More groups say Duterte must end US-PH military agreements

>>31349330
So how long until a convenient US backed rebellion begins?

>>31349335
Shut it DOWN

>>31349330
>US pulls out of the Philippines.
>Yay!
>US ends all support of Philippino Army.
>Jihadists get Gucci tier shit from Indonesia, or Saudi Arabia.
>Phips get shit from China.
>Phip army gets rekt.
>pPlease comeback US!

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>All this americuck dummy spitting because based duerte told president nigger to fuck off

>>31349451
kek this

americums are salty as fuck just because barrako hussein got BTFO

Cool, we can charge them retroactively for all the military aid they've gotten.

>>31349451
>>31349457

>implying americans care about island monkeys

>>31349330
I'm okay with this.

>She said the pullout of the US troops in Mindanao is not just because of the possibility that they can be targets of attacks, but because the foreign troops were involved in atrocities against the Moro people.

>“They are not just attacking Moro communities and raping the women, they also trample on our national sovereignty that is why we have been calling for the pullout of US troops long before President Duterte’s pronouncements,” she said.

>Thousands of US troops regularly dock at various ports of the country for “rest and recreation” subjecting Filipino women to rape and abuse, the CPP said.

>It said President Duterte must also demand an investigation on the US troops operations carried out in Sulu, the rest of Mindanao as well as in other parts of the country.

Marines.

Never change.

>>31349590
>>31349330
>CPP-NPA
>implying their opinions matter among flips

I wasn't surprised that that Pemberton guy killed that trap. Of course if you we're stuck in a ship for how long only having boipussy, then you go ashore, bam! another dangly dick.

America is over.

>>31349330
>tfw part-Flip American
>tfw all this shit is happening
While on one hand I think Duterte is somewhat based for trying to tackle the drug problem head on, this worsening of relations is starting to worry me. I'd rather not see PH turned into a Chink proxy in my lifetime.

>>31350022
Tackling the drug problem head on by turning a blind eye to extrajudicial killings?

>>31350117
Hate to say it, but Flipland was going to need a hardass president sooner or later to at least try and unfuck the rampant crime and corruption in the country. Dutdut ran on the law and order ticket and indicated that he gave no fucks, this resonated with a lot of flips. Hence the current situation. I'm rather happy with his attitude of not giving a fuck about what others think of him, but I'm still holding my breath regarding how he will change the Philippines.

I'm a Flip and those groups are communist/leftist groups.

Our own military will remove our communist despot if he steps over the line.

>>31349590
>rape and abuse

Is that what they call pumping millions of dollars into the local economy?

Wow Philipinnes, can you fuck yourselves up any harder or faster?

>>31350177
If only the US soldiers paid for the sex.

But Marines usually dont pay.

>>31350136
>was going to need a hardass president
We already had one twenty years ago and it turned my country into a third world shithole and that is why you are living in America.

You replaced petty crime with democide, good job.

The US is weak horse right now.

But Duerte should look into Russia instead, chink arms suck.

>>31349330

It's all nationalist grandstanding.

It'll all stop when China lays claim to another one of Philippines fishing territories.

>>31350200
China already claims everything. Question is when China will actually ASSERT themselves over a previously unoccupied atoll.

Actually, China has a good negotiations basis. Money speaks much more than shitty atolls. And whatever the US invested in PH, China will do ten-fold.

>>31350136
It's very easy to visualize regional powers using vigilante groups for their own benefit, void of any oversight from the state.

While corruption is a convoluted issue, Duterte seems to be running the country like his time as governor.

>>31350188
>why you are living in America
Grandparents moved about 14-16 years before Marcos came into power. Unless you're referring to Ramos/Estrada.
>replaced petty crime with democide
I figured some change in the system was better than none, though as I said I'm still waiting to see how this is going to turn out.

>>31350229
Change does not always mean better, this country keeps changing every 6 years that it only needed stability for once.

This regime's issue towards the United States has become personal while China takes our sand to build their manmade islands while at the same time this regime is hellbent on kissing their ass even though we don't need to.

>>31350243
The regime issue with USA is gonna downsized when Trump wins.

But that doesn't matter, the pinoys should follow an independent route, and not being dogs to either US or China.

>>31350243
I'm aware, hence my worry up here
>>31350022
That the Chinks will start putting pressure on PH. I'll admit to being a bit over-optimistic on Duterte, but now that he's in the Presidency how is this situation going to play out?

>>31350267
Nothing, the US is in bed with China.

Until the US gets its job back, it will never attack China.

>>31350260
>not being dogs to either US or China.

Not possible. China and the US have their own regional interests and both will try their hardest to win hearts.

>>31350260
Being independent is why we started losing islands in the first place.

It's one thing to kick out US bases on our soil and another to kick out US bases on our soil while our military has been dogshit and under arms embargo for decades.

>quoting groups with no political power

Sorry .50 cent, nothing will change.

>>31350136
>unfuck the rampant crime
by committing more crime with government authority, many of whom could be just completely innocent people. He's going to run that country into the ground

>>31350296
Duerte is reinforcing the military, especially with the new China arm deal.
>Being independent is why we started losing islands in the first place.
That's what you get for being weak, this is the great game of the US, they claim to protect you as long as your army and shit are weak.

>>31350314
>is reinforcing the military
>new China arm deal.
>let me tell you about your own country
Piss off wumao.

