First AR

>>31371434
Dont be a faggot and buy an overpriced piece of trash, get a M&P sport.

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>>31371469
I was considering S&W but I want T6 aluminum, is this a stupid meme? Is the M&P with tac rail worth it over Colt? Thank you for the response

>>31371434
colt le6940's are $870 at walmart. where the fuck are you?

>>31371491
M&P sport II lower is 7075 T6. and Colts are generally overpriced for what they are (hence losing their contract with the military).

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>>31371539
Colt's Jew website

>>31371434
Why do you even want the 1:7 twist?

Don't be one of those guys that pays extra for a pony on his gun.

>>31371567
.223 and 5.56

>>31371539
Where are you? Walmart stopped selling ARs after Sandy Hook because of
>scary black baby killing WMDs

You have ARs in your local Walmart, let alone Colt's and not just M&P Sports?

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>>31371572
I don't intend to. My initial choice was M&P15 2, however I want a tac rail for grip

>>31371574
Are you planning on just shooting heavy bullets?

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>>31371585
Yeah definitely heavier grain like Hornady TAP 70gr

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>>31371584
nigga you can just like customize and put whatever trash you want on it.

>>31371583
Further research shows they announced the intention to stop selling ARs some time ago (article I found is Aug 2015), but they haven't actually stopped yet.

Guess my area just phased them out before the rest of the locations. Forget my question.

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>>31371603
>remove barrel and replace

God I'm a fucking retard.

>>31371583
yeah, i do actually. Boise, ID was selling them all day today. they had DPMS, S&W, and i think Rock River too. some Bushmasters but those were sold out ($699 for a basic E2S carbine).

$5.99 for 20rd boxes of .223 brass 55gr's too.

>>31371583
>>31371612
>>31371618
Based ID keeping the good shit on the shelves.

>>31371612
i think they're in "don't renew contracts, sell all existing stock to recoup any losses and make some profit".

>>31371434
>1500
Just buy a good Lower and some BCM upper with their KMR or another high quality free float rail or buy a complete Daniel defense rifle for an extra 100 or so

>>31371614
If you are buying an AR-15 and refusing to put a part you want on it yourself, you are retarded.

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>>31371636
>refusing to put on yourself

Hey hey now anon senpai I may be a dolt but I'm not a dildo. Definitely want to learn all about assembling shit myself, just have been raised by a liberal faggot my entire life and have only been limited to .22 lr, 12 ga 00, and 20 ga. I'm fucking excited :3

>>31371658
Dude, there are only a million videos on how to disassemble an AR, you are going to have to learn eventually whether it's before you want to instal your quad rail or after doesn't really matter.

>>31371434
Just letting you know, OP, I bought a stainless steel barrel AR before and it's really hard to keep the barrel unrusty in a humid area.

I ended up buying a Colt LE6920 because I like the chrome lining protection. I actually still don't trust melonite protection on nitride barrels.

>>31371718
Do you live in fucking florida? Stainless steel is own of the most commonly used rust resistant metals, I dont think you can fault that on the gun.

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>>31371718
I've just been looking for something that is moderately priced, can take whatever I feed it (5.56 or 2.23 of nearly all grains), and has inexpensive parts that can be replaced/alternated.

>>31371797
With the most common grain on 5.56 and .223 being 55 in the civilian market, I would recommend a 1:9 twist M&P sport II.

>>31371718
What isn't there to trust? It's a chemical reaction that's been used before on metal for rust resistance and added hardness.

>>31371764
>I dont think you can fault that on the gun.
Stainless steel for guns is actually shit on rust prevention for gun barrels. That's why the minimum you should have is nitriding.
>>31371852
Doesn't really beat CL on that issue.
Also, high humidity areas or really cold places can fuck guns up good without chrome lining.

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>>31371837
Can the M&P fire 70 gr Hornady TAP? If not what modifications would i make?

