Cheap CAS

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>>31366409
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmö_MFI-9

>>31366714
This

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>>31366409

Hind > All

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This

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>>31366409

>>31369531
Details please?

>>31366409
Any rotary wing aircraft actually. They're not limited to doing strafing runs and helis are not that expensive. Cobra is like 10 million or something I think, Super Tucano is also similar as far as I remember.

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>>31366409

I can't see that picture without thinking about Mike Sparks.

>>31369609
Ravens, Vietnam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Forward_Air_Controllers

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>TFW I can fly Cessna 208's and they are being used by Iraqi's as CAS platforms.

Dick is diamonds.

>>31366714
>Malmö_MFI-9
jesus. 75 hp.

might as well be a lawnmower engine.

So are civilian helicopters and airplanes like Pipers and Cessna's at all practical in a wartime situation for insurgents? I feel like they would get shot down super fast if the enemy had anything more than a rifle.

>>31371632
well the kiowa is just a modified bell 206

>>31370370
The thread is about cheap CAS, not overpriced trainers.

>>31369545
>cheap
>almost 30 mil a pop
>cheap

>>31371632
Most of the time,it's the avionic suite that matters the most.

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>>31371632
>For insurgents.
No.

There's one exception though: the Tamil Tigers. Before being finally defeated, the rebel group had an "air force" consisting of 5 light four seater civilian airplanes with dumb-bomb racks.

They pulled the following shit off.
>Katunayake Air Force Base attack
The first LTTE air attack happened in March 2007. Two LTTE Z Lin Z 143 aircraft penetrated the outer defences of the Katunayake Air force base north of Colombo on Monday, March 26, 2007, killing three air force officials and wounding 16–17 others. It was believed the attack was targeted at the IAI Kfirs and newly acquired MiG jets which had been bombing targets in LTTE-controlled territory. The base is located near Bandaranaike International Airport, which had been attacked by the Tigers in July 2001. The LTTE are also the only terrorist group to field aircraft.
>Colombo raids
On April 26, Sri Lanka’s air defenses in Colombo fired into the sky following reports that unidentified aircraft had been spotted on radar. No attack was reported.
However, a few days later on the early morning of April 29, while the nation was watching the Cricket World Cup Final, a Tiger aircraft bombed two fuel storage facilities outside Colombo. Chaos followed and electricity in the capital was shut off for nearly an hour. There were no casualties and minimal damage. The security forces were unable to bring down the aircraft prompting much criticism from the public and opposition political parties.
>Anuradhapura attack
On October 22, 2007, Air Tigers launched a pre-dawn combined arms assault on a SLAF airbase at Anuradhapura, about 212 kilometers (132 mi) north of the capital, Colombo.

The assault started at around 3:20 am,[15] with LTTE ground forces attacking the airbase and overrunning key positions, including an anti-aircraft position, before the Air Tiger's ultra lights dropped bombs on government positions.

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>>31366409

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>>31366409
You won't find cheaper.

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>>31366409
Hard to beat the Cobra/Viper for CAS on a budget.

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>>31366714
From the same guy who bought a DC-2, turned it into a bomber, and used that against the Russians in the winter war before trying to get a job with the RAF.

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A few years ago, South Africans rolled off the AHRLAC, which is an armed ultralight used for border patrol.

>>31366409
How's this?
>Buy an older model crop dusting plane
>Give it a engine with double the horses so it has more speed and lift
>Bullet proof Windows
>encase the underbelly and sides in light weight ceramic armor plates
>Tail gunner with a 240 bravo machine gun with 5000 rounds along with 320 grenade launching pistol with 100 HE shells
>rig the crop dusting mechanism to dispense an Sarin gas aerosol spray
>two wingmounted 500 gallon tanks to hold Sarin gas or other chemical or biological weapons

>>31372907
The CAS of choice for black leather long-coat wearing sixteen year olds.

>>31369609
Watch BAT 21

>>31370215
Met a dude who flew these in Vietnam, after being a toss bomber from an F-100 out of Osan in 1962. The early days of Vietnam, when he was put up in a hotel room in the south not in a barracks at an air base.
He loves these planes and recreationally flew Cessna's and Piper Cubs until he was 70 because they brought back his love for flying even though there were infantry units radioing to him for air support when he was in the Air Force. The guy just likes simple planes. He told me they'd always keep an ARVN in the backseat to point out Charlie for their flares, and when he got transferred to flying C-130's again he was mad.

>>31372923

>Making the most efficient weapon is "edgy"

Why don't we just throw rocks at each other then?

