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Does anyone know what it's like to be a logistics specialist in the navy?

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>>31345745

Pretty good living compared to the other surface rates(jobs). What I'm about to say won't make sense until you go underway(out to sea) and understand how life works and how simple things make the biggest difference.

On a ship you'll have a good amount of working space, which means places to keep extra personal shit and places to hang out outside of the common areas like where you sleep and the mess decks. You are the sole division to go through to order parts and supplies, so, not only will you have things like working printers, office supplies, and extra crap, but you'll also be able to squeeze in extra shit like big ass TV's for your office. Also, on that note, having access to things like a working printer or even a 3-inch binder means a lot more than you can understand now. Plus, you are apart of SUPPLY DEPARTMENT, meaning you have a good connect to the other supply divisions, such as the cooks and store keepers.

In short, logistic specialist have some of the best working/living conditions compared to their counterparts.

love,

GM2(SW)

>>31345517
>Madame president
Fuck off hillshill

Just scored 11x with a 10,000 dollar bonus I leave early next month. Long time poster on /k/ I'll miss u guys

>>31345854
different anon

thank you for the info

>>31345854
Great info. Thanks.

Is the military handing out waivers?

>>31346178
for what?

>>31346237
I have an RE code of 3 from the army

always try to get in as an Army Warrant Officer Rotary Wing Pilot first.

When Hillary wins what are the chances of us getting sent back to the sandbox?

>>31346556
Every president wants their war

I'm in a predicament /k/, it's a bit lengthy so I'll summarize.

>trying to join the Corps as an officer via Platoon Leaders Course
>No tats, 4.0 gpa entering my junior year of college, 272 on PFT (22:20 3 mile run, 20 pull ups, 98 crunches in 2 mins), have a 92 AFQT, GT of 124.
Now for the cons.
>Two tickets, one reckless driving.
>Rear ended someone maybe 2yrs ago
>Today, rear ended someone

So other than being a shitty driver, is my rear ending someone today going to doom my chances at being selected for OCS? Do I just have to hope that the other applicants are A) retards B) unathletic C) felons D) all three?

>>31346783
Just make sure your shit is paid off.
>buddy had a 700$ fine for being homeless and living under a bridge when he was 17
>this prevents him from enlisting
>paid it off and he was good to go to enlist

Not sure if that story helps ease ur mind or not.

To be honest, i would google the regs, then decide whether or not to tell. If its good to go, tell them, if its not, see if u can get it off your record with driving school or some shit

Sites there don't cover my question too well.

How well do i have to function in water for recon?

so my question from last thread. im filling out a packet for security clearance but i dont really have any references especially ones that ive known for 10 years. wat do?

>>31347797
lol

>>31346556
>when Hillary wins
She just passed out in national view

>>31347837
seriously, what do i do? am i freaking out over nothing?

Is Navy IT a good rate? Also, how hard is it to get in the Coast Guard? Is it more difficult to get in than the AF?

>>31345517
DLPT language tests; Does anyone have any info, experience, or practice tests for Arabic? I have been taking arabic at my local college and am about to get my AA for it. But I would like to know where i stand military wise with the language.

It'll be a good day on /k/ when Trump wins, hopefully shuts the lolbitarians up.

>>31345858
Back to

>>>/pol/

stupid drumpfkin retard

>>31347837
>>31348114

Find people. Teachers, bosses, whatever. People who know you personally are best, but if you don't know anyone at least put someone down from that period in your life.

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>>31345745
>>31346012
>>31346161
See >>31345854

But what he fails to mention are a few major key things.

First, thats lame as fuck. You are a glorified warehouse worker. Thats lame and barerly a military job at all. You will be bored out of your mind cause all you will do is sort, order and carry parts around. It will be insanely boring.
Second, the SUPPLY dept is nicknamed the mango mafia cause its all Philipinos. If you are anything but that they wont like you. Im not kidding about this.
Third, because the rate is so easy to get it is very overmanned so advancement is absolutely horrible.
Fourth, for the same reason there are no bonuses and you will most likely get kicked out cause its overmanned.

Choose a different rate.

love,

OS2(SW)

>>31345976
>10,000 dollar bonus
How??? I thought the army suspended all bonuses until the new fiscal year, or is that just re-enlistment bonuses?

>>31348503
>is Navy IT a good rate?
Yes, but CTN is way better. So is CTR.

>>31349538
Thanks for the info.

>>31350461
NP, are you thinking navy? What rates you looking at?

>>31350479
>>31350479
Yeah, I'm leaning towards navy. I was looking into something that seems pretty straightforward. I like Personnel Specialist, Ship's Serviceman, Logistics Specialist, or maybe Quartermaster.

>>31350851
Man desu all those suck, but if you had to pick one id definitely go QM.
What made you want those??

>>31346440

If it was a physical injury, and you can get a letter from a doctor saying you're in good standing health, you can get a waiver.

>>31351009
They seem like shitty straightforward jobs so I can serve 4 years and get out. I thought about more interesting ratings like Areographer's Mate or Corpsman, but I like being the idea of just doing my small job while still getting a uniform and paying for college.

Joining the Air Force, but now I really have a desire to remove kebab
Wat do?

>>31351131
>shitty straightforward jobs
Bro youre exactly right, thats why you shouldnt do them. They are so insanely boring and filled with such idiots you are gonna want to kill yourself everyday.

I did 4 and got out and am using my Gi Bill same as you want to, but that doesnt mean you still cant enjoy your time in and do something cool. The military lets you do things youd never have a chance to do as a civilian. If youre gonna be stuck in for 4 years you might as well do something you can look back on and be glad you did.

>>31351147
drone pilot

>>31351161
I'm still thinking everything through. I would hate to just pick whatever sounds cool. I want to be sure I'll enjoy it.

>>31351290
>I want to be sure I'll enjoy it.
That sounds like the exact opposite of what you just said.
Are you saying youll enjoy those rates you said before? Supply rates are the near the shittiest ones, your just an office bitch doing paperwork.

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Any other fat asses here trying to lose weight? Running sucks desu

>>31351350
I like running but next-day aches and pains fucking suck.

>>31351147
Air Force are the ones that have been doing most of the kebab removal

>>31351350
>>31351403
Running doesnt help you loose weight.
Or i should say its like 5% of the battle and you should literally weight until you weigh less to do it. All you are going to do is blow out your knees, low back and ankles.

If you want to loose weight you need to clean up your diet. Whats easier, eating a snickers and drinking a coke than trying to burn off those 500+calories OR simply not eating them?

Clean up your diet is first priority, if you want to at the same time do some compound weight lifting and some low impact cardio. Either walking or rowing. Possibly slow stair master, stuff where your fat body wont be fighting you and fuck up your joints the entire time like it does while running. Swimming is also great.

>>31351447
Complete lie

>>31345517
What's the outlook for air force ots over the next fiscal year?

>>31351255
That's what I figured
>>31351477
Interested in this

>>31348576
>drumpf

Alright friendo

>>31351461
Well i also need to be able to pass the navy prt. Yea my knees hurt, but can't pass it without running.

>>31351477
To expand on this, I got a 3.6 GPA in electrical engineering and I've had a stable job for the past 1 and a half years. I'm going for 62E.

Should have done AFROTC but too late for that.

>>31351334
Honestly, I think I'll enjoy anything. People are really picky about jobs but I've had some pretty shitty jobs. Plus I hear people say those are shitty jobs, but then others say it's what you put into it. Then you got those guys who think everyone has a shitty job except themselves. I'm just trying to hear as many opinions as possible to piece together what job I'm right for.

how hard is it to get into west point? how beneficial would it be to attend there?

>>31348540
If you are familiar with rosetta stone, that is what we learn the first month of any of the language schools.

Ive taken the dlpt for korean. You need to be able to read the newspaper and summarize its content as well as anwer specific questions as if youre writing a report on it. The listening portion is about a paragraph long speech that you have to transcribe after a few passes. And the speaking is anwersing question abput whats going on in the world and you respond with your opinions and ask them what they think.

If you can handle that you can pass the dlpt.

