HK416 to become the service rifle of the French military

I think of the presented options it was a good choice. However I think relying on another country for your small arms, especially given the history between Germany and France, is a potentially bad idea. Odds are it will be fine.

I like the idea of major powers all having their own signature rifle though, shame about that.

>>31441161
Because theres been like 10 threads on it already.

>>31441161
We'll never get their surplus FAMASes so who even cares

>>31441231
They'll probably be given Licensing rights by HK for the current French arms manufacturers to produce them in.

>>31441326
No current French manufacturers exist, that's part of the reason the famas was replaced

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>>31441442
>What about MAS
>merged into Nexter
Still Fren-
>merged with German Krauss-Maffei into KANT
>even if they kept the FAMAS the Germans would be making them anyway
>mfw

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>>31441161
I think the VHS would have been a better choice, given that they used the FAMAS and are used to bullpup guns.
Anyway the 416 has lots of rail space so they can attach lots of white flags.
Everything should be fine.

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>>31441231
>potentially bad idea
Small arm production doesn't require decades of lead time to produce something usable.
French military is much stronger and has nukes.
German demographics does not favor war.

>>31441442

> What is Verney Caron

Albeit I must admit that it would've required quite a bunch of investments for them to be up to the challenge, their only current tooling is for hunting rifles and less than lethal nonsense launchers.

But impossible isn't french, as once said the great frog warrior

Why, what was wrong with the FAMAS?

>>31441646
It wasnt german enough

>>31441646
The factory that made them shut down in 2002 so no new rifles/parts.

>getting rid of the universal remote that is the FELIN

FUCKING FROGS REEEEEE

>>31441231

>I like the idea of major powers all having their own signature rifle though, shame about that.

me too as a french i feel really sad, but i have to agree the hk choice makes a lot of sense considering all of our special forces already use them.

and we sold 36 rafale today so all in all it's allright, famas was begining to feel awkward and long overdue

>>31441688
really ?

>>31441785
You know, if only your country wasn't runned by socialist, your military would have had the G2 in their other branches. At least you have civvie .222 FAMAS available, right?

>>31441785

You lads still have an entirely domestic warplane industry and an independent navy capable of global force projection, (which is honestly fucking incredible,) so don't feel bad.

:3

>>31441646
Its old as fuck. Manufacturer is long dead so they are running out of spares. And it was a sub-par rifle from the getgo

>>31441633
>I must admit that it would've required quite a bunch of investments for them to be up to the challenge

It would require about as much time and money as setting up an entirely new plant.
The only thing for the 416 they could viably produce right now are barrels.

>>31441646
It uses a fucking toggle link action and it's not made in the late 1800's..

>>31441815

have you shot a famas ?

it's bulbup inferior system and there are constant problem of soldier at training goig death because the detonation happens to be 3cm away from your ear.

and france is a capitalist country dude , our presindent is marketed as a socialist but truely we have more or less the same politics than in america over here

>>31441828
yea we're fine :)

>>31441873
Deafening even with earpro or do they not use it?

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>>31441873
>there are constant problem of soldier at training goig death

>>31441161
Are European militaries pretty much just a market for German equipment?

>>31441917
Europe is pretty much a market for German anything.

Germany is basically Europe's China. If China cared about quality control in autistic levels.

>>31441917
Na, the euro countries usually buy guns as favors to other countries. Bundeswehr has the UZI instead of the MP5 because of muh six million, Scandinavia has H&K rifles though they could buy local, and Britain... Just google L85, a gun so shitty they had to hire H&K for it to be improved to just "bad"

>>31441938
Scandis have H&K rifles because certain agencies get leeway in choosing their own rifles. Armies have them because they win the competition by being cheap and affordable so local companies have no chance to win.

>>31441887

sometime they dont put them properly and lose earing, i have a friend who enlisted as an officer and out of 50 recruts 4 Of them lost complete audition on one of their ears.

one guy had one earpro fell off, he didnt noticed he told me kek

>>31441873
Shooting a bullpup doesn't make you any more deaf than any other gun you retard. French soldiers are wearing ear pro like everyone else, stop spreading retarded rumors you nogunz.

>>31441938
>locally produced scandinavian military rifles
only sweden makes that, and there are better rifles out there

>>31441161
>why is there no thread on /k/?

weve had 8 so far.

>>31441954
Scandinavia doesnt use hk. Norway does, and denmark also has a few 417s as DMRs. Sweden uses their AK5, Denmark has colt canada and Finland have the spurdinator.

