Unique warships thread

>>31464046
it (like almost everything in the 50s) was converted from an a ww2 era cruiser and even taking put alot of stuff to get the bulky at the time missle launchers. they had no place to put the large amount of men required to aim the damn things. so they stuck an aluminium box on top and shoved them all inside it. along with the "computers" required

>>31464089
Long Beach is bespoke. It has a boxy superstructure because it had experimental radars.

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>>31464046
French battleship Charles Martel

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>>31464046

No, this is a ridiculous superstructure.

>>31464516

pre-Dreads, especially French, were beautiful ships.

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>>31464527
U.S.S texas BB-01

ITT: the WarshipPorn subreddit

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obligatory. Even though there were two it's still a unique design.

>>31464046
Wish they'd gone through with the proposed Aegis upgrade in the mid-90s. Though thinking about it now it's kind of hard to think of a reason besides 'just because'.

>>31464089
>was converted from an a ww2 era cruiser
No it wasn't.

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USS Iowa BB-4 is a unique battleship. Developed from the Indiana-class, she was constructed with a taller forecastle, which made her the first US battleship really capable of operating on the open ocean.

>>31464592
USS Indiana is BB-1. Texas is BB-Nothing, or sometimes called BB-0.

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>>31464046
German Imperial Battleship "SMS Beowulf."

Side-by-side front batteries, niqqa.

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Missile range instrumentation ship La Monge

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USS Pegasus, Pegasus class hydrofoil.

>>31464046
I like this so much despite not knowing why.

>struck and recycled
why.jpg

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... made it look a little bit like a German destroyer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXusKM5uX0s

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>>31469252
Eat it.

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RFA Argus

Container ship turned hospital/training/humanitarian/helicopter ship.

>>31469236
Old outdated ship that would have been to expensive to rift to use modern missiles. Couldn't be a museum ship because they had to pull the reactor out of it.

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>>31464527
>Fusou pagoda meme
Ise and Hyuuga are even weirder honestly.

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>>31464046

Not really unique because there are two but Mercy and Comfort are both pretty unique. They each have an absolutely enormous max capacity. It's kind of horrifying to imagine a situation that would actually require a ship like this. Each ship is capable of housing 1000 patients. Built from converted supertankers, the ships are unarmed, making them non-combatants as per international law. Firing on either ship would be considered a war crime.

>>31469330
Ise class had their secondary guns removed?

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>>31469210
>not the chibi cousin

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Armored cruiser USS Brooklyn ACR-3. Like Iowa BB-4, she was a modification of an earlier class (New York-class ACR), featuring a raised forecastle for improved sea-keeping and two additional 8" guns, one to each side amidships, and each midships main battery now enclosed in a full turret.

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A battlecruiser with the largest guns ever used by the Royal Navy - originally designed for 2 18" guns, Furious became an aircraft carrier part way through construction (losing the front turret) and later the rear one was swapped out as well - the guns ended up on a pair of monitors (Lord Clive class), which looks ridiculous

>>31469369
Yea. They got rid of those along with the rear turret and saved a bunch of weight, which fixed some of the steering and stability issues that the class had.

>>31469430

Might have been better to not have them from the start. Those 6-inch guns were really shitty.

>>31469474
They were made with British physique in mind at that, so the Japanese sailors who had to manually load them strained to do their job. Those guns got reused on the Agano class light cruisers, and they suck.

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>>31469420
At least the Yamato-class got to use theirs.

>>31464046

Can some navy expert explain why nuclear power isn't common on anything besides carriers and submarines? Isn't nuclear propulsion a major cost saver and assist in deployment endurance?

>>31469580
The cost associated with nuclear marine propulsionmake it prohibitive on anything except for the largest of capital ships.

>>31469580
>Isn't nuclear propulsion a major cost saver

No. It's costly to build, costly to maintain, and costly to get rid of. Just ask the Russians.

Its main advantage is that it gives a ship virtually unlimited range, which is essential for subs on long patrols, or carriers who need to operate two continents away.