>>31350300
>with no political power
Those groups are affliated to the President since he himself is involved with those groups.

He's a socialist with misplaced nationalist tendencies.

>>31350303
Yeah, let's see how he does it.

Because future shows Phillipines is going to be improved.

>by committing more crime with government authority, many of whom could be just completely innocent people.
With attitude like these, no wonder the US lost the war on drug.

>>31350333
>misplaced nationalist tendencies
In what way?
>>31350323
Are you in Pinoyland right now?

>>31350341
>not fighting drug with drug

Why did we never try this?

>>31350369
Because it means more drugs and you are going to have Canada tier weedlmao population.

Drugs are cancer. The communists let their agents spread drugs everywhere but the USSR.

>>31350341
no, the reason we lost the war on drugs is because we took a violence of action approach to it. meanwhile nations that have decriminalized their drug laws have seen massive.
>>31350386
drugs have been an issue in every country throughout history

>>31350432
massive reductions in both usage and trafficking....Spain and Portugal come to mind

>>31350136

The problem with a hardass president is he's tackling the wrong problems. Drug enterprise is a byproduct of poverty. Duerte is going around killing drug peddlers like that's going to solve the problem of why people turn to selling drugs.

That and the extrajudicial killing of the pushers is just a cover to get rid of people in his way... Like his sister's boyfriend, or billionaire businessmen.

>>31350456
It's not a problem with poverty, even rich ass countries like UK and USA have drug problems, people just want to ignore it. And this is where we get right now, a fucked up generation who smokes weed and champion right to smoke weed.
>That and the extrajudicial killing of the pushers is just a cover to get rid of people in his way... Like his sister's boyfriend, or billionaire businessmen.
Probably planning to betray him.

>>31350432
>>31350445
Those countries just become druggies.

I mean Spain and Portugal are not even good countries to live in right now.

>>31349351
?
If anything its the US supporting the muslims in the PH because thats what they do all over the world
All sane sovereign countries need to remove US influence asap

>>31350469

The US has a drug problem but the criminal enterprise elements operate from the ghettos.

>>31349330
>angry president tries to finally get communists and muslims in the south to quit fighting the government so he says random bullshit

no real surprise

i expect nothing to come from this in the end

>>31350481
What are you talking about, drug use DECREASED in both of nations once they were decriminalized.
what are you talking about x2: they're both fine to live in right now, the cost of hosing is slightly higher, but that because of over building of low cost homes that caused their housing bubble to pop

>>31350483
Lol, it's time to stop posting. You are just smacking the keyboard with random words

>>31350547
Spain and Portugal are so shit even the refugees don't want to live in them.

They are relatively poor states.

>>31350595
Then what was the US doing with those bombs in the phillipines back in 2002?

>>31350619
That has nothing to do with the decriminalization of drugs you stupid nigger.

>>31350619
If you're you going by first world NATO standards, sure. But overall they're nice places to live. As for the refugees, they're not not staying in Spain or Portugal because they're shit, they're leaving because they can get more welfare if they travel to the Scadanavian countries and the UK, as both Spain and Portugal have dealt with refugees nearly constantly for 40 years, so the whole appeal to emotions doesn't work on them anymore because authorities in those countries know how to separate refugees and economics migrants.
But i digress, the Philippines is going down a terrible road filled with vigilante justice enabled by a complete idiot. Eventually nobody will want to do business with them and it'll all be their fault. Then, surprise, surprise they'll blame the US.

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>>31349451
seriously flipland you literally have nothing for the world at large. If you're gonna go to shit just go to total shit already so i can have some hunting grounds

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>>31350483
lmfao what are you talking about

>>31350673
It has to do with them poor countries, the money are not been there.
>>31350685
Spain basically begged for refugees to come in but they don't, because these countries have nothing for the refugees.

>But i digress, the Philippines is going down a terrible road filled with vigilante justice enabled by a complete idiot. Eventually nobody will want to do business with them and it'll all be their fault. Then, surprise, surprise they'll blame the US.
Or they truly independent and don't need to rely on the US anymore.

>>31350647
What are you talking about? You're delusional.

>>31350483
Why would we do that?

>>31350905
Hunting ground?

For what?

>>31351000
It's not you who are in control of your country.

It's the US government/Obama administration.

>>31350993
They're not poor by any stretch of the imagination. No, Spain doesn't beg (for has begged) for refugees seeing as how they (and France and Italy) have had to deal with situations (illegal immigration) like we are seeing in Europe for well over 30 years.
Not Philippines will be much worse off. They're literally going to form alliances with a government whose official position is that many of the islands in the SCS (that are Filipino by right) should be taken using military force. The only reason China stays in their corner is because if they tried anything, they'd be curb stomped. It's like when russian say they'd be no invasion of the Baltic countries even though the government in power wants it more than anything, and that imperialist, Americans are oppressing the nations of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.
Answer me this: What happens if you ally yourself with China and they ask (read:demand) some of your islands? Who will keep you from being a glorified province of China then after you've driven away all other potential allied nations.

