ITT We Discuss Meme Cartridges

>>31367105
Kys for this post

>>31367105
that's a big casing

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>>31367153

>>31367105
(you)

6.5 Grendel.

It should have been amazing, both for distance shooting and medium game hunting. But for a variety of reasons, it never seemed to get the bullets or factory loadings it should have.

Now with PVRI's recall, Wolf being horrible quality for anything past 50 yards, and Barnes TSX getting no factory loadings, that leaves Hornady's 123gr loadings only, and those are too heavy to keep above 2000fps past 200 yards in a carbine.

At this point, it's a reloader's novelty. Everything Bill Alexander touched has turned to shit.

>>31367335
Honestly 6.5 Grendel probably would have some merit as a general purpose cartridge for the military, but I don't think they'll budge from their M4s and the 5.56 anytime soon.

>>31367105
>10mm
>meme cartridge
>BTFO'd .40 S&W

>What is 5.7 for 400 Alex

How does 6.5 Swedish perform against "refugees"?

>>31367686
No one's been able to try it for fear of hitting their wife/daughter.

>>31367539
If it was .5mm thinner it would be worth looking into.
But as it is, its too fat

>>31367686
I imagine pretty well.
It's just racist to even try.

>>31367105
What the hell is that pencil dick/chode fusion bullet?

>>31367105
.410 itself isnt a meme cartridge. Its been used for a century to hunt small game, its like a varmint class of shotshell.

The idea that you can put it into a shitty brazillian revolver and have a palm sized self defense shotgun is a meme.

Out of the stubby ass taurus judge barrel its basically useless. Hell, out of a regular length shotgun barrel its still only meant for squirrels and rabbits.

The .410 gauge isnt a meme, using it for self defense is.

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>>31367981
.50 Fat Mac (pic semi-related)

>>31367105
>10mm auto
>meme cartridge
Lurk less, read moar
I'm a 45acp glorifier and even I recognize the greatness of the 10

>>31368030
The Nightman really let himself go.

>Full Moon Mode

How is .410 a meme cartridge? Its still pretty popular for fucking around in my area, especially since its half the cost of a 20 gauge.

>>31368000
I will retract my accusation now that I think about it. 20 and 12 gauge are overkill for that size game. So it has a niche there and for old ladies with very frail shoulders who still want to shoot skeet. It would still likely suck for sporting clays and really suck for trap though. Also for .300 blk I could see it being used very specifically for wanting to run subsonic ammo suppressed in an AR-15 platform, but honestly why not just use an smg at that point?

>>31368064
And what greatness would that be? Practical defensive carry? Nope. Powerful enough for dangerous game? Probably not. It's the /k/ special snowflake.

>>31368030
I had to google that and then laugh. I will buy a gun in that, and tape pictures that picture to every box of ammo. Rest assured, I will store it next to my crow milk.

>>31367105
>.410
What

I don't think 300blk is meme. Buthe it is nitch. I use mine for hunting as a modern 30-30.

Meme 22-250 22-06 and ever fudge around here loves them.

>>31368164
I hope you've cultivated enough mass to handle the recoil.

>>31367105
.45 GAP is too obscure to be a meme

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>>31367558
>.40 S&W BTFO'd by 9mm
>10mm coming back as handgun hunting round
>ammo under 35c a round (granted it's usually .40-ish loadings but it's the thought that counts)

The memery of it is beginning to end
We are going to become Deus Ex soon with all the 10mm handguns coming out

>>31368106
I think hes referencing the taurus judge, the saiga .410, and the various .410 derringers that have attempted to sell .410 as a self defense worthy shell.

I guess I wouldnt like to catch a face full of birdshot or 3 buckshot balls at point blank. The sales pitch for such weapons is that it would be harder to miss than with a regular bullet, but at the ranges .410 is even effective out of a pistol or derringer sized barrel missing a man sized target isnt really even an issue.

Not to mention stopping power is going to be idiotically low.

If we are on the subject of useful varmint calibers being marketed as self defense rounds I would include the .22 magnum sold as the ultimate concealed carry self defense caliber meme.

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>>31367105
I mean really. Who thought this was a good idea?

>>31368067

Fuck you! He's cultivating mass.