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>army denied my waiver on Wednesday, Sergeant recommended I try another branch of service
>at the marine office earlier today
>medical sheet ends with "have you ever been disqualified for service from another branch"
>said no

If I say yes, I'm worried I'll just be back on the same fucking rejection carousel. But I don't know how automatic their profile generation is.

Should I call him back and tell the Marines I made a mistake?

>>31351477
>>31351808
No chance, OTS is avoiding engineers these days. Go Navy

>>31351821
Not guy your responding to

You will have so much downtime in the military, and 4 years goes by fast. I regret having gone the intel route I did, and wish i did something you cant do on the outside like tanker or combat engineer, or even cav scout.

My job was to sit at a desk and do what amounted to 1 hour of work that i spread out through the day. After i got out, i look at my past and go, sure i can put this on my resume, but it doesnt matter. Because you can get any job with a bachelors degree. Even if i went infantry, id still be in the same university im in now, earning the degree i need to work as an agent. All they care about is a CJ degree. Doesnt matter if you were a door kicker or a desk flyer, they only care about degrees. Most people who apply for agent jobs are civs with no mil experience if you think about it.

Go for what you think sounds cool. Enlistment goes by fast, and youre gonna want to make the most of it.

>>31351887
If your are already past your sophmore year in highschool, its too late, unless you are in sports or eagle scouts or jrotc.

If u are about to graduate highschool, you have 2 options that will be succesful.

1. Enlist, and after 1 year in, you can request to go to academy. Westpoint spams your email box every few months saying to talk with their recruiter.
2. National guard, and same thing like above.

My recommendation is to send an email to westpoint recruiter and talk with them about it. They should have contact info on the schools site.

>>31346783
If they paid off it's not that big a deal. Your PFT is good try to max it if you can. Try your best to get accepted through the 2 year PLC program, applying to OCS afterwards is a lot more competitive.
The acceptance rates for OCS are way lower, unless you want a pilot contact, it's around 50% then.
How'd you get ready for the PFT

>>31352049
That sucks. Are they still looking for drone pilots and combat rescue officers?

What are some good officer rates for engineers in the navy?

>>31352171
Cont

Forgot to snawer your second part.

Its only worth it if you want the experience and culture.

There are much better military academies out there such as the citadel and VMI.

Being an academy officer doesnt make you better than someone from ocs. I have met only 1 academy officer that wasnt a douchebag, and that was because he was prior enlisted.

Im not saying its bad to go to academy, you get the experience and culture. And you get access to some of the greatest knowledge on warfare in the world. Its up to you to decide if thats what you want.

Heres my explanation for why academy officers are disliked.

Imagine living in a school where tradition and culture override logic. And after 4 years of immersing yourself in that culture of hazing and one way learning, you enter into the military world. Where the traditions and culture are nowhere near as strict, and is actually looked down upon. And every leadership skill you learned based off that experience gets thrown out the window.

I honestly would only go to academy if i was a military brat who actually knew how the military worked already, or prior enlisted so i know not to fall into the mindset of academy life. Going in as a blank slate thinking thats how military life is like will more than likely set yourself up for failure once you do join the ranks.

>>31351461
I would do this, but I need to pass the APFT. I'm fine as is with sit-ups, and my push-ups could use some work, but my running is the only thing that's keeping me back currently. Any tips? You seem to know something about it.

>>31352339
Lose the fat first. Lift

>>31351942
Thanks for that information. I giess the only thing i should be worried about is what dialect they would use for arabic and to learn more vocab of course.

>>31346465
Heh who told you that

>>31352080
Thanks.

>>31352903
No one. I was in the army and regret every chance I had to be a warrant pilot

>>31345517
What's the best option in order to prepare yourself for the military:

Boxing
Muay Thai
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

>>31353342
Lel. I was a warrant, the grass isn't always greener.

I wanna see combat and I like weapons and stuff, should I do army or marines? I'm talking about infantry and special forces.

>>31352888
Look up the DLI school page, i think they show what dialects they teach. I think its called MS something, modern standard idk. I have no clue about arabic other than the students always saying shookran.

>>31353838
Army for a vast multitude of reasons that has been discussed numerous times.

>>31353363
Boxing, because the cardio will be good for your run and ruck.

The only service that takes unarmed combat seriously is the marines. So if thats your interest look up what their unarmed combat school is called and find out what MOS they mostly take.

>>31353914
like what reasons?

>>31352289
Pilot, Naval Flight Officer, Nuke

>>31352289
From what I've seen CRO slots are very low buy they do need a lot of rated designators which are the pilot, NFO, and drone pilots

>>31353931
BJJ is quite intensive too though

>>31353950
Advancement, schools, quality of life.

>>31349538
I'm an AECF depper. What's in store for me, OS2?

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>>31345517
>Why would anyone willingly sign up to murder other human beings for the benefit of banksters, multinational corporations, and the .001%?, the thread

>>31353976
It is, but boxing training has exercises more closely related to army pt training. Ive had to run long distance for boxing, for bjj everything was indoors. Im not saying one is better, im saying one is more similar to the stuff we do in the army. If you were gonna do marines, then i would say do bjj since their programs uses it more.

>>31352496
I've lifted in the past for extended periods of time before, and have never seen any results. It just doesn't seem to work for me.

>>31354084
>Decent pay for sitting around and sometimes shooting cool guns.
>free school, so i dont have to take a loan or rely on money from parents
>endless amount of buddies to go drinking with or hang out with so i dont have to go solo anywhere and look like a faggot
>free fashion advice from openly gay marines
>access to Space A, which lets me fly almost anywhere in the world for a couple hundred bucks or less

Seems pretty good anon, idk what that banker talk is all about, i take my orders from a captain with a poetry major, and all he tells me to do is not get arrested on my way home from the strip club.

>>31354143
Thanks
I'm going for the French Army though, infantry

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How accurate of a depiction was this?

Seemed like a sound choice for an enlisted female.

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>>31354278
Another equally sound choice. She gives off that low socioeconomic demographic vibe.

>>31354260
Ahh okay. Then ya go BJJ. Here in the US army we hardly prioritize unarmed combat training. Most of our focus is on suppressive fire and movements if anything.

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>>31354290
The only thing Hollywood is missing is a film with this chick as an E-7. Only then will Hollywood have an accurate depiction of every enlisted female.

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>>31354305
>missing is a film with this chick as an E-7

>>31354084
Hey, reddit.

>>31354278
>>31354290
I would say camp x ray was very accurate in regards to service life and female soldiers.

Battleship....was too many one liners, and idk about navy, but idt a gunners mate or whatever she was, would be switching between manning a gun on a boat to using computer firing controls on the same boat. I always thought officers actually do the firing of shit from the computers.

>>31354305
Lmao working as the S4 NCOIC, or as a platoon sgt for HHC.

>>31351636
You shouldnt rush it though. It will do more harm than good. How soon is prt and how fat are you?

>>31352080
Agreed
>>31353280
Thats what im saying, you dont wanna be a paper pusher for 4 years, do something cool youll enjoy.

>>31352339
>>31354164
Like i said before, if you are fat lossing the weight by itself will make all you numbers improve. If you weigh 30lbs of fat less thats less weight you have to push up so you can easily do more. Slimming down is key.

>>31354047
I typed something out a while ago about this, let me grab my food than ill find it.

>>31354245
>>31354344
> not understanding that the US military is the enforcement arm of the largest criminal enterprise the world has ever seen

You are not in the military to hang out and be cool and shit, you are there to murder other human beings, and depose sovereign foreign governments who don't want their natural resources stripped from them, and who want no part in the western central bank scam financial ripoff system.

Don't wait until you are older to realize that the entire power that the state criminal enterprise derives to rob and kill innocent people all flows from the barrel of a gun. You are enabling it, and that blood is on your hands. With no front line enforcers, the state has no power.

Our .gov no longer follows the will of the people, they only serve the .001%, is that who you want to go kill for? Because that is the reality of the situation.

>>31354576

Muslims are not people.

Period.