>>31351062
http://fortune.com/2015/09/08/europe-refugee-crisis-spain/
Spain opened their doors for refugeees, but surprise, nobody comes.
>They're not poor by any stretch of the imagination.
Certainly by the EU standard, they are poor.
>Not Philippines will be much worse off. They're literally going to form alliances with a government whose official position is that many of the islands in the SCS (that are Filipino by right) should be taken using military force. The only reason China stays in their corner is because if they tried anything, they'd be curb stomped.
So because they reject the US, they will face the consequences, never mind that the US trades with China?
>Answer me this: What happens if you ally yourself with China and they ask (read:demand) some of your islands? Who will keep you from being a glorified province of China then after you've driven away all other potential allied nations.
Fight against them, just like the vietnamese did in the border war in the 80s.

The US will not risk war against China to help Pinoyland, only pinoys can help pinoys, and for that, they need arms, whether coming from China or Russia or the US.

>>31351062
>Dat projection

China is interested in maintaining their Sea lines of communication in the SCS, as they are heavily dependent on trade. And they have realized that this can be best accomplished by both fortifying their existing holdings and also reach out to the Philippines to maintain peace. China isnt going to take any more islands than they already have, but also won't compromise on their claims. I expect this detente with PH to result in more status quo and a relaxation on the fishing dispute with China. Which is a plus, as the ordinary PH fisherman cares less about the rocks than about his business.

>>31351021
Yes, very good. You now have an understanding of how the US government works. We are not a direct democracy, we're a constitutional republic. We elect people to make choices for us, after seeing a swath of candidates and we choose will best represent our interests.

>>31351120
Currently, you are having King Nigger as your leader, mind I remind you?

The chinks are bad, but the US is no friend, at least until Trump to become prez.

>>31351103
Yes, the opened their borders because they were required to because they're apart of the EU, but they don't put out the red carpet and pay the welfare that other nation-states that comprise the EU pay. The same case could be made for Croatia, Hungary, Italy, Greece ect... refugees are not heading their because they won't get as much money.
>Certainly by the EU standard
If you're "poor" by EU standard you're still top-tier top being an idiot. nations would kill (and have) to have a fraction of the GDP of an lower performing EU member.
>So because they reject the US
They can choose to reject the US, it's no real skin off our backs (except votes in certain districts), but making a deal with a nation that has a vested interest in seizing land is a bad idea. Not to mention badmouthing other nations to the point that no one wants do deal with your BS.
>Fight against them
Like you did against the Japanese? Much easier said then done, especially if your president becomes a puppet for the Chinese.

>>31351113
All nations have an interest in maintain their sea lines, but trying to force your way into terriroty of other nations predicated on bullshit ancient claims to littoral waters is retarded. No one recognizes their claims anywhere but their own territorial waters and EEZ. China would love to take more islands if they could, so much so that the Filipinos have resorted to sinking ships on reefs and manning them with soldiers to ward off Chinese incursions.

>>31351138
what about him? We elected him twice, stop making it seem like the process of elections is a bad thing. Just because you don't like him (which is fine, I'm not a huge fan either) doesn't mean the system is broken.....do you actually think trump will give a shit about you if you go to China, he won't (i mean, neither will Hillary too).

>>31351217
>Yes, the opened their borders because they were required to because they're apart of the EU, but they don't put out the red carpet and pay the welfare that other nation-states that comprise the EU pay. The same case could be made for Croatia, Hungary, Italy, Greece ect... refugees are not heading their because they won't get as much money.
Because even if they want, there would still be no money to be got, that is because Spain & Portugal are poor states.
>They can choose to reject the US, it's no real skin off our backs (except votes in certain districts), but making a deal with a nation that has a vested interest in seizing land is a bad idea. Not to mention badmouthing other nations to the point that no one wants do deal with your BS.
I admit they should have been deal with the russian instead, but the russians are close with the chinks anyway. The influence of the US in world politics are waning, people are simply following a stronger horse.
>Like you did against the Japanese? Much easier said then done, especially if your president becomes a puppet for the Chinese.
Duerte is a nationalist and he would piss on both sides, and also, we appreciate the US for helping us against the japs, but to rely on them forever is not wise.

>>31351251
Obama is a bad president.

Trump will bring the jobs back to the USA, so China in return would be pissed about him.

Hillary on the other hand, wants to keep maintain US military presence in all over the world.

>>31350483
t.chink

>>31351262
1. You need to get this idea that just because some nations are having a harder time economically while in the EU doesn't mean they poor. The EU would not take on such dead weight, so much so that Greece was almost kicked out until they put in 10 hours of work a week and came up with a plan to reduce their debt, and even then/now they're on really thin ice.
2. The Russian are even worse, they economy is in decline, their politicians are persona non grata everywhere they go. In fact, the Chinese could learn from the Russian (or at least the consequences of their actions) and how they international community pounced (sanctions and such) on them when they tried to force their way into Ukraine after things started to not go their way based on (surprise) bullshit claims of sovereignty.
3. I agree it's not great to rely on other nations, but you literally have no better friend than the US. You were once our colony, which means there is a connection between us. Not only that but millions of Filipinos live and work in the US. They're a huge voting block who want nothing but the best for their home country. For Duterte, to basically throw all that away is insane. He has a golden meal ticket that could really help his people and he's choosing to throw it all away so he can seem tough towards the one nation that (horrendous genocide in the turn of the 1900s aside/ sexually assault) has done lots to help (even though our relationship is far from perfect).

>>31350341
We poured an obscene amount of money into the War on Drugs, pushed programs like DARE, ran innumerable TV ads, with nothing to show for it. The hardline approach did not work.