>>31367105
.22lr

People will stockpile it in case of 'assault weapon bans,, even though .22lr will largely be unaffected
People who don't hunt will stockpile it
People who don't own a gun chambered in .22lr will stockpile it
People legitimately believe its a great self defense round
People legitimately believe the military should adopt it for LMGs

And all of this is from browsing /k/

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>>31368218
I'll take "things that never happened" for $200, Alex.

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>>31367335
>using meme rounds
>not reloading

>>31368296
Careful with that edge son.

>>31368248
Eargesplittenloudenboomer

>>31368338
that's not edge you retard, it's b8. how did it taste?

>>31367132
kys for not knowing this do you even /k/?

>>31368110
Its a classic example of something that is useful to operators being marketed to the public as a sporting cartridge.

The SF community wanted a caliber that supressed better than 5.56 but didnt trade off terminal ballistics like an SMG.

In short, supresses like a pistol caliber, ballistics like a rifle caliber. Its meant for supressed weapons in a specialized role being used by specialized dudes for special jobs.

If a Navy SEAL even farts in the general direction of a product it immediatley sells a million units to mall ninjas and guys who want to own something different and unique.

They can talk out their ass about their poorly formed knowledge of ballistics then justify it by saying such and such operator group uses it so it must be god tier.

300 blk is a great caliber for use with suppressors, as it was designed to be. Other than that its not very special.

>>31368248
4600 FPS is what it was tested at for muzzle velocity

>>31368285
I don't get it either really, it's probably just because it's cheap. Besides making sure you have all of the funs you want/need already, the best strategy would be to load up on high cap mags and whatever 'salt rifle and pistol ammo you need.

>>31368340
>>31368384


That's not what is in that pic. The Eargesplittenloudenboomer is a .378 WBY necked down to .22. That pic is a .50 BMG necked down to .22. It wasn't actually fired, it was just done for a goof.

>>31368186
Meme? 22-250 is the best long range varmit cartridge on earth. Prove me wrong.

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>>31368350
What are you talking about?

>>31368374
How much better are the ballistics and energy of a subsonic .300 blk than a regular .45acp or 147gr. 9mm? As soon as you drop rifle ammo into the subsonic range, I assumed it went into pistol caliber territory.

>>31368264
lost bad to this

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>>31368000
>judge is for .410
nah.

>>31368457
It has a better sectional density (ie longer for caliber), meaning better penetration.

>>31367105
>410
>meme

What? Why?
It doesn't have lot of uses but how is it a meme?

>>31368457
>"As soon as you drop rifle ammo into the subsonic range, I assumed it went into pistol caliber territory."
>speed is the only thing that effects force

>>31368457
Its similar to 7.62×39 out to 450 yards.

So you can have a supressed subsonic AR that still hits like a rifle at decent range.

It fills a specialized role in between SMG platforms and Rifles for operators.

It can reach out farther than an SMG to perform the tasks of an AR platform, but stays quiet like a pistol caliber.

My platoon spent a deployment as overwatch/QRF for a SEAL team. They keep a few around incase they need those capabilities, but its not too special honestly.

Most of the time they just used regular AR platforms and one guy would drag along a SCAR, if they really needed heavy fire we were standing by with a couple 240 bravos.

We used to get bored and hunt the coyote like wild dogs in the area around our FOB at night with em.

They ARE very quiet, and have a nice reach to em without the super sonic crack of a 5.56, but like I said.

They have mostly achieved meme status because operators occaisionally use them.

>>31368533
>weighs less than .45acp still

The only thing that makes sense to me really is for people who want to keep it on the AR platform and maybe it's a better round for SBRs compared to the 5.56. But for absolute quiet suppressed weapons, I fail to see the advantage it offers over an smg or pistol caliber carbine.

>>31367335
That's a reloaders cartridge bub. Why mention the budget brands and long range shooting in the same sentence?

>>31368067
>tiny twink spotted

>>31368162
You could have Google search incidents of either of those things and found results.

>>31368583
They probably have a better BC than most pistol rounds so you'd probably be able to get a little bit flatter trajectory out of them, that makes sense. But even regular (supersonic) .300 blk drops like a rock compared to 5.56 around 300-400 yards.

