9mm vs .45

>>31365389
I have both

I carry 9mm

Only because my company of choice doesn't make a .45

>>31365389
I have both, carry 9mm for capacity. Last thing I wanna do is run out of ammo.

>>31365389
.45 Because at the end of the day it just punches bigger holes.

>>31365389
Inb4 10mm faggots

>>31365389
9mm. It's cheaper, there is less recoil which makes it easier to get off multiple shots, the magazines have higher capacity, and with hollow points it is plenty lethal.

>>31365406
>Only because my company of choice doesn't make a .45
?

>>31365389
Got my 1911 on GB now. After 10 years, done with .45 ACP. I want guns that run like a Toyota Corolla now. 9mm all the way.

BIG FAT SLOW ROUND

> MOOOooom, I posted it again *tehehe*

>>31365389
I have both, I prefer 9mm, but carry my 45 in my truck all the time now. I guess it depends on how I feel that day. If I was going to do some real up close and personal killing, the 45ACP would be in my hand.

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9mm hands down for capacity, provided you have modern self-defense ammunition.

.45 is fine too, but less capacity. In defensive shooting statistics, capacity means more than individual round performance, although the FBI Miami shootout tends to point for the "Why no both?" mindset of 10mm.


Either way, I carry a 12 round 9x18 makarov, and .25 acp.

>>31365473
why would you ever use .45acp over 10mm?

>>31365701
Steyr

>>31365389
9mm is superior in every way that counts, this isn't up for debate.

I prefer 9mm because it's what I own
I'll get a .45 in due time

>>31365968
>still a larger diameter bullet
>less snappy and easier to control recoil
>easier to find and cheaper
>a lot of mainstream commercial loads for 10mm are around 40sw territory
>45 still has loads suitable for a hunting sidearm (non-grizzly country)

As much a /k/ will disagree, 10mm is a meme. It fills almost no important role, it's too snappy and big to be a viable combat/defensive round and it honestly may be too underpowered for grizzly/dangerous game defense.

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I don't buy the explosive jew.

38special/.357 mag master race

>>31366248
just shot my 1st 10mm today.
it didn't kick or snap any better or worse than the .45 1911

10mm is a more powerful round, you can't argue around that.

>>31366248
I like 10mm, but I do find it questionable as a hunting round.

.45 colt reporting in

>>31365389

.45 for pistols
9mm for sub guns and carbines

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9mm, although im in the market for a makarov/Mauser HSC, etc etc

>>31366313
The SAAMI pressure rating of 10mm is almost 2x greater than that of 45ACP. Recoil is subjective, but I'd imagine most people shooting equal weight 1911s in each caliber one after the other would notice a difference. Maybe you shot glorified 40sw loads, the "real" 10mm usually has to be bought from places like buffalo bore or reloaded. By all means enjoy the 10mm, but I have no use for one.

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>>31365389
The recoil of 9 is light which makes it an efficient round. But with every .45 I've shot, the recoil was so smooth, I practically creamed myself every time I shot it. It's a very fun cartridge.

I'm not a skilled shot by any means, so someone could probably treat .45 better than I can, but my ratings are:
>Follow up shots/Efficiency
9mm > .45acp
>Fun
.45 > 9

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9mm is more readily available than 10mm in my country
9mm guns = higher capacity and better accuracy past the 1st shot (follow-up shots)

9mm because cheap ammo and fun at range.

>>31367179
if you want fast follow up shots dont go with a light polymer frame glocknade.

>>31367235
memes

>>31366288
upvoted

>>31365389

I prefer .45 because all I do with it is go to the range and put holes in paper/marks on steel. And I like the fact that .45 goes bang boom harder and louder, because it is fun.

To defend myself, honestly, I'd still use .45 - Because I am familiar with it, and since I live in California, the bonus capacity of 9mm is pretty much a moot point, anyway. Granted, less recoil means easier followup shots, and less flash means I might be able to see after the first shot if I had to use it at night, but I'd honestly rather continue to use what I more frequently use, if I had to defend myself.

>>31365389
.45 is for spics and niggers

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>>31367754
>said no one ever

>>31367754
If anything, that would be .38.

