How would an American rebellion work?

There's a post from some alleged gov't planner on poll with the scenario. Unfortunately I don't have the cap on my phone. Good read, whether it's real or not. Hopefully someone will post it.

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>>31371138
>>31371165
Nvm, found it.

I personally think there would be a rift in the military, and any rebels would simply end up supporting separatist unit movements.

>>31371138
Go home, alphabet agency.

Yeaaaaaah.... There would be abrams tanks rolling through the oval office within minutes.

There are VEEEEERY few servicemen who would ever fight their own countrymen, under any circumstances.

Oh, I forgot to ask, what do you think would be more likely in the future, a succession or a revolution?

>>31371322
Secession. Any outcome to this would he bad for everyone involved. Either it would become self sufficent and the fed would want to reclaim it militarily, or they would begin starving to death, and beg to rejoin the union.

>>31371138
>Do any Americans have the know-how to make a homemade bomb or turn a truck into a technical?

Yes. Both of those are Third World simple. With our access to resources and better technology, we would be doing things like building backyard cruise missiles. High school kids would be making drones in shop class, arming them in chemistry class, and programming them in comp sci.

Oh jeeze, don't even get me started on the cyber warfare aspect. Both sides are going to be hacking the living shit out of everything they can get ahold of. Insurgents will be siphoning funds from banks, loyalists will be trying to block and trap them. Utilities will be targeted for tactical advantages. Inventory systems will be tweaked to procure or hide critical resources. And so on.

We are the world leaders in innovative fuckery, just for the hell of it. Give us a focus for that madness, and watch the magic happen.

>>31371199
The military wouldn't be involved. Doing that would be an admission by the gov that they've lost control.

Likely scenario would be, mil units being sequestered overseas or places like Alaska and Hawaii. Keeps them out of the fray and ready to roll if any foreign powers start sniffing around.

Majority of COIN ops would be handled as an LE function by any number of alphabet agencies and loyalist local LE agencies. DHS would be doing the heavy lifting. Loyalist governors would be calling up their NG troops for LE missions, separatist governors would be activating their NG detachments to form cadre for militia units.

You know how confusing wars are in the ME? Ours would be like that, for the same political reasons. Ours would be bloodier, because we're a little more competent and innovative.

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>>31372166
We dont have shop classes any more.

>>31371138
It would be extremely chaotic

>>31371181

Why would somebody tell lies on the internet? You honestly believe that some tripfag says he's the silver bullet to answer the thread?

He's completely full of shit.

>>31372286
i graduated high school in 99, and i took metal shop and wood shop. there was home ec, glass making, and i think sewing, but auto shop was shutdown a couple years before i even got to high school. this was east bay california btw.

do they not have shop classes anymore?

theyd assassinate key figures and do it intelligently to minimize the chances of being caught, then when the government inevitably cracks down on people who weren't even responsible, the resent builds and builds as the government gets more frustrated and unstable. the governments best bet at winning a civil war is to send cruise missiles at all vital dams and take down important infrastructure and hope they come out of the happening as the surviving power.

>>31372294
you're a calm guy.

We ride trucks to DC and burn down the White House.

Fairly certain that it'd be more like the troubles, but with higher motivation on both sides. So yeah, guys hiding out in the woods or their homes while making explosives for the next ambush.
>>31372273
I think this is realistic in that they will do everything in their power to ensure that the military cannot support the rebels. Though there is the concern of the national guard. Also, I can imagine we'll witness a phenomenon of servicemen going AWOL and a sudden increase in rebel attacks.

>>31372295
So none of what was posted is true. Tell me then, what would go down if a civil war broke out in today's times?

>>31371230
The ATF and alphabet soup agencies certainly would...

>>31372376

Take his first point. A marksman can take out a power grid, and states that the military need it more than anyone else.

A-you don't just shut down a power grid by shooting it. This is all sorts of retarded.

B-The army require it more than anyone. This is false. The military are completely self sustainable. It would also mean 2 things if they did need it.

Firstly it will be heavily gaurded. Secondly, if it was taken out, you'd piss everyone off in the area and take out your own power supply. No electronic comms, which stop your rebellion better than any weaponry. Generators are an excellent beacon to detection equipment, travelling after dark becomes extremely hazardous to any would be rebel. You esentially make the army's job easier in every aspect. They can operate around the clock.

I'm not going to sit here all dismantle the rest of his points, but if you can see that level of thought he put into his first, you can see how full of shit he is.

As for an actual rebellion? It wouldn't get off the floor. The Government specialise in neutralising threats before they start.

>>31372713

>t. Complete Retard

Entire transformers can be blown by shooting them with rifles, easily. Power lines can be severed, easily.

>heavily guarded

Yeah we'll plop down an entire garrison at every transformer and have patrols along every power line, no prob, EZPZ.

>piss off your own people

No, it will piss the people off at the government for not keeping their shit together, not to mention disorganized chaos inside cities will divert war material to maintain order inside large urban areas.

Also, you didn't even point out the largest part

>people's army

The US military will never betray its people. It is laughable to think so.

Not to mention that a rebellion won't be a second civil war, it will be small groups of guerillas and lone snipers picking off the politicians responsible for the unconstitutional legislation. It honestly isn't hard to do. If you go to DC and visit fast food places you can see congressmen and legislators. Fuck, I ate a chili dog with Tom Coburn.

Do you carpet bomb a town because a single guy shot a representative? Do you declare martial law nationally because some dudes blew up a Subway that had several politicians getting sub sandwiches?

Fuck no, you might as well smack a stamp on your ass and address yourself directly to hell, because that's exactly where the populace would send you.

The American government may do everything in its power to appear all powerful and mighty, but at the end of the day, they're fucking terrified of us, as they should be.