>>31354605
you are literally retarded

>>31354047
Here from another thread

Wasnt a FC or ET but i knew em on my ships.

>ET
Just do maintenance and stand a watch thats easy as hell. They just hang out in there space with a hydra (walkie talkie) incase they get called to fix something. The good thing about the ET rate is you can get stationed anywhere so its very flexible, the bad side is 2 things i can think of, if you have a specific NEC you may have the exact opposite effect and get stuck to only a few ships even. Also when i was in they were super overmanned and the advancement was god god god awful. Pretty sure ET1 was like 1%.
>FC
All depends on what type you are.
The tomahawk guys had it the best. Stand watch in there own space and do some maintenance. Occasionally run a tomahawk scenario.
SPY guys stood watch in CIC plus maintenance. They had massive re-enlistment bonuses from what i remember.
The 5in and CIWS ones were ok, stood easy watch in CIC plus maintenance.

Bottom line
Id hope for FC over ET easily. Faster advancement, bigger bonuses, cooler job in general. Either way though youre whole job is doing lots of maintenance. Its gonna be boring and repetitive. The watches you stand are easy though.

>>31354245
basically this

its decent alternate to life if college doesnt work. Contract can even cover student loans you've already accrued

Been really considering joining the airforce and doing pararescue. What should I expect?

>>31354576
But I want to kill people I don't like in foreign lands. Muslims too. Military sounds perfect for me.

>>31354871
Me as your commanding officer when I apply for ots as a combat rescue officer since apparently they only take 62E's from Academy and ROTC.

>>31351403
stretch before and after

Do not bounce your shit

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>>31345517
What exactly does a 91A/Army ordnance Officer do on the daily? Do they ever get the chance to go outside the wire if deployed? Can ordnance officer's go to ranger bat or special forces selection? Is Ordnance or any of the other logistics branches competitive at OCS?

>>31353838
Special Forces is a term entirely exclusive to US army green berets. If you mean Special Operations, there's several options. In the army, there's the special forces, the rangers, and a few others. For the Marines, there's Force Recon and MARSOC, but neither of those are entry level jobs, and there's little to no room to move up past that in Marines. Since it's peacetime, the amount of combat you'd see as a Marine infantryman is almost entirely negligible. If you go Rangers or special Forces however, there is significantly more room to move up and see actual combat. Plus, there's CAG and SAD/SOG in the career path.

However, judging from the way you talk about it, you won't hack it.

>as a side note, never equate the memerenes to special forces or special ops units, the marines are leagues behind, and anyone who tells you otherwise is an inbred mong

>>31354947
T-Thanks

>>31346556
Very high. She never met a war she didn't like and wants to fuck with Putin.

>>31354084
>it's another "the hundreds of jobs in the military all involve killing people" post

>>31354994
answer this question plz. Im also interested inlogisitcs

>>31348576
>drumpfkin
Wow you referred to the name Donald Trump's grandfather had before he moved to the US and got a more Anglo sounding name like millions of other immigrants. You sure showed him, anon. I don't know what we would do without you.

>>31355035
>However, judging from the way you talk about it, you won't hack it.
What makes you think that? I'm not the same poster that asked the question

>>31355279
I know it's impossible to judge tone based on text, but just the phrasing gives me the vibe that he's not really serious about a career in the military, and just wants to live out his call of duty fantasy. Realistically that could be totally false, and nothing against him if it is, but that's just a gut feel I got from his post

>>31354692
What's standing watch like? How does it differ from "work"?

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>>31354605
>>31354928
Falling for the ol Zionist divide and conquer, good goys!

Ask yourself who precipitated the entire current situation with Muslims immigrating into Europe? Que bono? Who benefits? Who is allowing it, even though noone wants it?

Going back further, who started all these current wars in the Middle East?

Going back even further, who drew the lines in the sand and created the current powers and nations in the Middle East after world war 2?

And who has been non stop meddling in the affairs of foreign "sovereign" (in reality, many puppet) nations in the Middle East ever since?

You may want to check your facts and history before you go indicting entire races and religions of people, especially to the point of wanting to kill them.

The truth is, the Muslims are not now, and never have been in a position of power to engineer any of this. But ask yourself, who has?

Or, you know, just remain ignorant and murder people. There is a reason that the military only wants to sign up young guys after all, they don't understand much nor ask too many questions.

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>>31355376
So it's thanks to the Jews that I could be killing Muslims?

Thank you, merchant-kun. You are greatest ally.

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>>31355376
I care not from where the blood flows.

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>>31355035
> since it's peacetime
> peacetime

> endless war in numerous countries around the world
> peacetime

>>31355376

>powerful groups have power

No way!

>young guys

Their knees don't blow out as fast. NCOs need to have experience and also have knees, which is a time crunch.

>>31355495
>peacetime is relative

Special operations are getting all the action my friend

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Any officers here?

How did your time go during your first Court Martial? I know every officer has to do it at least once. Is it the same as jury duty or more intensive?

>>31355529
>sitting for weeks on end having to hear about some miserable enlistedfags sad life and his stupid decisions

Sounds like fun, desu ne.

If I want to join the AF as an officer by next summer or around this time next year. Should I quit smoking weed now?

>>31351334

>not realizing being an office guy is the best

>>31355137
And you don't have any problem with killing innocent people, who are trying to defend their homes from foreign invaders? Wouldn't you do the same?

The cognitive dissonance and/or ignorance/propagandizement of Burgers truly is astounding.

>>31348503
coast guard needs bodies right now, 2k enlistment bonus

>>31355710

>who are trying to defend their homes from foreign invaders?

So when Hazara tribesmen join the ANA to fight the Taliban, they aren't doing the same thing?

>>31355416
>>31355511
Still too young, dumb, and full of cum to realize that all wars are bankers wars, fought by the poor, for the benefit of the rich. Stupid fucking slaves of the worst type, willfully ignorant.

At least >>31355463 knows he is a straight up psychopath, and seems to know exactly what he's signing up for. Which, strangely, I have less disdain for.

About to flunk out of the police academy because I'm a noguns pussy and can't pass firearms qualification. Should I join the Army infantry and get training so I can come back to the academy once I'm out?

>>31355825

>Still too young, dumb, and full of cum to realize that all wars are bankers wars

Explain Afghanistan.

>>31355844
Look into what opium production in Afghanistan has become since 2001. Look at rising heroin use inside the US and elsewhere. Connect the dots yourself.

See aye aee are the biggest drug cartel in the world.

>>31355826
The Army won't help you much to get good at firearms. Counterintuitive, I know

If you're really that bad, you're gonna have to practice at a range with an instructor

>>31355895

Opium and frankly the entire peanut-sized Afghan economy pales in comparison to the cost of the trillion-dollar campaign itself, try again. You also still didn't touch on this yet:

>>31355766

>>31355825
I'm not dumb. I just want to fight and kill. There's nothing wrong with that you fucking pussy.

>>31355990
As much as I disagree with the smelly bisexual, you are being an incredibly edgy faggot

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>>31355343
It completely depends on your rate. A few dont even stand watch underway.
For example,
If you are a PS/YN you dont stand watch you just work in your office during the day.
If you are a UNdes/BM you wills tand watch in the bridge, helmsman and BMOTW are examples of this.
For me as an OS all we do is stand watch. I stood 12 hours of watch a day underway. I sat at a radar and monitored a few other thigns as well. Its in a blue lit air conditioned room though but still 12 hours is 12 hours.
Work is other things that need done.
Mostly cleaning, some rates have lots of weeks maintenance to do. Could be moving stuff, painting, general shit that needs doing.

>>31355343
>>31356323

Keep in mind ships aren't the only things we do.

>>31356456
>Keep in mind ships aren't the only things we do.
>we
Whose we? Whats your rate?

>>31356478

We being Navy dudes, and YN is mine. What's up? :)

>>31356489
>:)
Gay?
>YN
You should cross rate

People always say getting into groups like the 75th Ranger Regiment isn't as hard as staying in those groups. What exactly does that mean? What does someone have to do (or fail to do) to get kicked out?

