PTR91 FTF

>>31449175
whenever you open her up check if the firing pin is damaged.

>>31449175

Do the FTF rounds have light primer strikes?

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>>31449197
ok. Firing pin is still tip top.

>>31449204
they have no strike whatsoever, the fired ones have a nice solid deep hit.

>>31449175

Notice any difference in sound between dry firing after a deliberate half cock and firing after a good slappin'?

>>31449274
i cant detect any difference in sound - but i did notice that with a half assed cock, when dry firing the charing handle nudges ahead about 1/16.

>>31449352
So you didn't pull it back all the way? You don't need to slap it closed every time, but just like any other firearm, it still needs to be pulled back enough for the springs to do their thing.

>>31449352
The charging handle is not attached to the bold carrier, so it's not necessarily a good indicator as to whether or not the rollers are fully engaged. However, if you don't pull the charging handle back all the way, or if you ride it forward rather than letting the return spring do all the work it will sometimes not lock the rollers out all the way, and the bolt doesn't go into battery.

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>>31449175

EUREEKA!!!!

I got the answer OP and it's so simple you're gonna laugh when I tell you. It was in your face all along LOL.

You should have bought an FAL.

Who'd have thought right?

>>31449392
>an FAL
>an

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>>31449392

>>31449406
Not him but I pronounce the letters individualy

>>31449411
>an Fusil Automatique Leger

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>>31449352
Make sure you're pulling it back far enough and letting the spring do the work rather than riding it in.

>>31449411
As it should be.

>>31449175

PTR owner here

Yes you probably have to slap it forward or else the bolt might not engage all the way. You can literally see the giant bolt gap if the bolt didn't go into battery

So yes, you are a moron OP

>>31449435
The slap isn't necessary. You can just pull it back all the way and let it go. It's the same thing.

PTR sucks, should have bought an AR-10.

>>31449450

It isn't but its an idiot proof way of doing it

One thing PTR didn't do was to include a military manual like Springfield does with their M1A, that way novices can actually learn how to operate their gun before going to the range and doing it wrong

>>31449490
It's definitely an idiot proof method but I guess only idiots don't pull the charging handles all the way back on their guns.

>>31449478
Boring.

>>31449423
oh look its this picture again

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>>31449509
And then it's this one again anon.

>>31449478
Can be cheaper, almost certain to be better than a 2moa PTR

>>31449478
>>31449509
>>31449408
>>31449392
Combined with the overall shit quality of this thread, I'm pretty sure that /k/ is being trolled right now by one giant shitposting faggot. That or /k/ has seriously slipped in quality since a year ago.

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>>31449435

kek. Ok just to be clear here's how i did it.

1. pull charging handle all the way to the rear
2. let go

My thought was, theoretically the act of releasing the charging handle from my fingers as opposed to slapping it away from the catch could slow down the return on the bolt ever so slightly.

I guess that's what i was wondering, if y'all had found that when you do not slap it that you get occasional FTF's.

i suspect it needs to break in more as well.

>>31449535
Hey buddy, why don't you add some of that Meme Magic and spice it up a little? We were all waiting for you to show up and save the day. Oh and don't forget to turn your trip back on.

>>31449352
When you let the bolt fly forward, look through the guide rail on cocking tube and check if there's a gap between the front of the BCG and the back of the cocking handle support. If it isn't flush, then there's a problem with the bolt not being in full battery.

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>>31449553
I've never had an issue with just releasing it rather than using the slap. Unless you've got some spider-man style finger friction slowing it down, I doubt that's the issue.

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>>31449553

Are you sure it was "ALL THE WAY"? Because even 9/10's isn't enough. Here is a picture of "almost all the way", notice the bolt gap that indicates the bolt is not in battery

>>31449579
there is an 1/8 gap.

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>>31449587

Now this is pulling it back all the way and letting it go, notice how the gap from the previous picture is now closed indicated that the bolt is in battery and your rifle is ready no fire. I did not lock the bolt and slap it forward if you were wondering

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>>31449587
>>31449629
Oh god she's so wet.

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>>31449629
all right, here is after a slap.

>>31449669

Yeah I cleaned and relubed today after several hundred rounds of Russian steel cased

>>31449689

see how the gap is closed compared to >>31449587, if you don't let the spring do its work and slow the bolt down in any way it won't go into battery

>>31449594
>there is an 1/8 gap.

Then there's a problem with going into battery. Could just need to be broken in or there could something blocking the bolt. Or a weak return spring.

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>>31449697
You used cheap steel case to break in your new rifle?

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>>31449729
will do, m8

Has anyone noticed any significant wear on the charging handle notch after a few years of slappin'? Or is it mostly a non issue?

>>31449808
Is there something wrong with that, son?