>>31469580
Nuclear vessels require large amounts of nuke rates, which is expensive to train and staff. They also didn't have VLS (the same reason we retired the early Ticos).

>>31469543
That muzzle blast must be the size of the ship. I didn't believe it when they said those guns could flay the skin off people who got too close from the concussion alone, but I can see it happen now.

>>31469679
It's like that even with the Iowa class. You will disintegrate if you are sitting next to the 16" guns when they fire.

>>31469620
>>31469621

Wouldn't the cost be offset based on how long modern ships serve compared to the cost of fueling them with conventional fuels? Or is a reactor so expensive that 40 years of fuel is cheaper?

>>31469703

>Wouldn't the cost be offset based on how long modern ships serve compared to the cost of fueling them with conventional fuels?

This is true, but only for submarines and carriers. For most warships, nuclear propulsion is just too damn expensive.

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>>31464089
Everything you said is wrong. The Long Beach was a new built cruiser (in fact the only true cruiser the US ever built after WW2), and the boxy shape is from its SCANFAR radar system, which as seen in this image the USS Enterprise also shared and had a similar boxy island.

>>31469703
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/112th-congress-2011-2012/reports/05-12-nuclearpropulsion.pdf

>>31469730
Why didn't the Enterprise get refitted with SPY-1 when SCANFAR's the predecessor to the whole idea of phased array?

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>>31469699
>You will disintegrate if you are sitting next to the 16" guns when they fire.

Stop this.

>>31469760
The reason it had SCANFAR was they intended to give it its own SAM launchers (Terriers I think?) which was never actually done. SPY-1 would have been overkill, especially since 1980s carrier tactics emphasized EMCON.

>>31469815
>sitting next to
sure, the shell will pulverize you if you are dumb enough to stick your head into the barrel.

>>31469703

Clearly not, otherwise we'd have more nuclear ships.

There's also the issue that many international ports do not accept nuclear ships.

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>>31469703
Trust me, you do not want an entire navy worth of Kirovs

>>31469865
I'm pretty sure New Zealand are the only ones who give a shit.

>>31469703
I vaguely remember seeing a comparison that conventional carriers are theoretically cheaper than nuclear carriers.

Performance is the main benefit to nuclear propulsion

>>31469878

I don't know, I've heard nuclear/port issue parroted around too many reputable places for it not to be an issue.

>>31469890
>I vaguely remember seeing a comparison that conventional carriers are theoretically cheaper than nuclear carriers.

I really depends on who is running the carrier, the British support the idea that it was cheaper for them. However, the information around that is lacking, I'm planning to send a freedom of information request to see I'll they'll give anything out about it.

>>31469943
I think those estimates were made before the price of oil tanked.

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Kanimbla class
Aussies brought and upgraded a Vietnam era amphib off the Americans in the mid 90s only for it to breakdown almost all the time

>>31469340
Wonder how much a butt-raping one would endure for firing upon it.

>>31470459
Depends if you win the conflict.
Hospitals and civilians get targeted all the time.

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HMS Polyphemus. Only one ship of the class was ever built, an ironclad torpedo ram. Most likely the inspiration for HMS Thunder Child in H. G. Wells War of the Worlds.

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>>31470459
>>31470558

Hospital ships are supposed to have a special status. There was an incident during WW2 where a Canadian hospital ship was sunk by a U-boat. The Canucks started killing every German POW they could get their hands on.

>>31470666
Those independence class littoral combat ships are sexy

>>31470666
WW1 actually, couldn't find anything about any PoWs killed by Canadians.
The Captain actually went against German orders btw.

>>31470666
Donitz wouldn't have done that.

>>31464046

Those old missile launchers look so ridiculous compared to VLS.

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>>31470862
They refitted systems
Pic related is the original launchers

>>31464516
That ship really looks nice, like a combo of a galleon and a dreadnought.

>>31470999

And what if you get attacked by more than two planes at once?

>>31471031
That'd be ridiculous anon.