We don't have to kill the army and their tanks, we just have to kill the politicians and their lackies.

>>31372713
Is that why it's literally happened?

>>31371181
>/_._/
a magical place

>>31372838

Okay. Keep dreaming buddy. Can you imagine If someone in a ski mask comes up to the door and says

"hey, we're going to shut the power off to fuck with the government for a bit. Dont know when its going to come back on. Theres going to be some shooting, looting and plenty of people are going to die, but its all for a greater cause thats more than you or i. We're the good guys btw"

I can see that going swimmingly.

>>31372959
If the US government has fucked up so badly people are actually revolting, nobody will have a fucking problem with no power and some shooting.

Take away food, the right to free speech, and the right to free travel for a week and millions will revolt. You don't understand how easy it is to start a revolution.

>>31371230

>you will never be this naive

>>31372970

Thats the thing you're failing to grasp. The government represents stability. You try and convince people you're the better option by trying to tear it down. You will lose.

Theres never a clean cut scenario where people will drop everything for a new option. Reality doesn't work like that.

>>31372959

What the fuck are you talking about?¿

Seriously, that's actually the most retarded strawman I've seen yet, not to mention you ignored the bulk of my argument.

>skirmishes between guerillas and government forces
>tensions extremely high
>power loss to an entire city
>people start looting to survive
>government is forced to allocate resources to maintain order amongst average citizens by supplying food and water, and then supplying soldiers and cops to protect the infrastructure
>guerillas keep knocking off supply transports and assassinating soldiers
>city becomes a complete black hole of food, water, war material, and even soldiers
>soldiers eventually say "fuck this, the government can eat a dick, I love my family"
>government runs out of willing troops
>government implodes

>>31373015

Again, it won't be a second civil war, it will be a series of assassinations that will force the government to abandon the destruction of the Constitution.

>>31372300
Class of 00 Bay Area. We had 0 shop options for anything. Also they nixed drivers ed in 01

>>31373015
No, you're failing to grasp that shit has to already be extremely bad for a revolution to happen. Once it gets bad enough the US government is gone, your average person will gladly take the physical protection and aid of militias, guerrillas and Russia/China over empty promises from suits in Washington.

I'd like to remind you that a city wide power outage in NYC back in 1977 resulted in 300 million dollars in damages, over a thousand fires started, and over 3 thousand people arrested.

It lasted a day.

The moment NYC and other large cities lose power for ~2 weeks, people have to ration their food, the internet is out, the TV stations aren't saying anything and police are caving in the heads of protestors, a revolt is actually on the table. You don't understand how quick this shit can happen. Most people (250 mil+) haven't been in a power outage for over 2 days.

lol if power lines were that easily guarded the butte fire in california would have never happened
trees got intp contact with pg&e power lines and eventually started a fire that burned 70,000 acres

>>31373040
millbrae 04 here
took drivers end in 02
we had auto shop
there physically was a wood shop but i don't know if there were any classes using it

>>31373046

So we're talking cause and effect? Okay.

Lets take off the tin hat for a second.

What would have to happen for people to completely abandon the government and fight for a new one? If it's outside factors that toppled the government (another country perhaps) then you don't have a rebellion. You have factions vying for power.

If it's inside factors, such as a homegrown rebellion, then this scenario is the in realms of make believe. You'd have to convince people that you're the better option. You'd have to take action to destabilise the government, which will not be popular with 75% of the population. Possibley even more.

And what you're citing was criminal. There was no attempt to overthrow anyone. And as you rightly pointed out, it lasted a day. Practically nothing. No superpower emerged, just mindless looting. And who stopped it? The government.

To start a rebellion, try a little exercise. Go to a street where you know absolutely nobody. Knock on the doors and tell people the government is wrong, and you're right. You'll know what a jehovas witness feels like.

>>31372959
>I can see that going swimmingly.

Britfag detected, just go fuck yourself already.

>>31373026

So you're saying anarchy is the best option, and within that anarchy, people will align themselves to the guerillas who are causing the problems?

>>31373083
>guerillas who are causing the problems?

How would they know?

>>31373073
His point was obviously that if every major city has powercuts like that it will tie down tremendous resources to deal with it.

>>31371181
>Surgical strikes
>US ARMUHEE MARKSMEN
Stopped reading there, pretty sure bubba fudd almost fucked the west coast a year or two back because he thought it was funny to shoot at a sub-station that happened to be pretty crucial.

>>31373090

Take a guess. Who's got a media machine in place that paints them as the bad guys?

>>31373083

No...

I'm saying you turn cities into black holes, because the government has an obligation to aid the cities, the guerillas do not.

While the government is dealing with the cities, you either install a new government or you force your demands upon the existing one.

You don't need the people in the city to like you, because once the government capitulates, the food, water, and power come back to the city, and order can be restored.

>>31373083

The people in the cities aren't aligned woth anyone, they're trying to survive, and it is the government that will be attempting to maintain order, not the rebels. This means that the looters will be attacking government forces for their resources.

>oh I have no food or water
>the government compound in the CBD has plenty of food and water
>wait, even though there is no newspaper, tv, or internet, I have reason to believe it is the rebels' fault I am striving to death, so I will not attack the government
>as my children die of malnourishment I can rest easy, for the government lives on

Fuck no dude.

>>31373138

This raises more questions than it answers.

So you've already got a force trained, prepped and ready to go in and stop the looting and shooting as soon as the lights flick back on? When were this lot trained up? How did you manage to organise this nationwide without notice? Why would people listen to them?

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>american rebellion

>>31373152

They have more reason to comply with goverment efforts than to fight againts them. if its got to the point where people do consider attacking the government, then the rebels or whatever you want to call them have fucked stuff up so badly, they're not going to be popular. Action to make thing that bad will not go unnoticed.