>>31449808

The G3 system isn't a sissy safequeen that needs TLC like a 3k SCAR, The break in only occurs if the weapon fully cycles thus smoothing out the action. Steel case Russian tends to have more blowback than western 7.62x51 and roughly the same accuracy for less $$$. Under powered shit like Mexican Aguilla often does not have enough blowback to cycle the heavy bolt and will give you a FTE

>>31449788
all right, with it (appearing to be) in battery I have about a 1/16 gap, is that acceptable or does it have to be snug/ no gap?

also another stupid question, the retractable charging handle puts up a fight when i go to pull it out the first time, like really really stiff. After pulling it out once and letting it snap back down, it's easy. Just seems odd. is that normal?

>>31449847
>also another stupid question, the retractable charging handle puts up a fight when i go to pull it out the first time, like really really stiff. After pulling it out once and letting it snap back down, it's easy. Just seems odd. is that normal?

Yes. If you look just behind the handle, when you pull it up its actually starting to push back even as it rotates (because it is wider in its standing position). This is forcing the bolt face back against the roller pressure, which is what is providing the resistance.

I found if I grip the handle a specific way, its easier to get standing and then pull (kek).

Also, as an aside, do not pull the handle up and then put it back down and expect your firearm to be in battery. Because it is pushing against the bolt even just by putting it up, you are taking the bolt out of battery. If you raise the handle up, always recharge the firearm.

>>31449847

>all right, with it (appearing to be) in battery I have about a 1/16 gap, is that acceptable or does it have to be snug/ no gap?

Should be fine

>Has anyone noticed any significant wear on the charging handle notch after a few years of slappin'? Or is it mostly a non issue?

Pretty much a non issue unless it completely fails to lock the charging handle

>>31449847
ok, when extending the charging handle it cams back the bolt a little bit, i presume that is normal and the stiffness is the bolt being nudged back out of battery.

>>31449910

yup its supposed to do that, you aren't supposed to fuck with the charging handle unless you are chambering a round or clearing the weapon

>>31449808
i bet she fucking liked it too, dirty whore

>>31449965

If you aren't shooting steel case, cleaning with brake cleaner and lubing with motor oil you're fucking doing it wrong

>>31449847
>I have about a 1/16 gap, is that acceptable or does it have to be snug/ no gap?

1/16'' is still pretty big. It should be about half that and look almost flush with practically no gap.

It has gotten smaller so maybe it just needs to be worked a little more.

>>31449846
>gun that will survive hundreds of thousands of rounds more than a PTR that beats itself to death is a safe queen
Kek all those salt flavored grapes

>>31450036

Pity the SCAR can't survive military testing competition as most European nations that are replacing their aging G3's (which outlasted the FAL for decades) with the HK 417.

Face it, the SCAR is another failed weapons platform that will be forgotten much like the ACR and all other prototype systems that didn't quite make it

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>>31449423
>coonhound
mah nigga

>>31450091
>outlasted

You mean cheaply replace with a welded piece of tin? There is a reason its as expensive to buy a century parts kit rifle that has to be shipped on an airplane across the ocean as it is to fabricate a new one right here in America.

>>31450091
ok kid

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?62889-SCAR-vs-AR-A-detailed-look

Thanks for all the input and ideas fellow niggers, i will put a few dozen mags through it and see if it smooths out 'smore

Muchas gracias.

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>>31450213

>rugged and reliable
>easy and cost effective to produce
>simply to operate and maintain with very few parts
>can be given to a conscript and trained quickly

Its almost as if it was designed for WWIII or something

>>31450299
Rugged and reliable rifles don't beat themselves to literal pieces during the normal operation of the rifle.

But your right, they're cheap as dirt and perfect for people who know nothing about guns.

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>>31450352

I've beaten several guns to pieces, wear and tear happens over time. Hell you will bend the op rod on an M1A long before you start suffering from bolt gap issues.

But have fun with a rifle that you will be too afraid to fire cheap ammo though for some fantastical end of the world scenario where the cost of your gun will be more important than thing like being physically fit, knowing rudimentary first aids, being able to read a fucking map or just having normal social skills to get along with others

>>31450418
>you can't possibly do all of those things AND own an expensive rifle!
lel

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>>31450418
Kek I know I own a PTR. I'm just bootyblasted my thread about my new FAL having some FtF issues got trolled into oblivion.

Plus I am relatively sure this is a bait thread because the OP hasn't posted pics of his own rifle and this thread appeared magically after mine got shrekt.

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>>31450444

You can, but it is a common trend in the gun community where the people who spend the most on tactical mall ninja stuff are usually compensating for a lack of masculine traits

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>>31450454
Yeah, that was really weird. Welcome to the autistic world of battle rifles.

>>31450472
>GET YOUR FUCKING FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER YOU FAT NECKBEARD REEEEE.

>>31450484
Yeah don't get it, guess it's a choose one then hate the other thing.

Poor people who cant have nice things caused this IMO.

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>>31450454
>logical procession of questions and answers
>pictures of the rifle parts in question followed by pics of OP's rifle
>a conclusion to the question supported by several ideas from several people

Oh wow it must be bait, I know I'd spend two hours making a "bait" thread about some rifle break-in issue because that would be EPIC!


