Ncr Ranger

>>31459098
Yes

>>31459098
>Survival expert, able to live off the land in a desert wasteland
>Expert marksmen
>Extreme dedication and focus
>Legendary fieldcraft
>Ambushes, wetwork, hostage recovery, assassination.

They're the guys we need on the ground against ISIS.

>>31459098
Give them modern gear and weapons, they'll fight like Green Berets.

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>>31459098
>>31459250
>>31459362
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>>31459393
>>31459427
>video games

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>>31459443
And your point is

>>31459098
He'd probably sell the gas mask/face part of his helmet for caps to get with a prostitute within a week

>>31459362
joshua is literally the most /pol/ fictional character in existence

He is and should be an inspiration to us all

>>31459892
And he's Mormon no less

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>>31459098
Basically everything this guy said >>31459393

Combine that with the fact that only top-tier veteran rangers actually get the black armour, these dudes would be basically untouchable IRL.

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>>31459892

>>31459362
the only reason I liked him was that i aspire to have his gun collection and his retirement plan
>not spending the rest of your days cleaning 20 1911s

>LEVER ACTION FIREARMS AND REVOLVERS
>in a world where automatics and semis are more common

My only real complaint.

>>31461364
> not wanting a repeater to gun down legion scum

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>>31459443

>>31461364
Lever guns being out gunned easily I agree with but a revolver isn't a bad choice at all given that shitty ammo will be common in the nuclear wasteland full of scavenged supplies. You can pop a squib out and shoot a handful of similar cartridges. A 9, .38, .357 would be easy to feed.

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>>31459362

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>>31459362
>>31463390
>Using the Vanilla skin
Absolutely heretical.

>>31463510
The Burning Man is the vidya personification of /k/

not nearly as effective as the legion veterans

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>>31463595
Caesar please go

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>>31463544
That he is
>casually has a conversation with you while cleaning and inspecting 1911s
>All without missing a beat
While I thought Honest Hearts could've used a bit more content and action (fucking loved (and admittedly teared up a bit) reading the journal fragments of Randall Clark), they nailed Joshua Graham as a character.

>>31463390
4 u

>>31463644
caeser is sick and is gonna die soon

if i take care of lanius, which i know i can do from playing the game with the ncr, then i'll become caesar

i could control an entire army, easily, and if i don't blow up the securitrons, that's an army of robots for free.

literally the best solution

>>31461364
I think manual action reliability is important given the setting

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>>31463510
Including a few more screens of the legend. I've used multiple ENBs in the past, but each work well with him.

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>>31461364
Is there literally any practical reason for Lever actions with today's metallurgy? At all?

>>31463801
>tfw the "9mm pistol" you get at the beginning of the game could be 350 years old

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>>31463801

>>31463815
Because they're fucking cool.

>>31463823
does anyone have a .gif of this?

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>>31463817
>tfw you're banging around post-nuclear Mojave with guns and gear that are most likely hundreds of years older than you
>and still working
Then again there is the Gun Runners, and the NCR manufactures its ARs in-house so it would stand to reason there is some small-arms industries that exist in the post-nuclear world.

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>>31463834
Someone does, unfortunately I did not save it.
>>31463837

>>31463815
Flip-cocking

>>31463829
Being sexy af is not a practical reason.

Not saying people shouldn't buy them or that they're not fun - just wondering if there was any advantage that might make you take one over a bolt or semiauto for non-range use.

>>31459892
>joshua is literally the most /pol/ fictional character in existence

>wants to protect the local Indians from crackhead rednecks from Arkansas
>/pol/
you have to pick one

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>>31463834
Kinda

>>31463870

Using common rimmed magnum revolver cartridges and having ammunition interchangeability with your sidearm.

A modern rifle is still superior in certain ways, but if you're just looking to burn some .357 or .44 with surprisingly good ballistics, or sufficiently hot .45 Colt, then there's an argument to be made for them.

Also, there's lever-actions available in .460 S&W and .500 S&W, and you can probably get wicked fast follow-up shots with them.

>>31463815
Because it's what you have and it's reliable.

If you find a gun in Fallout, even if it's not a great one, it gives you a big advantage over people who don't have them. Some areas just plain don't make new guns.