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Welcome to France, How tough are ya?

French submarine Surcouf (Sur-Kough I think?) was the single ship of its class. A member of the Cruiser Submarine class, the Surcouf was armed with a single forward paid of 8in/203mm L/50 Modèle 1924 guns, able to sling a 123kg shell to 31,400 meters, the Surcouf was also armed with a pair of 37mm AA gun, four 13.2 Machine Guns, 14 55cm Torpedoes in 6 tubes (2 external), 4 40cm torpedo tubes (4 external) with 8 torpedoes, and carried a single observation floatplane, designated MB.411 made by the Besson company.

>>31471068
B-but anon ...... It's a submarine

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>>31469178
Just "Monge", though.
Here's her electronic communication spy friend Dupuy de Lôme.

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>>31471068

Displacing 3,250 tonnes surfaced, the Surcouf was 110m long, 7.25m draft, and had a 9m beam. The crew of 8 officers and 110 men had an endurance of 90 days, and could travel to 18,500km at surface an maintain 130km of underwater travel. With an installed generator of two Sulzer diesels driving two screws, she had a top surface speed of 18.5 knots or 5 knots submerged.

At the time of her production she was the largest submarine ever built until surpassed by the Japanese I-400 class submarine aircraft carrier.

Her short career was marked with controversy. When War broke out she was seized by the British for fear of her being captured by the Kreigsmarine, and was crewed by a Free French naval forces team. Her crew was large, three times that of most submarines of the era.

>>31471206
What is the field of fire on those guns?

>>31471051
It had 3 sets of launchers.

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>>31471031
Are you the guy that was asking about ships colliding with ice bergs the other day ?
Pic not related

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>>31471206

After being liberated, she escorted ships from Halifax, Canada, before being damaged by a German aircraft.

She came to America, where she docked in Portsmouth, New Hampshire for a three month refit. She then was Transfered to New London, Connecticut, where she was inspected and underwent additional training.

She want to be part of the Liberation of St. Pierre and Miquelon, and was then transfered to the Pacific theater.

Her ultimate loss came some point in early 1942, but is ultimately unknown. It's though to have been accidently rammed by American steamer Thompson Lykes or
Possibly sunk the the USCG at the mouth of Long Island by way of cutters or a blimp after being caught near U-Boats.

I subscribe to theory the Lykes had hit her, and the 6th Heavy Bomber Group sunk her believing her to be a large axis submarine, the Surcouf probably not appearing in contemporary spotting guides.

My Grandfather was among those who inspected her when she docked in New London and observed gunfire for her, and said it was impressive, to say the least.


>>31471138
You're a submarine, how dare you insult the magistrate of the Surcouf!

>>31471349
kek. What if a Metal Gear landed on a ship? Do they have a contingency plan for that sort of thing?

>>31471349

>Are you the guy that was asking about ships colliding with ice bergs the other day ?

Affirmative.

>>31471375
The Surcouf was considered an incredible technical achievement at the time, but proved to be plaged with technical and reliability issues and suffered poor handling. None the less, her class was doomed to fail in modern Naval combat, but could have proved highly effective in the immediate post-WWI world of combat...had any of significance happened.


>>31471231
I'm not 100% sure. The guns could be elevated a maximum of 70° and this photo suggests a minimal maximum traverse of about 30°.

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>>31471511
Alright ill go fuck myself 4chan.

Do we want more weird ships?
Do subs count?

>>31471524
Ah, that helps for field of fire on the guns.
It looked like the turret was fixed and the guns had to traverse inside.

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There's this fucker.

Looks amazing. Too bad it's a lemon.

>>31469874
why. what's wrong with them?

>>31469178
>>31471146
OK, I read wikipedia and a few other articles and can't work out exactly what this thing does.

It's main role is to track the trajectory of French-launched missiles?

Do the French lack a missile testing site so have to do it over water or something? How does everyone else avoiding needing to buy a equivalent ship?

>>31471608
Only one of the damn things work and it barely goes to sea.