HAHA TROLLED U GUISE!!! YOU THOUGHT I REALLY HAD A PROBLEM! HAHAH!

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>>31450484
oh look, it's this image again

>>31449175

Anyone here have a PTR GI - K? i'm thinking of getting one tomorrow at a nearby gun show

>>31450658

This one worked out because the OP was a novice and his problem was all operator error

The FAL one went to shit because that guy is not only a novice, but can't accept the fact that his inherent problem was that he bought a shitty parts kit rifle and got what he paid for

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>>31450694
I appreciate the (you)s anon. Each one makes my day just a little bit brighter.

>>31450715


Why you would get a discontinued model with no mag paddle is beyond me

>>31450728
Actually the rifle needs to be broken in, I would not call that operator error.

>>31449406
>a FAL

Who doesn't pronounce it F.A.L.?

>>31450782

improper use of the charging handle and failing to put the bolt into battery is operator error

>>31450796
87% of people pronounce it "FAL"
12% of people sound out the letters
The other 1% actually say "Fusil Automatique Leger"

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>>31450812
how is pulling the charging handle completely back and letting it go, operator error?

>>31450846

He probably wasn't, he might have been 90% of the way and thought it was enough, he also could have been unintentionally riding the charging handle. Easy mistake for someone new to the system to make. That is why I recommended fully locking the charging handle back and doing the HK slap as that is impossible to fuck up

>>31450728
Oh look your still here. Somehow after 2 threads with over 50 posts you still haven't developed any reading comprehension.

>>31450888

>he might have been 90% of the way and thought it was enough, he also could have been unintentionally riding the charging handle.

Can confirm literally everyone I've let shoot my PTR has done this at first even with explicit instruction right beforehand.

>>31450973
Fucking everyone who isn't used to semi's rides the action, it seems.

>>31450823
I call bullshit

>>31449175
You should slap when new.
As for FTF's they are to be expected when breaking in the gun, refer to the manual it's like 200 rounds. Also follow the barrel break instructions

>>31449587
Thats alot of grease for a gun that specifically states in the manual that an overlube is very unnecessary and tells you where you need lube after finishing off the paragraph with a distinction that the gun was designed to work well near dry.

Seriously dude you really need to read your fucking manual

>>31451859
>Seriously dude you really need to read your fucking manual

This, for fuck's sake. You're not playing with a fucking stick, it's a working machine.

>>31449821
Cocking tubes are cheap enough that it won't matter and I've only seen worn ones on HK91's that have changed hands too many times anyway, you are more likely to break a handle slapping like a maniac, not a big deal when you can rig the stub to your sling.
A worn out Cocking handle nub/notch is still functional, it's just annoying

>>31451900
Overlubing it is prolonging his break in

>>31449406
lul
>own both
The FAL is actually a harder platform to figure out for beginners. I fucking cursed it until I figured out how to properly set the gas reg

>>31451859
>>31451968

No such thing as "overlubing" a gun, especially not a delayed roller blowback

And my weapon is already broken in

And that isn't grease, its 10w-30 motor oil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9bOT_d60LM

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oil and grease the fuck out of it, there should be a 3-4mm thick layer of grease or oil on the contact surfaces, and a 1-2mm film on every other part.


Shoot 10 rounds,break it down and hose it down with oil, shoot another 10, wipe off all the old/ now slightly dirty lube, and hose it down.

here at 4 jim fuller is hosing it down, you need to oil that thing, its a machine it needs the oil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNCZSw2c1k4&spfreload=10

>>31449422
>an Eff Ay Ell

>>31449808
It's a fucking battle rifle.

One known for it's violent action, at that.

>>31449175
look at your bolt when it's closed and see if there is a space between the receiver and the bolt carrier
HK slap it, then do it like you're doing to see if there is a difference
If there is, you need to HK slap it more

>>31451992
>turn up until works

Wow that was hard

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>a 100 post thread exists because someone can't figure out how to HK slap

>>31449821
what rail system is that?

>>31449587
I find I have to pull hard and release, letting my hand slide off and punching myself on my chest.

I also slap mine on the buttstock if it has a little gap and isnt fully in battery. Im rough with my girls. But seriously a good hard slap helps pop it in battery if you dont want to toss the round and charge another.

I think the design helps it from firing out of battery. The hammer hits the bolt and pushes it in and the pin doesnt strike. Probably isnt the best in thise parts to repeatedly do this.

Just a few pointers. It will eat steel ammo sure but brass seems to have an easier time feeding.

>>31456082

either you are doing it wrong or your ptr is wildly out of spec and should be sent back to them for repairs

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>>31450694
Don't you talk about Bailey like that you fucking faggot

>>31449175
Should've bought a Century made gun. They're CETMEs and G3s have always been better.

>>31456157
Yeah, if I dont do the slap or let it ride a little bit it leaves the gap. They do require a bit of force to unlock the rollers. A tap on the ass and it will give it that little push it needs to seat in battery .