LCS breaks down, twice

>>31370491
Thoughts?

>>31370567
Same cause as the other breakdowns, too soon for the fix to be implemented.

>>31370567

>Thoughts?

Scrap the Freedom-class.

Keep the Independence-class as an aviation-centric light frigate.

Install anti-ship missiles.

Harden the entire hull with steel. There is too much aluminum.

Simply the propulsion system.

There you go.

>>31370686
Sounds good

>>31370491
Lockmart shills on suicide watch.

>>31370491
The naval equivalent to the F-35 kek.

>>31370491
>Montgomery
Why would Yanks name their ship after a Bong general?

>>31370686
Only another $50m/ship goyim!

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>>31373504
They're running out of names desu

Can't compete when you have the RN naming ships like

>Astute
>Ambush
>Triumph
>Dragon
>Dauntless
>Diamond
>Defender
>Invincible
>Illustrious
>Ark Royal
>Vanguard
>Victorious
>Vengeance
>Bulwark

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>>31373577
Some Russian corvette, frigate and destroyer names are really nice.
>Watchful, Astute, Brisk, Perfect, Persistent, Loud, Mettled, Strict, Acute, Thunderous, Nimble, Intrepid, Inexpugnable, Unsubmissive, Watchful, Vigorous, Fierce, Vigilant, Strong, Striking, Clever, Friendly, Virtuous, Valorous, Active, Serene, Irreproachable, Harmonious, Impetuous, Heated, Ardent, Flighty, Fervent, Passionate, Unchanging, Proud, Loud, Threatening, Untamable, Keen, Striking, Zealous, Sharp, Frisky, Spirited, Bold, Modern, Reckless, Excellent, Circumspect, Impeccable, Militant, Steadfast, Winged, Impetuous, Rapid, Prompt, Intrepid, Thunderous, Impetuous, Leading, Restless, Persistent, Fearless, Eminent, Thoughtful

>>31373838
I bet each of those is their own class

>>31373504
Montgomery is a city in Alabama that predates the useless Bong general.

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>>31374150
Mostly these three.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steregushchy-class_corvette
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krivak-class_frigate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovremennyy-class_destroyer

>>31374254
>titty missiles

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>>31374273
Petite chicks with big tits.

>>31370491

"LCS" stands for "Laughable Costly Shit."

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When will America learn?

Hopefully never.

t.Chinese Patriot

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>>31374751
Also

>>31370491
>>31374751

American warships are made from Chinese dry docks.

http://breakingdefense.com/2016/09/us-navy-yards-already-use-chinese-built-drydocks/

Anybody who still believes that China isn't growing larger is ignorant. America's hubris is starting to catch up with her. Every day, they grow weaker and China grows stronger.

>>31374751
>three 054A for less than the cost of a single 054A

ok

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>>31374817
Anfd British Carriers are built with Chinese made cranes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_(Rosyth)

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>>31370491

Behold the Yuzhao-class. Displacing roughly 25000 metric tons at full load, this ship is equivalent in both size and function to the US navy San Antonio-class. It also features superior armament. However, it is 1/3 the price. China will grow larger!

>>31373838
I would love to serve on a ship called the frisky

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>>31374864
China's new Supply-class equivalent 50,000t AOE, built to supply carrier groups, probably costs just as much as a similiar commercial bulk carrier.

>>31374877

That cost has to come out somewhere. It probably means the ship is less survivable in an actual war.

>>31374864
>inferior armament to a San Antonio
>lacks powerful radars
>built to civilian specs instead of military specs

>>31374817
China is running a 280% total debt to GDP ratio, which isnt far behind the USs 330%.

China has the problem of trying to bring a billion people into a second world nation and still keeping their government in power.

They are a paper tiger.

>>31374891
Dunno about that.

Compartmentization isnt so much more expensive, and both civilian and military supply ships use similiar materials.

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>>31374915

>>31374934
>Compartmentization isnt so much more expensive

fascinating

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>>31374908
>powerful radars
>for an LPD

Yeah, no. They dont need that. Noone in their right mind would ever send those ships out without escorts. So it is uselessly redundant.