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>>31365389
>not using .410 and .45

muh stobbin powah

>>31365389
Honestly, 9mm
Because its cheaper, more common, snd practical

>>31365389
9mm for higher cap
.45 for bigger bullet
They both work fine though, stop this meme shit

>>31365389
9mm for practical applications aka my duty weapon and concealed carry/backup

.45 for good ol' fun and making me feel like a man but besides that no real practical application (fuck off Taylor Factor fags)

And last but not least 10mm because fuck you and the 3 people and 5 sheets of drywall behind you

>>31365389

.45acp because of the Wadcutters

blow a giant ass hole through both the front and back of somebody, exit wound enormous

There isnt much you can do with 9s, though their hollowpoints are just as effective as a 45 hp.

You get more shots, but ultimately a 9 is just as deadly as a .22wmr or .32acp or the list goes on. All a 9 does better is goes through walls easier.

9 is better than 380 though.

> local news article, dude gets shot in the leg when he was running away with what seems like a .22 probably a .22wmr from a revolver, bullet entered calf and exited thigh above the knee, bullet shattered to pieces. Nearly bleeds to death before somebody finds him, blood pouring out all over the floorboard. Dude has to get 17 operations done to fix it.

9mm: Your dick
.45mm: chad's dick

the choice is obvious.

>>31368732
>.45 colt
Ron Jeremy's dick

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Both.

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>>31368732
9mm fills your dreams
.45 acp makes her cream.

>>31365389
Reminder that no pistol round is powerful enough to cause any form of wounding due to temporary cavitation, making the choice based on +P, 10mm, .357 sig, irrelevent

Reminder that no round killed someone any better or just barely nicked a vital due to bullet diameter

Reminder that the bullet you choose for pistols makes no difference so long as it meets IWBA standards, which means capacity is better.

.9 for typical EDC at hip.
.380 for deep concealment in anus at office.
.45 for fucking around in back property and woods.
.45-70 for deep innawoods. Keep it close at all times.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=382BkpHcvNo

>>31368785
What about .500 S&W?

>>31365389

9. easier to manage, more bullets.

.45, because I'm probably compensating for something.

>>31365389
9mm, all I can afford

>>31366331
Buffalo Bore/ Underwood loads reach around 700 FPE, which is 357 magnum territory. It's adequate for deer under 100 yards, although I'm sure a more skilled shot can stretch it further.
I still love it too, it does alright in bridging the gap between pistol and magnum rounds

>>31367711
I like your honesty. I live in a different state, but thats the best justification I've heard. It's dakka enough for me.

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>>31368785
i beg to differ.

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>>31371546
i wouldnt hunt anything bigger than a Boar with 10mm, but its still the best damn defensive round under .44 magnum against big shit like bears and moose. against two-legged adversaries the high penetration is less desirable, but there are other options that take advantage of the round's high pressure loading.

9mm, cheaper, more magazine capacity, flatter trajectory, can be used in small light pistols for concealment and larger duty pistols with 17+ round capacity in slimmer package than .45

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>>31367924

410 is dogshit tier in a handgun.

>>31365389
I own far more 9mms than .45s

But I carry .45.

Why? I prefer it. I shoot better with a 1911, and 1911s in .45 ACP have the least amount of problems.

Also I like the fact that .45 ACP is a little bit bigger if I'm ever forced to use FMJ.

>>31365473
all 2 of them

>>31372103
Which in a SHTF scenario it will.

>>31369150
Touche, usually I include "with some exceptions that are impractical to use defensively"

But I'm lazy today. But yes, 500 Smit and wessy is powerful enough to cause wounding from cavitation.

>>31366248
>less snappy and easier to control recoil
femalefbiagent detected

>>31365389
It doesn't bother me which I have on me because if I am ever forced to use my ccw (God forbid) I will unload my mag on the fucker anyways.

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>>31365389
As hickock 45 said, If I were in the military and governed by regulations that don't allow me to carry anything other than FMJ, I would choose .45 no problem.

As a civilian, though, I can buy all the 9mm holla-points I want. I would choose a 9mm any day.

>>31365389
9mm for practical
.45 for fun
>>31367179
>gun weight doesn't affect recoil

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"During the assault, six German soldiers in a trench near York charged him with fixed bayonets. York had fired all the rounds in his M1917 Enfield rifle,[23] but drew his M1911 automatic pistol[24] and shot all six soldiers before they could reach him.[25]"

Can a 9mm do this? Unlikely.

>>31372973

Because a man who can shoot like that totally wouldn't have wrecked their shit with a steyr or luger or broomhandle. Nope. Impossible.