>>31464090
This. Its a world where a major army uses machetes. Any gun is an advantage.

>>31459443
Admit it anon. If you got an outfit exactly like the Veteran Rangers you'd operate the FUCK out of it too.

>>31463682
Cool NCR Veterans with that bitching armor>The Legion and their dog humpers

>>31463740
This some fan made film?

>>31464199
Possiby a pre-release trailer.

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>>31464090
Except the NCR specifically does make new guns. Lever actions are simpler to make though - don't need the same quality of metal that you do for a modern semi-automatic for one thing.

>>31463886
Ah ok that makes a lot of sense.

Though I suppose theoretically you could the same advantage from a tube-fed semi if you built one. Or if you carried a revolver in a rimless cartridge like pic related.

>>31464335
The NCR has service rifles for its troops, and they do make their own stuff. The ones you see using lever guns or double barreled shotguns in the game use them because their logistics are so fucked, and military so overextended they can't make enough guns to put into their conscript's hands.

Legion and random Mojave settlers use revolvers and lever guns because they're tough enough to still be working and they're what they had laying around, neither the Mojave pre-NCR or the Legion seem to have much in the way of gunsmithing ability.

>>31463815
How else am I supposed to shoot 45-70?

>>31463815
Slightly faster to cycle than a bolt action, can use lower powered loads without fear of the gun not cycling, and it looks cool. Might as well just have a reliable semi-auto if all you care about is practicality though.

Where did the legion find so many lawnmowers to take blades from?

>>31459098
If you mean the army as a whole, they're a bunch of dumb retards that need a random courier to get their fucking shit together for them. The rangers are pretty cool though. Still the best looking armor in the series.

>>31463544
>not Randall Clark operatin innawoods with a .50 Beowulf AR, singlehandedly taking on over a hundred vault dwellers

>>31464604

Remember, they came from the East, outside the Mojave.

>>31464609
>If you mean the army as a whole, they're a bunch of dumb retards that need a random courier to get their fucking shit together for them.
That's literally everybody though

>Still the best looking armor in the series.
Debatable, just for NV I always thought the Centurion armor looked cooler; the scrapped together, asymmetry was top-tier and it being made from trophies of badass opponents was great. As for series wide, Maxson's Battlecoat was baller as hell, perfect bane aesthetic and great protection.

>>31464654
Honestly if the courier had no part in the story the legion probably would have won, out of everyone they had their shit together the most, the NCR were stretched way too thin and had way too many problems on their end that needed some outsiders help, and of course without the chip Benny and House were basically non-entities.

>>31459393
"Wetwork"

I don't think getting paid to pee on people is very helpful in a combat situation.
.

>>31464673
Eh, maybe, I always figured that the NCR would win in a straight fight but the odds even out after taking into account their sabotage plots. Though I'd still put my money on the NCR because the dam being the place where fighting would be focused means artillery and air support would slaughter the Legion.

>>31463870
>.22 repeater
>able to switch between S/L/LR with ease
>makes shooting varmints such a breeze

>>31464673
Ncr would have creamed them. Lanius is not a great planner

>>31465098
>>31464673
The idea was that in a direct confrontation the NCR would've been curbstomped because that's not what the Rangers are for, but the Legion wouldn't have held New Vegas for long because the NCR would've engaged in massive guerrilla warfare, against an enemy that doesn't use modern medicine or advanced technology (like grenades, or IEDs)

>>31459098
Very

>>31465192
It's awfully hard to out-skill a grenade. It makes sense not to use such things for the hierarchy they have established;

>>31465192
Add to that the fact that some of the options that you use to talk Lanius out of the fight is to remind him that the Legion lacks the resources and the man power to flat out defeat the NCR, especially after drawing so much of their limited resources into this one battle. And when you consider that the only way they really reinforce their ranks is to absorb tribes of people, they'd be absolutely fucked when they try to take over an area of land where almost all the people are living under the one flag of the NCR.
Sure, the legion would win the Dam, but they'd lose the war.