>>31351426
How many drug dealer did you kill and how many of them remained?

If you don't have what it takes to kill, then it isn't hardline enough.

>>31351423
>1. You need to get this idea that just because some nations are having a harder time economically while in the EU doesn't mean they poor. The EU would not take on such dead weight, so much so that Greece was almost kicked out until they put in 10 hours of work a week and came up with a plan to reduce their debt, and even then/now they're on really thin ice.
Greece ARE poor, they are bankrupt, Portugal & Spain are also poor, but they are not there yet. The very simple fact they don't have money to give refugees mean they are poor.
>The Russian are even worse, they economy is in decline, their politicians are persona non grata everywhere they go.
Their economy has stabilized and they are capable of arming any state if you give them money, cheaper than the US and chink too.
>how they international community pounced (sanctions and such) on them when they tried to force their way into Ukraine after things started to not go their way based on (surprise) bullshit claims of sovereignty.
Oh, is East Ukraine back in NATO's hands now?
>You were once our colony,
We were spanish/portugese, weren't we, we weren't your colony.
>For Duterte, to basically throw all that away is insane. He has a golden meal ticket that could really help his people and he's choosing to throw it all away so he can seem tough towards the one nation that (horrendous genocide in the turn of the 1900s aside/ sexually assault) has done lots to help (even though our relationship is far from perfect).
He's doing the right thing. Obama is nobody's friend.

It's time to look for better horses, the US cannot protect anyone, look at Ukraine.

>>31351278
No he won't, most of his company and their products are produced in factories in China and elsewhere. Not to mention that bringing back jobs to the US would result in prices for goods being significantly higher. That's the entire point of outsourcing, to produce large amounts of goods for lower prices in nations where you can afford to pay lower. All of that works to drive the cost down in what ever market you're trying to sell in. If you didn't by the time you factor in cost of labor and the raw materials, iphones would be upwards of a thousand dollars.

That military presence is whats keeping some nations from going off the deep end and initiating hostilities.

>>31350483
>remove US influence
>From PH
Maybe at the governmental level, but America has left/continues to leave its mark on the Philippines because of how connected they are/were. Culturally (for better or worse) the US left a rather large mark on the islands, I doubt the Chinese could do the same.

>>31351483
>the US cannot protect anyone, look at Ukraine.
What treaty was that again?

>>31351448
We couldn't just go around slotting drug dealers, capital punishment is already controversial as it is and internationally our reputation would've been even worse than it already is. How the fuck do you think the media/congress/various groups reacted if we started arbitrarily knocking off suspected drug dealers?
>>31351483
Fuck off, you know nothing of Flip history or its people.

>>31351494
In order to win, Trump has pledged for protectionist policies, and as prez, he's going to follow through.
>Not to mention that bringing back jobs to the US would result in prices for goods being significantly higher
Worth it.

>That military presence is whats keeping some nations from going off the deep end and initiating hostilities.
Didn't do jackshit in Ukraine.

>>31351514
So basically, you are not being hardline.

Saying shit on the TV, pouring money into things are not hardline.

>>31351519
Different anon, but last I checked Ukraine is not part of NATO nor do we currently have much of an obligation to go in and fix their own problems. There's a reason Russia can fuck with Ukraine and not the Baltic countries.

>>31351494
>No he won't, most of his company and their products are produced in factories in China and elsewhere. Not to mention that bringing back jobs to the US would result in prices for goods being significantly higher. That's the entire point of outsourcing, to produce large amounts of goods for lower prices in nations where you can afford to pay lower. All of that works to drive the cost down in what ever market you're trying to sell in. If you didn't by the time you factor in cost of labor and the raw materials, iphones would be upwards of a thousand dollars.

>MUH PRICES
Tell that to the stagnant middle class and people who have to work two jobs. Cheap goods is just a meme to get people to work for shit wages.

>>31351512
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of[8] an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

>>31351534
Of course not, its not fucking possible to do it here unless you suspended several parts of the justice system for an indefinite amount of time. Duterte can do as he wishes, but it wouldn't fly here for rather obvious fucking reasons.

>>31351537
US and Pinoy has a mutual defense treaty, but have you seen the US coming in and retaking Pinoy's lost island?

>>31351553
And assistance was provided. Was there something else that was supposed to be done?

>>31351555
So this is why you fail the War on Drug.

It's not a War at all, just a stupid campaign that wastes a shitload of money on advertising.

>>31351575
Yep, the same for pinoyland when it is attacked.

The US will provide some assistance and then fuck off.

No, thank you, we do not need your assistance if that's all it amounts to.

>>31351594
I think a mutual defense treaty is a bit different from what Ukraine had.

>>31351601
Where are US troops now retaking Pinoyland's lost island?

No, the US is in bed with China, they are the biggest trading partners.

>>31351574
>retaking Pinoy's lost island
The Philippines claims have so far not been taken by any of the other parties involved in the disputes, so there's nothing to currently re-take. Furthermore the US and the Philippines have held joint exercises in the Filipino zones annually (may change under Duterte).