Snipers anonns, lots of snipers...everyone thinks they are Vasily Zeitsev. It won't be a big boom type of situation..just a slow burn where things get steadily worse and eventually people get fed up and random sniping ensues.. but probably not going to happen..Americans tend to not go off the deep end..no room for revolution when capitalism is involved..hurts the profits

Would American people(or its military) actually bother to rebel if say, it was made obvious that democrats rigged the election but the judiciary just sat around and let it slide like the whole Email thing with Hillary?
Or do you guys think in that event, most people would just accept it and get on with their lives?
t. curious non-american

>>31373178
the whole drones vs civilians thing is a meme.
it wouldn't work.

>>31373152
more like
>oh i have no food or water
>the government compound in the CBD (australifag? they're the only ones that use that term) has plenty of food and water
>why are they not giving me and my family food and water, that is their job
>the government agents keep kicking anyone who tries to get food out, this is outrageous
>well, these rebel guys can't be THAT bad, they just broke into the government compound and now they're letting us take the food
>why is the government rolling in here trying to oppress us? we just want to be safe
>thanks rebels for getting the government to fuck off, oh wow look the new russian food shipment is here
>i have to say these russian sandwiches are really nice, fuck the US government they're not doing shit

>>31373181
you're making the mistake of assuming the government will always be friendly and helpful to the people. it's entirely possible the "rebels" are just people who want freedoms and better living conditions.

>>31371138
as rebels you want to be the RZ not the RAF ie keep undercover, work in small cells whilst remaining in society and often embedded within the state (though they weren't generally not law enforcement/military: that was a mistake for them).

>>31372316
For you.

>>31371138
There is an easy and very effective way to fight a goverment. But most people are too stupid for it.

Just do nothing.....literally nothing!
If all people unite and stop working and going to job the country is going to collapse within weeks.

Doctors only help people at home, farmers giving away theor stuff for free to the people, gas stations giving gas away free, nobody pays any banks or goverment related ports.

A country would collapse within weeks. And then the people with arms go and start killing evrybody who was loyal to the goverment.

Just imagine in besto korea nobody goes to job anymore, i mean they are starving to death anyway.

>>31371181
>Bane?

Everybody should read the 299 days series.

>>31373026
>>government runs out of willing troops
lol no. govt commutes low level violent offenders sentence to service with a healthcare/education deal: maybe a tax free cash bonus. Bring in foreign mercenaries from Europe, anglophone africa & south america on a similar deal plus service = citizenship. Keep them segregated and employ a media blackout when they are deployed inc cutting internet/phone access where they are deployed.

>>31373278

Congratulations, the ENTIRE US military revolts and you're hung from a lamp post.

>>31373238

>Australia

Nah, just a term I picked up from GIS/Human Geography courses.

Either way it's the same end result, the government loses almost all of its popular support.

>>31373173

>implying restoring order isn't a normal military mission

You just take the "new" military and reassert control of the cities, while sending out a general demobilization order to the guerillas.

Restoring order is easier when the rebels aren't smashing your food shipments and constantly fucking with your electric grid.

Once the rebels win, why would they continue to disrupt aid missions?

>>31373278

>generals holding together what's left of the US military, most of their forces have deserted or defected
>don't worry general, we're bringing in foreigners and criminals to fight for us
>...
>g-general?
>Mr. President, you are hereby relieved of your command
>attention all armed forces, cease hostile actions against rebel forces

Yeah that's a good meme. The US military is a people's army.

>>31373295

Still doesnt answer the question does it. When were new force trained and equipped? Its that big of an undertaking, the government would spot it and crush it before anything started. You're back at square one.

>>31371181
As much as this would be fun to believe, don't. It's almost pure bullshit.

However, Texas being independent and finally a habbenin would be breddy cool

>>31371230
>being this naive
>being this retarded

Want me to tell you how I know you're a dumb reddit newfag?

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Look at the shitstorm that illiterate farmers in Afghanistan managed to unleash on the military. Despite all the memes, plenty of Americans are very well educated.

Imagine the horrors that would be unleashed if every redneck with a welder turned their creativity to warfare. You'd have shit like technicals consisting of pickups with trebuchets on the back, launching drums of ANFO with proximity fuses before sundown. Pic related was the work of one man and it was only stopped by internal mechanical failure, nothing law enforcement did put anything more than a mild dent in the thing while Heemeyer caused millions of dollars of damage.

Moving on to the people with an even higher level of engineering there's all sorts of things they could produce relatively easily, whether they're professionals or enthusiastic amateurs. That guy who knocked over a toy store and stole all the quadcopters, guess what? He's rigged them for swarming behavior, attached incendiary charges and packaged them to launch and target a supply depot autonomously while he's driven back to his workshop to come up with the next box 'o' fun. A lone wolf who has no group for you to infiltrate and no associates for you to hold hostage has just burnt your entire weapons cache or fuel dump to the ground without even being there to watch it. Later, as you contemplate whether you chose the right side, you fall down a manhole cover that all the locals knew was loose but weren't inclined to tell you about because you're the evil oppressor. As your broken ass drowns in rotting leaves, you suddenly realise why you keep finding bodies by the outflow of a storm drain.

>>31373351
>internal mechanical failure
IIRC It collapsed the floor of a hardware store and coudln't get out of the basement. Pretty sure it was fine, unless you count driver suicide as mechanical.

>>31373366
The radiator overheated because it was under several inches of composite armor (cement and steel plate) and blew. You can see huge amounts of steam erupting from under the armor near the end.

