Is paintball a good way to train for combat?

If the balls are frozen and you don't wear protective gear, maybe.

>>31389835
In terms of group cohesiveness and tactics? Possibly.

In terms of being ready for actual, genuine combat? Fuck no.

>>31389847
Is it important to build up pain tolerance to being shot? You sound like you've seen a lot of combat and tanked a lot of gunshots so please explain.

>>31389860
The problem with airshit and paintball is that being shot doesn't hurt, so people don't make the same decisions that they would if they were really being shot at, so its pretty worthless as a training tool.

>>31389835
No, its fun though and not as gay as airsoft

>>31389890

Wouldn't be as gay if you got to see crap like this all the time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BDJVN3C4eRA

>>31389835
Maybe to sharpen your quick thinking skills and small group tactics (maybe you'll go with some friends), if you really develop a plan and execute it well. The people who play aren't there to learn anything, though.

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>>31389948
>the synchronized back and forth looks from those three closest airsofters

>>31389835
>Is paintball a good way to train for combat?
>yes, but only if you use real weapons & ammo.

What about magfed?

Honestly, training and simulations can only do so much. Experience is one's only true weapon.

>>31389835
Depends on how you play, if you're playing your typical paintball game, probably not. At most you're learning how to deal with stressful situations while being under fire and taking cover.

>>31389882
>airshit and paintball is that being shot doesn't hurt
No.
>>31389890
Paintball seems like a collection of arbitrary rules eg. double triggers

>>31389882
So the only way to train is by actually getting shot at?

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>>31390445
>>airshit and paintball is that being shot doesn't hurt
>>>No
... there are people that think airshit and paintball... hurt?

>>31389835
Former semi-pro paintballer here. Paintball dynamics are not bullet dynamics which should hopefully be obvious. That said, paintball DOES teach you to coordinate and think objectively under stress. The basics of shoot/move/cover/covering fire apply anywhere you're throwing projectiles at someone who's throwing them back also.

>>31389882
I like how you assume all those things, its really funny actually.

>>31389882
Paintball hurts it leaves big ass welts on your skin

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>>31390597
I feel a lot braver getting shot at with paintballs and getting welts, than getting shot at with bullets and getting dead.

>>31390722
Yeah but it does hurt

>>31390588
This

>>31390588
Paintballing with my friends was how I learnt about suppressive fire being a thing. Things whizzing and smacking all around you makes your monkey brain want to freak out and hide, even when it's harmless fun. I can't even fathom what receiving actual rifle fire must be like.

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>>31390589
>its really funny actually.

>>31390482
They leave bruises. Paintballs are made of sorbitol and geltin so freezing makes them more brittle, if anything.

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>Apparently big bags of air do not stop actual bullets.

so as long as they learn that, it will all be alright.

>>31390482
>Confirmed for being shit at paintball
They hurt quite a bit under ten yards which you'd know if you went for objectives instead of hanging back like a fucking punk.
Got hit directly in the Adams apple once at 5 feet and it was pretty damn painful.

Paintball as it's usually played is pretty pointless, but with two coordinated teams who are doing it solely for training alongside existing drills etc, it's very valuable.

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>>31390768
Anyone who shoots frozen paintballs is a dangerous asshole who ought to be fined. Paintball masks and goggles aren't meant to protect against frozen shit.

But as far as regular airshit and paintball goes? It isn't painful whatsoever.

>>31390821
As a nig who is one of the only coloreds ever on the field, I know what it's like to be shot in sensitive areas by team mates who "accidentally" shoot me, faggot. Also, going for the objective is a no brainer when you can sprint.

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>>31389835

some places actually acquire paintball gear for training purposes.

Small Squad tactics, etc.

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It can be for tactics if played right... here in Australia we have Total War events which are 300+ players on 80+ acres split into two teams.

Teams are led by generals (who are usually ex-service members) and teams are split into squads with SL's having radios to talk to the general.

Objectives are taken by setting off a pyrotechnics explosion in the middle of a zone.