>>31351483
1. Yes Greece is poor, I'm not disputing that. They're so poor that the EU basically said get a plan of action together where you can be not poor, or we're kicking you out for good and then you'll be truly fucked.
Those countries do have money coming in though, from trading, tourism and other sources. They've made some bad mistakes (what country hasn't) but they're not near governmental collapse. And like I aid, the reason their not a destination for refugees, is because they don't pay out as much when compared to the Scandinavian countries or the UK.
2. Their economy is abysmal and they know it. They spent nearly a decade putting yes men into power, taking a cut from it's coffers, made a huge international mistake (Crimea fiasco), got economically burned because of it, then tried to say it (Ukr Rev) was started by CIA trained Nazis. you want to talk poor, their economy is WORSE than Spain (if you want to go GDP) and shows no real signs of betting better.
http://www.businessinsider.com/iif-report-on-russias-economy-and-fx-reserves-2016-9
3. Not it is not, as such the sanctions are still in place.
4. You're right, you weren't a colony, you were an actual territory of the USA, as in legal a part of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_Government_of_the_Philippine_Islands
5. Stop listening to rhetorical designed to get you to vote one way or another regards of what is happening in reality. As for the Ukraine comment, we didn't need to protect Uk because we had no defense treaty with them.

>>31351617
>The Philippines claims have so far not been taken by any of the other parties involved in the disputes, so there's nothing to currently re-take.
Is the US the one preventing them to take these islands?
>Furthermore the US and the Philippines have held joint exercises in the Filipino zones annually (may change under Duterte).
Just like the bunch of NATO exercises in eastern Europe, saber rattling that means nothing.

>>31351585
>advertising
We backed the force that took down Pablo Escobar, we launched numerous raids in various South/Central American countries to take down drug factories, backed various south/central american governments in creating anti-drug task-forces, initiated a large crackdown on crack, extradite various drug lords, etc. And while it made a few differences, drugs are still available today. Therefore it can be concluded that our rather hardline policies did not work, hence why trying alternatives may be viable. But since you're one hilariously obtuse motherfucker, I don't think you'd understand.
>but just go hardline and kill them all
Nigger this isn't fucking China or whatever authoritarian shithole you happen to inhabit, we can't fucking do that. I don't know why this is so fucking hard for you to understand.
>>31351594
We have considerably older and more established ties with a former colony than some slavic shithole.

Those policies appeal to certain people to get votes man. and for the Ukraine comment, other anons have answered
>>31351550
Well, the middle class just got a raise, so thats good.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/13/news/economy/median-income-census/
Bringing in jobs from overseas, thereby driving the prices up would gut the middle class, as then everything would be significantly more expensive.
Cheap goods isn't a meme, look at all the areas in the midwest which were hit hard when companies starting going to China to get services. I'm not an economist, so i can't really say any more about this topic

>>31351619
>And like I aid, the reason their not a destination for refugees, is because they don't pay out as much when compared to the Scandinavian countries or the UK.
The fact they don't have money to pay is because they are poor. End of.
>Their economy is abysmal and they know it.
Their economy has stabilized and they can live with the sanctions.
>Not it is not, as such the sanctions are still in place.
So the sanctions might as well stay forever because they are not getting Ukraine back.
>You're right, you weren't a colony, you were an actual territory of the USA, as in legal a part of it.
So now we are not anymore, fuck off.
>Stop listening to rhetorical designed to get you to vote one way or another regards of what is happening in reality.
The reality is Obama's US is nobody's friend, not even yours, no rhetorics about it.
>As for the Ukraine comment, we didn't need to protect Uk because we had no defense treaty with them.
It's not like you could even if you have one.

>>31351663
this is what ive been trying to tell people, after 30 years of hardline, shoot em up policies, it's clear it doesn't work

>>31351663
I will never understand.

You kill various drug lords, but you did not kill all of them, and you never kill drug killers, and you tell me your hardline method doesn't work.

Motherfucker, your method ain't hardline, get tough or get out of here.

>>31351654
Were you dropped on the head as a child, or were you born this fucking stupid?
>preventing them to take these islands
The Philippines wants what they have NOW, they're not looking to expand in the Spratlys. They don't want any more islands.
>saber rattling that means nothing
They're NATO members, therefore we have significant obligation to render aid. We have a similar treaty in place with PH.

>>31351708
And I will never understand why you don't understand that we CANNOT just go capping drug dealers en masse.
>Get tough or get out of here
We'll find another way of doing things. If you wish to be an authoritarian obtuse ass about this, go right the fuck ahead. I'm through arguing this point with you.

>>31351666
Thus why these policies are to be enacted in order to appeal to these people.

>Bringing in jobs from overseas, thereby driving the prices up would gut the middle class, as then everything would be significantly more expensive.
Better the middle class be gut than the middle class feeding foreigners and the international market.
>Cheap goods isn't a meme, look at all the areas in the midwest which were hit hard when companies starting going to China to get services. I'm not an economist, so i can't really say any more about this topic
Cheap goods aren't just a meme, they are dangerous and will turn your country into an useless blob that exist just to buy shit made by chinese.

>>31351712
>The Philippines wants what they have NOW, they're not looking to expand in the Spratlys. They don't want any more islands.
I'm talking about China, and China are expanding, no matter what the US says.
>They're NATO members, therefore we have significant obligation to render aid. We have a similar treaty in place with PH.
These aids are lesser than a fucking Russian tank division.
Take that aid and shove it your ass.

>>31351726
I will never understand that because your method isn't hardline at all.

Stop calling a propaganda campaign to be hardline, it is weak shit.

>>31351748
>Take that aid and shove it your ass.