>>31356543

It's treated me well, it's a good rating if you can actually read and give a fuck.

>>31356561
How long you been in?
Pay grade?

>>31356591

7, E6

>>31356645
Thats damn good especially for a YN, you get capped? Or you just one of those who writes himself awards and maxes award points?
We had this YN1 who had been in for like 14 years and had seriously like 10 nams. He eventually got picked up for chief.

>>31356671

Nope I'm just an exam ninja. I think most YNs don't actually read dat good. I have a so-so amount of awards points.

>>31355825
Do you have any proof of your claims or do you get them from obscure YouTube channels?

>>31356700
Word, you east coast or west?

I can find base pay for officers but what about the types of bonuses one might get like sea pay, sub pay etc?
How does BAH and BAS work while on a ship?

>>31356815
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/career/payandbenefits/Pages/default2.aspx
Notice all the links on the right
BAH amount is based on the Zip you are in, ts ship dependent when you get it but generally its E-5 and up with an address. BAS gets taken away and given to the galley minus like 30 bucks.

What are good afsc's for electrical engineers applying for a commission through ots?

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>>31356707
I'm a 40 year oldfag who was lucky enough to have a set of Encyclopedia Britannica Great Books at home as a child, where I first was exposed to Aristotle's Republic and other great works of Western Literature.

The flame of learning was lit in me early and never stopped burning. I have a lifetime of studying history, economics, sociology, psychology, literature, politics, and many other topics. Plus 20 years as a business owner. So there are no shortcuts to being able to read between the bullshit.

A good place to start though if you are late to the game is hedgeless horseman's revolutionary call to arms. He says read Bastiat's The Law and some other things like learn your logical fallacies. But mainly, start questioning everything and thinking critically. Some good economic info can be found on zerohedge.com, and believe it or not there are some smart people and truth to be found on /pol/ if you can wade through all the vitriol.

The bottom line is nothing is going to change for the better until there is a massive awakening on behalf of a much greater number of Americans, and there are no shortcuts nor universal truths. It's going to take work to find the truth, including being very honest with yourself and even recognizing your own biases (the whopper of which is the American exceptionalism mythology of course).

The good news is that we are currently witnessing a massive awakening, especially on the internet, because TPTB can no longer control the conversation because the internet flips the traditional top->down, producer-> consumer media consumption model on it's head. On the internet, everyone can potentially be a producer of content. Which can be good and bad. So you will need to really educate yourself and think critically to find the truth. But it is out there if you are actually interested in finding it.

Godspeed, Anon.

>>31356707
Sure, plenty. Which claim, specifically?

>>31347769
Thanks senpai. I'm talking to my insurance company tomorrow to give a statement

>>31352238
Gotcha. Training was kind of inconsistent, but in the two weeks leading up to the pft here's what I did:

Pull ups: 6 or 7 reps at a time, aiming for 200 rep total.
Crunches: 100 reps ASAP.
Running: 10 second Sprint 10 times, 4 mile run at 6 or 7mph.

I then gave myself 3 days to fully recover/hydrate/carbo load.

>>31357228
I have zero respect for someone who hides behind the title of intellectual to disparage those who wish to fight and serve in battle. You say we fight for bankers? So what? If you or they think imparting onto us the skills and knowhow to wage war would not benefit we the people who sign up more in the long run, then it is clear that you've lost touch with reality to such an extent that perhaps your ignorance is irreversible, to our benefit. While you stagnate and rot in your impenetrable academic fog, we will be acquiring the skills, connections, and experience conducive to the maintenance of our own liberties.

Unlike you, when we're 40, instead of being lonely misers shit posting on 4chan, we'll just be getting laid and making a decent living while raising children. Enjoy genetic obsolescence, faggot.

>>31356763

East, I've mostly had weird billets.

>>31357568
Word, i was at 32nd streeet san diego and loved it. Did 2 deployements out of there. How many youve done?

>>31355766
I'm not arguing the fact that tribesman are allying with the ANA to defend their homes. I imagine they would ally with whoever they thought will win, which means currently US backed ANA, at different times in history it may have been the Russians, for others it may be the Taliban, even presently. I don't think the locals care one whit for the larger picture power games of the foreign powers, they just don't want their crops/homes destroyed, family killed, etc...

> trillion dollar campaign
I don't think you understand how fiat currencies work, it costs them nothing. It's our children and grandchildren who will be paying for that shit forever at this rate, well that is if they are stupid enough to work at a "job" where federal income taxes are taken out of their paycheck every week.

>>31357624

1 to Afghan, 0 sea time. How is SD? I've never been.

Second part of >>31357637 was for
>>31355963

>>31357648
Wait, youve never even been to sea? Wtf? And even still youve only deployed once in 7 years?

>>31357732

YN, man. Don't know what to tell you, lol.

>>31354506
I never considered that before. Where should I start if I'm gonna go for it this spring? I've been running 4-5 times a week since early August, for 15 minutes. Like I said before, I'm trying to gauge how close I can get to the qualification time.

>>31345976

I only got $8,000 and I enlisted as the exact same thing as you.

I ship October 17th, you?

>>31357006
ee-major here too,

you wanna look into joining as a special forces seal team marine recon raider

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>>31357905
Yo how are you guys getting bonuses, i thought the army suspended the bonus program? Or was that just re-up bonuses?
Also whyd they give you 8 grand? Early shipment?

>>31357855
>Where should I start if I'm gonna go for it this spring?
Pic

>>31357768
Must be nice having it so damn easy

>>31345517
>Madame President Edition

Eat a dick hippy

>>31354357
Haven't seen the movie, but am a fire controlman in the navy. Officers don't fire any shipboard weapons. Most don't even qualify on small arms, nor do they stand armed watches.

>>31354357
>I always thought officers actually do the firing of shit from the computers.
Completely wrong, officers dont do anything.

>>31358244
>nor do they stand armed watches.
Yes they do, officers stand OOD in port which cares a 9mm. Come topside sometime snipe.

>>31358311
On my ship OOD is not armed, only POOW

>>31358035

My contract said something along the lines of being a seasonal bonus for going to OSUT over the winter. I'll take a guess and assume that has something to do with most recruits going in the spring and summer.

>>31358311
Also I literally wrote in my post that I'm an FC and you just called me a snipe, fucking booter

>>31358035
Army suspended reup bonuses, not enlistment bonuses.

Also reup bonuses are coming back next month.

I'm in my sophomore year of college and im completing the 5 year route for mechanical engineering. I have insomnia so only sleep for around 4-5 hours a night. Would the Navy be a good choice for after college?

>>31355578
Stop weed anyways i stopped about 5 months ago and ive never felt better

>>31358386
You can get a better job with an engineering degree

>>31358431
I hate being broke and no guns right now. I know it's temporary but i honestly just want to start doing stuff with my life.

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>>31358333
Wtf for real? What kind of ship are you on?
Thats so bizarre cause not only was out OOD carrying a 9 but POOW also had a shotgun. Plus rover of course with a 9 and m4.

>>31358336
Wtf thats fucking amazing. A free 8 grand for basically no damn reason, good for you. Did you even know about it, as in did you plan out to go now to get the money or was it a pleasant surprise?

>>31358353
I know shithead im no booter i just mis read it, calm your non deployment ass down.
What type of FC are you?

>>31358382
>Also reup bonuses are coming back next month.
Right, i heard it was just until the new fiscal year which makes sense.

You have any insight into what other enlistment bonuses are going around right now? Aything relating to 18x?

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>>31355181
>>31354994

>What exactly does a 91A/Army ordnance Officer do on the daily?

Same as every other officer. Paperwork and meetings.

>Do they ever get the chance to go outside the wire if deployed?

No

>Can ordnance officer's go to ranger bat or special forces selection?

No matter what your branch is, after one year you will start getting emails for special operation opportunities. Any junior officer can apply as long as they meet the requirements.

>Is Ordnance or any of the other logistics branches competitive at OCS?

Will always 100% depend on the cycle. How many slots for each branch are open, how many females there, if there are others that specifically want Ordinance, how competitive you are on the OML.