>>31389882
I didn't know they shot at soldiers to train them

>>31389835
Not really no.
It's good for teaching you to work and move with others in a vaguely similar scenario, teaching you to move around and over obstacles with a marker safely, and improving your fitness though.
Some concepts that are taught by firearms instructors are taught and practiced in higher level paintball though, bumping under suppression, communication, leading with the correct leg for the cover you are behind, never have two knees on the ground, don't go over cover to get someone, ect.
FWIW we used to take hot shits all over the airborne guys who came out and played expecting to fuck everyone up, both on the hyper/speed ball courses and in woods ball. It's just not combat and you can get away with things at 300fps that you cannot at 3000fps.

>>31389835

It depends. Professional and collegiate teams play speedball, which has a small field populated by a symmetrical arrangement of inflated barriers. It will teach you how to move under fire and make coordinated tactical decisions. That being said, speedball, like any other sport, is a competition governed by stricter rules that reduce its training value.

Woodsball, on the other hand, is intended to be closer to a simulation instead of a regulated sport. The playing areas are much larger, and they take place in more natural environments. In my opinion, woodsball has more training value than paintball does.

However, paintball is far from an ideal combat simulator. The tactics themselves will be different, given the limited capability of markers. Obviously, you won't develop proper weapons-handling muscle memory.

If I had to train infantrymen on a budget, I would consider paintball as a useful training tool. However, I would not want to use it so extensively that they focus more on the particulars of the game/sport, as opposed to focusing on general soldier skills such as movement, communication, and fast thinking.

>>31391027

Meant to say "woodsball has more training value than speedball"

>>31390883
>nig

Your beserking perk removes pain inflicted in battle

>>31390919
That sounds fun as hell. Is there a website or anything?

>>31390919
We do this in Alberta, Skyline Nation Paintball south west of Calgary, once a year main event.

For the tenth anniversary last year, the host removed the ticket sales limit, had almost 300 people total show up for a 4 day paintball war / campout.. its normally limited to 100 max because of legalities.

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>>31389882

Having done milsim airsoft in my youth, this is entirely true. Even the actual infantry militaryfags admitted that they'd do dumbass shit in airsoft that you would never do in combat.

Plus, fat dudes aren't invincible because "muh i can't feel it" in real life.

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>>31391043
kek

>>31389882
you gotta elaborate more than that. I get what you mean - you make decisions differently when you're facing mild pain of a paintball or airsoft vs lethal injury of firearms and likely take more risk. It's not entirely worthless though, you do learn some things, but you have to treat the training as if getting hit with a pellet would kill you dead.

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>>31390918
You'd have to be drilling and training with a 'this is a firearm' mindset against people with the same mindset to get anything meaningful out of it, it can be a training tool but going down to your local playing field as a walk on isn't really going to help you.
At that point either UTM or simunitions seems a better investment.
>>31391059
I think we have something like 120-180 show up annually for a multi-day game. This year was a real shit show though, the most widespread and blatant cheating I've ever seen in a game. First time in over 15 years of playing I've actually fought someone on field.

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>>31391043
>Your beserking perk removes pain inflicted in battle
Yes, Redguard have certain bonuses

>>31390883
>thinks because he's black that white teammates shoot him because of it
>victimizing yourself because of your skin color
Yeah, sounds about right. BLM called, they asked why you weren't there today.

Even tuned down to 300f/ps, you can use the guns to kill birds and stun small animals.

>>31391129
Yeah I know that, that's what I meant.

>but going down to your local playing field as a walk on isn't really going to help you.

Who said anything about going to a local playing field?

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>>31391168
>>thinks because he's black that white teammates shoot him because of it
>>>white
Regardless of who it is (I never mentioned white folk), I say what I said because I have heard the folks vocalize their intentions right behind me, several times, then act on it.

But, really, I was trying to legitimize my claim of "paintball doesn't really hurt" and what better way to make that claim more real than to tell what happened to me.

You're being sensitive. I'm not shitting on white people so much as I'm just telling you that some dickheads decided to peg me for one reason.

