Browning Hi-Power VS. M1911

>>31452570

I prefer the 1911. If I want a higher capacity 9mm there are a lot better choices than the hi power.

>higher firepower
>less ft/s

>>31452570
Just ordered my Hi Power off AIM

Love both. Browning was amazing.

>>31452570

Own both. Hi-Power by miles, but my 1911 may be a Springfield lemon. I get noticeable setback every time I chamber a round. I've tried many different makes of cartridges and the problem persists. Sent it to Springfield and they said they couldn't replicate the problem so I'm stuck with it for now.

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>>31452570
I always thought of the Hi Power like a "female" handgun and the 1911 like a "male" handgun. Get into the .25, .32 and .380 Browning handgun designs and they are like children and teenagers.

The Hi Power is chambered in a small caliber, but the design is beautiful, an elegant female that doesn't kick very hard. She's slightly illogical in design with the weird see-saw trigger transfer lever in the slide and the magazine safety, but that hasn't interfered with her job of keeping men company throughout Europe for 70+ years.

The 1911 is a modern marvel of engineering, perfect even 100+ years later, and is chambered in a big, muscular caliber. Artisan gunsmiths spent hours and hours building 1911's in the early days and passed their expertise on to their successors through rigorous rote and training. The 1911 defended soldiers' lives in every war that America won.

Personally, I prefer shooting Hi Powers because the grip just feels more ergonomic to my hand, it balances great, the trigger is great (when you remove the mag safety) and the recoil is extremely mild. It was what really introduced me to speed shooting and taught me that I was actually not that bad of a shot. Pic mostly somewhat unrelated.

>>31452633
Why the fuck didn't you buy a Colt?

>>31452689
YOU SON OF A FUCKING WHORE

>>31452689
FUCKING GIF\
good observations, but fuck your image.

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>>31452703
>>31452826

Definitely the Hi-Power

>>31452570
Hi Power without question. Simply look at the history of both and you will see that world has voted in favor of the hi power as well.

>>31455526
1911's are only popular with autists and fudds, with a little work the hi power is definitively the better pistol. Out of the box, even surplus hi powers that have been kicked to shit are more reliable than the bulk of 1911s out on the market today. And if you get a real 1911 not one of a million clones that will have decent reliability and QC, its easily breaking 900 dollaroos.

>>31452582
>>higher firepower
>>less ft/s
A 6mm BB travels approx. 300 fps. My fist travels significantly slower, due to the increased mass. Which one hurts you more?

>>31452574
Same
and..
1911 is better looking
1911 has a better trigger
1911 can have a beavertail to avoid hammer bite

>>31455578
My 1911 was $1,100 (msrp $1,200), being cheap isn't their claim to fame but it shits all over your hi point that needed work. Oh, did I say hi point? Sorry, I get them confused easily.

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Why not both

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>>31452570
does the design of the hi power disgust anyone else? the 1911 is beautiful, but there's something off about the hi power. it looks fucking hideous. i can't put my finger on it but every time I see it I feel a tinge of disgust. i'm sure it shoots well..but I can't get over this.

As a yurokek, I'm obliged to say Hi-Power.

1911s are for Americans, Hi-Powers are for everyone else.

>>31455578
This is why I went with the hi power. So many countries still use them, it's amazing.

>>31456541
Bait

>>31452570

the Hi-Power is the more modern of the two designs so I would probably opt for that instead

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I like both.

>>31456962
Oh man, that Cz tickles my pickle.

>>31452689
Haha, I just tried to wipe it off. Nice try.

>>31456541
Bait, spending more than 1000 dollars on a pistol is retarded, hope you kimber piece of shit jams on you and jamal rapes you with his hi power, oh sorry, I mean hi point, jamals couldnt afford one.

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>>31457362
>you
Stay poor and angry.
Some of us like nice things; not kimber.

>>31456633
I feel just the opposite actually. I hate that little flare at the front of the 1911 slide, but I love it on the hi power.