>>31358527
DDG. And we never issue shotguns. In 2 years on this ship I've seen a shotgun issued to the quarterdeck watch once

>>31358527
I'm a 5" FC and I just got back from a deployment to the Gulf

>>31358738
Where are you homeported?
If they dont do shotties anymore plus no 9mm on the OOD they must be at a reduced FPCON or whatever now. I was in SD and it was like that for years.

>>31358753
>5" FC
Word, i used to bullshit with those guys all the time in CiC. Our chart table was like 2 feet from the 5inch consoles. They used to make a GM stand watch at em 24/4 underway cause we had the flir camera upgrade and for some reason they felt only a GM could use a joystick to look around at night. The gms were so pissed, theyd just lay there and like once a hour swivel over to a fishing boat then go back to sleep.
What kinda ship you on?
Is this gulf as shitty as they say, luckly i never went.

>>31358830
I'm this guy >>31358738

You must be an OS? Yeaaaahhh, unfortunately, I get the pleasure of standing watch on the guns/optical sight console which is manned 24/7. At least we are in 4 section, but it would be nice if the GMs would help out. My COC doesn't really care if they stand watch or not so only the 5" FC's stand watch on that console. It's bullshit though, I joined to shoot large caliber weapons, not stand watch as a fucking lookout.

>>31358830
Sorry missed the first question. We're homeported in Norfolk. FPCON Bravo. Without going into too much detail we load out heavy on the ECP and depending on what ships are on the pier we may or may not have a topside rover with an M16.

>>31358947
>OS
Yes, OS2SW im out now.

They dont let the Gms share the watch with you guys?

>>31358968
>Norfolk
Ive heard norfolk is gay as fuck. That true? They say the base is super strict and the surrounding area sucks.

I cant believe its so relaxed that you might not even have a rover. They were so damn anal about this stuff in SD. We literally never stood down the rover in the 4 years i was there. There couldve been 4 ships on the peer with a LHD as well it wouldnt have made 1 bit of difference.

>>31358830
Damn I'm drunk. The gulf is absolutely shit. We did hit a couple good ports but that was only on the way in and the way out. IIRC, it went like this; Italy, Slovenia, Bahrain, Bahrain, Dubai, Bahrain, Bahrain, Bahrain, Cyprus. Bretty gay but at least we made that tax free money. I got shitty every port visit and still came back with over 10 grand which I immediately spent on funs, ammo, and a new dope ass computer set up.

What are some good desk jobs in the Air Force? I was thinking Contracting would be good, and Personnelist might be alright, but I don't know what else to look at.

>>31359000
>They dont let the Gms share the watch with you guys?
Nope, like I said my COC doesn't really care if the 5" GM's stand watch or not. They only have to stand watch in the gun mount itself if we are at weapons posture 2 or higher I believe.

>Ive heard norfolk is gay as fuck. That true? They say the base is super strict and the surrounding area sucks.
I never lived on base, I'm married, so I don't really know. The area actually has a lot to do if you're the adventurous type because of the beach, clubs, and malls, not to mention the entire area is a consumerist shitfest because the city only exists because .mil spends their paychecks around it. Most people's complaints that I would agree with are mainly that the traffic sucks ass, which it legitimately does. The entire Hampton Roads area is just constantly shitted up with cars on the roads.

>>31359001
>Damn I'm drunk
What you drinkin nig?

>bahrain
Jesus that sucks, my budy was on a minesweeper and was stationed there. He said it was ass and the russian hookers were like 100$. The local sand ones were way cheaper but who the hell wants that.

>10 grand

I hear that, my 2nd deployement i had just started getting payed for E-5 right before we left and i saved a shit load of dough over those 7 months.

>>31359054
Interesting, San Diego is god tier, id recommend you hop coasts if you want a change of scenery. Again i think maybe its all bases but ya traffic is horrible there too. I rememebr they were talking about opening more gates and building parking garages when i left in 14 but who knows if that shit ever happened.

if i got out of the marines and joined the reserves from another branch, can I go re-enlist back into the marines after the 3 years?

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>>31359090
>What you drinkin nig?
Pic related and also a mixture of wine and vodka. I might have a problem

In Bahrain it was the Phillipino hookers that were rampant. Going price was 40BD. They are aggressive in the bars around there. 40BD baby, me fuck you long time

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>>31359119
What kinda scheme you runnin?

>>31359136
>I might have a problem
Please. when i was still 20 in the palmer hall SD my bloow consisted of vodka and monster 24/7. I was cranking and wed get drunk everyday after work then wake up at 4 and slam a monster and start cranking. It was a savage 5 months and probably fucked my liver or brain or something.

> Phillipino hookers
Bro i know all about that, i been to both Subic Bay and Manilla PI. Manilla was off the fucking chain. Cock fights, midget boxing, whores galore, people selling tazers on the street. It was wild as hell and crazy fun.

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>>31359189
Cranking was a good time. I worked the Chief's mess and still enjoy the benefits from working hard for them to this day. Was in port for most of it so I got off at like 1400 every day. Used to come home, get slammered and wake up at 4am to do it all over again. Best part was that you knew exactly what was expected of you every single day, and as long as you delivered nobody really bothered you. Cut up some fruit and salad and shit, take the Chief's meal orders if it was breakfast or burger day, clean up and go home.

Bonus pic, deployment money well spent.

>>31358527

Pleasant surprise. Originally I was going to go for 18X (couldn't because of bad credit, I can drop a packet in a few years though) and that came with the same bonus. My recruiter and later the MEPS counselor mentioned it to me but I had no idea it was attached before they told me about it.

> You have any insight into what other enlistment bonuses are going around right now? Aything relating to 18x?

I didn't hear of any extra bonuses for 18X other than the one that also applies to 11X, which like I said is related to shipping mid-fall.

>>31359244
Nice, i remember i was in the mess for a while but they roatated me out. I was cranking during and up to INSURV. We had very little free time. The entire crew only had saturday off, we all came in on sundays at 1200 and would get underway early monday at like 5. It was like that for weeks and the time before and after that wasnt much better. Even so cranking was a blast, there were a total of 10 red shirt crew cranks and all of em were cool as hell. We just got along so good and goofed off while working so it made it tolerable.

>>31359323
>couldn't because of bad credit
Does this mean you couldnt get the sscret clearance?
How bad is bad?

Interesting thx for the info.

>>31359339
I did it through an INSURV as well. For about a month there we didn't get out until 1800, but being in the Chief's mess, I at least never had to come in on the weekends. Not standing duty was a blessing. It was more positive than negative, which is why I didn't mention it. Definitely made a lot of friends in other departments also while I was doing it, and we all still help each other out when we need it. People complain about cranking, but it is pretty legit when you look back on it and when you get to interact with the guys you met later on after you're done.

>>31359363

At the moment, yeah, but I'm going to use my bonus to pay off a large majority of my student loan and then gradually pay off the rest. It won't be an issue when/if I drop a packet. From what the Security Clearance interviewer told me they won't accept anything over $10,000 and they'll be hesitant/iffy to clear anything over $8,000.

No problem man.

I'm a trying to pilot right now if anyone has any questions about army flight school.

>>31359439
Nobody has any questions for you, boot fuck

Do something and then we'll talk

>>31359472
no one in the army uses the term boot. and I'm a warrant officer with a previous enlisted life.

Just graduated from infantry osut today, any fags from A CO 2-19 in here, I know you nerds get on here. Also ask questions

>>31359372
>People complain about cranking, but it is pretty legit when you look back on it and when you get to interact with the guys you met later on after you're done.
100% percent agree, i made tons of friends out of my division. Those connections helped out later on.

>>31359429
Interesting, you actually got interviews for only a secret? Is it cause it was an issue thats why? Cause when i got a secret for the navy i didnt get spoken to at all. Also, how much info did you get regarding an 18x contract? Another anon who got an option 40 was saying there were a shit load of open contracts for 18x and they were basically giving them away.

Anyone in here enlisted with a missing testicle?
IIRC that can be a problem, but I don't know if they meant being born missing one or having it surgically removed.
Other than that, I just need to lose weight before I can hopefully get on the track to smacking IEDs with robots and shit.