Talk like a truly bunch ungrateful island nigger glad China is wallowing up your shitty islands

>>31351796
It's not like the US will do anything anyhow.

Not under Obama.

>>31350483
Without america you would be a jap colony.

>>31351692
1. They do have money, but whatever. Lets take Russia then since you say their economy has stabilized, they don't they take in the refugees then, i mean 20% of their country is made of up Muslims anyways, which is more than most European nations.

2. If you considere stabilized to mean, "has stopped falling like a rock and is now stagnant" then sure, you can live with that. and you can't just live with sanctions. Do you even know what sanctions are? Literally entire industries of Russia are forbidden from partaking in the global economy at large because it's shown a complete disrespect of international law.

3. Well that's fine with us, its literally no skin off our back...at this point Russia has the ball in their court, if they want to continue alienating themselves, that's ok. I mean, they're only hurting themselves at this point.

4. correct, you are no longer. Not really sure the point you're trying to make here.
5. I guess, that's your opinion of him, that's ok. He's not supposed to be my friend, he's an elected leader of my nation, i don't care if he seems personable as long as his does the job he's there for, now how well you rate that job is a matter of opinion.

5. Yes we could have, do you even comprehend just how powerful the US military is? The Russian had difficulties supplying units WITHIN their own border during the support for the rebels in the East. If they can't support heir own forces within their borders, an enemy that shoots back hundreds of miles away from their borders would be a significant challenge.
>>31351748
That aid is assurance, if anything happens to them, they get steamrolled with more troops than they can field.

>>31349330
I'm a bit skeptical of the validity of statements from groups supporting a "president" that has literal death squads roaming the country.

>>31351977
join the party, it's full of delusional Filipinos
BYOB

>>31351927
>They do have money, but whatever.
If they have money, refugees would be flocking to them.
>Do you even know what sanctions are
I know what sanctions are, and they hurt Russia but Russia will not collapse or be pressured by sanctions, they are truly independent and can survive without the international market.

Russia will endure and keep East Ukraine forever if sanctions are to be only thing force on them.
> don't care if he seems personable as long as his does the job he's there for
Obama has been doing a piss poor job, but I guess as long as he's president, it's okay? Anyway, he's getting down soon.

>Yes we could have, do you even comprehend just how powerful the US military is?
If you are able, then do it, no need for me to comprehend.

>That aid is assurance, if anything happens to them, they get steamrolled with more troops than they can field.
Just like how Iraq is steamrolled, then now the americans have to get back again.

The US is a loud dog, it barks a lot but it doesn't bite all that hard.

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>>31350386
>Drugs are cancer. The communists let their agents spread drugs everywhere but the USSR.

Never been to Russia?

Their appetite for opiates and sedatives is without peer.

>>31352036
Ruskies are more alcoholic than addicts, but that's a good thing.

>>31351977
>>31352009
Duerte is doing the best for his country.

And it's going to get better.

Less mouths to feed, less drug on the market.

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>>31352065

Russians are the niggers of Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desomorphine

Just imagine how bad it was before the wall came down.

>>31350483
We'll see about that when you beg for more military aid because China is pounding your shitty country in the ass no lube. Hell we might as well fuck you in the mouth, Eiffel Tower your shitty country.

>>31352103
There are already niggers in Europe so there's no need for that.

>>31352065
>implying they're not both

>>31351585
Where did you get your degree professor? You seem to be awfully knowledgeable for a third world troglodyte.

>>31351594
Okay, have fun getting assraped. You think the Japs were bad? Shit just wait.

>>31352014
1. Refugees ARE flocking to them, but once they realize they can get more money from other countries, they leave.

2. Good luck going the road with that attitude. That's economic suicide. How are you going to make money? You can't just sell things from one end of Russia to another, the world economy doesn't work like that; it's not a closed system that one nation can just willingly pull out of (unless they want to be retarded on purpose).

3. again, that's a matter of opinion. Once again, I'm not really where you're heading with this/

4. Sure no problem: Where do want me to start? With our Air Force, which has over 3000 aircraft, all of them modern. Or maybe our Navy(which funnily enough contains the 2nd largest Air Force when you count Naval Aviation). Or maybe our submarine fleet, which is unparalleled anywhere in the world, save for the Royal Navy. Have you met you logistical corps, capable of maintaining the advance of our forces regardless of the combat situation.
5. Iraq was steamrolled, in 21 days no less, I assume you mean the insurgency that followed afterward. It went fairly poorly the first few years, then we listened to the guys on the ground, started the Surge and watched as fighting and violence melted away in areas where just months before Iraqi police wouldn't dared have entered. The only reason we're back is because the Iraqi government begged us on hands and knees to make a return, which is fun, as they were the ones who kicked us out in the first place before we were finished training their forces.
>>31352065
Look up AIDS infections rates in Russia, it's well over a million and climbing with no end in sight, all because of needle sharing and drug use.
PS although I'm sure this is in no way relevant at all toward Duterte and his war in drugs, Russia has some of the most Draconian drug laws.

>>31351708
Just as a little refresher, you DO remember we invaded a whole country to take out a president who was corroborating with narcos right?