>>31371718
>Just letting you know, OP, I bought a stainless steel barrel AR before and it's really hard to keep the barrel unrusty in a humid area.
>I ended up buying a Colt LE6920 because I like the chrome lining protection. I actually still don't trust melonite protection on nitride barrels.
you seem a bit confused:

stainless barrels are very rust resistant because they have significantly less carbon and much more chromium/manganese/etc in them by mass. they are known for their rust resistant properties. are you sure you aren't doing something dumb with your barrel - or that's it's even real stainless?

chrome lining is easy to clean, and is durable and cheap. which is why the military loves it.

it isn't as good as nitrating or QPQ or ion bond, or other alternatives, generally speaking.

also melonite = gas nitrating process. it's a trade name. melonite and tennifer are also trade names for pretty much the same process. you can't have melonite "on" nitrate barrels - it's a surface treatment/conversion of the upper few microns of the surface of the steel the barrel is made from.

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>>31371434
>2016
>paying 1300 freedombux for a bog-standard AR

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>>31372006
>2016
>haven't paid shit yet

Ishggydt

>>31371949
Stainless steel for guns is actually shit on rust prevention for gun barrels. That's why the minimum you should have is nitrating.

unfinished stainless will rust, it's just more resistant to it. it isn't rust immune. corrosive salts in surplus ammo will damage any barrel, if you are using very old imported steel cased 5.56 like norinco or tula.

the major ding about chrome lining, is that even electroless "hard/industrial" chrome lining can develop damage if chipped or cracked and this will expose the area between the lining and the barrel to the elements - rusting it away and flaking the lining off. seen it several times in very worn barrels.

>>31372006
i bought a complete PSA upper/lower for $459+ shipping/tax/transfer. came out to a little under $600 for a basic bitch "premium" AR.

>>31372005
>stainless barrels are very rust resistant

>it isn't as good as nitrating or QPQ or ion bond, or other alternatives, generally speaking.
You can leave a CL barrel unattended for 2 years and it won't fucking rust after 2 thousand rounds.

Melonite and tennifer, based on how good a company applies it, can become rusty even just through exposure to the environment. The same case applies to the new Glock generations.

Stainless steel is basically the fucking steel directly exposed to the elements. Stainless steel is not as rust resistant as you think it is. Just because it says "stainless" doesn't mean it won't rust. Because it will, especially in a really humid place.

>>31372044
>2 thousand rounds.
Must be non-corrosive ammo then.

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>>31372022
i built my AR with full magpul furniture, massive Daniel Defense freefloating quadrail, Bushnell optics, Surefire light, 3 p-mags, carry case and cleaning kit for a hair over $1100. these days AR prices are so low you can get a huge amount of bang for your buck, there is no reason to even consider spending so much on a basic rifle layout just because the rollmark is different.

>>31372067
When you buy those parts, are they MPI tested and stuff?

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>>31372067
Thank you, I knew a decent reply would eventually surface. Thank you anon senpai

>>31372044
>can
Jesus no, stainless has has less corrosive properties then nitride. However you can melonite stainless steel for maximum protection.

>>31372123
I have two ARs that are simply in a collection, never been used. The stainless steel rusted within 6 months even after replacing the factory gunk in it with a premium CLP. The chrome line rifle became easier to clean the 2nd go around with the same premium CLP.
That's simply one anecdote, but I can understand why people would not choose stainless steel. Because even if stainless steel has less corrosive properties than other steels, it is still steel and it will still corrode and rust. You have chrome lining for soldier rifles because they treat their guns like shit due to job demands going into the crappiest jungles.

>>31372067
Is Magpul furniture really that good?

>>31372123
just read his response: >>31372155
he's a lost cause. let him believe what he likes - easier to take his money.

>>31372164
magpuls a step up over generic a2 stuff. its also slighlty heavier

>>31372189
In what way is it better?