>>31373351

Farmers didn't do anything. A well funded terrorist outfit that had a base in pakistan which rendered them untouchable caused all sorts of havoc.

Their power in afghanistan was destroyed within a matter of months. If international oppinion wasnt what it was, you could occupy afghanistan indefinitely, if taking a few casualties every week was acceptable. Which it isnt.

>>31373330

Are you fucking retarded?

>government capitulates
>government is now run by former rebels
>the army, without being hinded by guerillas (since they in essence work for the guerillas now) are allowed to restore order

Are you dense?

>>31373419

Big assumptions about the army there.
Are you dense?

>>31373306

Sounds like the plot of that christian marines book from the guy who jerks off the Germans a little too hard.

It won't.
First everyone that might even think about doing shit is already on a list.
Most people will roll over and hand over their guns the moment the officer, backed or not by a squad of soldiers and a armored vehicle or two, order them to comply.

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>>31372838
I would like to remind you that Castro's revolution in Cuba was successful despite it being composed of a bunch of guerillas fucking around in the forests, and some spastics sabotaging shit in the cities.

By attacking infrastructure, you divert resources and attention to maintaining order in absence of that infrastructure, and begin eroding public confidence in the government.

The government might be able to pull the "wtf i hate rebels now" routine for a while, but the people are going to start wondering why the military is incapable of protecting them or their cities.

>>31371138

Don't worry about it.

>>31373103
Keep reading jackass, he literally said that/

>>31374172
Americans haven't had revolutionary spirit for the last 150 years. They haven't even had a desire to win a foreign conflict since the end of WWII. They march to the beat of the government's drum with only the quietest of grumbles. It is only by the mercy of your government that you're allowed weapons at all.

>>31374172
the main goal of disruption isnt necessarily to cause damage or kill. a big goal for terror cells is to errode confidence in the government. does it annoy people? sure. but cops looked a lot less confident and in control after Dallas' blm shooting, didnt they? the atf looked a lot less invincible after shooting themselves, dying, running out of ammo, and retreating across an open field at Waco. the US marshals looked a lot less in-control after coming to a draw in a firefight with fucking teenagers at Ruby Ridge. it certainly was flailing its arms about after OKC bombing, 9/11, and even the Boston Marathon.

daily reminder that hezbollah does public infrastructure and is a semi-state, which is what an american revolutionary arm would likely emulate.

>>31371230
So Kent State never happened?

>>31374284

Or that veterans thing that Patton ended because he was ordered to. With men he served with, no less.

>>31372300
Pennsylvania fag reporting. We had metal, wood, welding, and electrical shop classes at my high school three years ago. I doubt much has changed since then. They were very popular

>>31372286
My friend' high school was a aviation and engineering school. They had shop and comp sci classes that were mandatory

>>31374172
Castro won out because of a fluke, Batista fled before the rebels (both communists and anti communist groups), even reached Havana.

All the Cuban style revolutions by Che in Africa and latin America failed pretty miserably.

If you want a good revolution to base an insurgency read about Giap and Mao.

>>31374444
Nice quads.

Also, that stuff happened in ancient times there is no way a rebellion or a revolution could happen in modern societies, too much sourvelliance, too much apathy, too much government power, too much compliance on the part of the population.
A revolution is impossible, it will be squashed before it start and the would-be founders labelled as terrorists stopped by the heroic act of the government, now give in more of your rights so that this will never happen again, it could have been worse you know? And the population will clap and cheer and gladly give everything away for more comfort and security.

And I wouldn't want it any other way, it's the way of things and going against it is a perversion of the natural order

>>31374251
>daily reminder that hezbollah does public infrastructure and is a semi-state, which is what an american revolutionary arm would likely emulate.

An American guerilla/revolutionary force would make sure to keep local co-ops in power so they could provide locally based electricity, water, and phone for people.

>>31374621
Are you sure? seems like a rosey way of thinking about it. Rebellions with the best intentions still often resort to pillaging civilians, executing suspected collaborators and eventually fighting other rebels.

>>31374646
The US is a huge place with some states having cities/towns relatively far apart. Small towns would be bastions for rebel groups, because the populace would likely be a part of the rebel group.

Think about all the fighting and back and forth that goes on in a nation the size of Syria, when the US is 53 times the size of Syria. The US would be a quagmire of different groups all over the place which would attempt to capture territory and move together to solidify their control.

A revolution in the US would have to involve many people from local areas. The US is too large otherwise. You'd need at least a million people to revolt to be able to fight the government effectively, even with guerilla tactics, and preferably you'd want millions, since the US armed forces total around 2 million.

Obviously, that number has its limits. You can't drop all 2 million personnel into an area to quell a rebellion. You have economies of scale that guerillas can take advantage of, as well as the previously mentioned infrastructure attacks.

>>31374336
the Bonus March / Bonus Army. Patton and MacArthur literally killing unarmed Americans on American soil.

We asks our new syrian neighbors for some tips and tricks.

Have any of you heard of FIRST? It's a series of robotics competitions, based in the US, with three levels, where high schoolers design and build robots capable of accomplishing tasks both autonomously and while controlled. There are over seven thousand teams that compete in the 18x18" category alone, and three thousand that compete in the one 28x38x60" category. Each team has between five and thirty members.
Most of their season involves actually designing the robot; building it is pretty easy. And if you don't think they're resourceful as hell, you're wrong. Did you know peppermints are wonderful insulators? I didn't, until my team had issues with one of our drive motors shorting out and some kid cut one in half and used it as a donut spacer for one of the wires. It took maybe fifteen minutes from diagnosis to repair.
If you don't think the US military would have an issue with robot-based IED's, or just IED's in general, you're dead wrong.