>>31351729
>wanting the middle class to be devastated
idiot

>>31351748
I can't wait for China to wreck your shit

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>it's a you're going to wish you were America's bitch when you're %boogeyman%'s bitch thread

>>31352076
Do you understand how drugs work?
You make it harder to transport/sell the drugs, the price goes up. People become curious as to what the fuss is about, do the drugs, and boom. Bigger drug problem, richer dealers and importers, more drugs flooding the market. Cocaine used to be (I believe anyways) somewhere around $20 a gram. Now, in the US, the average price is somewhere around $70-$100 a gram. Wanna know why? They risk more, it's in higher demand, etc. Use your brain nip.

>>31352591
I can't believe people don't understand how this works....like, simply look at any prohibition and you'll see why it's bad.

>>31349330
I have only three arguments and after that the discussion is pretty much over because none of you have a very good idea of what is about to happen.

1. Duterte is an out and about champagne socialist and has all of the credentials to back it up. If you look into his time as mayor/governor/crime lord he has almost always stated he is on the side of the people while simultaneously appeasing the ruling moneyed Chinese (who if you don't realize, actually own and control most of the Philippines).

He WILL ally with China and sell the country out in one fell swoop... Not that it will change much on the ground for the average Filipino.

2. Duterte's drug elimination operation is a way to crush and mangle any potential rivals or sources of income for those who may oppose him in the future. This is purely a consolidation of power to ensure that his backers are squared away and ready for what comes next.

What will happen next? The Chinese government will loosen capital controls into the Philippines sometime in the next few months/years and a tidal wave of Chinese manufacturing immigration (Managers, Engineers, Executives) will flood in and take advantage of the now "Safe" and "Sanitized" population.

3. The United States will be forced into either a soft power conflict or outright overthrowing the Duterte Government in order to ensure that the Chinese do not gain more influence than they already have in the Filipino Government. The end result of this will be that Duterte will survive and immediately do something dumb to retaliate such as create a hostage crisis with embassy officials or something else that will ratchet up to a flashpoint.

This is it. There isn't much else going on here guys. Stop reading in and recognize who and what the Han Chinese are.

>>31349330
good, maybe less Flips will immigrate to the US

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>>31352762
Ai-ya, the gweilo know! Shut it down!

>>31352824
If anything immigration will increase from flips looking to escape from de facto Chinese occupation.

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>>31349330
>Monkey-face Philippino president = will of the Peenoise people.
I have Philippino friends in cuckbook and they all seem to be angry at that president's anti-US stance.

>>31349463
THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>31352934
They are cucks and traitors.

>Philippines is not 'little brown brother' of U.S.: foreign minister

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11L2EE

Fuck America.

>>31353368
have fun when China takes your islands and you don't have us to get them back for you

>>31353382
What are shitty islands compared to three decades of daily corruption, violence, drugs and murder - all supported by the USA through their proxy , the rotten Manila connection and their associated clans.

China never killed a Filipino. US supported Mafia and corrupt politicians killed millions.

>>31353444
You think the US is corrupt, wait until you see the Chinese

>>31353368
>mfw I've routinely referred to Filipinos on 4chan as "little brown Americans"

>>31353557
We know about Chinese corruption. And we deal with it appropiately. Duterte just shot dead several Chinese Mafia bosses - but they are small fishes compared to those that Washington has supported over the years.

>>31352545
I do like the false narrative that the Philippines are in any shape or form America's bitch.

>>31353577
No, he's killing those he perceives as a threat to him. He doesn't actually give a fuck about the well being of your people....look though this threads, it's been discussed.

>>31352545
True.

Traditionally, China never really excerted any 'bitch-class' influence over any of their allies.

Hell, China cant even make Pakistan rein in the Uighur terrorists and North Korea still is happily defying China's interests with their Nuke shit.

China is always very hands-off in terms of foreign policy.

>>31353653
He cleaned up Davao City, formerly known as being the Chicago of the Philippines.

I dont care if he kills his oppositionals and rivals, as long as he ensures that the streets are freed from crime and mafia.

Normal people dont care about Politics. All we care is whether we can live peaceful lives and conduct our honest businesses or not. And the Mafia was intefering with that.

Duterte is the best that could have happened to the Philippines. I dont care about shitty islands. China might as well build their theme parks and shitty malls on them for all I care.

>>31353577
>Duterte just shot dead several Chinese Mafia bosses
He went to Hong Kong and did that personally? Kek.

>>31353692
Local Chinese Mafia Bosses.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/07/08/philippines-president-duterte-will-kill-drug-lords/

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/1991411/duterte-draws-china-his-shoot-kill-drug-war-one-simple

He's the Punisher.

>>31349330
Everyone is always "Fuck US" until you friendly neighborhood Abu Hajaar comes for a visit, and than everyone goes "Help US".

>>31350197
>Russia.
>Doing anything outside their immediate neighborhood.
Wake me when they have a port that doesnt stay frozen and is not cucked by two straits

>>31353716
Local peenoise criminals tend to be peenoise.

>>31350993
>Or they truly independent and don't need to rely on the US anymore.
Enjoy your north-korea tier self-imposed isolation.

>>31353656
>China never really excerted any 'bitch-class' influence over any of their allies.
>China is always very hands-off in terms of foreign policy.

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>>31353368
Daily reminder loving your country doesnt mean hating others.

Especially one that has helped us for decades.

>>31351000
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/world/asia/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte.html

This is the sort of shit the US does in secret all over the world, murders, bombings, funding/arming terrorists, stirring up discontent, backing corrupt politicians, etc

Theres 1 bad guy in this world, and its name is the United States

>>31353933
So one guy is evidence that we'd start shit in our former colony when we already had them on our side? took you long enough.....