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>>31372077
all the major non-name brand components are from PSA, the upper and lower shipped fully assembled and just needed to be slapped together when i got home. the bolt carrier group is a Nickel Boron coated HPT/MPI bolt and the barrel is a mid length stainless steel thin profile (not pencil) that i painted over with high heat spray paint.

after a year and a half and a couple thousand rounds on range trips it has performed flawlessly with only a bit of interior wear, which is to be expected of lower end manufacturers. the only modification ive ever had to make is adding an O-Ring from Home Depot to keep the two receiver halves from wobbling, which is extremely common.

>>31372041
mine was during their Black Friday sale, the so the prices and configurations were a little different than normal. still it was $350 upper, $190 lower (not blemished), $90 BCG, $25 charging handle, which is $655 and the rest in accessories.

>>31372209
most psa "blemished" stuff isnt even blemished, they just know people will pay an extra $30 for the same thing if they dont see that word.

>>31372198
without sounding like took much of a salesman, Magpul set the standard for modern plastic firearms components, especially AR-15 stuff.

they use modern aerospace polymers to produce strong, rigid but lightweight and durable components that replace conventional parts quickly and always remained affordable to regular people and tier one high spec operators alike. they are usually lighter but have a much better grip texture on parts that need it and introduced a lot of smart engineering like enclosed stock latches, the BAD lever, storage compartments and modular M-Lock system that fundamentally changed how you used parts of your rifle. a lot of what Magpul does has been done before but Magpul parts are reliably well built and use a consistent design language that is aesthetically pleasing and identifiable.

>>31371434
Colt is kind of overpriced.

>>31371469
M&Ps are fine but he can get something much nicer for the budget he's looking at.

>>31371718
Stop storing your rifle in a marsh.

>>31372164
I think it's more comfortable.

>>31371434
quad rails suck
$1300 is no longer a competitive price for such a setup

for $1300 you could build a better rifle

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> quad rails in fact, DO NOT suck (fuck you tacticool fags).

Lights, lasers, optics, backup sights and possibly more. Why the fuck are you sellin it short?

>1300$ meh.
My dad bought a colt for that price in the height of the arms feeding frenzy of 14. Could be better. Either built something worthwhile or dont buy an AR like a common pleb

>alternatives
Ak47 rocks. For 800-1200 dollars, you can buy a badass 308 ar platform with quad rails. FALS rock too.

(PS - AR 15 platform in 556 is garbage unless you have 20" barrel anyways.)

>>31373209
MLOK does the exact same thing at MUCH less weight and bulk.

But even then, plastic is lighter than both still, MOE handguards have MLOK slots if I want to put on a grip or laser, but even then I can get a little rail piece that attaches to the bayonet lug, where I can fit a light or laser if I feel that is necessary.

>inb4 muh freefloat

>>31373209
>556 is garbage unless you have 20" barrel anyway
It's fine from a 16" barrel (heavier ammo exists, but even then M193 is good), if I want a shorter barrel, then .300 is perfect.

>>31373209
>Lights, lasers, optics, backup sights and possibly more. Why the fuck are you sellin it short?
quad rails DO suck compared to modern systems

>not free floated
>heavy
>bulky
>tons of unused and therefore wasted rail space
>forced to keep a handguard size relative to your gas length unless you go free floated quad rail
>no point going free floated quad rail as Keymod/MLOK options are similarly priced and just a flat out better option

>free floated handguards dont give two shits about your gas system, you can use whatever length you want
>attaching directly to handguard improves ergonomics
>decreased weight compared to any quad rail
>you use only the rail space you need for what you want to attach

>bought a colt for that price in the height of the arms Feeding Frenzy
cool he bought a colt for regular price during a time of massive price hikes, literally means fuck all

the only real reason to go with quad rails nowadays is for clone builds, a KAC drop in quad rail is going to set you back as much if not more than a 15" KMR/MI G3

>b-but i want drop in
go get Magpul furniture
>b-but muh rails
yeah its mlok suck it up
>i-i want metal
YOU WILL TAKE THE FUCKING MAGPUL FURNITURE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT WHORE

>>31373275
>not freefloated
Jesus /k/, when did you get so stupid