>>31368110
>I will retract my accusation now that I think about it. 20 and 12 gauge are overkill for that size game.

Dude what? You aren't throwing 00buck at everything

>>31368673
Like I said, we and the SEALS only ever used them to shoot wild dogs, because they were quiet and didnt get the locals all stirred up at night.

SEALs have a very wide array of gear and weapons they just keep around in case some situation arises where they need it, but in small allotments. So the companies that took the contract to make it have to generate profits somehow, they use the SOF connection as a marketing tool to collect cash from mall ninjas.

>>31368374
>300 blk is a great caliber for use with suppressors, as it was designed to be. Other than that its not very special.

And having better ballistics out of 8-10" barrels. Same with 6.8spc/spc II

>>31368110
Because smg are bad.


Why buy an 800$ smg when I can buy a $350 upper and use my existing lower, big, and optic

>>31368285
>People legitimately believe its a great self defense round

A 10/22 with a 25 round mag will light up Tyrone and his retarded friends.

>>31368891
True, but there are better cartridges to do it with. Plus you also have to consider the reliability (or lack thereof) of rimfire ammunition.

>>31368891
If tyrone and friends are tripping off a cocktail of PCP, Meth' bathsalts, and codein you will indeed fill them with itty bitty holes that they will bleed to death from a little while after they finish eating your face.

>>31367132
fpbp OP picked some really non-meme calibers for a meme caliber thread

>>31368285
Fuck you, I have to live in New Jersey where there is only one free shooting range within' a 50-100 mile radius. It only lets you shoot .22LR.

Obviously shooting .22lr won't replace training with 5.56 at 500 meters, nor will it do jack shit against any form of armor, but it's cheap and you can get lots of it.

>>31368952
I'm assuming Tyrone and friends are burglarizing my house, not hopped up on drugs.

Besides, aim for the head.

>inb4 shot placement is a meme

>>31368620


The budget Euro guys are the only one's bothering to load full cartridges for it, and most 6.5 bullets I see are just chopped down bullets designed to expand at .260/6.5CM/6.5x55 velocities.

No GMX from Hornady
Nothing from Federal's premium line
Nothing from Speer
Nothing from Nosler

Meanwhile, I can find Federal Fusion 6.8 at the closest Walmart.

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>>31368305
FBI has stopped issuing guns in .40 and is switching back to 9mm, as are some police departments. 10mm is getting substantially cheaper due to more manufacturers picking it up like SIG Sauer, hunting ammo that is around .41 Magnum levels in power is becoming availabe, it's definitely unmemeing itself.

It may not have survived as a police round, but it appears its true calling is for handgun hunting.

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>>31368285
This one makes me sad because I genuinely enjoy shooting .22LR and all these fucking retards make it more expensive and it eats into my funds for other ammo.

>>31367105
Say what you will about 410, but my grandpa never missed a shot with his little break action, he always had a shit load of pheasant for dinner

>>31368162
Uncle Ted carries a ten, faggot.

>>31368972
Just move

>>31368186
>22-250
For long range varmit and small game its pretty damn amazing.

Fudds ruin the round when they think "bullu't shoot far so shoot deader more"

.300 Blackout:
>Supersonic ballistics comparable to 7.62x39 out of a 10 inch barrel.
>Uses milspec bolt, mags
>Can be made from scratch using .308 projectiles and .223 / 5.56 casings
>Subsonic loads with ballistics comparable to .45ACP
>Suppressed subsonic is hearing safe, with sound comparable to MP5SD

Not a meme round, it's here to stay.

>>31371541
I hunt wolves with a 22-250 CZ. Its a pretty solid cartridge.

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>>31368410
>>31368340
>Eargesplitten Loudenboomer
That's silly.

>>31371626
For medium game as well then. To put it simply its one of thse calibers that is solid and fulfills a role perfectly, but like .22 it gets blown out of proportion as the end all cartridge by fudds.

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>>31367153

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>>31367105

When I was a kid, I saw Death Wish 3 on TV and I did some googling afterwards. I thought .475 Wildey must be the greatest cartridge ever and I couldn't understand why it wasn't in widespread use worldwide.

>>31367105
>10mm
>300 blk

kys faggot

>>31371822
Its high velocity, does well at long ranges, and does leave a gaping wound that drives down fur prices.