>>31391266
Generally when people ask about paintball here, anything else is out of their reach or that is explicitly what they have in mind.

>>31391312
Thats acceptable. Just don't make it about race or feel like because you're the only black person on the field everyone is aiming only for you.

I got hit on the very top of my head with a paintball. That fucking sucked.

>>31391312
Shrug. As a whitey I get shot in the back constantly by retards. I have no doubt some of it is on purpose as I get bumped around to keep the teams balanced. It just comes with playing up front like a non-faggot.

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>>31391051
Yeah look up Total War Scenario paintball... they have a Facebook page as well, but I dont have facebook so I couldn't tell you what they have on there.
It's at Action Paintball Games in Rouse Hill. Next one is on Dec 4th- Operation Black Citadel and I'll be there for sure

Pic related is me, my brother had a gopro. We were rear guard for a squad taking an objective since radio chatter was saying that there was a small group trying to flank them.
We set up in the trees below the objective in what we thought would be part of their flanking path.

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>>31391509
Just cuzzzzaaaaa yewww uhhmmaaaa mark up some wyyyyte church goers wiff my tippmann

>>31391526
>Shrug. As a whitey I get shot in the back constantly by retards
You've probably got curly hair and no one can blame those that harass curly haired whities


:^)

>>31391377
I get that, I was referring to actual Military post/units.

Though, that is my bad for not stating right off the bat.

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>>31390919

Goddamn I want to do that someday. I always dreamed about it back in high/middle school.

This thread's bringing out the nostalgia, boys.

>>31391312

Quit shitting up the thread nigger. Go to /lgbq/ or whatever.

>>31391597
It's naturally a little wavy I guess but not like movie star spent an hour on his hair wavy, just dark, no ginger or jew fro present. I do have a white streak from being bunkered that people notice and assume I bleach on purpose. Some faggot decided he'd shoot me point blank in the head a dozen times, didn't bother to apologize or anything, and the hair there hasn't grown with color ever since. After that just about everyone I was playing with that day started over-shooting him and giving him as many bonus balls as they could get away with when he was walking off the field, he called it a day after a few games the cunt.
I just assume they're butthurt I shot them out or that I'm not poor, or more frequently that they're legitimately dumb, bad players.

>>31391677
No worries. I wasn't trying to shit on your post, just point it out.

>>31391720
>Go to /lgbq/ or whatever
A-are you ok Anon? Your sensitivity is quite concerning for a big boy (is that what momma calls you? :^) I'm on your side, believe it or not. In all seriousness, take it easy

>>31391734
You sound pretty gay, man and unfortunate.

>>31391805
You sound like a rental or a mexican.

>>31391597
>>31391734
Thats hilarious man.

I have super curly hair and white patches on the top of my head and on both sideburn areas.

People fucking think I dye it that way. Yeah because I love to have half white hair.

Got it through genetics. No pigment in those spots.

>>31391963
>Yeah because I love to have half white hair.
When did logic matter to the average folk that speak before thinking?

>>31389847
>>31389882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FmMfpGzYKw

>>31390597
paintball only hurts if you are a human vagina.

lol ITT: people thinking freezing paintballs does anything.

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>>31390919
We need to get a /k/ squad together for this.

Imagine, your having fun with your mates in the bush then the faint sound of an accordion pipes up in the distance followed by what sounds like mumbled serbian.

Then you see them, ~10 men in milsurp approaching, all of them shitfaced and like every drunk person are hungry for kebab.

>>31392087
see
>>31392025

>>31389835
Eh. Kind of. Speaking on Airsoft, It teaches you some basic important tactical principles. How to assault MG nests, don't attack bunkers as an infantry unit, basic unit cohesion, simple infantry tactics, etc. It's not going to make you into an oper8or, but it'll teach you something.