>>31456541
>thinking a $1,200 pistol makes it good
Kek

>>31456977
Slav shit

>>31455614
Unless your fist is 200ths of an inch bigger than a bb, than a bb, I you are a goddamn retard.

>>31457444
>Expensive equals nice

Nice Fallacy there, your the reason people bitch about a 15$ minimum wage and cant afford food for their kids but will buy the new iPhone every month.

>>31455578
>Implying good Hi-powers aren't $1k also.

>>31459037
This just sold earlier today.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/586388047

>Hi Power Sport in perfect condition
>$500 + shipping

It was relisted at least once before getting that one bid. I would have bought it myself if I had the money right now.

>>31452570
>Which do you prefer?
Hi Power.
>Why is one better than the other?
because Browning.
>Are they both viable options?
yes.
>Is the higher firepower worth the trade-off in capacity?
fuddy faav stoppan powah is a bullshit myth.

>>31459107
I love this
>hurrdurr, the only reason someone someone would prefer a 45 acp is because of this strawman

>>31459131
What other reason is there to prefer one?
Most any gun in 45 is also available in 9mm. the only real reason to opt for the larger calibre is that you think that it will have significantly better terminal effect

9mm offers higher capacity and faster followup shots for the same size with proper defensive ammunition the difference in individual hit performance is marginal, and the crappy power and penetration of all pistol rounds makes multiple hits and good shot placement key, 45 only makes sense in states where magazine capacity is restricted, so you may as well have that marginal increase in power if you're going to be restricted to 10 shots anyway

>>31459178
>individual hit performance is marginal

>bullets expanding to 32%~ greater diameter with equal penetration is marginal

>>31459037
A $500 Hi-Power is going to perform a lot better than a $500 1911

>>31452570
1911. It's sexier.

>>31459197
>Difference between shit and 32% better than shit but still quite shit

>>31459178
Most people like 1911's because of the nice trigger. Even though I praise the Hi Power a lot (I am >>31452689), a stock Colt Government model has a much nicer, easier-to-shoot trigger than a stock Hi Power.

>>31452570
I have and enjoy both, but prefer the 1911 due to the patent avoidance trigger fuckery the 1935 had to endure.

The Hi Power is undoubtedly the more modern arm, but my 1911 has given me less trouble over a far higher round count.

Which isn't to say that my Hi Power is shitty, but my early production Kimber Warrior chokes less than my gen 3 Glock 19 does.

>>31459246
You know that Glock doesn't make a Hi Power model, right?

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I prefer how the Hi Power shoots and I think it's a much better design than the 1911.

>>31459256
You need to re-read.

I mentioned 3 pistols I own, a 1911 (Kimber Warrior), a Hi Power (Mk.2 with Mk.3 ambi safety), and a Glock 19 (Gen 3).

The Kimber Warrior is the most reliable of the three handguns, in terms of stoppages per thousand rounds.

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I've only shot a 1911 a few times but I own a Hi-Power. The only thing I would change about the Hi-Power is the grip panels and spring loaded drop free magazines, both aftermarket parts.

I think the Hi-Power would be perfect as a single-stack .45, though.

>>31459396
this is mine >>31456623
All I did is remove the magazine disconnect now the mag drops free very well, no issue.

>>31459416
Mine's an old Nazi-Occupation model and they apparently weren't too keen on that. The pin has been either welded on or permanently fixed another way.

As for the "gritty" triggers folks always talk about that can be mostly fixed with polishing the mag and mag disconnect.

>>31459453
I thought my trigger was good before I removed it. After I removed it was even nicer. But mines a 70's make.

The biggest improvement was just putting the wilson combat spring set in it.

I wish someone made HiPowers with rails. Anyone know of a modern 9mm that shoots like a Hi Power?