You are fucking retarded.

>>31366199

lol youre such a fag. get off /k/

>>31373001
If this was possible with those guns, then why are there no accounts of this? Surely there were many who were just as skilled with firearms, just going by how many people were involved in such a huge conflict or in any wars after.

More likely anyone put into that situation with a 9mm was skewered like a kabob before the first guy fell.

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.45 stronk.

>>31365389
.357 Magnum

Wound capability between 9mm and .45 ACP are negligible, making 9mm the obvious choice for "non-big-rounds."

>>31372585
You don't carry a S&W 500 around in chest holster? What do you do when you encounter a charging moose?

>>31373837
.40 works fine.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h1XlsskYmY

>>31373847
That's a calf. It also walks it off. If the guy didn't have a snowmobile he probably would have been in trouble

>>31373874
>It also walks it off
No it didnt, first shot missed. You're still shooting an animal in the head with rounds capable of going through a ribcage. Goalposts are moving so soon.

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I prefer 9mm because I'm a cheap bastard

>>31373910
Lets see, shooting animals in the head whos head is designed to take hits and is extremely thick. If you didnt see in that video he didnt hit it in the head.
You would be very lucky to get a .40 through a mooses skull.
Still, it was a calf and was moving after they fled. Moose kill many people, and when they kill you they keep attacking you way after your dead. I would not trust my life to a .40 glock

>>31373972
Citation needed for all.

45 because it's what I like to shoot.

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>>31365389
9mm is for faggots and 45 is for fatasses. 40 S&W is the only correct answer

>>31373972
Moose regularly during rut smash heads together with other moose and trees.
Moose have thick skulls to compensate for this, take a look at a moose skull. The moose brain is completely in the back. you would have to go through inches of bone to get at it

This is what happens when you get attacked by moose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN0eb1HwRIM
Except they don't care when you die, they just keep stomping

If you want more do your own research

>>31374037
>I like to shoot the pussy version of a 10mm cuz im a limp wristed bitch

>>31374051
>nothing about .40 not being able to go through skull
Annnd it's nothing.

>>31365389
I wanted to buy a Hi Point rifle and pistol in .45, but .45 is so expensive, and they'll be my only guns for a while besides my .22s and my bolt action shotgun.

I like 9mm too, but I really kind of like .45. But it's almost the price of .223 wherever I find it

I guess there's reloading for that, but I don't even know where to start with that. I've helped my dad reload 12 gauge for trap shooting, but with brass it seems like it'd be a different story

anyone wanna help out a dude?

>>31366199
that statement is so reddit, just shut up and learn for a few months before posting ffs

>>31374086
Aaaand you are a retard. Go into moose territory with your .40

>>31374292
>has nothing to back up claim
>hur dur well u-u go into moose land with ur f-f-forty!
kys

>>31374304
Where is your evidence of .40 going through moose skulls? Its like you want to be spoon fed everything anon.

>>31374314
Did you...not see the vid?

>>31374326
You mean the video where he gets 5 shots the the calfs torso?

>>31374342
>torso shots
>moose folds and begins immediately twitching due to sudden catastrophic nervous system trauma
>The man’s first shot was a warning shot fired over the moose. Shots 2,3, & 4 were well placed head shots. when the moose fell it was dead, plain and simple.
It's like you want to stay retarded

>>31365389
I chose 45 because it makes me feel better about my dick. Also, I can pretend like 9mm isn't that good because it uses the metric system, which I don't understand.

>>31374356
Are you retarded?
Its not twitching at the end its still alive and moving its taken massive trauma to the chest. None of the shots hit the head, he was going for the torso right below the head because its actually likely to STOP a fucking moose. Its like you have never been hunting against anything that can actually kill you.

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>>31365389
9mm. Because that's what my issue 19 eats. I carry a .38 in civvies.

>>31374385
>Its not twitching at the end its still alive and moving
>still alive
>violently twitching
Poor fellah, you've never actually been hunting before have you?

>>31374392
He thinks it was a bunch of torso shots that the moose survived.

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>>31374391
Just for fun I highlighted the area where a moose brain is in this image. This is why its not smart to shoot a moose in the head unless you have a high powered rifle or something like .460 or .500 S&W

>>31374391
I am sorry guy but you are wrong.
>>31374408
I have no doubt the moose eventually bleed out.

>>31374410
Citation needed.