>>31359542
if you struggle to maintain a healthy weight now the military will always be a struggle for you especially EOD if you actually make it, which you won't, sorry. they are all fat fucks eating pizza because of the whole getting blown up part.

>>31359566
I've been fat most of my life, but I've always eaten like shit and I'm attempting to change that.
At least most deaths from explosive would probably be quick, but thanks to all the safety equipment the death rate is still pretty fucking low.

>>31359522

> Interesting, you actually got interviews for only a secret?

Only one at MEPS. I didn't go through the whole process, but it seemed to basically be a more in-depth version of the background check they do on everyone.

> Also, how much info did you get regarding an 18x contract?

I did the research for it on my own since my recruiters didn't have any personal experience with SF.

> Another anon who got an option 40 was saying there were a shit load of open contracts for 18x and they were basically giving them away.

Pretty much, I heard of some guys at MEPS that wanted to go infantry but didn't have any open slots so they opted for 18X. My recruiter casually asked if I wanted to go 18X, I hadn't brought up anything about it prior to then, as originally I was going to go vanilla infantry before switching to 18X before having to switch back and finally enlisting.

>>31359522
The thing about 18x is true, don't even think about fucking opt 40. Ranger batt is at 130% capacity right now sooo yeah

>>31359613
>that wanted to go infantry but didn't have any open slots so they opted for 18X
Thats fucking insane
>My recruiter casually asked if I wanted to go 18X
So is this wtf is going on
>>31359615
Wow


You 2 here me out cause this is blowing my mind, why is it so damn easy to ge that contract? I figured itd be tough as hell and youd have to be a PT stud but that same optino 40 guy said they didnt even test him ohysically they just handed him the contract. Is 18x the same way? I figured youd have to blow an APFT out of the water to even be considered but you guys make it seem like they are just giving it to every half retarded fat ass coming off the street. No offense of course. Can i ask >>31359613 are you in amazing shape thats why he offered it to you?

Also i already know all about how 18x is a funneling program to get dropouts into shtty MOSs, the navy has the seal contract the same way to send people undes, but at elast with the navy one you actually have to take a seal PST to get it, yet it seems like the army is giving 18x to literally anyone without a fuss.

>>31358200
Stupid fucking drumpfkin retard piece of shit, kill yourself fucking retard

>>31359666

You looking at it all wrong. Getting an 18X contract is pretty easy, it's actually one of the only contracts available to prior service. It's pretty much open to anyone with a 110 GT score that wants to give it a shot.

Getting the contract means nothing. They can just meatgrinder people into the pipeline all day and the ones who make it through will actually be Special Forces. For everyone else, the Army is just getting a cheap "open" contract where they can put you wherever they want if/when you fail out of the SF pipeline.

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>>31359756
>it's actually one of the only contracts available to prior service
Thats what ive heard and thats exactly why im so interested in it. Can you elaborate on this anymore in any way? Im the OS2 from the above posts and i hate school and want to get that contract and people have been telling me it is open to me thats why im so amazed that they are just handing it out. I already know im quailified cause i got a perfect RE-1, no medical or debt or law trouble of any kind. Just figured theyd give me a hard time getting the contract jsut cause the military is difficult like that.

>For everyone else, the Army is just getting a cheap "open" contract where they can put you wherever they want if/when you fail out of the SF pipeline.
Ya thats true, like i said the seal one is the same way but they at least make it difficult to do with the seal pst and all that. And like 80% of people still fail out even then so idk if it even matters.

>>31359666

> Thats fucking insane

Worst case scenario (other than a career-ending injury of course) for them is they end up in the 82nd as infantry. Why the hell not?

> So is this wtf is going on

Pretty much. I would guess either SF is expanding or regular infantry battalions are being shuttered, probably a little of both.

> Can i ask >>31359613 (You) are you in amazing shape thats why he offered it to you?

No I'm in just in decent shape; I did get a good AFQT score though so I think that had something to do with it.


As far as I can tell the only MOSs available were some logistics, field artillery, CBRN...and 18X.

>>31359820
>Why the hell not?
Oh i agree 100% im referring to how easily they are giving it out. Like i keep saying in my mind i built up this contract to where it would be insanely difficult to get but it turns out its the exact opposite. I realize passing is a whole other story.

>AFQT score
So did you take one at the recruiters office or how exactly did that work?

>MOSs available were some logistics, field artillery, CBRN...and 18X
Awesome, 18x it is. Gonna wait till like mid October when the new fiscal kicks in and go see whats what.

>>31359820
>Worst case scenario (other than a career-ending injury of course) for them is they end up in the 82nd as infantry

This is bullshit. 82nd is one place you can end up, but not all 18X drops even get infantry, let alone an airborne infantry unit.

>>31359865

> Oh i agree 100% im referring to how easily they are giving it out. Like i keep saying in my mind i built up this contract to where it would be insanely difficult to get but it turns out its the exact opposite

Nope, they're giving them out like hotcakes, although I'm not sure what the situation will be like when the new fiscal year starts.

> So did you take one at the recruiters office or how exactly did that work?

I took the online ASVAB at home, went down to MEPS to take the verification test, and ended up having to take the real thing again.

> Awesome, 18x it is. Gonna wait till like mid October when the new fiscal kicks in and go see whats what.

Go for it man, shouldn't be an issue at all, especially if you go in there knowing what you want.

> This is bullshit. 82nd is one place you can end up, but not all 18X drops even get infantry, let alone an airborne infantry unit.

I wasn't aware of that, based on what I'd been told all the dropouts were assigned to an infantry unit considering they'd have already finished their AIT by then.

Good to know the big green weenie starts early.

>>31359966

>I wasn't aware of that, based on what I'd been told all the dropouts were assigned to an infantry unit considering they'd have already finished their AIT by then.

18X drops are assigned "needs of the Army". That's usually infantry when the Army needs infantry (because cheap). In times when the Army is trying to get rid of tons of infantry (like now), 18X are assigned to whatever else is necessary.

>>31359993
88M it is

>>31359966
>I took the online ASVAB at home
Ive heard about that, is that that new PICAT thing?
What was your overall score? When i took it years ago i got a 95 but i cant remember my line scores.

>Go for it man, shouldn't be an issue at all, especially if you go in there knowing what you want.
Appreciate it man.

>>31360030

> Ive heard about that, is that that new PICAT thing?

Yes, pretty comfy actually since you get something like a three-day window to start and have 12 hours to finish once you do. After that they usually make you come in and take the verification test the day before you get your full physical. Didn't have to take the TAPAS though.

I got a 98 AFQT, 143 GT

> 18X drops are assigned "needs of the Army". That's usually infantry when the Army needs infantry (because cheap). In times when the Army is trying to get rid of tons of infantry (like now), 18X are assigned to whatever else is necessary.

Gotcha.

>>31360090
>I got a 98 AFQT, 143 GT
Thats interesting cause im figured with that high of a score theyd force you into some "brainy" type MOS. I know in the navy if you score above a 85 on the asvab the recruiters basically give you no choice and try and force you to go NUKE no matter what.

>TAPAS
What the hell is the deal with that? Ive heard it mentioned but have no idea who it applies to.

>>31360152

> Thats interesting cause im figured with that high of a score theyd force you into some "brainy" type MOS. I know in the navy if you score above a 85 on the asvab the recruiters basically give you no choice and try and force you to go NUKE no matter what.

Being partially color-blind and having the aforementioned bad credit prevented me from enlisting in lot of the MI jobs I was looking into. I've always wanted to do something combat arms-related anyway so I'm not too disappointed.

> hat the hell is the deal with that? Ive heard it mentioned but have no idea who it applies to.

Basically a personality inventory that makes sure you aren't a psycho and/or a lazy derelict. It'll give you two sets of statements like:

"I enjoy going out with friends"

or

"I prefer spending time by myself"

And you have to choose which one describes you more accurately (or at least which one is 'least inaccurate' on some of them). I took it a few years ago when I tried to enlist right out of high school when they were starting to roll it out.