It by far aint the end all be all though.

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>>31367882
Dank

>>31369628
bitch stop spreading this shit. 10mm auto isnt anywhere near the energy of a 41 magnum. It isnt anywhere near the energy of a 357 magnum.

hottest 10mm loads from 5" pistol- 700ft/lbs ME
Hottest 357 mag loads from 5" revolver- 900ft/lbs ME
Hottest 41 magnum load from 5" revolver- 1,000ft/lbs ME

Maybe you are referencing 10mm magnum, not 10mm auto?


Also, 300blk isnt a meme, people are just jelly that they cant afford it. I reload subs for 7 cents a round and supers for a 25 cents a round.

300blk is superior to 556 in a short 10" barrel. subsonic loads(~650ft/lbs ME) have nearly the same energy as a 556(750ft/lb ME). Supersonic 300blk loads carry 1250 ft/lbs from that same 10" tube. The only meme thing about the caliber is that poors cant afford to shoot it.

Keep your meme 22-250 I will stick to my 220 swift

>>31373913
How you making subsat 7cpr

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>>31367934
wtf did I just read?

>>31373933
Swifts suck and always have.

22-250AI hands it its ass.

>>31367132
Whats kys mean?

>>31374069
kiss yourself, it's a weeb thing people starting meming on here to say thanks for posting this

>>31368996
It's not a meme.
>aim for the head
Thats a meme, literally every course on defensive shooting says to aim for center mass, if your caliber is not effective enough for that then you need a new calober.

But I'm not going to deny you could become a super operator by aiming for headshots with your .22

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>>31371601
>be me
>watch nutnfancy take 40 minutes to say it isnt good for long range and its too expensive
>mfw

>>31368285
For SHTF purposes...

The great thing about 22lr though is that it is deadly, however you want to put it, it's a firearm that will kill. It will deter threats (especially all the hungry no guns), it can reach out to 200 yards accurately and easily with a rifle, and you can carry a brick of 500 in the same volume youd be carrying two 30 round 5.56 magazines. It will kill a deer in a hunting scenario and it will kill small game.

The round by itself isn't loud, you'll attract less attention to you. You can fashion a suppressor easily from home made objects to make it even quieter.

There's also plenty of types of 22lr loadings. From a pistol the round becomes a little more less useful but again, it's cheap and still better than no guns and running out of ammo will not be a big issue (no one should be constantly getting into fire fights).

And for not SHTF purposes.

They're really fun rounds, plinking is always fun. Great way to teach the kids about marksmanship, they're not loud and don't disturb the neighbors, a bunch of cool little 22lr loadings to experiment with, still cheaper than other types of ammo, can easily carry two bricks that will last me the whole day in a small backpack.

People get 22lr because it is just a great all around cheap little round and id eager its probably the most fun and useful type of ammo and no one wants to lose it in a scare.

>>31373942
converted lc brass picked up for free
230gr Bullet cast from free lead and powder coated figure 1 cent per bullet for electric and coating
9.3gr W296 3 cents
S&B SRP 2 cents each

Actually more like 6 cents a around. pretty cheap.

Yes, there is extra work involved. between cleaning up scrap lead, casting, coating, sizing etc to produce bullets, I figure I can produce 300 bullets an hour.

>>31368952

A 22lr to the spine or head will take care of that easily. I understand it's underpowered which is why I have an AR, but fact of the matter is... If all I had was a 10/22 id still feel armed. I wouldn't feel like I was holding a bb gun.

And like the other anon said. Shot placement is key for almost any situation.

>>31368972
5.56 won't do shit against common AR500 plates either.

>>31374143

Not him but...

The reason they train you for that is because if you're taking a course you're most likely a beginner. A beginner who can barely shoot, barely understands the fundamentals of marksmanship, and will most likely mag dump like a mad man.

If you actually train for a living and do competitions that head shot will feel infinitely easier in such a situation. Which of course depends on the individual

Even as a basic 0311 Muhreene, we had to train for head shots as well.

>>31373913
>Implying that I'm using an SBR
>Implying that I won't mind the rock like trajectory of .300 BLK at range.
>Implying that the .300 BLK is little more than a pistol cartridge in the subsonic variety.