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How about this
>get Helicopter with firefighting bag like in pic
>fill with petrol or napalm and add remote igniter
>fly over general area that you want to become unpleasant
>Fire rains from the sky

>>31372907
I think your average crop duster, despite light armoured plating, would get shot down by even assault rifles, nevermind HMGs

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>>31366409

>>31369531
>>31366714
The coolest job, you can ever have...

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What about L-159?

>>31369278
Wow that plane is badass

>>31372871
Pretty cool guy

>>31372907
dont forget the MTOW senpai

>>31371486
That would be one hell of a lawnmower.

>>31366714
My grandmother knew von Rosen.

does a cessna with an AR out the window count as CAS?

>>31366409
>economical close air support?
Be ISIS.

>>31373213
Impressive loadout

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>>31366409
the cutest

>>31373071
noice

Anyways, for a super duper budget CAS plane dedicated to fucking up African militias and crackhead Islamists, what do you think of tha Antonov An-2 as a base?

It's cheap as fuck, takes off and lands on short distances even loaded, can take some soldiers inside, and IIRC the Vietnamese already mounted some as gunships, with dumb rocket blocks under the wings, and machine guns pointing out of the doors.

It can take 2-3 tons of payload, so one ton could be "spent" in aramid panels to protect the underside of the plane (IIRC Mi-17s are protected like that), the rest would be the rocket pods, and a side mount coupling the HMG of your choice (Ma Deuce, KPV, hell, even a dual mount of MG3s or a M134) and an automatic grenade launcher (Mk.19, AGS-17, your call). You get a plane that can withstand small arms fire, can take some more-or-less heavy weaponry in the form of unguided rockets, iron bombs or napalm tanks, and can act as a baby AC-130 with machine guns and a grenade launcher.There is no AT weaponry, but the HMG and grenade launcher will fuck up technicals, and if your adversary has something bigger than technicals and APCs, don't cheap out on an An-2 and get something like a surplus Su-25 or AH-1 Cobra.

>>31373503
very good idea. you know the norks use their An-2s like that?

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>>31366409
>I'd do it for you Sandy.

/K/AS?

>>31372969
Wouldnt it be better just to have some jet drop napalm? The helicopter would be extreamly vunerable when it just hovering there waiting for the little bit of napalm it can carry do drop on a small AOE compared to what a few napalm bombs dropped from a jet

>>31372969
Wouldnt it be better just to have some jet drop napalm? The helicopter would be extreamly vunerable when it just hovering there waiting for the little bit of napalm it can carry do drop on a small AOE compared to what a few napalm bombs dropped from a jet

>>31373603
>>31373606
Fucking phone posting is so shit

>>31371632

IIRC, Gaddafi was using them near the end as his normal planes had been blown up. Could have an MG gunner hanging out of one or drop some barrel type bombs or grenades.

>>31373517
Thanks! Yeah, now that you talk about it, I remember these guys waving around their AN-2s and tractor-pulled rocket launchers with pride like it's 1947 all over again... It could be weird to say that outside of /k/, but I do want North Korea to get rekt some day... fuck, even the Russians and Chinese are running out of patience about the neighborhood aggressive sperg (and if I'm not mistaken, the Russians even have good relations with South Korea) ; that would mean lots of milsurp, both guns, gear and even vehicles, going to the civilian market, and a fresh load of war porn for us to enjoy.
I just wonder if the Norks could pull some nice actions ; their hardware is old as balls, but they look much more dedicated and willing to fight than any Third World army that got smashed in the last 15 years...

Coming back to the An-2, we can add that it's super rugged, so it would be able to operate from a nigger rigged field somewhere on a relatively flat strip in the middle of Africa, and the biplane configuration means that it has a lot of lift, and would be able to limp back home even after tasting some lead.

And I remember reading from the manual that in case of an engine failure, should the plane be ligtly loaded or not at all, you can safely flutter back to the ground with the 35 mph stalling speed...

>>31372811
Wow. What were the Tamil Tigers so mad about?

>>31373651
Designated shitting streets on their island.

>>31373560
Flight of the Intruder?

>>31371655
it's not that expensive jet-wise

>>31373672

Why is this thing's specs so underwhelming?

>Obtain motor glider
>Land in New York
>???
>Escape

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>>31366409
modified cropdusters are pretty neat

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>>31376021
Dat face, holy kek.

>>31370357

You ever catch that liveleak video of the Iraqi Air Force pilot in a Cessna marking for US drone strikes?

>>31373175

Good luck guiding that shit

>>31372763
High investment, but saves on fuel.

>>31366409
>Can we get a thread going for economical close air support?
that's not a picture of a mortar...

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>>31377997
Why not rocket artillery then?