>Needing to hit the brain to cause brain trauma
>Needing to hit the brain to cause spinal trauma
>Being this retarded
lol tho. Really, cite your sources that tell you only a rifle can kill a moose in the head despite a .40 clearly doing it. You're like, Hillary levels of delusional at this point.

>>31374433
>I am sorry guy but you are wrong.
Source?

The twitching at the end sure looks like its dead.

>>31365389
9mm. I wish I could afford to carry .45 in fuckhuge amounts

>>31374436
>Needing to hit the brain to cause brain trauma
>Needing to hit the brain to cause spinal trauma
>only a rifle can kill a moose in the head
Never said any of this stuff but nice try anon.
I said you would be lucky to get a .40 through a moose skull.
Unfortunately since the only ballistic data they they test is in gel since the human body does not have super thick bones other than like the femur, which can by the way deflect 45 you wont get a source. Just numerous anecdotal evidence gathered from first hand accounts.
Oh, and i still disagree about the shot placement on that calf.

>>31374494
So now you backpedaled and said lucky, okay, well since you have no source and admitted you have none to back up your claim that .40 can't get through it, you can go now.

>Oh, and i still disagree about the shot placement on that calf.
Well alright, fair enough, if you don't know what that twitching is you don't you know what it is.

>>31374509
I never backpedaled. My original post said you would be lucky to get a .40 through a moose skull

Citation needed that .40 can go through a moose skull though

>>31374530
>Citation needed that .40 can go through a moose skull though
Not how burden of proof works, thanks for playing lol.

Not to mention we just saw it in the video.

>>31374542
You are making the claim that .40 can go through a moose skull.

The video is anecdotal, does not provide sufficient evidence ie no autopsy. You cannot see where the shots went except for the last body shot.

>>31374567
>I lost my argument
>Y-Y-Y-OUR ARGUMENT IS GARBAGE TOO
My argument was you had no evidence to back up your claim, and that in the vid it happened.

Both of these were true, I don't understand what else you want, stop being buttmad, just think before you post in the future. This will be a good lesson for you as you get older and journey through the internets.

>>31374581
Guy, only having anecdotal evidence when you have none to disprove is not losing an argument. Since there is no proven evidence either way there is no winner.
>>31374410
After the first shot the mooses head was up and it would be more likely in my opinion one of the torso shots hit the spine, it wouldn't be hard if you look at the anatomy of the moose.
Also, you think this is buttmad? You are funny

The big issue which we disagree on is that you think that the moose was shot in the head in the video, which I disagree. Because of this there won't be a resolution to this argument. Its not like the guy went and checked because they were running in case mom was around.

>>31374623
>Guy, only having anecdotal evidence when you have none to disprove is not losing an argument. Since there is no proven evidence either way there is no winner.
Well I saw a 40 go into a moose skull so...not like the video was just my experience.

>>31374666
I would have no issue saying a .40 could go into a moose skull. I would be highly skeptical it would penetrate.

>>31374687
Okay, I win lol.

>>31374692
? My argument still stands.
Without data neither of us is right
But you can say that you are right if you want I don't really care anymore.

>>31374725
Okay, I'm right because I disproved your argument, simple. This is basic debate, take a ticket and have a drink lol.

General carry is 9mm.
When inna woods i either carry a revolver in .357 or 10mm glock.

>>31374738
My argument from the beginning was that a .40 would be lucky to penetrate.
You can have a bullet get lodged in a skull. Or were you trying to say you have personally seen a .40 go into a moose brain?

>>31374755
Doesn't matter if I've seen it personally, I saw it in the video that you saw.

If you want to pretend the moose just locked immediately and fell over twitching like a brain dead animal (keyphrase brain dead) due to torso trauma, you have at it.

>>31365389
.45 because a 9mm may expand but a .45 sure wont shrink.

I own both though and I shoot better with .45 either

>>31366199
>this isn't up for debate

Sometimes I just want to knockout people who use stupid knockout arguments

9mm - i want my bullets to be actually capable of going thru a concealment item.

>>31373001
9mmfags in full damage control

I carry a 9mm as my EDC right now, and .380 for backup.

The only other handgun I carry out, which isn't often, is a g23 with 1 magazine. People talk shit about .40 all day, I personally like it.

>>31369150
Thats a rifle round somebody built a revolver on top of. Its like a Beowulf with a rim.