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>>31360258
>I took it a few years ago when I tried to enlist right out of high school when they were starting to roll it out.
But is it mandatory now or is it still a case by case basis or something?

>>31360258
>so I'm not too disappointed.
Im not worried about that im worried that if i take the PICAT and score high they will cock block me and give me shit about going 18x instead of 35 series or something. But considering that im prior service maybe that will clear the path to 18x for me.

>>31358035
Thanks a ton, I'll make sure to do this.

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>>31360398
Np nig, part 2

>>31358527
I ship next month as a 25s and got a 25k enlistment bonus

>>31352015
>tfw I'm in the exact same boat but said yes
Muhreens told me they couldn't find anything, I'm seriously considering dropping it and trying to lie my way into the AF/Navy.

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What are consistently the most competitive branches at army OCS?

>>31361256
Cyber

>>31360817
When did you enlist?

>>31362055
About a month ago

>>31360291

Depends on your MOS but you'll probably have to take it.


I doubt they would but I suppose it depends on your recruiters. I don't think any of the 35 series MOS are hurting for people at the moment. If for whatever reason they try to steer you away you could try to play hardball with them or find a new recruiter.

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How hard is it to run a prostitution operation in the military?

We all know enlisted chicks are broke as fuck and eager to please.

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>mfw shin splints

I really need to improve my cardio but cant run without risking a stress fracture. Any ideas?

>Don't have access to a pool or any machines

>>31362705
You can pick up a thrift store bicycle for $50 or so.

What's the maximum height for enlistment?

Everything I find online seems to point to 80 inches, but I'm 78 inches tall and my recruiter (uscg) told me that 78 was the new cutoff so I needed to hunch and bend my knees when measured at meps.

>>31345517
What's the weather like in Missouri this time of year? Is it cold? Not used to it since I have lived In SoCal. I ship in a couple of days

>>31348576
hey veteran here.

if you actually think shillery will be good for you, just go ahead and stay the fuck out of the armed forces. i dont trust people like you with a rifle.

>>31362705
Sometimes it's the shoes you wear. Not for all cases but for a good portion. If you get actual running tennis shoes not that Sporty look bullshit at Finish Line or Foot Locker but a REAL shoe you can run better.

Also, it could be your running form.

>>31351461

if you guys are trying to lose weight, i lost 65lbs in 3mo.

>swimming
>biking (23mi daily, dont be a bitchboi)
>diet was vegies,apples,98% lean beef,eggs,nuts and berries.


>do not consume
>bread or breaded items
>soda of any kind
>protein shakes (youre trying to be small not bulk)
>candy of any kind
>sugar is to be avoided
>dont load up on starch like potatoes
>lay off the salt

>ACTUALLY GO OUTSIDE AWAY FROM YOUR COMPUTER

im out now, im living the good life going to school, getting paid to go to school.

>>31363224
I don't know much about shoes and which ones are best suited for running and which brand has the best quality, anytime I ask I get surprisingly different answers from people.

And it's possible it might be my running form, but I am also 6"5' so given that exercise is relatively new to me it might just be my really long legs and lower muscle/bone density that's causing me a lot of issues. Couldn't say for sure though given I am not that familiar with the subject.

>>31363229
What's wrong with bread?

>>31363311
Most bread has shit for nutrition, doesn't satiate you at all, and your body will immediately turn it into glucose and store it unless you're running it off ASAP.

>>31352888
There are separate tests for each dialect.

>>31354994
>>31355181
Ordnance is fairly competitive just because they are the smallest part of logistics.

Here's what you need to know about logistics: Transportation, ordnance, and quartermaster only exist from 2LT to CPT. Once you become a CPT, your MOS will change to generic logistics. You have a specialized background, but you're expected to be able to lead any kind of logistics organization. Your assignments will be the same as any other kind of logistics officer.

>>31361256
There's no such thing. Each class gets different slots so you can't even compete for a certain branch because it's not even available.

Generally speaking, all of the branches that don't need many LTs (finance, MI, AG, signal, etc) are very difficult to get.

After that it's just luck of the draw. My class had exactly 0 slots for any combat arms branch whatsoever, except for those prior service who were guaranteed to retain their old branch. Something like 1/3rd of the class got transportation.

>>31363635
How common are 12A slots?

>>31363635
How common is that for there not to be any combat arms MOSs available at all?? That can't be common can it?

>>31364262
This. answer this. Also what are the most competitive combat arms MOSs?

Enlisted as CBRN in the Marines, any tips or general info I should know?

>>31364262
You have to remember that Army OCS fills the 'leftovers' following USMA and ROTC. OCS is used when the Army needs to produce officers fast and cheap... that's why they've reduced from 6 OCS companies in 2008 to just 1 now.

12A is going to be in the top 5-ish hardest to get.


>>31364407
Not sure. I don't think that results are published anywhere so all I have is anecdotes from officers.

It might be slightly easier now because fewer people are joining with dreams of hooah bling on their uniforms from their combat deployments.


>>31364422
11A and 12A are the hardest to get for combat arms. 13 and 14 are less popular. 19 somewhere in between.

>>31359751
That hilshill is broken, guys, please bring me next one

>>31364531
you seem super pessimistic about OCS. I hope its better than you say.

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I'm 18 and a NEET. I just graduated high school.

I didn't want to go to college and I was planning on joining the Air Force, but everyone is telling me that I should probably go to college and that the military is for stupid people with nothing going for them.

I got into a few decent colleges but I really didn't want to go at all, I hated the idea of it completely, but now I think that I should probably go to college. The only thing is though, I have no clue what I want to major in, what school I want to go to, etc.

What do I do?

>>31364753
I'm an OCS graduate.

I talk about it the way that I do because many people on this board are joining because there is one specific thing that they want to do. For that type of person, OCS is a bad idea. If you, for example, have dreams of being an infantry officer, and would hate it if you got anything else, then OCS is the absolute worst decision that you could make.

>>31364915
Anything anon, nothing is perfect. That's why life is what you make it.

>>31364915
medicine or pharmacy

>>31364915
Air force is for smart dumb people

>>31348576
Kek, Thanks for correcting the record.

>>31364915
If you go to college when you don't really want it/to, then things will not go well for you. At least that's what happened to me.

>>31364993
This is a phrase used exclusively by dumb people.

And enlisted personnel aren't qualified to say who is "smart" or "dumb".

>>31365020
Neither is the officer with the liberal arts degree

>>31364931
i just want a combat arms branch. And would maybe consider MI (though that is super competitive). I can max the PT test and have a Master's degree from a top university and have a high GPA. Do you think that that there is a decent shot that if I go to OCS and perform well that I could at least land SOME combat arms branch?

>>31365125
First, your degree and your GPA don't matter at all. A dude with a phys ed degree from heavy things university will get the top spot over you.

Second, what branches are available is random based upon which branches have open seats available in upcoming schools. You could be #1 on the OML in your class and still not be able to get a combat arms slot.


MI needs practically 0 LTs. That branch is all CPT and up. Your chance of getting an MI slot out of OCS is basically 0.


If you go to OCS, you have to be willing to end up a personnel or logistics officer because there is a good chance that will happen.

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>>31364915
Join the fucking air force. They will give you a salary and give you college/training for absolutely free as long as you score well enoguh on the ASVAB for whatever you want to do.

Military in the US is probably one of the best financial decisions you could do in your youth.

Fuck all those retards who are talking you out of enlistment. Join the Air Force, get a technical job that will teach you a good trade, and even if you end up not enjoying it too much you still have something to fall back on if you are unsuccessful in the private sector.

Also you get a nice salary considering all your necessities are paid for. Just don't be like most retards and put a portion of your check into your savings for when you're finally out.

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>>31365210
Okay, thank you for the reply.

How does it work exactly? After I take my ASVAB do they give me a set of jobs to pick? What kind of job would be good and have civilian application?

Also, should I go to college after the military and get a degree there? They pay for it don't they? I don't really know how any of this shit works.