>>31377997
>>31378125
Not as accurate, lacks the intimidation factor of loitering.

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>>31378138
>Out of fucking nowhere everything around your starts to get BTFO
>Lacks the intimidation factor
If I was to shit my pants it would definitely be under an artillery strike.

>>31378138
>infantry mortars
>not as accurate as gun/rocket runs from a moving, shaking airplane
Son you are high

>>31378183
Speaking of TOS-1, why would the Russians create a separate platform just to deliver short-range rockets when they already have MRLs in a variety of calibers?

>>31378187
>>31378183
Alright, how about range? Or do you have mortars/rockets that can be fired from 300 miles away?

>>31378241
TOS was short range especially in the first iteration so its employment is closer to the tank/assault gun than artillery. Soveit MRLSs wheeled and non armored are not suited for that.

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>>31378241
I believe it's for more persistent and precise frontline support. Or for "fuck that area in particular", knowing that it belongs to RHBZ.

>>31378271
300 miles is more the realm of air support and TBMs

>>31378241
TOS-1 literally stands for "Heavy Flamethrower System". Think of it less as a rocket launcher, and more as a flame thrower that delivers it's fire through rockets.

>>31378271
Well, it's _close_ air support, after all :^) I'm not the guy who first proposed artillery.

What about converting old Mig-21s into drones on the cheap and using them as cruise missiles?

>not attacking enemy airfields, oil refineries with pilotless MiG-21s 9/11 style

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>>31378297
>TOS was short range especially in the first iteration so its employment is closer to the tank/assault gun than artillery. Soveit MRLSs wheeled and non armored are not suited for that.
Ah. Let me see if I have this right:
Wheeled MRL, 122mm = general support weapon for the brigade, usually for direct support(FYI this does not mean direct fire) but can do some deep fires as well
Wheeled MRL, 300mm = corps weapon mainly for deep fires but could do direct support if called on
Wheeled 240mm Uragan probably does the same job as 300mm Smerch?
Armored Tracked MRL, TOS-1 = for direct support only, since it has better armor and a range equivalent to a mortar
Is that how it works?

>>31378401
I think the other guy's explanation of it being an assault gun equivalent made more sense

>>31374357
Not op but yup.

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>>31373560
"Sandy low lead, Sandy low lead, this is Cole Five O five."

Cessna with a shitload of PPSh-41 pointing downwards

Does anyone have that picture of a really small helicopter like parked next to some trees with people? Looks like an older pic?

>>31378495
>converting old Mig-21s into drones

Think big

Try F-117s

>>31377997

What about...an aircraft mounted mortar?

>>31370254
I'm still shocked that the Argies could make something like that domestically, but then again that was back when the Junta ruled.

>>31372846
>on a budget.
>posts Zulu model

What about autogyros as a poor man's attack helicopter?

>>31379237
that movie was just shit. I read the book long before I saw the movie and it was just a hack job. they cut and pasted parts of some chapters, turned an azn girl into a blonde blue eyed american, and then killed Tiger at the end. and don't even get me started on the crash landings of the A6s.

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>>31366409
>92 posts in
>No UH-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGE23Uykd1Y

>>31381415
Yes I know the book is better than the movie. Willem Dafoe made it half way enjoyable though.

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>>31366409
The AU-23 Peacemaker

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_AU-23_Peacemaker#

Basically a mini AC-130

>>31376927
Nope. If you want to be cheap you could get an uparmed PC-7

>>31376869
i mean MTOW as in Maximum Take Off Weight

>>31369286
Pretty much there was a listing on ebay for 6 hinds only 4mil USD

>>31373651
The Tamils are Hindu minority and live in the northern parts of Sri Lanka. Majority of Sri Lanka are Buddhists. The Tamils want seccession and nearly succeeded. But the Buddhists prevailed and massacred them. You can google pics of Sri Lankan soldiers with captured alive teenage son of LTTE leader and then later a pic of him dead by gunshot. Not taking any sides since the LTTE were brutal too but it was a very bloody conflict.

>>31366409
CAS of the WWII/Korean war mould (slow loitering low flying) is obsolete with the advent of MANPADS. Even Mexican cartels can shoot down helos and having even one pilot captured will be a PR disaster. Multirole fighters carry more bombs than many WWII bombers and can deliver them with pinpoint accuracy. There are still niche applications of prop planes but not for CAS.

This is what I'm thinking, we use a crop duster and fill the chemical tanks with napalm. As you're flying away get someone to lean out the window and shoot a flame arrow at the napalm

>>31378241
Thermobaric warheads to turn everything into kindling. Incendiary rounds to set kindling on fire.