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>>31471615
They don't avoid it. Every serious military nation operates at least one aside from the Brits.

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HMS Hood.

>>31471555
>Am ship
>Rlly guys

>>31471550
It was supposed to, I think, probably support amphibious assaults and sieges in addition to its normal role, so it would need a degree of traverse. I would say not more than 45° of Traverse but I don't think more than 30-35° would be needed.

>>31471615
>How does everyone else avoiding needing to buy a equivalent ship?
They don't?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking_ship

>>31471685
So when the wikipedia article states "Monge is one of the few ships in the world to have this capacity" they really meant lots of countries have one.

>>31471615
Monge serves numerous purposes.
For conventional missiles we do have a dedicated test range in a place named Biscarosse, but for ballistic missiles, well, we don't have nowhere near enough land to build tracking stations, we need something we can place under the trajectory of our tests from the atlantic ocean near france to close-ish to Brazil coast were they impact, always over sea.

It participates as well in the coverage of each and every Ariane Launch, closing our blindspots over the Atlantic without having to built another dedicated station.

And lastly it is said to be quite a spy, able to determine the orbit of pretty much each and every notable thing other countries put in space. It is very unlikely there is a single spy satellite we don't know about, except special low observable Misty-like things, or X-37, probably moving more often than we have spare time to follow it.

Does that help?

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USS West Virginia BB-48.
Colorado Class Battleship, originally was going to be scrapped before completion. Instead this happened to the USS Washington (BB-47).
West Virginia was sunk at Pearl Harbor. Purposely flooded to ensure she sank upright. Re-floated and then modernized far more than the other Colorados.
After rejoining the fight she demonstrated how effective radar-directed gunnery was when she sunk the Japanese Battleship Yamashiro in the Surigao Straight.

>>31471716
Depending on your definition of a "few".

>>31471716
>>31471735
>>31471744

Well oustide of nuclear powers possessing their own ICBMs there is little point in having one. So yes, i'd still qualify that as "few"

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>>31471738
Here's the West Virginia showing the extent of her refit; Completely rebuilt superstructure, new exhaust system, and a massive buff to her secondary weapons and AA firepower.
Closely resembling how the Tennessee Class Battleships were modernized.

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Bringing another ship:

We'll throw six 130mm guns in a steel rod, fill it with 250 Soviet sailors, and launch it along at 44 knots. What could go wrong?

The Soviet Destroyer leader Tashkent was exactly that. Armed with three B-2LM turrets, a pair of 76mm AA Guns, six 37mm AA Guns, six DSHk 12.7mm Machine Guns, 9 533mm torpedoes and 80 mines, the Tashkent was a fast, well armed and well ranged ship, displacing 3200 tonnes.

Painted in a beautiful Cobalt blue, she came to be called the Blue Ship by Soviet Navy sailors.

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>>31469890
To add, in carriers the space that would normally be allocated to bunkering fuel for the ship can now be used for aviation fuel, which iirc is the main factor in endurance.


I would say a very unique ship would be the Ekaterina class Ironclads of the Imperial Russian Navy,

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>>31471989

The Tashkent was the first and lead ship of a class that was intended to be six strong, but war outbreak broke that hope, making her the soul member.

Steaming along under 130,000 horsepower by two turbines, she escorted 17 transports without loss, steamed 27,000nm, carried in her career 19,300 people, 2,538 tons of ammunition, food, and other goods into Sevastopol. She launched 100 main gun bombardment, silenced 6 batteries and damaged one airfield, downed and damaged 13 enemy aircraft, and Sank a torpedo boat.

She sunk 1942 after being bombed by a JU-87 28 June 1942, reached port, but foundered 2 July 1942.

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>>31470145
An odd procurement for a country at peace.
Is Australia's recent procurment of LPDs and this indicate that they are interested in the Natural Gas fields off of East Timor/ in competition with Indonesia for influence there?


The Terror-class monitors were definitely unique.

>>31472056
>which iirc is the main factor in endurance
Depends on type and tempo of operations.

