M&P confirmed garbage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqt1_GVW5s

>>31386025
he even said himself

"dont take these test too seriously, its non scientific"

Leave it to /k/ to blow every single torture test out of proportion

jesus christ

>>31386439
Real world tests rarely are scientific. That's what makes them real world.

The gun couldn't handle being dunked in water. Not mud, not sand. not dirt, but pure clean drinking water caused the gun to fail on the first shot and then completely fail on the second round of tests.

>>31386025
>Glock reigns supreme.
More like Arex reigns supreme.

>>31386439
If any of these tests he does have any scientific consistency, it's the water test

"Leave it in the water until the bubbles stop" for each pistol. M&P is the only one that failed.

i have an M&P 9 with the apex trigger (the whole kit).
>unscientific test
>sample size of one
>aftermarket trigger
its hard for owners of any gun to admit its faults because theyre emotionally and financially attached. but when the results are this glaring, its hard to just explain it away. i can say truthfully, as an owner, its embarrassing.

even before this test, i found myself liking it less and less every time i shot, with the shit trigger and the inaccurate barrel. its also quite bland to shoot. overall, i wouldnt say it was a waste of money but i should have just gone with a glock 19. this test is really just the exclamation point on my feelings about the m&p.
im going to try dunking it in water, just because im curious now.

>>31386025
wtf I hate the vp9 now

>>31386614
>>unscientific test
>>sample size of one
>>aftermarket trigger
i forgot, i mentioned those things because the gun should work despite these issues. and it didnt. not only did it under perform, it choked on a bag of dicks.
thoroughly embarrassing for m&p fans

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>>31386025
Oh noes, my gun has faliures to fire cause waters!? I better throw it away.

>>31386025
>Striker meme guns getting BTFO every time
TOP KEK!

>>31386614
I don't think the barrels are really inaccurate, it's just the trigger is kinda odd and it makes it difficult to shoot without practicing a lot, or if you're used to another gun. I was kinda upset the first time I shot mine (Leo trade-in one) thinking it was basically a shotgun, but then I went back and tried it out again and it was a fucking laser. The trigger pull on it just takes some getting used to, at least with the factory one. I haven't tried the apex trigger.

As far as this test goes I'm kinda tempted to duplicate it because it seems odd just water could fuck up a pistol like that.

The Arex is objectively the best pistol to ever exist.

>modern american firearms
every time.

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>>31386025
It's the VP9 all over again

>>31387059
> some glocks are being manufactured in georgia now

>>31386468
In that assumption you would be a bit off.

What makes test scientific is repeatability. It means (to put it very short) that all the conditions are documented and then repeated according to documentation.

No test is absolute of course, but you have to start from somewhere. And then you repeat and repeat and repeat it until you gain that insight whether anything you do corresponds to reality at acceptable level.

You want to also get results quick, which btw is often the achilles heel of very many testing protocols regarding their connection with the real world testing.

MAC indeed has a sane test series going on. He repeats the series in a similar manner on each particular firearm. I can't see any major deviations from his testing protocol.

>>31386468
No DI ar can pass that test

>>31387369

his favorite pistol failed and now he must rationalize his bad purchase instead of selling it and getting one that withstand water

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZTRjXD7AVU

>>31386948

There are plenty of guns that can fire multiple shots while underwater, glock being one of them. M&p can't even handle being dipped... that's a shot gun.

>>31386025
S&W must have forgotten to mail him his shillbux this month.

>>31387173
just wait for the inevitable drop in quality

>>31386025
>clog your gun, any gun, with shit water, dirt, semen, animal meat and whale blubber
>"I-it doesn't W-work!"

>>31387386
ARs aren't blowback last I checked.

>>31387386
lmao what

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>>31387556
>only gun thus far to fail so spectacularly from tap water
Found the M&P9 owner

>>31387556
dont exaggerate, it was clean tap water. i didnt think it would preform as well as the arex because of the opening between the slide and frame but i didnt think it would fuck up so badly. at this point, i wouldnt be surprised if a hipoint would fare much better.

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>>31387556
>starts raining
>gun fails

>>31386533
>more like arex reigns supreme
true. glock only had the failure with the slide not running home, which could have happened to the arex. even MAC thinks the arex test was a fluke. still very impressive for a slav rip off of a sig

>>31387033
>I don't think the barrels are really inaccurate,
the first 2 years of m&ps had accuracy issues if hes talking an old one hes probably right

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>>31386025
Good to know I made a tits choice on my very first fucking handgun.

Was thinking no matter what I got that I would be falling for a meme... Fuck, what a relief man.

>Glock reigns supreme.
Must be why they have a maritime spring cup huh.