>>31441646
Its just not as good as the AR

>>31442635
Some sooper special finnish units have been seen to use 417 as DMR. HK gets used in scandinavia, but only Norway uses it as a primary weapon

>>31441917
More likely they spent so long ignoring the problem, their time ran out and they had to buy guns. France is the European king of nationalised industries, if they had to buy German it's because they had no choice.

>>31442693
The French arms industry was pretty much forced to shut down by the government decade ago.Just like every other European weapons manufacturer that did not have a foothold in america

>>31441848
>>31441848
The FAMAS uses a lever delayed blowback system that uses the same operating principal (but with a different implementation) as the G3.

>>31442719
But muh Kalash

>>31442635
>>31442671
finland isn't in scandinavia

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I really like the 416,but the SCAR would have been the better choice.

>>31442743
hahaha kill your self

>>31441938
> Bad
Everyone chats shit about the L85a2, its better than what most other countries use,

Just because its not on the civilian market and nobody knows what its actually like.

>>31443074

Ex. British (Territorial) Army here. Have fired the A2 as well as an M16A1 and an AK variant. The SA80A2 /L85A2 is heavy as fuck in comparison to either rifle. Nice and compact though in comparison and good balance.

Handled (Not fired) the SAS version of the Canuck M4.... The C8 or something? That gun felt like a pistol in comparison. I got the impression you could fire that one handed if necessary.

The SUSAT on the A2 is pretty shitty, and mine actually snapped off at one time during an exercise and I had to jury-rig it with a pin.

Not really sure what questions anyone may have but fire away if anyone cares.

>>31441938
>Bundeswehr has the UZI instead of the MP5 because of muh six million
They haven't used MP2s for a long time, they were replaced by the MP5 and MP7., gramps.

>>31442927
They most likely chose 416 because it was a bit cheaper and FN is hard pressed to meet the demand they are having right now.

>>31441938
>Britain... Just google L85, a gun so shitty they had to hire H&K for it to be improved to just "bad"

It was done by a British team. Not a German one. This is like suggesting that the Zumwalt railguns are British because BAE own the company.

>>31441161

is that a famas?

France is dealing with a sudden influx of dirty jawas and is looking to the superior exterminators for inspiration. USA and Canada have been at this for so long they picked our weapon platform. Their previous ethnic buffer zone (Germany) is run by feminists now so the people that make it to their borders aren't properly "cleansed" anymore.

>>31441938
>Scandinavia has H&K rifles though they could buy local

Sweden uses AK-5s, a locally produced copy of the FN FNC with modification.
Denmark uses the Gevær M/95 being replaced by the Gevær M/10, versions of the Colt Canada C7 and C8 IUA.

Norway uses H&K 416A5s built by H&K and the AG-3, a locally produced by Kongsberg väppen version of the H&K G3.

Finland uses the Rk. 62 and Rk. 95TP, locally produced variations of the Kalashnikov family of rifles.

So, one for 4, or one for 3 if you don't want to count Finland.

Yes they all use some H&K products: SMGs, Pistols, or GPMGs. But find a country in the world that doesnt that isn't a fledgling nation with no organized military, an oppressive shithole like the DPRK or PRC, or a post Soviet landlocked Russian puppet.

>>31443365
How many of those countries still retain production capabilities for such weapons? Not Finland for sure.

>>31441161
>why is there no thread on /k/?
He said. While posting the 10th tread about this topic the last 2 weeks. With the same fucking picture used in half of those treads.

>>31443274
>It was done by a British team.
still owned by H&K

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>>31442927
you misspelt Colt Canada C8 senpai

>>31443200
C8 is the M4 carbine equivalent, C7 is the M16 rifle

>>31443365
finland is still not scandinavian

>>31443414

My point is so what? If it was done by a local team, it doesn't matter who owns the company. Does this mean that the Bradley is a British AFV? It such a silly point.

>>31441646
A plastic Airsoft variant of the rifle was legitimately more stable and dense\compact\tighter than the actual rifle.

If you start to run with the thing, everything inside the shell casing of the rifle begins to shake and it feels like it's about to fall apart in your hands

>>31442635
Sweden uses the G3 and the G36 too.

>>31441938
t. americuck nofunz faggot who has no idea how good the bong L85 weapon actually is

>>31443365
Sweden has more G3s in service than FNCs. Certain units also have G36s.

>>31443200
Regular, 8 years. Its not heavy if you're not a manlet REMF.