>>31371138
Outrage when Obama doesn't wear an American flag pin, rebellion, pick one

>>31372300
'02 FL here. We still had shop/home ec but both were fairly mundane and rudimentary. Auto shop was extremely hardcore though, those greasemonkeys all graduated with jobs and are probably making more than most of us that fell for the college meme.

>>31374251
You can't expect the unexpected

>>31373103
Your reading comprehension is pretty shit, bub.

>>31374715
This.

Think about all the bad neighborhoods where the gangs are the law and cops dont bother to go.

This. Every 20 miles or so with local/region specific rules. Beirut held together because when societal rules broke down the populous fell back on tribal laws. In the US we got a couple of decades of pop culture to fall back on. It wont be tidy.

>>31374621
aka, provided by the American Revolutionary Front

>>31374730

Yeah. Pretty despicable honestly. It really shows that the military will turn against civilians, and even men they served alongside in combat.

>>31373178
Drones sure are unbeatable. That's why the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya have gone so well.

OH WAIT, THEY'VE BEEN HUGE DISASTERS

>>31371181
>New York and California don't have farms...

welp, that was a waste of my time.

>>31371138
be tough to organize without the color of legal authority. that said the US has lots of different legal authorities. if state governments started rebelling shit would get very weird very fast.

although I think if we got a block of states seceding alla 1861 I very much doubt the rest of the country would have the will to force those states back in...in fact they'd probably wish them well.

>quick New England, now's your chance.

>>31374541
suck my dick doubleniggerfaggot

>>31372300
I got a pretty good understanding of this... Class of '08, first in a Chicago suburb and then transfered to a small town in Iowa. No shop class, auto repair, agriculture, etc in the urban area, but once I got to the middle of a corn field, they had all of those and more. Small engine repair, drafting, architecture.. Wood and metal shop, welding, etc. Never took any of them because of the other reqs I had to fulfill, but I had some of those skills already and the ones I didn't I acquired over the next few years.

>>31375277
NY doesn't have enough farms to feed NYC by itself.

I suspect California could not feed its major cities by itself either. Certainly not once the ravages of war interrupt the already-tenuous supply of water needed for irrigation.

>>31373046
I was without power for 6 days during a blizzard in central Iowa roughly 10 years ago.. I was cold, bored, hungry, and irriitated. I probably would have gone to the rebellion just for something to do.

>>31374541
Syria was pretty modern.

>>31375374
who's cutting off the Colorado river exactly?

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>>31375374
Cal and the West Coast in general, is probably pretty viable on their own.

>>31372166
there are some americans who buy old trucks specifically to turn them into technicals and we arent even in a civil war, they do it for shits and giggles.

same with bombs. they sell explosives at sporting goods stores in the US.

for fun.

all of this isnt even considering thay there are a lot of americans who already own their own personal military hardware. mortars, artillery, tanks, trucks, helicopters, fighter jets.

like seriously.

>>31372273
the alphabet agencies dont have enough people, like, the government is chronically short staffed everywhere all the time in EVERY AGENCY. They can barely handle shit when its operating smoothly.

remember how fucked the gulf coast was in the aftermath of Katrina? Imagine that but nationwide

>>31375579
If the Colorado river is so great, why is California constantly rationing water?

They already barely have enough water, and there aren't even saboteurs blowing up pipelines or pouring motor oil in it.

An American civil war is horrible all the way around. First the issue woukd have to be serious enough to make people want to risk dying or going to jail for life. So thats getting roughly 1/3 of the country on one side.
Second, civil wars dont just happen overnight. They take years to ferment. You can see them coming (BLM kinda fits this).
Third, we are talking at least 50 million people dead due to starvation and disease. The insurgents would be blowing up bridges and highways to slow or stop troop movements, this also prevents cities from getting food. Then they usually attack power and water distro, because it shows the people the gov isnt in control and can perhaps get the gov to negotiate.
IEDs would be common place. Railways would stop being a thing over night (troop movements). Airports too, because that is a symbol of gov authority (TSA) and we cant have the gov using all that jet fuel as a back up when the refineries get blown up!
So that 50mil estimate is just starving people caught in the middle (women, children, old people) starving to death kr gettng sick. Thats not even factoring in the collateral death/ damage from fighting.
Perhaps the insurgents will get artillery and shell a city or military base (either captured arty or supplied covertly by Russia/China/Iran).
This is also not even accounting for a multi-sided conflict like a race war tied in against the gov (like Syria) and killing each other and civilians of the wrong color/religion.

What does a rebellion in the US look like? It looks fucking terrible. Dont wish for this shit. Hell you might end up supporting the federal gov if its the Fed Gov against BLM or US ISIS groups.

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>>31371138
>how would the people go about it?
By wishing there weren't so many damned blue helmets every fucking where.

>>31375803
>implying the Feds aren't the ones bringing ISIS agents here and hiring BLM provocateurs.

>>31372713
>Take his first point. A marksman can take out a power grid, and states that the military need it more than anyone else.
>A-you don't just shut down a power grid by shooting it. This is all sorts of retarded.

nope, thats actually exactly how it works.
Seriously. I could elaborate on this, but I like my netflix and air conditioning

>B-The army require it more than anyone. This is false. The military are completely self sustainable.

Lol, what world are you living in? The entirety of the US government is completely dependent upon US industry. Let me know when the mil starts manufacturing its own anything and growing crops.

>Firstly it will be heavily gaurded. >Secondly, if it was taken out, you'd piss everyone off in the area and take out your own power supply. No electronic comms, which stop your rebellion better than any weaponry. Generators are an excellent beacon to detection equipment, travelling after dark becomes extremely hazardous to any would be rebel. You esentially make the army's job easier in every aspect. They can operate around the clock.

