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Simplest Bolt Action Rifle Bolt

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I just watched this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ECJea6jyA

The MAS-36 has an extremely simple bolt. Even more so than many other comparable rifles. Are there any historical bolt action rifles with simpler bolts?
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Arisaka bolt is literally 4 parts and take down is just a twist of the safety.
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The vetterli had a very simple bolt system, but im not sure if its THAT simple. And some of the straight pull designs were suprisingly simple too.
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>>31460811
There is also the Dryse Needle Gun, but only paper cartridges.
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>>31460824
Those are so cool to me.
I always loved how they made the powder burn front to back in the cartridge.
Also i feel like clearing a jam with a paper cartridge is a million times easier than a brass or steel case.
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>>31460777
czech em
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Some black powder rifle bolts are even simpler, they don't have locking lugs and simply lock by the bolt handle
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>>31460927
Any specific examples? Particularly ones with metallic cartridges.
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>>31460777
Still 1 part more than the Mas and disassembly/reassembly is more complicated.
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>>31460335

>lugs at the rear of the bolt

Fuck receiver stretching shit.
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>>31460335
I think the Mosin-Nagant bolt is fairly simple.

The Mauser bolt is simple to take apart (ignoring the claw extractor), but I find it hard to reassemble if you don't have a German K98 (German rifles have a hole for placing the firing pin during reassembly).
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>>31461809
MAS-36 is simpler than both Mosin and Mauser bolts
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>>31461932
oui?
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>>31460335
Are you trying to make a homemade rifle familia?
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>>31463297
:^)
....sshhh
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>>31460335
Enfield bolts are pretty simple.
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>>31460335
Dunno if any rifle had it but I always thought that you can have bolthandle-locked bolt if you wanted.
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>>31463439
With smokeless powder? Not if you like your hands/face.
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>>31463452
Make thick fucking bolt handle it'll work.
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>>31463452
Rimfires have a bolt handle lock only. He never said it had to be a centrefire
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I do enjoy my Arisaka bolt over all my other bolt actions.

Fucking kraut space magic on my mauser
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I think it's the krag, smoothest action ever.
I'd like if they still made krags in 6.5, finding a good sporter is a pain.
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The simplest bolt I've ever seen is your run-of-the-mill nameless .22, we call them "Flauberts" around here. There are a shitton of those around and the bolt is literally a drilled piece of roundstock with a spring steel extractor and a free-floating firing pin.
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So... why aren't more rifles made on the MAS-36 action? Seems cheap to make right?
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>>31463765
Because it was the last issued bolt action rifle outside of Ishapore SMLE.

Paying $10 more for machining Mauser-style action doesn't matter if you sell it to general consumer who won't mind paying $20 more for the rifle, but it's more common so every fudd and his offspring knows how to deal with it due to repeated surpluses of Spanish/Turkish/German Mausers, M1903 and Arisaka.
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>>31463397
>Removable bolt head

Get out.
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>>31463807
I wish they were more common. MAS-36's look like they could be run over by a tank and still fire.
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>>31463765
The French still use it, but it never caught on elsewhere

Mauser action is simply the most prolific action, for better or worse
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>>31463765
There's a few MAS receivers floating around for cheap. I was considering having a custom MAS made in a more common, smaller caliber, but it would wind up costing as much if nor more than a purpose built gun in said caliber when it's done due to all the work that has to go into it.
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>>31463847
I've heard that the sights are a bitch an a half to zero
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>>31464012
You can't adjust them on the rifle to adjust windage. You have to pick entirely different rear sight parts (pic related).
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>>31460335
GO AWAY ALEX SHILL SOMEWHERE ELSE
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>>31463838
>having an issue with that when there is no downside.

You leave.
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>>31463452
I have a Gras converted in 8mm Lebel, without any kind of locking lugs. It werks.
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>>31460335
Shill somewhere else Alex
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>>31463592
You've never shot a Greek Mannlicher. Makes a Krag feel like your dragging your finger through a blender.
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>>31464056
>>31464911
>Shilling
>For a gun that hasn't been made in 60 years by a now defunct company that can't import to America anyways
Uh huh.
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>>31463526
You may want to look a little closer.
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>>31463765
There were.

First, the FRF1 (1966/1989) which was based on a MAS 36 action. Then its little brother the FRF2 (1986-today, will be replaced by HK417) which was based on a modified FRF1 action.

Also to be noted, the FRG1 and FRG2, being FRF1 and FRF2 parts (barrel, stock, bipod...) fitted on a MAS 36 receiver and action. Originally designed at providing some poor branches in the french army and air force with a cheap 7.62 bolt action comparable to the more expensive FRF's, only a handful of them were produced, and a few hundreds of them ended in civillian hands.

Nowadays this action, while interesting on some points, is simply outdated, and not as largely produced as the Rem700 for example, to be found in more rifles.

The last remaining military small arms manufacturer in France, PGM precision (which isn't an armorer per se, just a manufacturer, since two of the three founders left the company and not a single new design was introduced since, except modernisations and variations) uses its own proprietary action, which is quite good and on par with most of the modern military bolt action manufacturers.
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Winchester 67.

There's only like 6 parts to the entire gun. Bolt and all.
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>>31463657
.22 Flobert/CB gallery guns?
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>>31465037
Shilling his shitty channel.
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>>31460927
I have a fear of a rifle bolt flying backwards through my face.
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>>31463592
the extractor is pretty complex.
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>>31460335
Why aren't forward-swept bolts the norm?
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>>31467971
Because no other nation is as much of a loser nation as the French.
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>>31460927
>and simply lock by the bolt handle
Seems like a great way to die
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>>31468243
This. I instantly lose respect for anyone owning a "gun" made by a cuck, loser nation like Sweden, France or Italy.

People with such toys should not even be considered gun owners.
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>>31460335
> trusting the french
> trusting french made firearms

>>31460927
the first enfields had no locking lugs, just bolt handle
if I remeber correctly most of the needleguns used that kind of mechanic too
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Mannlicher M95 "Ruck-Zuruck"
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>>31468432
skip the "ru" and you have it
it´s called Ruck Zuck
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Winchester 67

Used by the Home Guard during WW2.
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>>31461002
The Gewehr 71 worked like that.
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>>31468489
Well yeah but the actual word is Zuruck with an umlaut over the second u, but it's often shorted to Ruck-Zuck
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