>>31464687
You'd be surprised how well a moral offense works

>>31465192
The legion do use grenades though

>>31464673
No
Sawyer made it so that without the courier it's a perfect stalemate, that was his whole point, you're supposed to tip the balance
The legion is fucking gasy as fuck anyway, authoritarian cocksucking assholes who bitch about degeneracy then have high ranking commanding officers break those rules about not doing drugs or alchol and not fucking boys in the ass (but hey at least those rule breakers things are way more romanlike than anything else in the legion)

>>31459892
>not Randall Clark the hardest of cunts

>>31465449
Not to mention the caesar will die from brain cancer without the courier.

His strategy and leadership were pretty much the only thing preventing the legion from splintering into bands of raiders.

Legate lanius doesnt seem like the type to have any plan except "LOOT! PILLAGE! KILL!"

It would be like when alexander the great or gengis khan died. They dont stop being dangerous to their neighbors, hellenesian influence throughout persia continued for centuries, and the Mongols raided the shit outta people for a while, but they quit REALLY CONQUERING much of anybody.

Without the charismatic leader to manage the empire things start going to shit pretty quickly.

Legate Lanius would just grind up the empire to fuel his bloodlust until he caught a .50 cal stug to the face and the legion would degenerate into another raider gang.

>>31466158
How did no one take him down before

>>31466913
He was out east beating on other tribals, better question is how neither he nor Caesar got picked off from a vertibird or had artillery dropped on them.

>>31467058
I think they didn't stay in one place for too long

>>31467185
They were parked on Fortification Hill and had no anti-air defense, there was nothing stopping the NCR from just pointing a fat-man straight down.

>>31467058
iirc the only faction with artillery would be boomers, not to mention i dont think NCR can get close enough to mortar the base

>>31464613

>Not wanting to play the Great Game with Desmond from Point Lookout

>>31467211
In a world where "sub" machine guns are available in 12.7 mm (those are prominent in the legion camp), I'm not sure I would fly a Vertibird up to it.

>>31467322
They have shit range and vertibird san take missiles, again, there's nothing stopping the NCR from bombing the place using them.

>>31467211
Fusion batteries for Vertibirds don't come around every day, no matter what Bethesda wants. Manufacturing Vertibirds for that matter isn't a given either in case at least one of those legionnaires have a missile launcher.

>>31467962
Factories are still around but at most it would be firearms. Maybe some land vehicles

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>>31463595
Legion veterans get fucked by 70+ survival rad child dudes with toughness perks and skin armour, running on drugs and 800 rads cramming a continous stream of food into his face as he fights.

Last time I ran into a bunch of those fags I think I was naked with a baseball bat.

>>31467058
>>31467211
The real reason is that NCR General Oliver didn't want him dead.

If he died the Legion might dissolve or lose effectiveness, and Oliver wanted a stand up fight he could win in a glorious and bloody spectacle to forever cement himself as a military legend.

Oliver being a glory hound idiot explains 90% of the problems the NCR has in the Mojave.

>>31469207
>tfw no quest to assassinate Oliver to get him replaced by Hsu

>>31463390
Tell me about Graham why does he wear bandages?

>>31469300
Caesar burned him alive and threw him into the canyon

>>31469317
Not getting the joke are you?

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>>31469375


... No.


Am ashamed.

>>31469741
tell me about bane, why does he wear the mask

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>>31469966
Ah, I got it.

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>>31459443
>normies

>>31464199
Look up the guys who made Nuka Break. They did one about Lanius and maybe more.

>>31464613
And he almost killed himself with a grenade by throwing it in an enclosed space. That's pretty /k/

>>31461364
Manually operated firearms using straight wall cartridges would make a lot of sense in that situation though, at least from a civilian perspective in an area where regular shipments of new manufactured ammunition can't be relied on. As manually operated actions are less sensitive to shitty reloads (you can even easily run them on black powder) and straight walled cartridges can be reloaded many more times before failing, especially if you load lighter which a manual action would be better for.

>>31463815
>faster follow up shots than a bolt action
>.357 magnum and .44 magnum have about as similar energy to 5.56 and .308 at the muzzle
>some models like the Rossi M92 in .357/.44 weigh under 5 lbs

>>31470932
Forgot, manual actions also don't throw your brass everywhere so you can easily collect it.