>>31459502
ramlite . com/products/browning-magnetic-weaver-rail

>>31459037
Anyone who buys guns new at sticker price is a fool. With the incredible amount of surplus hi powers, Mk IIs and IIIs that were most likely police models with less than 100 rounds through it and only aesthetic problems, spending 1000$ on a new mark III is basically retarded. That said a quick trigger job and an optional mag safety disconnect is a quick fix and makes the trigger as good as if not better than a 1000+ 1911. All this from a 90s era surplus FN Hi Power for less than 500$ easily. Id you wanna be a jew about and have a fucked finish 350$ can easily be had.

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>>31452570
Wait, no one has said it yet? Well okay...

Glock 19 Glock 19 Glock 19

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>>31452570
>Which one is better
Apples to oranges. Probably the 1911 since it's a bit more robust, and has a better trigger and safety.

>Which do you prefer?
The BHP. Those fucking ergonomics, combined with the pretty good single action, low recoil, and highish capacity 9mm make it a breeze to shoot.

>Are they both viable options?
For what exactly? As modern combat pistols; absolutely not. There are better guns out there to fit that role.

For a carry gun? If you live somewhere where you can conceal them, sure why not, do whatever floats your boat.

For a range toy? Abso-fucking-loutely. They're both incredibly fun to shoot, but to be fair, ANYTHING is a viable range toy as long as it's safe, fun, and accurate.

>>31456528
round hammers on hi powers will mostly eliminate any possibility of hammer bite.

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>>31459704

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>>31452570
I love both equally.

>>31452574
>>31456528
these
also there are way more options for a 1911. More people makes variants of them and that means more parts if I want them.
If I want a hi power im either buying a new one or some surplus. I have both, I like both, but I like the 1911 more if I want an old steel SAO

>>31455526
Fuck this Gay Earth.

>>31456655
Say it. Say Nineteen Eleven. You can do it, sure you can.

The hi-power has been improved and is now obsolete, the 1911 continues to be perfect.

>>31452570
They're both fairly outdated designs but will still do the jobs so it's really down to personal preference.

>>31452967
Lol wtf is this from

>Browning """"""""Hi-Power"""""""""
>9mm
>""""""""""""""hi-power"""""""""""""""

>>31463579
>implying

BHP is good, much respect.
I prefer 1911 for reasons.
Both are gudweps.

>>31456655
You do know Browning was 'Murikan??

>>31452570

The BHP basically is what it is.
There's not much in the way of options, or different set ups.

The 1911 on the other hand...
>want it in 9mm instead of .45?
check
>double stack too?
no prob
>oh, aftermarket sights?
plenty

ect.

1911s are kind of like ARs, in that half the fun is in customizing them to your needs.

>>31464639

Yep. Thing is, Hi-Powers have never been produced in the States, nor have they enjoyed 1911-tier popularity on the US market.

>>31464682

Browning is still making new production Hi Powers in the US right now.

>>31462360
A Romance of the Three Kingdoms TV adaptation.

>>31463579
>"Browning"
>It's Blued

>"Bluing"
>It's Black

>"Blacking"
>It's yer mother

>>31464686
I didn't know Japan was part of the US.

>>31464746
I didn't know Portugal was part of Japan

>>31458557
No, you're the retard. He was trying to make you understand the concept of energy or momentum, which the .45 usually has a little more of.

>>31455614
Kek

>>31452633
Just sell it and get a new one.

>>31464856
Yeah sell it for half what you paid, and spend another grand on a gun that won't work, nice.

>>31452633
Multiple brands of ammo?

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>>31452633
>>31466081
Nvm, reading is hard. No clue either.

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>>31452570
Hi Power goodness.

>>31464686
>>31464746
The parts are made in Belgium and assembled in Portugal

>>31452570
I like both. I have a Belgian BHP Mk III, and it's a pleasure to shoot. I traded my Rock Island 1911 away a couple years ago, but I'd be happy to own another.

How difficult is taking out the magazine disconnect at home, or should I just go to a gunsmith? I just got a surplus FN Hi Power made in '91 and it still has it inside.

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>>31468742
Couldn't get mine out, that's partially because my trigger group has to come out too to get to the disconnect. And that trigger pin did not want to get out. My brass punch is mangled because of it. So, I might just have to have a gunsmith familiar with these later models work on it.

