial number and US Property marks have been destroyed and if that doesn't affect the gun's ability to be transferred, it definitely does affect value. I would put the value in the $800-1400 range.

>>31467234
>Do not get an idiot scratch on it.
Honestly, an idiot scratch is not that big of deal for a gun that looks like that.

>>31464503
>should i at least try to shine it up or no?
Subtract another $500-1000 from the value if you try to "shine it up" at all.

>>31467205
Well, there's some truth to it, in that any gun made before 1968 doesn't have to have a serial number (though many manufacturers did have them for convenience's sake).

Though it's illegal to deface a serial number today, is the gun still legal if the serial number was defaced before 1968?

>>31467439
Think about it. It's 1:00 PM on a weekday. Why would a lawyer be wasting his time on /k/ giving out legal advice for free? You're not going to find a definitive answer here.

Very Early 1911s did not have a SN
Possible alternate locations
1) Is there a serial number near the locking lug area on inside area of frame?

Please disassemble carefully during your cleaning and check inside
2) WWII "sterile" pistol made without SN for clandestine operations. Unfortunately probably not OPs since his is Model 1911(null) *this story is not confirmed*

3) Serial numbers were stamped in Colts italic numbers on top of the slides, under the mainspring housing, and (usually) on top of the barrel. Get us a pic of the top of the slide?

File: 1911_4_IMG_1817.jpg (781KB, 3264x2448px) Image search: [Google]

781KB, 3264x2448px

>>31468231
>Very Early 1911s did not have a SN
Yes, they absolutely did.

>>31468231
Continued
4) Lunchbox gun made by a worker walking out a piece at a time from factory.

As long as you cannot see evidence of serial number removal and it plausibly was built before 1968 it's legal to own.

>>31464503
> that Luger P08 thread

FUCK
PLS NO

>>31465173
>>31467234
How do you properly disassemble a 1911?

>>31468311
YOUTUBE
O
U
T
U
B
E

>>31468301
What happened there?

>>31468269
I should of said SOME very early 1911s did not have SN sorry about that.
Anything that passed thru the services should have SN though.

There are references to presentation guns without serials as well. Remember PreNFA 1935 and the 1968 it was a lot more mellow.
It's a interesting piece of history. Seriously you could probably just ask Colt about it. I'm sure their archivist could read chapter and verse about OPs treasure.

>>31468333
you don't wanna know

>>31464568
kek

>>31468354
I do

>>31468515
I second this

>>31464432
My bait senses are tingling...

>>31467261
> serial number and US Property marks
Never had them. Too old and not a milsurp.

Its pretty tarnished.
You should take it to a reputable gun smith and have it reblued.
You should probably polish the feed ramp to otherwise the gun may not be reliable.

>>31468591
"tarnished" more like perfection

File: image.jpg (1MB, 2304x1728px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2304x1728px

>>31468531
There was an anon who had a P08 Luger. There was a dab of green paint under the barrel. That was an indicator that this pistol was a genuine war trophy and was paper worked and shipped home all proper and legal like. Some /k/idder told him that green paint would drag down the value. He suggested removing it. Anon asked for best way and was told "sandpaper" the retard sanded it off and posted pictures to prove it. Too painful to post again.

>>31468515
no you dont.

>>31468684
> not the JEW luger

>>31468584
>Never had them. Too old and not a milsurp.
How do you know the numbers have never been removed? Did somebody X-ray the frame or try to acid etch any numbers? It's not hard for a good gunsmith to shave the frame and slide to remove markings.

>>31468800
>jewger

>>31468993
>nigger

File: image.jpg (44KB, 540x595px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 540x595px

>>31468684
I remember when that happened. It was awful.

File: 1472696116566.jpg (133KB, 874x940px)

133KB, 874x940px

>>31468684

File: 1303449881124.jpg (23KB, 255x352px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 255x352px

>>31468684
>Literally sanding away money
Come on man, that's hilarious. Imagine how retarded that guy felt.

File: Capture.png (679KB, 2045x1021px)

679KB, 2045x1021px

dear OP you are a massive FAg but i will give you tree fiddy

>>31469606
op here
not my post
guns in my closet wrapped up not for sale

File: IMG_1084.jpg (196KB, 680x940px) Image search: [Google]

196KB, 680x940px

>>31468269
>serial #4
Fug.

>>31464432
Don't do any. Keep it. From the looks of it this is either WW2, korea, or Vietnam.

>>31470672
>pre-A1
>Korea
>Vietnam

>>31464432
>>31464518
I swear to fuck, if you toss/burn/surrender this gun I will fucking kill you.

>>31464474
>>31464474
>>31464474
>>31464474

OP please listen to this>>31464432


I'll give you $500 for it alternately

File: efeb702a75b5eabbe884829137e0fc3c.jpg (12KB, 256x256px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 256x256px

>>31464518

>>31464921

DO. NOT. TOUCH. IT.

This is literally something you keep up your ass for 10+ years if the situation calls for it if it evens lightly looks like it may be taken away from you.

1911s are all about muh history, but you are holding literal 1911 Genesis there.

You know that 3rd Tablet Moses broke? Yeah, that gun fell out of it.

You have something that makes millionaire gun collectors wet their pants.

I am being 100% serious and if you EVER get rid of, or alter that gun in any way, I will find you, and I will slowly roast your body while skull fucking your eye sockets. I don't even care if your brain welds to my cock.

File: 1473866862423.jpg (42KB, 562x437px)

42KB, 562x437px

>>31467261
>I would put the value in the $800-1400 range.

>>31464503

NO

>>31468311

Gunsmith that bad boy if you don't know how. It's not worth it. If you are in the New England area I will teach you with a beater 1911 before you try.

If you do try, use a guide or cover the frame around the slide stop with electrical tape.

>>31474671
>You have something that makes millionaire gun collectors wet their pants
They aren't *that* rare

File: 1457845121593.jpg (949KB, 1232x2810px)

949KB, 1232x2810px

>>31468684
>Too painful to post again.

I'll post it. Maybe it'll prevent someone from doing it again.

File: whywouldu.png (443KB, 633x420px) Image search: [Google]

443KB, 633x420px

>>31464432

>turn it in to local police station

File: 34564356436.jpg (13KB, 234x227px)

13KB, 234x227px

>>31464518
IT'S REAL

>>31474837
god why