These "tests" are a pox. Bunch of faggots online acting like they're going to be conducting trench warfare in patagonian mangrove swamps when. It's humor when Mattv2099 does shit you would never do, but when MAC does it it's suddenly going to bankrupt a company and cause mass suicide

I can't even fault the testers since this is the shit people want to see. It's like the batoning for guns. What's next, crotch rocket red line competitions to see which one takes the longest to lock up?

>>31387439
>he must rationalize his bad purchase
I don't think tossing my fridge down a flight of stairs would make me regret my purchase just because it got some dents in it

>>31387496
Well, they've been doing it since the early '90s. Still waiting.

>>31388013

buying a gun that can't function in the rain, under the assumption it would, would be a painful experience for anyone

>>31387750
I'm not sure how old mine is, and from what I've read that's correct but there's also a lot of conflicting info out there. The dimples on the barrel thing is supposedly due to which machine produced them, not the age of the barrel itself like you keep hearing online.

>>31387961
The G17 he tested was a stock gen 3. No marine cups.

It didn't fail in the water.

>>31387589
AR15s if submerged will explode.

>>31387472
This.

>>31387961
Ah Matt, the only gun youtube channel I subscribe to.


So when is MAC going to start using sex lube, rubber bands, zip ties, marshmellows, chainsaw oil and saw dust and eventually run over each gun with a tractor over hard ground to find the supreme champion?

>>31388065
Really?

>>31386468

Nigger this isn't Half-Life, you can't shoot things from under water. I think it takes less than 3 ft of water to completely neutralize any threat from a firearm.

>>31388217
Where in the video did he shoot under water, champ?

>>31388143
Yes look up the h&k m16 test which pits a m16 vs an 416 the m16s gas tube goes boom.

>>31388143
>>31388301
Piston guns can blow up too. It's not recommended with any gun. The first shot is going to nowhere near the zero also.

>M&Pfags on damage control

>>31388217
They should just make tank armor out of water. Way more effective desu.

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>>31388301

This?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU

>>31388401
Yes

When every gun has finally been muddied and shot by a roided out faggot on youtube we'll have three acceptable weapons. That clone Sig, a Turkish shotgun, and a Hi Point C9. It's probably not a great idea to judge a 100,000 pistols based off the performance of one of them with an unknown history and make. If you do this shit enough even your favorite king of reliability is going to break. That's how machines are.

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>>31388441
it's literally a H&K commercial lmao, do you expect it to be an unbiased scientific test? it's like pic related that people keep posting. it's literally an infographic from a manufacturer of piston ARs.
anyway, a 'direct impingement' AR will not explode after being submerged in water unless you dont give it any time for some water to leak out the gas tube. If the gas tube is clear, it'll most likely work just fine like in any other video you can look up of ARs being fired after being dunked in water.

>>31388512

Why do you whine?

>>31388401
But what about all those commercials where I see the Navy SEALs rising up out of the water with their rifles at the ready?

>>31388338 everyone please visit arg and post shitty pictures to eat up their image limit.

>>31388512
AR-15s aren't DI. Your pic is why Wikipedia isn't considered a valid resource in academia.

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>>31388482
Haha. I looked up reliability tests for the Beretta 92. Found some fat mouth-breathing faggot running the "test". The Beretta ran flawlessy in his sand and mud tests, but then the fucker literally locked the slide open, used the pistol as a scoop to get sand into the chamber and action, and then bitched when the Beretta failed.

These YouTube tests are pretty fucking moronic.

>>31386025
We knew the M&P couldn't handle water from one of his older videos. Unsurprising desu.

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>>31388582

>>31388581
>people disagreeing with me is whining
>>>/r/eddit/

>>31388676
>people disagreeing with me is whining

Even in such case where everything happens in plain view in front of All of us?

Whiner.

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>>31388696
what does that even mean you fucking autist

>>31387766
You didn't get one of these piles of garbage, did you?

Shit. My xds empty the whole mag under water.

Call me a fag I don't care but as a glock fanboy the MAC torture test videos make me happy. The glock has done pretty damn well and currently the 2nd best behind the Arex pistol

>>31388013

That dented fridge is still functioning like how it's suppose to. Your shit gun does not though.

>>31388893

You're a fag....I agree with you though.

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Meh... I had to get an extra power striker spring to work with my lighter sear and set off hard primers. The glock striker is pretty much the same strength spring so the only thing I could see being different is the striker channel not filling with water for the glock.... I would have thought the sear plunger, or the trigger bar loop would have been the weak link since they seem like they would hold the most debris...