>>31469116
Yeesh, Ive heard some can be like that, what year is your hi power? Looks quite a bit newer than a 91, also mine was labled as a Mk II would that make a difference?

>>31469573
I'm trying to figure that out. It's either a late 90s or an early 2000s. I'm talking to FN to figure that out. But they're being slow to respond. As for your disconnect, your Mk II should be fine off the top of my head.
https://youtu.be/mdApLdz8EGA
If that doesn't do it then you'll need to remove your trigger group.

>>31469116
>that's partially because my trigger group has to come out too to get to the disconnect.
Pre-'82 pistols shouldn't require this. If your gun is older than that and you want a tip: you can rig a make-shift 12-ton press with a bench vise, a washer, a bunch of tape, and a tool bit to get that trigger axle pin out without any hammering required. If you aren't sure how those ingredients I just mentioned should be used to get the trigger axle pin out, then you're not ready to do this on your own.

>>31471631
not him but thats a good idea, ill use it if when mine comes in I have the same problem. Related, why does shipping take so damn long.

1911s are too unreliable.

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Now why would you tards take this over a 1911?

>>31471727

Literally wat.

I've shot more than 7,000 rounds through various 1911s and the only malfunction I've ever had was a shitty Series 80 lever had broken when I reassembled it like a dumbass and didn't know it so it just went "click". I then deleted said Series 80 parts from that 1911 and all four of mine are still functionally flawless.

>>31471727
>I've never shot a gun
>the post

Own both, love both.

>But maybe the hi power a little more.

>>31471755
Thinking about this post, I wish Browning were alive today to make an actually good version of the Hi-Point to serve as a no frills working man's handgun that was affordable to people living paycheck to paycheck

>>31472861

I'm pretty sure he did that with the Colt 1903.

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>>31456623
Why not Zoidberg?

>>31474896
Kindly fuck off back to 2010 please

>>31452570

Why not a Hi-Power in .45?

>>31474896
haha nice meme from a dead show that was never actually good.

>>31452570
Carried a Hi-Power for better part of 8 years.
They're a very decent pistol, so is the 1911 for what its worth if you want a .45 and a few less rounds. In terms of modern pistols though, they're both lacking in terms of what you can strap up to them, some of them are much nicer ergonomically and generally a bit more refined after a 100 odd years of development. Sure you can gunsmith your way to glory with accessories and custom work- but after alls said and done there, you may as well have just forked out for something like a H&K USP which also comes in a variety of calibres.

>>31475904
Man that's a lot of sodium chloride

>>31452633
Trade it in

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Until I can find a 1911 with a stock, the Browning HP wins

>>31459107
You do know John Moses Browning designed the 1911 too right?

>>31477264
you got a stamp man?

I own two of both.

The Browning Hi Power is my Number 1, the 1911 is a very, very close Number 2.

And coming in at a distant third is everything else.

>>31455614
The bb noodle arms

>>31475904
Fuck off. Futurama was the best comedy show to ever be on television.

>>31477646
Original Hi-Powers like that are exempt from the NFA.

>>31459606
It's surplus thats a new thing they're up for sale now for cheaper and they're not going to last long.
I use to want a hipower a few years ago even used beat up surplus ones were going for close to 1k, once people buy up this surplus they're going back to the old prices.
Already spent my gun budget on pistols otherwise I probably would of bought one.

nib if you got a problem you can go through the manufacturer instead of having to find a smith or armorer that knows what they're doing.

>>31479502
The surplus has been sitting on gun broker for like 4 years from cdisales, I've been watching them slowly sell since like high school at first it was close to 600 from just that seller, first the rare ones sold, collectibles and the like but there are still hundreds of 90s surplus of so for sale. They are the main sidearm for lots if European police, not to mention military, both with low round counts. As long as they keep ordering them and it stays the sidearm if choice there will always be surplus. The fuck are you taking about.

>>31479966
Just from that one seller on GB, I mean so they are easy as fuck to find at reasonable prices.