The point of taking down the grid would be equalizaing the conditions in which both forces are working. You're also neglecting to consider that there would be many many citizens not involved that the government would be responsible for but rebels wouldnt.

>I'm not going to sit here all dismantle the rest of his points,

because you cant.

>but if you can see that level of thought he put into his first, you can see how full of shit he is.

You seem pretty angry.

>As for an actual rebellion? It wouldn't get off the floor. The Government specialise in neutralising threats before they start.

Lol, what government would that be? The one that neutralised ISIS, Iran, the Japs, the Norks, Al Queada, Mcveigh, 9/11?

when? tell me...

The government is giant slow moving machine filled with 90% people just trying to get a day closer to retirement and 10% equal parts right and left fighting each other

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Would anyone put on their stalker mask and go innaundaground ie sewers and such.

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>>31371138
Have you ever played Arma 3? It would like that, but the other way around. The Iranians and Russians would help us civvies just to earn some land on American Soil, and the U.S would be backed by NATO. It would be the 1st Revolution all over again, only in the opposite direction.

We would eventually lose the war, but not without inflicting major damage to infrastructure, disabling it for the U.S or Russia/Iran. This would lead to mass chaos, and another small war would spark right after, within the first 2-3 weeks after the first one ended.

Mostly Americans fighting the Russians/Iranians to push them off their land.

Basically,
>Civvies attack Federales
>civvies loose
>Russians try to take land
>civvies band with their brotheren once again and push back the ruskies
>a new respect is earned from our government.

Also, pic related would happen.

>>31374768
FRC was the shit. Amazing what simple mechanisms with good code can do

>>31373073
if jehovas witnesses werent somewhat succesful there wouldnt be any to go around knocking on doors

>>31373106
that media machine is pretty fucking useless without electricity

>>31373208
>hurts the profits

so do large money destroying bureaucracies

>>31373211
no.

americans are no different from anyone else.

it would take being physically miserable.

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>>31372838
>The US military will never betray its people. It is laughable to think so.

lol retard

>>31373351
>You'd have shit like technicals consisting of pickups with trebuchets on the back, launching drums of ANFO with proximity fuses before sundown.

MUH DICK

>>31374198
>It is only by the mercy of your government that you're allowed weapons at all.

Don't you have other threads to monitor mr. ATF man?

>>31374172
castro had the help of william morgan fighting parallel to hm. he was an american who organized and fielded a rebel group that fought and won more victories in cuba than castros march 26th movement did before castro siezed power.

>>31374198
tell it to the guy on the bridge

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Would u guys shoot dindus and loots nd stuff?

>>31374541
>Also, that stuff happened in ancient times there is no way a rebellion or a revolution could happen in modern societies, too much sourvelliance, too much apathy, too much government power, too much compliance on the part of the population.

yeah, a rebellion could never happen in a police state.

like Syria or Libya

police states control the populace via fear...not via best practices and good police work.

>>31373030

If you start killing Congressman, do you really think they won't double down on "unconstitutional" security measures? You're describing the fast road to tyranny.

>>31376564
And those unconstitutional security measures will just piss off more people.

Consider the drone strike campaign we've waged against mudslimes. Every ISIS or Al Qaeda operative we've predator drone'd had a family and friends, all of whom now hate the US.

It is easy to take down grids. Look at the NY black out, or any bad weather event.


To keep them down. Start shooting linemen when they come to fix it.


Soon no one will want to come out to fix the grid.

>>31372713
You're wrong.

t. High V Electrician

>>31374715
>since the US armed forces total around 2 million.


that number includes troops stationed overseas, the coast guard, the navy, and also support staff that dont fight and would literally serve no purpose domestically.

>>31371138
The problem with /k/ is that these threads always revolve around the word WAR. Could the people win a war against the governement?
Who cares.
This is not how government are toppled.
The War of independence was a war between states.
The Civil War was a war between states.
Both have nothing to teach us about how we could overthrow the government.
If it was to happen it would happen like the Bolshevik revolution, or the French revolution(s), or the South American revolutions. If your scenario involves some extended period of fighting it is not realistic.

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>>31376637
>Every ISIS or Al Qaeda operative we've predator drone'd had a family and friends, all of whom now hate the US.
So... we shouldn't kill the people trying to kill us because it will make their families mad?

>>31374730
in fairness, everyone seems to forget that the bonus army was demanding that the government pay the compound interest on their bonus's that wasnt due until 1945.

its literally like you taking out a 30 year mortgage with the bank and the bank showing up next week and demanding you pay them the full amount of the loan+ the interest that would be due in 30 years

>>31372959
haha, shut off the power and you close out 90% of msm sources into homes, shut out the msm for long enough and people's brains will begin to tick over

Get people thinking long enough and they'll take a hard look at the bureaucracy infecting their lives

That's when the rebellion has the chance to gain a foothold

>>31375277
calis problem is farms. its the water that would get shut off

>>31371230
Sir I point you towards the American civil war. They'll be lied to, but they'll still do it.

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>>31375686
>There are Americans who own artillery and fighter jets

>>31376564
the more you tighten your grip Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers

>>31373306
Those men are already gone, now the general staff is composed of gentleman's club faggots playing grabass collecting fresh seamen for another shiny new pin on their lapels. Don't even get me started about what they've done to Navy COs.

>>31376832
lol, look up the littlefield collection.

that was just 1 guy.

there is an entire website devoted to americans that do this as a hobby.

and yes, fighters and bombers and ships, oh my

>>31376738
This is why Obama instituted the double tap, where they bomb the house again a few minute later to get the family members trying to find survivors

>>31375738
They also have probably the highest density of aesthetically arranged water works in the whole country, most of that water goes on display and then gets flushed out of the system.