>>31353933
Holy shit how corrupt is the USA.

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>>31350483
This guy is 100% correct.

>>31350595
>>31350914
>>31351000
>>31351343
>>31351894
>>31352114

You dumb Burgers need to wake the fuck up and stop believing in the mythology of American Exceptionalism.

The USSA are the largest fomenters of terrorism world wide. If you think USSA foreign policy has anything to do whatsoever with muh freedom or muh democracy then you are fucking delusional and have no awareness whatsoever of history, economics, or anything else pertinent to this discussion.

>>31354392
We don't (or at least I don't) we just think it's a shitty idea to have government sponsored death squads killing political opponents then inviting the nation that has a vested interest in stealing your islands into your house.

>>31354463
Fair enough. But you sound pretty smart. I think we both know that you and I (and for that matter, many on 2^2 chan) are not the average highly propagandized Burger, and therein lie the problem.

>>31354392
AMERICA #1 FUCK YOU COMMIE BITCH

>>31353717
> not understanding "you friendly neighborhood Abu Hajaar" = US / CIA

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>>31353933
DING DING DING WINNAR WINNAR CHICKEN DINNAR!!!

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>>31353999
> one guy
remember we deposed the elected leader of Chile to install Pinochet
we deposed what's his name to install the Shah of Iran
and on and on, these are just the first two that come immediately to mind

We regularly support brutal regimes (Saudi Arabia, etc.) while deposing democratically elected leaders. Therefore our foreign policy has nothing at all to do with "muh freedom!!1!" nor "muh democracy!!1!" or any of the other bullshit you hear on your evening MSM propaganda broadcast.

Open your eyes, and stop believing in the mythology of American Exceptionalism and our foundational mythologies surrounding the founding fathers and the Constitution.

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I'd say whoever would pony up the dough for industrialization of the country is fine. Its embarassing how backward everything there is here.

Good, hopefully their shitty pinoy nurses will stop coming here.

>wanting to the country to be overrun by muslims and chinese
>nothing of value was lost

at least when the Americans run things, they stay out of the country other than tourists and beta white males that marry a green card seeking filipina.

All America offers is jewish cultural poison, nigger blood, foreign entanglements, and crippling debt. What Duterte is doing is to play the U.S. off against China and vice versa, to hopefully achieve the greatest benefits for the Philippines.

holy shit, the monkey king btfoing the zionist states of america

Just kill all these filthy subhman niggers of asia
Problem = solved

Literally the Mexicans of Asia.

This just goes to prove that filipinos as a culture and ethic group does not deserve a place on this earth. Should have gotten rid of them the first time around when the public weren't bleeding heart liberals

>>31350188
>Built a Nuclear Powerplant, and has a rice/food sufficiency program and other agricultural programs that was sold to ASEAN neighbors that didn't became a industrilizing first world.
>Believing CIA Operation Mockingbird against people they labeled as dictators

>>31354463
Disband your CIA then.

Reminder that Duterte's anti-American rhetoric is not popular with the public especially with the Philippine military that has worked very closely with US forces for decades.

>>31361372
Sources? Not that i'm doubting you, just curious.

>>31361372
Apparently majority of Filipino can't differentiate European from American

>>31361378
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/15/which-countries-dont-like-america-and-which-do/

The flips top the list m8. Their president is going full retard.

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Why the fuck is this thread even on /k/?

>>31354392
Literally not a fucking argument

>>31354392
You seemed to misspell the most exceptional nation on earth.

Its USA, friend!

>>31349330
Didn't he also say that he would eat an ISIS member with salt and vinegar?

>>31361369
>disband your CIA
>implying it's within the power of any American to do that


>>31361480
if you're going to make terrible false flag posts please learn English first

>>31361494
What is wrong with my english?

>>31361516
*English

>>31361372
Kek what he did up until today was largely populist moves, meaning that he did it to rally the majority behind him.

>>31349330
http://www.rappler.com/nation/110952-duterte-end-game-leadership

>>31361520
>tfw a middle school english teacher is on /k/.

>>31361372
Flipfag here, fucking this.

Anyone who claims that they blindly support Duterte's anti-US rhetoric is a Duterte shill or a 50 center.

When he said that US specops should fuck off from Mindanao, his defense secretary rebuked him and said that specop guys are vital to gathering intelligence that we ourselves do not have.

Can't wait for him to become a Noriega or Escobar.

Daily reminder that Duterte's supporters are all a bunch of filthy gommies spouting shill tier memery and does not represent the entirety of fliplanistan.

If you go to flip defense forums or Nationalist pages in normie book ALL of them are anti-Duterte to some extent because of his connection to commies and his Chink ass-licking.

>>31361345
nigger, the reason why we're a thurd world shithole is due to over budgeting - hence why major highways were left deteriorating not until rehabilitation programmes came

>>31358900
When Americans run things they start forcing negro "refugees" on people

>>31362025
So, no problem that he kills people like a dictator, but that he is leftist and loves the Chinese?

Wow. I bet Hitler would be good for you. I bet you would be happy to get gassed by him as a shitskin vermin, as long as he isnt commie and loves the Chinese amirite?

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>>31350177
>pumping

Literally.

>>31349451
Maybe they'll stop coming to our country illegally if we leave there's.