>>31388602
Yes they are, why do you think there's a gas key on the BCG?

tfw my first pistol was an M&P9. feels bad

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>>31387463
Missed the pic, huh?
Pic related, a shot gun.

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>>31387386
Kek

>>31388482
>MAC
>roided

I know you don't lift but do you even fucking lift?

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>>31386025
TFW I just bought an M&P as my first handgun

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>Non-stock M&P = accurate results
The APEX kit he probably has is the one that replaces the striker spring along with the trigger. This may have been the reason for the "hydro-lock."

>inb4 Caught the M&P fag

>>31392917
>https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Details/191817
presumably, this is what MAC has. it does come with a sear spring but its listed as "heavy duty"

>>31387712
I can tell every time you post because you type like a mong. Granted, you're also cockriding some gun you've likely never even held or fired, while also sucking the big polymer dick of Glock™©®℗℠§ brand Glocks™©®℗℠§. In short, you're a faggot.

You can find a video of any gun malfunction in any condition

Why wasn't there this much autism when the gen 4 and now M model Glocks recalled a week into production?

>>31393147
because glock perfection and news suppression techniques worked.

They were quietly recalled and brought back without any videos of the malfunctions leaking out.

>>31393055
Even then, that much more mass in the springs "chamber," since there's more spring material, could lead to that much more room for error.

If you were under water and shot your gun it would be so loud you'd go deaf

>>31393575
.t guy who knows nothing about audio

>>31386025
I always knew M&P was a shit. M&P fags literally BTFO'd

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Kek, into the trash the M&P goes. At least the water wont get to it in there.

>>31386025
>MAC
im not watching this shit
but someone tell me how long it took him to compare it to a tavor

>>31388747
No. I got a Glock 43 for a practical cc.

Now it's onto a fullsize Glock and later, a semi-auto AK. Probably G17 or G19. I haven't decided yet, but I do want it to be 9mm.

>>31393780
>inb4 "faggot wants 9mm ak? Top kek"
I mean the Glocks...

>>31386025
>brought to you by the Tavor™ channel

After firing a couple hundred rounds from that piece of shit, I can't taking anything from him as nothing more than entertainment.

>>31388040
I'm sorry, was that a rain test or completely submerging a gun underwater.

Do you cc when you scuba dive? Pool side shootouts?

>>31388894
Where is it advertised that it should run after submerged and how often are you swimming over to retake oil rigs with a pistol. Gonna forget about the whole "immediate action" part?

>>31386025
People still watch his videos?

>>31388582
>>31388301
>>31388143
let the gun train for two seconds instead of firing immediately like a retard and it'll be fine

>>31395051
MAC is a hobbyist that doesn't know anything advanced about shooting similar to how /k/ knows nothing about guns short of knowing what the difference of a magazine and a clip along with some political knowledge.

Just a bunch of gear enthusiasts trying to pass off as shooting enthusiasts.

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>>31395111
Removing the obstruction fixes any similar problem and yet mud tests are still used for trolling when opening the rifle up and giving it a shake will fix it no matter which rifle it is or what's in it.

Kek all these people defending the M&P. All the handguns mac has tested like this so far except the arex are guns that were designed to be chosen for the military trials to replace the 1911 back in the 80s and the m9 in recent years.

>>31395178
It doesn't take advanced technical knowledge to know that the M&P took a dump on this test. Discrediting the author only serves to make you look mad that it failed

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>>31386065
if i have to listen to Joe Biden talk about how Hillary cares about people for 30 seconds one more fucking time

>>31395471

It sounds like a cool marketing term for guns though kek.

YOU CAN'T HYDROLOCK THE GLOCK (maritime cups TM)

help me out /k/, how can I justify my continued ownership of this gun?
>inb4 you can't

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I'm still going to buy an M&P45 and give zero fucks about this video on the internet.

>>31386642
Tl;Dw. Why??

>>31387659
My sides are in orbit

>>31391883
>Meme generator

Yeah you're right

>>31396097
Dude I hated the trigger on that, compared to my shield 9

But it was a buttfucked range rental so... Ymmv

>>31388217
It's not the fact that it can't fire underwater it's the fact that getting dunked in clean water will cause failures.

Just fuck strikers in general.

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>>31386439
>>31386948
>>31387496
>>31387556
>>31388027
>>31388131
>>31392917
>>31393721
>>31394581
>>31395051
>>31395178
>>31396097
M&P owners on suicide watch.

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Should have rather posted this one for all the butthurt M&P owners.

>>31395942
Kek, I got a vortex ad, and have never seen a hilldabeast ad on YT.

Quit browsing reddit fag.