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>>31373211
Hillary will win
Nothing will be done
You can't quickly oppress people in the present in first world countries.
You gotta do it slow.
Limit free speech bit by bit
Restrict firearms to fudd hunting rifles
Monitor the citizens in secret
Disappear dissenters
Over the course of decades.

>>31376890
just makes it easier for team freedom

>>31376832

There -are- americans who own artillery.

>>31377050
One of my coworkers built a civil war era cannon from scratch with a forge and everything. When he died, they used it to fire his ashes into the ocean.

>>31377140
A forge? Do you even forge cannons? How the fuck do you forge cannons?
Related note: my HS had welding, and a lazy teacher. Apparently some of the students got creative over the course of a week and they welded together a cannon. Then they put a garbage bag of oxygen and acetylene in it and set it off.
Windows broke, school was cancelled, swat showed up, charges were placed, teacher was fired, fuckery ensued.

>>31373040
My niece just took three years of autoshop in the bay area- graduated in '15.

>>31373265
I've suggested it a couple times, glad someone else has read it.

>>31377317
I don't know, it's not like I can ask him.

>>31372166

>mfw Tannerite patch gets sniped

>>31373103

yeah you cant make this shit up, and just imagine if it was somebody who knew what they were doing.

>>31373138
In fact the resistance will offer people in the city a safe haven in the countryside and promise of food (even if it is just "tomatoes and corn").

The cities will decrease in pop by 90%.

The military may fortify there but a large city would be mostly empty and burned out.

And the infrastructure there would be gutted eventually over time.

>>31373282
This is likely to happen IMMEDIATELY anyway.

Thats why Obama has NOT declared martial law already.

And he cant seem to weed out the people who're against him because they stopped openly disagreeing with him.

Hillary is his only chance at a 3rd term, and she's dying, and the only people who poll in her favor are paid.

>mfw no obama 3rd term even though everybody keeps going on fear-porn about it

>>31371230
You think the US military is fond of the civilian population?

>>31375843
>implying the feds like BLM

>>31377645
Just because your military raped your family doesn't mean they're all bad.

>>31373211
We didn't do anything when Republicans did it in 2000.

>>31373306
>>Mr. President, you are hereby relieved of your command
Oh great. Military Junta, those always turn out grand.

I've been around long enough to remember when these threads were all pessimism about drone strikes and raids killing everyone who ever even googled "what is the nra". What's changed?

>>31372309
investigate911.org has a good read on the black nobilitheand how in an extremely removed fashion continues the tactics you listed to curtail independent settlements and establish puppet govornments.

I don't believe it all bit it's a facinating read for any human anywhere in the world.

>>31378831
The internet changed.

Humanity awakens once the realization of death is immonent. Some choose to die in a passive state some will rise to glory.... Whatever their cause may be. They will fight.

>>31376564
You got a better plan?

>Rothchild Zionism is the alternative and we as HUMANITY will die while suffering immensely because of the nazi tactics, right?

Clearly you're lost.

>I just wanna see who's got what and wtf gets disgussed here.the goal is survival. I do believe the majority are not in an independently sustainable position. Who is to blame? Educational supervisors. The 1%. Your own personal vices.....

What does your ideal share? Long term. War is naturally short, like a fist fight.

>We are no longer in the age of traditional warfare. The 1% are truly imposing slavery with the imposition of fiat currency. Start there. Independence, respect, and sharing are the cures.

Know your enemy, because even after all the fighting blows over.... Those who wish to own your vices might still be around.

Why are so many of you arguing that no one would even bother joining a rebellion? If it ever got to that point the gov. would have to have done something extremely drastic. Sides would have been picked before a war would have even started.

>>31372300
I graduated this year. Yes there are still shop classes. My school just called it "fabrication", but it included basic wood and metal working. In fact, in my area, most everyone goes to a Tech. school. I never was able to fit any shop classes into my schedule, but I did convince my AP chem teacher to let us make a very small quantity of thermite.

>>31372838
>>31372959
>>31376431
>fundamentally misunderstanding why rebellions happen

Rebellions aren't driven by standard cost V reward processes. They're driven by frustration.

Look at the American Revolutionary war, if you look at the issues at hand, kind of unfair taxes and the death of a few people in Boston, they themselves are not big issues. We pay much higher taxes now than the colonists ever did and the government fucks over and kills people fairly regularly, why aren't we rebelling? What causes rebellions is the perception of a push.

When President Yanukovych started shooting protesters in the Maidan, it went from a protest that would blow over into a full on revolution. The protesters felt the government push them and they pushed back.

Going back to the Revolutionary war, do you think that Washington's soldiers were sitting at Valley Forge trying to warm their feet with thoughts about how if he wasn't out here fighting, the cost of paper would increase slightly? No. He was there because he saw British troops take Boston, or the assault on Bunker Hill, or the burning of his farm, or whatever other reason he had.

Rebellions often happen because of how the government responds to an issue, not the issue itself. It's a small step from a small fistfight over an unpaid wig, to a full blown revolution as evidenced by the Boston Massacre and the American Revolution.

All it takes for a rebellion to breakout is a push. It can be a shove, like in Ukraine, or a finger jab, like in America, but once it happens it snowballs quickly.

Just like a normal rebellion but with bacon and burgers in the logistics

>there will never be a communist revolution to combat shitty capitalism and the bourgeois

Feels bad, comrade.

>>31373351
Underrated post
>>31376441
I thought I was the only one who got a hard on reading that

>>31371181
concerning the power grid, it would take much to cause huge disruptions. i work at a electric company and you'd be amazed at how old some of the wooden poles are. we have some still in service from the 50s....if the government were really serious about infrastructure protection, they'd subsidize the power industry way more than they already do. that shits important....