>civilian specs

No.

China building military ships to civilian specs is a meme.
China's ships take just as long to build as american naval ships, and feature the same amount of compartmentization.

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>>31374876
Here it is.

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>>31374938
I got my numbers from Forbes.
But when it comes to the chinese, their economic data is opaque as fuck.

>>31374915
>>31374938
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-28/digging-into-china-s-growing-mountain-of-debt

>Digging Into China’s Growing Mountain of Debt
>Data that breaks the country’s borrowing into its bank, corporate, government, and household components can help you get a more-nuanced picture.

>While certain industries and enterprises have a lot of debt, Chinese companies’ average leverage isn’t high, according to a recent International Monetary Fund working paper. Since 2006, listed companies that aren’t state-owned have reduced median liabilities to 55 percent of common equity. At state-owned enterprises, however, median leverage has been unchanged at about 110 percent. Leverage has increased at the tail end of the distribution, driven by rising debt at companies in construction, mining, real estate, and utilities. An increasing share of debt is attributed to a few companies with high leverage ratios.

>China is different from other markets in an important way. Many large corporations and nearly all the major banks are state-owned. In other words, the debtors and creditors are ultimately owned by the same entity. That means the country could address debt problems in some unusual ways. One scenario is the state could take from the prosperous—coastal regions or high tech, for example—and give to the struggling. Another is that the government could simply cover debt. Some unprofitable state-owned enterprises are supported by lending from their banks essentially to keep employment at acceptable levels. Such debts could eventually be absorbed by the state as part of its social welfare expenditures.

tl;dr

China's debt is a meme.

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I bet China's new carrier costs just as much as two LCS.

>>31374973
Thats not what that says at all. That basically shows that you can push the debt from one set of books onto another set of books. Its operation twist, chinese edition.

>>31374994
> Its operation twist, chinese edition.

Yeah, but a working one under Chinese conditions.

Debtor and Banks are both state owned.

>>31375011
You say that like it changes anything.

>>31375011
Building an economy based of churning isnt just frothing, it trying to blow as big a bubble as possible.

Just because there is no true price discovery mechanism in place in china doesnt mean that it no effect.

>>31375025
It does.

China's still a growing economy and there are still many places that are underdeveloped. This sort of debt cant be compared to the debt of a mature economy with 100% developed infrastructure. In China, that debt could just as well be called "investment and develpmental expenses".

>>31375011

>State-ownership makes your economy an infinite energy machine that can produce stuff without ever needing to pay.

>>31374961
>Yeah, no. They dont need that. Noone in their right mind would ever send those ships out without escorts. So it is uselessly redundant.

Thank you for acknowledging the 071 is cheaper because it is less capable.

>>31375060

But why does an LPD need a big radar at all? How does it benefit the mission of an amphibious warship?

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>>31375060
Less capable in missions that an LDP shouldnt actually be used in.
Such as air-defense and early warning.

The money saved can be used to build more 052D and 055s, that are actualy AAW vessels.

>>31375083
>>31375084
If you only intend to use your LPD as cargo haulers, then yes it doesn't need a means to participate in amphibious assaults. Its the same reason San Antonio's can be fit with Mk41 VLS.

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>>31374751
054As with the new HQ-16B SAM would be pretty capable.

While the HQ-16 series isnt as compact as the ESSM, they feature a higher engagement altitute (due to them being based on the BASED BUK), as well as faster speed. And now, upgraded with active radar seeker and 70km range (vs. 40km of the previous variant), every 054A is now equipped essentially with 'Mini SM-6s' and could provide effective multi-target engagement capability vs sea-skimmers beyond radar horizon.

>>31375170
HQ-16 is just a Buk copycat.

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>>31375708
>active radar seeker
>longer range than any BUK

yeah, it is based on the BUK (or rather, Shtil) but it isnt a copy anymore.

Also, it features TVC for better terminal agility.