>>31464673

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgw3NgYTR6U

I mean, I don't necessarily agree with everything this guy says, but I just don't see the Legion sticking together after Caesar's death. Maybe they keep winning while he's alive, but the Legion won't be able to hold against the combination of infighting and external pressure that'll follow his death.

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>>31459098

whats the difference between those guys and these guys?

ive always liked the patrol armor more

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>>31471406 the guys with the gas masks are the elite of the elite while the guys in your picture are a step below them and the ones in my pic are a step below them. I read a lot about fallout lore.

NCR is killing the Desert Rangers.

>>31471406
The patrol armor is an NCR thing while the riot gear is a remnant of the Rangers who were in the Mojave before the NCR got there.

>>31473230

Whut? The Rangers joined the NCR as a mostly-autonomous military outfit.

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>>31474529

>>31463815
.45-70

Brotherhood of Steel is still the bestest.

>>31467322
the 12.7 is a cut down 50 cal

>>31475615
They seem to have forgotten their initial motivation though.

It's sad really, they spend most of the time sitting in their bunker waiting until the day they decide to rebuild the world, and everyone topside got tired of waiting and started rebuilding it without them.

>>31475716
Their initial motivation was keeping technology out of dangerous hands though, not exactly rebuilding, that's what the Vaults are for.

This is why they are a very secretive group.

>>31475722
Still, seems outdated. Keeping tech out of the hands of dangerous or ignorant people 'read: everyone but us' made sense when the brotherhood was young, when everyone was either a violent raider gang or small town yokels at best just trying to survive. Even into Fallout 1 that was how most of the world was.

But by where the series is now, there are legitimate civilizations rising across the wasteland, with the right standing and intelligence to use this stuff responsibly, but the Brotherhood generally still looks at them as ignorant savages that need to be controlled or have their shiny tech taken away from them.

Their ideology served its purpose, but it seems that they're sticking to what originally made sense at the time not because it makes sense now, but because by this point they're just blindly devoted to generations old dogma.

>>31475740
By all the means, the legions are savages, and the Brotherhood got a dispute with the NCR over the use of technology.

So they are still sticking with their Codex cuz the civilization right now aren't worthy of these tech.

>>31475740
That's the point desu

They, and the Enclave, represent holdover, failed ideologies from an earlier time. The BoS specifically believes that a Hobbesian governmental body should control the world's powerful items, including weapons, in order to stop the constant violence. That idea doesn't really work when everyone needs to fight to survive or is living hand to mouth.

>>31464552
Bolt action 45-70 can safely get much higher pressures.

>>31463848
Hold up does the barrel on a 1911 actually come that far forward when the slide is back?

>>31475753
Legion, granted, the NCR though is hardly 'unworthy'. While I don't like them terribly much it's not like they're so inept as to likely cause a disaster. Like them or not they're a legitimate nation with a lot of people, a working industrial base and the technical know-how to at least run Hoover Dam, build railways and so forth.

The Brotherhood still acts like they're spear chucking tribals though.

The one that's worse though is Maxson's east coast Brotherhood, outright extorting civilians at gunpoint and considering themselves the sole arbiter of what humanity is allowed to achieve or invent. While they're often not bad individually, the group as a whole is a bunch of self righteous jackasses.

>>31475775
Yeah. Like I said it made sense at the time to take dangerous tech away from the post nuclear savages who had no idea how to use it safely. But that's been their way for so long that now it's become entrenched dogma totally divorced from any actual reason to act like that. It may still sometimes be the correct move, but they're not doing it because it makes sense anymore, just because it's their way and if you're not one of them your life is almost worthless in their eyes.

>>31475793
It doesn't even look like the slide is back. Look the front of the slid is still flush with the frame. That model is fucked up. If you look at the webm posted above you can see that the actual animation is perfectly normal.

>>31475813
The Brotherhood disagrees with how the NCR's handling of technology, they even fought a war over it.

Though I'm not sure the cause.

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>>31475740
no one besides the enclave, BoS, and institute is beyond Africa tier regarding civilization.

you're talking subsistence farmers with nuclear weapons here. The largest societies are townships outside of "player character" taking over everything

imagine 3 generations post internet for most normies who don't have 6 books in thier house. if they don't teach their children math, literature, and science you're looking at culture death in 20 years and savages with modern trappings inheriting things they don't understand or can control.