Just not stand up when the national anthem plays thats how real rebellions are done.

>>31379788
kill yourself

>>31380009

Eat shit, capitalist pig.

>>31380070
You first, slavaboo.

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>>31373351

Its not just the single men you need to worry about either, its groups.

Timmy V and one of his lads manged to, through dubious channels, acquire 4,800lbs of explosives and cause 848 casualties . What could a motivated group of 20 or 30 people do? Average or otherwise

This is the problem you have with revolution in any post-industrialized state really.

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>>31376738
This is y we should kill them all

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>>31371138
Probably like this.

>>31380098

Not a slavaboo, honestly. I just agree with communism.

>>31376738
>Kill 1 terrorist, his 25 sons of his 6 wives become terrorists too
>cycle nevar stops

>>31371181
oathkeepers racist?

but there are black members in the oathkeepers

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>>31371138
I swore and oath to defend this country from all enemies foreign and domestic. If a bunch of jackasses start committing terrorist acts against fellow American's under the guise of being a "revolution" they are a domestic enemy. DEATH TO THE TRAITORS

>>31371230
Yes, every civil war in the history of civilization is no indication of how one on 'murrican soil would go.

>>31371230
I suppose they would just let fellow countrymen shoot at them, then?

Why do you think the military and the American people are some sort of hive-mind that all agree with each other?

>>31376512
I heard hes in jail doing a life sentence

>>31379788
Just wait for global warming and automation. With frequent and worse natural disasters, disruptions to the food supply, and massive unemployment, the next 20 years will be fertile ground for revolution, comrade. I've already begun to form my vanguard.

>>31382492
Did you just say
>rebelfags BTFO
Because that gives me a hard on

>>31374191
>>31375044
>Stopped reading right there
Why the fuck would I read a post when the guy starts off all retarded?

>>31371138
i always imagined it would just be like the militants in iraq that we could never get rid of (pre-isis). i think it would always be a losing war with the rebels, but it would be obnoxious as fuck for the government to try to completely eliminate the rebel groups

>>31371181
FBIanon from /pol/ confirmed this is legit

>>31371138


Okay Autists.

Have a read of this. Outlines a realistic scenario and how it would be handled.

http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/full-spectrum-operations-in-the-homeland-a-%E2%80%9Cvision%E2%80%9D-of-the-future

>>31372838
>I ate a chili dog with Tom Coburn
I'd say you should have killed him right there, but knowing Oklahoma we'd probably just vote in someone even dumber

>>31385293
>The Scenario (2016)
>article was written in 2012
>first paragraph is about muh right wing turruris attacking innocent PoC
Meanwhile in reality we have BLM terrorists gunning down police officers and blocking major highways, goaded along by the (((media)))

>>31385805

Thats not the start of a rebellion. Thats idiots with guns having a protest and the inevitable happening.


The article suggests a better scenario thats actually grounded in reality, compared to whats been suggested in this thread. If OP's question is "how would a rebellion be handled" then this is a good example.

If we want to cut out the start and get to the question of "how would a hypothetical rebellion fight againts the government" then thats a different story.

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>>31375277
all the farms are in red counties, anon.
you dumb fucking nigger

>>31373259
>Doctors only help people at home
You see why this doesn't work right? Anything requiring sensitive equipment/less common medicine is basically a no-go.

>>31377489
>actually thinking Obama wants to declare martial law and become dictator el presidente
How to spot an idiot.

>>31371138
I love how these threads are always about the evul libruls taking over.

While everyone alwways casts the far-right as the downtrodden masses, because people who constantly grumbles about the "degenerecy" of homos, minorities, and anyone else who deviates from their rigid definition of how a person should think, look, and act should be driven out if not killed, would never start a violent conflict.

>>31386645
learn how to type out a coherent thought

>>31386645
Just a heads up, most people who you'd classify as "right-wing" don't give a shit about gays, blacks, and trannies. The pervasive "guns, god, curbstomping blacks, killing gays, bible thumper" narrative is a product of the liberal media and the now-defunct RNC's pandering to methodist-catholics in the bible belt. A vast majority of republicans, libertarians, 3%ers, etc. just want low taxes, not to have things they don't like shoved down their throats, the ability to have guns, and just want to be left alone in general.
the liberals are the people who won't leave them the fuck alone

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>>31372273
I could see the DHS recruiting massive amounts of welfare reliant didntdus to form Einsatzgruppen style groups to fill in the bulk of the man power shortages.

>>31387424
you overlooked how, as dindus, they literally would not do anything

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>>31387016

>>31387424
now that would be a sight. and i thought shooting blue helmets would be fun.

you can see by this thread how divided the people would be in the civil war

>>31371138
Look at how they have historically started, the Spanish Civil War is extremely informative and gives a good look at how an American rebellion would go down.

>>31387016
This. Seriously this.

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>>31380451
You're so blind, you've already failed your oath. Patriot Act, warrantless spying, police check points, already used a drone strike to execute an American citizen without due process. Really, what the fuck are you doing? Your oath means shit to you, quit trying to sound tough.

>>31387424
>>31387480

I could see gang bangers being heavily recruited, in exchange for expungement and amnesty.

They've already got the necessary thug mentality, they're used to working within a hierarchy, and they know violence.

This is a win-win for the loyalists, because they're using two problem demographics to neutralize each other.

>>31380177
And there are some non whites are voting for Drumpf. Rethink your reply.

>>31380451
Kill your govenrment then, they are actual traitors

>>31384625
If I'm reading this right, he's saying all it takes is someone that's not even that good. That is, some people who are US Army Marksman tier. Basically, a low benchmark needed to screw things up.

>>31385293
This post is garbage.