>>31374996
I like .22lr, but for defense the rimfire aspect almost disqualifies it. The ratio of malfunctions that I've experienced between my centerfires and rimfires isn't even close.

>>31367105

Is .270 win a meme?

>>31368374

I liked 300 BLK better back when it was called 7.62x39.

>>31369628

US Customs and border patrol is going back to 9 from 40 too.

>>31376547

Meme

>>31368285
But anon it bounces around inside the body turning brain and organs to mush

>>31367105

9mm

>>31368210
This is the 4chan definition of "meme," where it means "thing I do not like," rather than the actual meaning.

>>31376272
I have to agree with that. This in my opinion is it's biggest problem. Not that it's underpowered or anything. But that it's rimfire and thus unreliable.

I won't lie though. I'm aware of it's unreliability from others stories and I don't doubt them. But my 10/22 has had as much hiccups as my AR

>>31376750

in my experience, 22lr doesn't store nearly as well as most other calibers.

>>31376461
My Fudd daddy has a Remington in it. So id say yes

>>31376610

It doesnt need to. One headshot anywhere in the brain region and 99% of the time it's stopping the threat. Same with a spinal shot.

Shot placement becomes more important obviously. But it's always important with pistol calibers to place your shots well regardless.

Yeah some idiots like to talk up the 22 because they can't afford anything else. But just because they over hype their round doesn't mean it isn't a valid self defense round either.

>>31376788

How long is the average shelf life of a rimfire 22 or a centerfire

>>31376859

In ideal conditions? Pretty much indefinite for both.

The catch is that in less than ideal conditions, my experience is that 22lr is more prone to corrosion.

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>>31376887
What would be an ideal condition?

Could canning them work?

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>.410 is a meme cartridge

this is news to me

>>31376946

Ideal conditions would be at a well moderated temperature (high heat and big temp fluctuations lower lifespan) with as little moisture as possible. So, sure can away.

>>31372168
I finger fucked on of those wildy pistols once. It was surprisingly light and kinda front heavy.

>>31376946
In a sealed vacuum there would be minimal corrosion.

In a sealed ammo can with a dessicant and O2 absorber or VCI there would be minimal corrosion.

Realisically, any box stored in a dry place will last longer than necessary.

>>31377013

Depends on what you feel "necessary" is. I pretty regularly shoot ammo from the 50s.

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>>31376461

99% no, with 1% yes.

It's .30-06 case necked down to a 7mm bullet, so it's as much a meme as .280 Rem, 7mm-08, or .284 Winchester. 7mm bullets will preform roughly the same ballistically as 6.5 bullets 10gr lighter out to 1000 yards, while giving you a slight advantage on terminal velocity due to mass and wider cross section.

I give it 1% meme status because I have never found out why Winchester went all snowflake with .277 diameter bullets when everyone else used .284.

>>31377255

> Terminal velocity
> Not terminal ballistics

You get the idea though.

So does 300 BLK basically do 6.8 SPCs job?

For some reason, .45 GAP fascinates me

>>31376461
It's flatter shooting than a .308 or 30-06, but honestly not so much so that it could do anything meaningfully better than them.

>>31377834
From what I hear and see it's not a bad cartridge, but the real question is why? Just to accommodate people with girly or stubby hands?

>>31377742

Not really. 300blk has slightly less case capacity than 5.56. It's strength lies in running suppressed.

6.8 was created to improve on 5.56's terminal performance. That's all it does. It just uses wider, heavier bullets at slightly lower velocities for digging bigger holes in things. I assume that's why the chose the .30 Rem case, for the additional powder capacity at the cost of weight and recoil.

5.56, 16" barrel

55gr @ ~3000fps
75gr @ ~2800fps

6.8, 16" barrel

90gr @ 2800fps
120gr @ 2450fps

.300blk, 16" barrel

120gr @ 2150fps
208gr @ 1020fps

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>>31374870
what do you expect from a retard that said hitting a milk jug at 1000 yards is impossible because he couldn't figure out what his dope was, therefore no one else could. He even got invited out to LRSU's milk jug challenge and turned it down (who could have seen that coming?)

>>31378365
Glock would have been able fit the .45 GAP in a regular Glock 17 frame