>>31475829
The lore on it is vague, and it partly comes from the cancelled Van Buren game.

The general understanding based on what we have is that the Brotherhood leadership of the time wanted to control literally all forms and examples of advanced technology in the wasteland and set about aggressively confiscating anything more advanced than a lightbulb from everyone they could find.

The NCR did not take kindly to the Brotherhood raiding and looting its towns and a war swiftly broke out which ended badly for the Brotherhood.

That illustrates my point, some of them think that literally every single example of tech, no matter how well its being used by the current owner, should be gathering dust in their store rooms and they'll shove a laser rifle in your face or just straight up kill you to make it happen.

>>31475837
Leaving aside that you didn't mention the NCR, which like them or not are an advanced and advancing civilization, nobody is ever going to be able to advance past their current level if the BoS keeps showing up and taking all the tech, books, and shooting anyone who disagrees.

In fact it would actively make people want to stay ignorant because they know if you get too smart or actually try to make any tech work for you the Brotherhood will kick your door down and take it from you.

Look at how they slaughter members of the Followers to prevent the off chance that some of their precious knowledge was leaked, or how the east coast BoS 'requisitions' supplies by shoving guns in farmer's faces and demanding they comply or die.

>>31475867
they want to protect people from old world tech, not stop human progress.

look at FO:NV
>BoS faction almost gets itself exterminated trying to keep the NCR faggots from getting access to a fucking orbital satellite laser
>entirety of commiefornia can't muster enough brain cells to get it to work, or even know about it

the NCR are getting thier shit together, but FO doesn't get across the fact that literally every person you meet is dumber than a kindergartener outside of rare settlements/shady sands.

it's a prime directive type of thing. Like how the introduction of automatic weapons into a stone age society like sub saharan africa has stagnated their development and fucked their society.

>>31475903
At this point, let's just agree to disagree, I don't feel like arguing anymore and neither of us is going to change their stance.

>>31475851
Well the brotherhood usually take the dangerous tech away and let them keep somewhat simple things

>>31475722
>That's what the vaults are for
You ever play the games?

>>31475851
Brotherhood ruined the value of NCR dosh

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All those gun mods

>>31471406

>>31473348 This

The rangers in patrol armor are from California and have been part of the NCR military for a while. The badass elite rangers with the dusters over riot gear are the Desert Rangers of Nevada who agreed to be absorbed into the NCR in exchange for the NCR helping to defend the Mojave from Caesar's Legion. That's what the giant monument at Mojave Outpost commemorates. When you reach a high enough level for elite rangers to show up, you can hear NPC mention it being "a ranger family reunion".

>>31475615

The Brotherhood of Steel are a bunch of self-righteous, gun-grabbing faggots who are all but extinct on the west coast. Good riddance.

>>31475903

To be fair, the two project heads the NCR sent to figure out the orbital laser were the ones stalling it. The first one because he was an undercover Follower of the Apocalypse, and the other because he was a literal retard.

And good luck finding out the designator was in the hands of some random kid.

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>>31474483
I know it's more or less an animation shortcut, but that last, tight, spin before he places it on the good pile just looks so nice.

>>31459098
>Arizona Desert Rangers have a crappy derivative aesthetic, especially with le nioght vision helmut
>New Cali Rangers actual armour has weird dimensions, overly thick and bulky in all sorts of places, looks more like hockey gear than operatin kevlar vests
>regular Ranger outfit is just generic cowshit with radios

I know Obsidian weren't working with a lot, but I think their art department is really uninspired, possibly the only thing Bethesda can actually do better than them at (though not by much)

Vidya needs the writing standards of Treyarch with the art standards of Eidos Montreal at a fucking minimum

>>31480432
>Vidya needs the writing standards of Treyarch

How do you expect them to bite when the bait is so low quality?

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>>31475837
>fallout 4 education everybody

>>31480770
The veteran ranger design had a lot of old school fans happy because it's directly based on the character description of Tycho, the ranger companion from Fallout 1.

Gas mask, duster coat, old trusty gun.