SWAT teams and the like regularly train using Airsoft. In fact, near where I live, there's an indoor field that SWAT uses to train on and there's a certain day out of the month where it's open to the public 18+ with a waiver. Anyone who wants is allowed to come in and try their best against the SWAT team. They practice certain situations, HVT Recovery, Hostage situations, stuff like that. It gets pretty wild. SWAT almost always wins, even in the face of significantly greater forces, but it is fun as hell. The SWAT guys are normally pretty good sports too. I've seen a small SWAT team of around 8ish guys wipe out 40+ people.

Airsoft can be cringey, but so is a bunch of 300 lbs guys going to the range loaded up in all of their tacticool gear. At least airsoft has the social aspect. It's just like anything else. If you get too far into it, you're a fag, but otherwise you're probably good.

>>31392185
I'd say this answers OP's question quite well.

Also. Man I'd love to go against a SWAT team in airsoft, sound fun as hell.

Cops DO train with paintball- it's called simunitions.

The building I work in was once used by the police for simunitions training- you can see the spots where people hid and the hits- under a staircase, behind a wall, around a corner.

>>31392185
Also, I won some Soviet equivalent of the Firewatch Ribbon from playing Airsoft. Me and this other guy single handedly held out this fake town called Toikovska or something like that in a Milsim game I was in. We were the Novorossiya rebels fighting against the Ukrainian army. We were ordered to hunker down in this shack and watch for enemy movement. We saw a patrol move nearby and took them out. We were the first unit to take contact and they just sent waves at us. Me and this other guy held off at least 20-30 other guys with just my AK and his RPK.

When the game was over for the day, the Separatist commander gathered all of the Novorossiya guys together and then dug up these Soviet medals and declared us the "Heroes of Toikovska". The medal awarded was supposedly "Hero of Luhansk: 1st class". It was a really funny moment.

>>31390958
They actually load functioning firearms(clearly marked and kept seperate from live service rifles to prevent a "mix up") with paint rounds to train with, and it hurts and can even kill under certain circumstances.

Basically paintball but with velocity in the thousands of fps

>>31389847
>balls are frozen
physically impossible if you understand basic physics behind condensation and can fathom what "water soluble gelatin" means

>>31392306
simunitions are wax bullets fired out of firearms. Not paintballs. Paintballs are barely acceptable for teaching cover based movement and little else.

>>31391002
>FWIW we used to take hot shits all over the airborne guys who came out and played expecting to fuck everyone up, both on the hyper/speed ball courses and in woods ball. It's just not combat and you can get away with things at 300fps that you cannot at 3000fps.

True dat. The 8th grade class before me broke even with marines who were using comms

>>31391257
It's basically 5.56, but louder

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>>31392407
>not freezing your paint balls in liquid nitrogen

>>31392407
I mean, Ive been on a field where I personally saw the aftermath of someone getting hit by a frozen paintball. just fucking google "frozen paintball" and check the news tab, a shit ton of stories come up

>>31389948
>rest in peace kid

>>31392087
They do freeze if they don't have anti freeze in them.

>>31393733
All paintballs have antifreeze in them, one of the main ingredients.
Winter paintballs have a different shell formulation to make them less brittle in cold temps.

>>31393689
I don't think you understand.

It's quite literally impossible to freeze paintballs. they'd don't freeze. If you put them in the freezer they just dimple and become inaccurate, they don't get any harder.

You probably just saw some retard using really old and shitty paint at really close range at above field rated FPS.

Monsterballs at 400+FPS will hurt more than
"frozen paintballs"

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>>31389835
Paintballs, no
Simunitions, though

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>>31394278
I have one of the paintball guns designed for police training from back before simunition existed.
Pic related but not mine
Mines FA only and only have 10 rounds left. Pretty hard to find .375 paint and the use of a pistol primer means most fields won;t allow it now.

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>tfw you think paintball actually hurts and avoid getting hit
Why am I such a pussy?

My gun accidentally goes off on nonwhites in their sensitive precious area when they're on the field.

>>31394427
you're not
your instincts are intact

>>31389860
The trick is to start small,.

Shoot yourself with smaller bullets to build a tolerance to bigger bullets.

>>31392366
Are you talking about simunition?

>>31394868
For self-preservation?