SUSAT was way better than those piece of shit ACOGs that would smash every other minute.

>>31443414
H&K was owned by BAE at the time. So you've effectively defeated yourself.

>>31443580
>Regular, 8 years

What reg mate? angle iron here

>>31443597
No kidding. Vikings, poachers or steelbacks?
Slime Green myself (not the REMF kind). I'm an anglian local myself just off Towie central.

Was attached for '07. But been all over the place, RIRISH, Prancers and most recently HCMR.

Osborne still in reg? And that other mong who caught his cheek in the bolt of a long?

>>31441161

why does he have the buttstock so high up in his shoulder?

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Doesn't the 416 (and short stroke piston ARs in general) have issues with their service life like carrier tilt and wearing out the platform much faster than gas piston ones?

Which is why special forces can get them, being a bit more reliable in harsh conditions, but they can get entirely different weapons after each mission if desired. Making the 416 not the smartest idea as a standard issue rifle for the regular grunt.

Correct me if I"m wrong.

>>31443819
No, shit's fixed.

>>31443819
not really. They wear out the bolt carrier and buffer tube after 10,000 rounds, but those are easily replaceable.

>>31443226
Yeah Belgium just adopted SCARs as their primary rifle so they'll be busy for a few years.

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>>31443819
Carrier tilt was only a problem with the early models from 2005 and shitty DI-to-piston commercial conversions. They've added "skiis" to the carrier that guide it smoothly through the buffer tube and prevent it from moving off-axis.

This guy fired 67,000 rounds through his HK416 and carrier tilt never became an issue: http://soldiersystems.net/2013/03/30/canipe-correspondence-retiring-my-416/

Piston ARs are fine when properly engineered, but most of the benefits of their design won't see much use with civilian shooters

>>31444118
>implying there are tangible benefits over DGI

kek guide us, surely he jests.

>>31444137
They are better for:
-barrels shorter than 11.5 inches
-firing a lot with a suppressor
-firing a lot in full auto
-shooting a wider variety of ammo
-shooting after being submerged in water
-cleaning
So basically unless you're military or a NFA collector, you will see little to no benefit

>>31444118
>most of the benefits of their design won't see much use with civilian shooters

That is a polite way of saying the benefits of the design are highly exaggerated.

>>31444118
>Piston ARs are fine when properly engineered, but most of the benefits of their design won't see much use with civilian shooters

Civilians shoot way more than the military. That's why flawed designs like external piston converted AR-15s get criticized so heavily.

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>>31444222
>-barrels shorter than 11.5 inches
>-shooting after being submerged in water

Only these two are real, and out of them only the former really matters because tilting the rifle forward for about one second after resurfacing will get rid of the latter "problem".
There's a reason you never hear of it except when piston AR manufacturers want to sell you shit so they blow up the ar by shooting it right after taking it out of water (protip: a DI AR *will* shoot underwater, it will only blow up when you shoot it out of water with the gas tube still partially filled with water).

>>31441615
What horrible logic even before the joke

>>31444222
Of course, there is truth to this. Hot and dirty gas DOES, in fact, go straight into the bolt area. The real question is, how much does that matter? In my view, not much. The system is designed that way and offers plenty of offsetting advantages which we will touch on elsewhere in this section. As mentioned earlier, the carbon build up on the boat tail is largely a self-cleaning scenario. In terms of other cleaning and maintenance, there are fewer moving parts in a direct impingement system, so there are fewer parts to get dirty to the point of malfunction.

In a traditional direct impingement AR-type rifle, the gas that enters the bolt and carrier area are HOT. Predictably, those parts, and the surrounding upper receiver, get hot pretty quickly. Unless you’re planning to pull the bolt and carrier out with your bare hands immediately after unloading a few magazines, this isn’t a huge deal. Of course, hotter temperatures can break down lubricants faster, so you will need to pay more attention that and use high quality, temperature-resistant gun oils.

Suppressor use
There are a lot of theoretical arguments about which platform is better for suppressor use, but my view is far more practical. If you use a suppressor, your gun will get filthy, regardless of whether it’s a direct impingement or piston operated model.

Many piston systems offer adjustable gas features which let you decrease the amount of gas fed into the system for suppressor use, or increase the amount of gas for adverse conditions. The extra gas flow makes things work even when dirty, to a degree.

>>31443361
here's your

(you)

>>31441161
You are 2 weeks too late buddy,.

>>31441161
What were all the guns on test again?