>>31365270
The only crucial parts of the ASVAB are the Math and English sections. Everything else is purely there just to test your familiarity with certain scientific/technical skills (Such as automotive, Electronics, etc) and they will give you a list of jobs you can chose from based on how you scored.

So if you're good with computers, chances are you will have a lot of opportunities to do lots of networking/analyst jobs. As far as whats good for a civilian application is up to you and your given circumstances. Just use your best judgement on which jobs will give you best certifications and experience for whatever field or specialization you're going for.

You can go for a degree after the military if you desire, however higher level education jobs have become more and more competitive with all the kids flooding into colleges in the past decade. It might be worth it just to stick with a technical skill, but ultimately the decision is up to you. Just do some job market research

>>31365125
Reminder that combat arms officers still ride desks. You're not going to be some kind of warrior poet with your degree, you just have to get shit on when dumbass Joe gets a DUI.

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What is the process like for going from a Surface Warfare Officer to a SEAL officer? How much time does one do as a SWO before they can go to BUDs?

>>31345517
Shouldn't those people be more afraid of the sniper fire?

Is it worth it to enlist in the Army these days? I feel like i would have a chance to actually see combat as i can speak and write arabic. That is if i can go in with an 18x and complete the pipeline. Or should i applyt to the local LEO that i intend on after leaving the army?

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When I was 15 I punched a mirror and my mom called the cops. I was taken to a hospital (wasn't in cuffs or anything) and the hospital took my name down but not the police. I don't have a criminal record.

I also was on antidepressants for a few years, from 15 to 18.

I'm 20 now. Do I just lie my way in? I know being depressed is an automatic DQ practically. Will they find out if I have no criminal record?

Hey, dudes. I've got an officer question.

I'm 28. Went to a good college. I'm rich with no real debt (I have a car that could pay off but have the loan to build this thing people call "credit"). I've only had a speeding ticket and a failure to stop at a sign ticket. I'm married.

I don't do much because I'm rich and don't really have to do much except enjoy life and take care of my family. Still, I'm tired of wasting myself because I'm hyperintelligent and have always wanted to join. This is irrelevant, but my father was in the Navy. His brother was a Naval aviator. Their father was in WWI. Other grandfather was in the Navy during WWII.

Ideally, I'd like to join the Navy Reserve as an intelligence officer. Formerly worked as a journalist, which I've been told lends well to what I want to do, but was pretty disillusioned by the whole fake-ass direction of that industry.

0331 sgt who served in Iraq and Navy cryptologist buddies have told me I'd be exemplary and should go for it. I'm worried that my age will disqualify me and that recruiters will just take prior enlisted analysts over me any day of the week.

Should I not even try?

thinking about joining the army and going airborne after my last year of highschool (yes im 18) , what are your thoughts on this

>>31345976
What the actual fuck, howd you get a bonus as 11X

>>31366869

If you feel like you're wasting your life then being in the Navy part-time probably isn't going to help. The only difference is you will get kicked out in disgrace when you act like a rich person and do a bunch of cocaine.

See: Biden's son.

>>31366749
Your chances of making it through the pipeline as an 18X are extremely low, most guys who get selected and make it through the q course are experienced guys coming from other units. Not much happening for deployments rn for the rest of the army either so I wouldn't recommend it

>>31366869
If you really want to serve, do it.

You are not too old. Just please stop thinking you are "hyperintelligent." Nobody gives a fuck what you think you are.

And fuck the Navy. Go Marines. Do one tour. (honorably discharged Army anon who foolishly re-up'd)

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>>31366785
please respond

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>>31366869
>disillusioned by the whole fake-ass direction of that industry.
>wants to join the navy

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I ship out to Air Force BMT October 18th.

Any chance any of you fags will be there with me?

>>31367340
Yeah man just literally don't tell them anything.

>>31366869
Literally why wouldn't you try
Just speak to a fucking recruiter and find out if they'll take you

You sound like you've got a crazy fucking superiority complex so you'll make a great officer.

>>31367259
god dangit...Alright

>>31367415

I wasn't trying to sound superior. Was just giving info to get an honest answer based on other examples I'd seen in this thread.

Hey /k/ I just graduated from high school with my EPA certification for HVAC. Would I be able to join the military and use my trade? What branch would I have the best odds of getting in with it?

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>>31367497
>hyperintelligent

>>31367497
I worked intel. It's a bunch of fucking loser nerds. Intel officers, if they aren't assigned to an admin shop (and consequently hate life), can do some cool shit. Much cooler than most enlisted. I gave you shit about the hyperintelligence remark because you'll soon find you are not the snowflake you think you are. Hubris will bite you in the ass. Just do your best.

>>31367503
Technically, you are overqualified. You'd be enlisted working a shit job at best. Any of the branches would take you, but it is unlikely you would get to use your actual trade skills (or they'd retrain you to their methods). Best choice would probably be Navy, as they're the only branch I can think of that has their own HVAC systems. Army live in styrofoam huts and tents downrange, Marines float with the Navy, and Air Force's HVAC talent pool is extremely limited. Ships and subs need dedicated vent systems. I served with a lot of Navy squids. They're crybabies, but the service has proud traditions. Good luck.

>>31367461
Not to shit on your dreams, if you truly want it don't let me discourage you, I just know alot of guys who preformed great at selection, made it to the end, and didn't get selected for lack of experience. They did get the opportunity to go to RASP afterwards tho

>>31367680
Thanks for the advice. But I don't see myself being in long just want free college.

Does Service through Citizenship require a Green Card/Permanent visa? Does anyone have experience with it?

>>31367823

You need to be a permanent resident alien (IE, green card) for most citizenship-via-military programs. MAVNI is an exception.

>>31367914
>MAVNI is an exception
Unfortunately I don't qualify for that, oh well. I figured it was a bit of a pipe dream

>>31367745
No i totally understand what you meant. I just thought that since i have language, life experience and that my parents are American citizens from jordan that i could be an asset to the Army and do all the cool guy stuff. But if SF and other SOF elements are not deploying then im not sure what I should do.

>>31366710
Best chance might be once you pin which can be around 18 months or so, usually less
There are boards that convene for lateral transfers every 6 months or so

>>31366869
Sure man, intel/IW/IP officers max age is 35 or so. Any one you'd be leaning towards?

come on lets bump this thread to oblivion, im tired of seeing that witch in the OP.

Post
>2 mile run stats
>your experience running (i.e. track n field in hs, or just started 2 months ago, etc)

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>>31368208
I'll start

>20 min 2-mile last week for the first time
>6 weeks C25K, no previous experience.

>>31368118
>>31366710
Is this a path a lot of SEAL officers take?

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>>31368208
>2mi run time with Army recruiter: 23:00
>2mi run time graduating BCT, 3mo later: 15:00
>2mi run time graduating AIT age 27: 13:00

You can do it anons. I hardly ever ran at all before serving. Before enlisting my training was basically going on long walks in the afternoon by myself. You will run your ass off. Learn to love it. Currently can't even run because got fat after separating, knees are shot and alcohol destroyed cardio.

If you want it, get it.

>>31353616
What is it like?

>>31369851
airborne infantry?

>>31369851
should i enlist /k/ommando. Here are my previous posts(>>31366749
, >>31368061 )
and i would like to hear your opinion/advice.

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Is the Air Force worth joining

>>31354305
I can see it
>had a E-7 with a boot waiver for being fat
White tenner shoes clash with our uniform it turns out

>>31354576
>am a chaplin
what now faggot?

>>31359010
No idea. I'm maintenance so all the desk jobs are Finance and Not Finance too me

>>31362700
red dot

new

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>>31361115
I'm just planning on moving in with my dad and applying for the Army again, but with reworded paperwork and a better idea of what they want.

I'm getting real good at applying to this shit, but I'm getting too fucking old to just enlist at this point.

Marine Corps Air wing is the gayest shit on earth, some one please get me out of this POG-ass unit.

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>>31373185
You know what to do

>>31366869
Join the Navy and become a pilot m8. It's what I'm doing, and I'm having the time of my life.

Does anyone know anything about joining the French foreign legion?