>>31395007
There happen to be bodies of water all around us. Streams, rivers, lakes, puddles. Is is really so crazy of an idea that your handgun might end up with water in it?

>>31397082
Yes. Yes it is. There will be very few situations where you will drop your gun into water and then immeaditly have to fire it.

>>31391883
Don't worry, as long as you don't dunk your gun in a container of water before you use it you will be ok.

>>31386439
Kek. What this anon said^

>>31397089
I dropped my phone in the toilet once, and I needed to use it right after that, but couldn't.

That's why I got an s7.
Never again.

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What if youtubers tested cars like this. Bought a subaru forester and drove it off a cliff then tried to drive it and say "SEE! It failed the torture test its u reliable!!!!"

>>31393062

Please at least try and contain the butthurt, it's getting embarrassing.

>>31388605
Ya people dont understand guns are machines. You cant remove the oil from a car to torture test it then bitch when the engine seizes. Maitenence, and intended use mean nothing to a lot of gun tards.

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It wasn't long ago that everyone wrote off whatever MAC had to say until he started doing these torture tests which people only liked because it benefited their shitposting.

Almost all of these guns are being used in agencies and services throughout the world with and without issues, no exceptions for brand. Even Glocks have problems. Just ignore the shitposters. It's just people who want to validate why they did or did not buy something and they get a kick out of you feeling like you have buyers remorse.

>>31397127
They do perform crash tests on vehicles, and Subaru does pretty well, others don't.

They also test vehicle performance in water, sand, and mud.

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>>31397127
>dipping a modern carry handgun in water is the same as demolishing it

But then again maybe at S&W it is, lel.

>>31397166
Driving through mud is not the same as opening the oil fill cap pouring in samd then running it.

>>31397166
And the crash test implies its not driveable after... Thats not reliability its a saftey thing.

ITT: Blockfags blocking blockily

>>31397184
>>31397191
Valid point, I concede.

But glock is still better

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>>31397127
>driving a vehicle through water
Man that's too crazy.

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>>31389520
That's not a real shotgun.

Stop posting that picture.

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>>31397225
>glock is still better
Yeah Im having a hard time finding a counterpoint to that argument. Touche anon.

Posting my favorite flavor of shitposting.
>hur dur Beretta passed the sand test or something!

>>31397254
Druve through water. No submerge in water pass the air intake then running it when the bubbles stop. God damn youre retarded, good luck with life anon.

>>31397159
This guns and oxymoron.

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>>31397369
>if the jeep isn't a submarine it doesn't count!
Any other requirements?

>>31397352
I don't understand why people on this board like glocks as much as they do. I have been unimpressed every time I have shot one.

>>31395942
>>31397055

>getting ads
>2016

hahaha

>>31397254
>>31397455
>JK
>TJ
>same jeep

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>>31386025
>supreme
>still had several failures where the ARex Zero1 didn't
Let me fix that sentence.
The AREX reigns supreme.
Trade in all your Glocks and buy ARex's.

>>31397922
more like
>getting ads
>2009 and beyond

bwahahahaha

>>31397583
Theyre cool in their own right. Minimulist. Clean and reliable.
"Ugly and all business looking".
I like SDA triggers and prefer no safety as well. I dont like striker or that cheesy trigger safety thing.

I could write a thesis on why buying pistols should be based off 90% aethetics. All triggers and styles function differently and you have to train on any trigger. And 10% is if you want a safety or not. But reliability and such is pretty great across the board on all major firearms.

>sample size of one

His testing methods are easily reproducible. If you want a greater sample size, feel free to run the test yourself. Whether MAC is the one doing the test or not is irrelevant.

HiPoint test when?

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>>31386025
>Koral and Ian start making mud tests
>this fucking idiot doesn't want to miss on the autism cash bandwagon and cames up with his own version which is not only worse but is stupid too

>>31386025
>wtf I hate Smith and Wesson now

>>31395721
>pistol military trials
this is a good point, i didnt even think about that

>>31388217
heh i just watched that mythbusters too.

>>31389057
get out

>>31396429

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=502KryEguA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WIIKje1g2s

in conclusion: fuck the M&P

>>31388217
Actually in, the Original Half life, the Glock 17, crossbow and crowbar were the only weapons to work under water...

Of course the spas-12 was also a double barreled ahotgun...but hey it was the 90's and you can't win everything.

>>31397583
Due to their size, capacity, and weight they make a lot of sense for carrying.

>>31386025
>Torture tests
>the current year
>still relevant
>MAC
Stop watching the dude trying to sell you shit from his gunshop.

>>31402844
>carrying
>something without a safety or a da/sa trigger

No.

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>>31403134
>actually wanting an external safety or SA/DA on a carry gun