Could be food, could be avgas, could be munitions. Just depends what you're expending, and UNREP is scheduled beforehand, anyway. Not really an "as we need it" kind of thing.

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>>31464046

This thing.

Why would you buy a ramped carrier when you've got no STOVL aircraft?

>>31472119
Didn't bother to redesign it.

Hypothetically it might let them operate F-35Bs in the future if they ever decide to.

>>31472094
More like South China Sea.

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USS top heavy

>>31472201

Sensible chuckle.

>>31469388
How much for that?

>>31472239
300 yen.

>>31471031
They're revolvers

The magazines

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>>31469874

Don't tell me what I want

>>31471635

Is that really your reason?

First, it's the Ruskies, don't be surprised their big behemoth didn't work or wasn't able to be run affordably (this happens to like 90% of the shit they put out).

Second, it was an active choice because it simply wasn't necessary. You have a bigger, slower, more expensive to operate and more man-power required vessel that does the exact same job and has, for all intents and purposes, the exact same capabilities as a modern missile destroyer.

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>>31471780

> that dazzle camo

muh dick

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>>31470666
>The Canucks started killing every German POW they could get their hands on.

I know those poor fuckers probably had nothing to do with it, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that was extremely satisfying.

>>31470459
Imagine every bleeding heart in Europe screaming at you at once and sanctioning at the same time.

Meanwhile the US napalms one or two of your hospitals.

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>>31472610
Being German meant they were guilty, friend.

>>31472201
Bet that was a fun place to stand during rudder hard-over

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>>31464046

The Karel Doorman.

Think of it as a combination of an amphibious dock and a replenishment vessel. Not really heavily armed except in comparison to other replenishment vessels.

http://products.damen.com/en/ranges/joint-support-ship/joint-support-ship

>>31469388
WANT. That's some Black Lagoon shit right there.

>>31470666
>murder/k/ube trips of dead pows confims
never heard of the hospital ship, but I did hear that we had it out for the SS in Europe, did some digging and found this:

During the 1944 fighting in Normandy, just after D-Day, the 12th SS Panzer Division, "Hitler Jugend", massacred approximately one hundred and forty Canadian prisoners of war in several separate incidents. These were not "heat of battle" killings. The prisoners were collected and transported to a headquarters or similar position and methodically murdered. For the rest of the war in Northwest Europe there were extremely few living Waffen SS prisoners taken by Canadian troops even though a great deal of their combat was against SS formations.
I've been told anecdotally by a man who participated in that fighting as a member of the Royal Regiment Of Canada that any SS they encountered were simply shot out of hand.
The Canadian infantry in Northwest Europe suffered the highest casualties per capita of any Allied infantry in Europe during WW2. This was due to the nature of the fighting they did which was very basic down and dirty infantry combat against a dug in enemy on the left flank of the Allied line. The bitterness of this type of fighting may also have resulted in a certain "take no prisoners" attitude among Canadian troops.

>>31472119
>Why would you buy a ramped carrier when you've got no STOVL aircraft?

You might if you were planning for that possibility in the future.

>>31472094
>"please scuttle me it hurts to live"

>>31469388
They really crammed as much shit as they could on that tiny hull.

>>31471635
That is more of a maintenance reason. Ivan pretty much went from "world class military" to fallen-empire mode.

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HMS Dreadnought

>>31469874
Space Battleship Slavato

>>31473080
USS Fabulous, baby!

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IJN's Kongou

>>31476196
Haruna is better

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>>31476196
Haruna is on 1st place

>>31476196
Kongou ? never heard

>>31476196
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>>31476270

Stop with yout autistic stuff, i'm already flooded by this when i play World of Warships

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>>31476287
Haruna is still better

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>>31476287

But senpai, they are indeed unique warships...

Poi~!

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>>31476256
That's a funny way to spell "Desu".

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>>31476196
stop posting anytime.

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>>31467458
If you're referring to the all-forward turret configuration, that's not particularly unique.