>>31368785
I would differ that a .44 magnum will cause cavitation damage and it can be a practical carry weapon under the right circumstances.

>>31374208
Bolt
Action
Shotgun

WTF is wrong with you. Your 22 should be bolt action, your shotgun should be breech or pump, get it right.

>>31374314
.40 has about as much penetration and deflection as a 9mm it just causes a little more damage.

Damage does not equal Penetration.

Shotgun does a ton of damage but only penetrates about as good as a 9mm. Thats why a tactical vest will keep it from piercing through.

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>>31374687
>>31374692

Bone has about the same tensile strength as Aluminum. About 20,000 psi.

It may be more brittle but thick bone supports itself. If we're talking about a human skull then yeah even something as low as a jacked up Pellet Gun can chip a small hole and flake off the surrounding bone to get through.

But a Moose skull, we're basically talking about a Chunk of Aluminum here and I swear to fucking god your .40 is going to bounce off. It may "scar" or gouge the skull but it will glide off.

And it will piss off the moose because its like it just got slashed hard by a sword across all that flesh that the bullet ended up getting channeled through on the outside of the skull.

You will need to be able to penetrate an Engine Block to get through that skull, unless you find a hole thats already in it naturally. And I suppose that would include being under the moose with your pistol pointed upwards. But even then you may still have some thick skull to shoot through even from Under this massively oversized deer.

And I think in any case the Spine would be better to go for rather than the skull. I do think a .40 would be able to bash and slip its way through the vertebrae and sever the spinal cord. But I expect even the spine is thick bone too, still might get deflected.

We are talking about a Wadcutter right?

Hollowpoints are designed to not-penetrate thats the whole point of them.

>>31374392
what an asshole.

.45 cuz.45s are bigger & easier to handle than manlet sized 9mm

also one shot to the ground stopping power

.45 is shit
9mm is shit

.50 African Eliminator or nothing.

>>31365389
Where does .40 S&W fall in this debate?

>>31365389
Low quality video but the doctor brings a strong perspective into this and averted me from .45 personally
https://youtu.be/tku8YI68-JA

>>31378107

worst of both worlds.

>>31378204
This is what I've been saying. .45 and 9mm have no real difference between each other as far as the kind of wound that it causes to an attacker.

If you need the penetration or bigger wounds, .357 Magnum is your friend. If you want BIG FUCKING GUN, .44 Magnum exists for your snowflake purposes. Otherwise, get 9mm or wait for real comparisons with 10mm.

>>31365389
I prefer .45.

Ive shot both and i think .45 is just as easy to shoot as 9mm. So why wouldn't i carry a gun with more stopping power.

>>31374051
Whaddabout this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h1XlsskYmY

>>31365389
9mm for carry and home defense

.45 for steel plate and bowling pin matches

>>31365389
Why anyone would choose 45 over 10mm is beyond me.
For EDC, 9mm is a superior choice. If you need more power for some reason, 10mm makes more sense for that boost than .45

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>>31365389
I prefer nine for my side arm and plan on buying a carbine in 45 to dump some major energy on any intruders.

I prefer 9 because killing others is wrong and i have glass wrists.

>>31365389
Pistol calibers suck in general fot defeating armor due to laws preventing civilians from buying the good stuff. And anything past 50 meters you should use a long arm...so I prefer bigger bullets to cause more flesh damage.

So .45 hollow points for me.

>>31367754
It does drop spics and niggers dead.

>>31365389
9mm because real world performance is debatable, real world cost is not.

>>31374037
40 S&W is for hipsters and people who bought the whole ".40 is great because the FBI liked it so it must be good" bullshit

>>31367754

gangbangers romanticize the 9mm much more than any other calibre

>>31368779
NCstar cheap shit.

Have both, prefer .45. I carry either my P01 or the USP45 compact, prefer the USP45c.

>>31368732
.45mm? That's super small. You mean .45 cap- right, noun eurofag?

>>31381629
Acp* nogun*

>>31381629
45mm Glock and Wesson 1789 model.

>>31372013

It's a great snake gun tho.

>>31367924
nice dogshit gun

>>31372973
yes

>>31365389
I cc a makarov.

>>31366288
Holy fuck they need to teach police dog to go for the nuts like that.

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>>31365532
>9mm
>cheaper
Not always mate. Maybe in practice ammo. But right now 9mm owners are getting raped in cost because it is popular and high demand.