What is the best optic up to $1500 for a home defense+patrol

Acog ta31f with 45deg magpul pro offset iron sights and a sure fire 300 light.

>>31338093
Okay, but why versus other options?

Especially why the offset irons?

>>31338131
see, I disagree with him.
ta31f is an excellent optic. for soldiers, I don't think there's anything better out there, not in the $1000 price range.
home defense, optic doesn't matter much because lrn2point shoot, but bear in mind the further out your target is, the harder it is to justify self defense. that's personally why I use red dot. but if shtf, It'd be real nice to have that 4x. as for optics, fuck offsets. just have regular old buis underneath your rifle. off set buis are non ambidextrous. need to shoot offhand? get fucked. as for the light, I'd say the m300 like he suggested is a good choice, but if you're trying to save a buck, the g2x line is good

don't forget a sling, blue force gear is the "in" thing right now. very high quality stuff

T2 if you want 1x.
ACOG if you want fixed.
SS, Leupold, schmidtty bender, etc if you want variable.

Iron sights all the way, baby.

I can procure, identify, and fire a few times while some other opponent is trying to squint and bob for proper eye relief.

>>31338277
>just have regular old buis underneath your rifle.
can't use those with an optic unless you remove the optic

way i've always been told is that for patrolling you loctite -everything- attached to your rifle down so that there's no chance of having it get knocked off your gun

which makes having normal irons totally pointless with a 4x

>>31338489
>way i've always been told is that for patrolling you loctite -everything- attached to your rifle
That's fucking retarded.

>>31338489
no, you 550 cord everything attached to your gun. also it's 2016, buy a fucking qd mount. and you would never ever use the iron sights if your optic was working.

>>31338416
this is retarded

>>31338504
Namecalling is the lowest form of rebuttal.

>>31338525
>>31338489
>loctite -everything- attached to your rifle down so that there's no chance of having it get knocked off your gun
>no, you 550 cord everything attached to your gun.
Can someone show even a picture much less a link of either of these being done? I don't think I've heard of this before in /arg/ or ar15.com.

Optic-related question, is the Vortex SPARC II a good budget-tier red dot?

>>31338592
Yes. It's one of the best red dots on the market. If AR specific they have an AR dedicated dot now too which is the same basic thing with some tweaks.

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>>31338078

>patrol

What kind of patrol? In what kind of environment?

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>>31338489

>way i've always been told...

...by who? Seriously?

>>31338650
Southern MN so mixed hills and large tree clumps. Precipitation rather common esp snow and ice on the ground in winter.

Short patrol for local area protection in event of regional/national breakdown of law/order whether due to natural disaster (less likely given blizzards/tornadoes are our worst sorts), or manmade like riots (we have a lot of ISIS-sympathizing Somalis in MN and Minneapolis is a regular BLM protest site).

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>>31338584
here u go

>>31338705
So literally malitia tier fuddlore. Thanks!

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>>31338584
you do the same thing with nods on your helmet. that way if it gets knocked off the mount, you don't lose shit you signed for.

>>31338805
>malitia tier
No it's spelled "Mogadishu", Malta is in southern Europe and never did anything to anyone.

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>>31338078
if youve got 1000+ to spend on glass then u bes be buyin an ACOG bruh

ive got a TA31 on my AR and a TA33 w/rmr on my SCAR16 and theyre great really. pic related is my AR

>>31338806
>>31338795
thankings!

>>31338822
But how will you use that for OP's home defense stated need?

>>31338667
pl sgt

Since this seems to be turning into an ACOG thread:

I'm interested in picking up one of the green horseshoe ACOGs for my home defense gun but I'm a bit concerned about using it quickly at close quarters and about if the reticle will be bright enough in a dark house. Is it better to put a lens cap on the front or just practice the shit out of the BAC? Is parallax potentially going to fuck me over?

Sorry to not just pull the trigger and find out but
>$1000 is not chump change

>>31338805
That depends on if his local area is organized or not.

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>>31338830
It's not a long range optic but it def isnt designed for super close like that and I was somewhat worried about that in case the situation arised where i needed to use it for really close home defense and got an RMR to put on top. Sorry I can't really explain better. You could probably find an ACOG/rmr setup for 1500-1800$. If the primary use is short range home defense then I would recommend a aimpoint comp m2, t2, or even an eotech.

>>31338856
I have a green horseshoe and a green chevron and its been very visible for me in all situations. It glows pretty brightly. I liked it enough to buy another one. I would take a picture that would show you but I'm at work now.

>>31338968
>not offset mounting the RMR

bro do you even cheek weld

>>31338968
>It's not a long range optic but it def isnt designed for super close like that
A guy starts to wonder what the fucking point of it is then

Anyone here used the Trijicon Accupoint? How does it compare to the ACOG?

>>31338982
ive thought about that but i really don't think about the rmr being up there until shooting at something so close that i need it, which is very fuckin close

>>31339002
go play a fuckin video game or something and you can find out how its used im not your wet nurse... just trying to help here.

>>31339052
>ive thought about that but i really don't think about the rmr being up there until shooting at something so close that i need it, which is very fuckin close
have fun with your 'chin weld'

>>31339113
i will thanks

>>31339052
OR a guy could be using a superior 1-4x optic that does close quarters fine while also reaching out as far as the ACOG does.

>>31339143
like what? because there isnt one within OPs price range

>>31338489
If you have an absolute Cowitness mount, and your magnification includes "1-" then you can use your scope/reddot and front iron sight for anything under 100 yards.

As for the retards saying "Huhr I've never heard of loctiting my scope mount down" -- it's because those fuckers (/arg/) use their guns for nothing but throwing on the carpet and taking pictures or trying to get "Good Groupings!" in the 4 ring at the range.

>>31339179
SWFA SS, Trijicon Accupoint, Vortex Viper all come to mind.

>>31339179
Tac30 is only like $300 and it's an excellent 1-4x optic.

Have you ever done any shopping outside of a Call of Duty game?

Are there any LIGHT WEIGHT 1-4x optics with a true 1x (or really close to it) and a daylight bright red dot? Money no object but I can't find anything by googling for it.

>>31338416
Totally agree.

Keeping it with iron sights is underrated - there are definite uses for an ACOG or other sight, but if you are aware that your most likely potential battle zones are up close and personal, a mounted optic, however quality and expensive, may hinder rather than help. I have an AR with dedicated longer range optic, and I have one with only iron sights. I fully expect that in 80% or more of all potential uses, the iron sights will be what i choose.

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>>31339191
>Have you ever done any shopping outside of a Call of Duty game?
fukkin rekt

>>31339186
I am only familiar with the accupoint and I prefer the ACOG myself but you are technically right about optics in the price range for that application. I stand corrected.

>>31339191
no

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>>31339191
>done any shopping outside of COD?

Baha I'm gonna start saying that now. Thanks anon.

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>>31339233
>technically right
>only technically
Weak attempt to save face, 2/10

>>31339244
just trying to be nice since I'm not really familiar with those optics. wasn't trying to be a dickhead

>>31338078
>patrol

>>31339191
I thought shopping was in the Counter Strike Game.

>>31339280
Let an anon dream son

>>31339203
seconding this but $1000 limit

>>31338078
It's spendy and heavy but I really love my Razor HD II 1-6x.

It's quick and allows two eyes open aiming naturally at 1x with or without the dot activated, and at 6x it can be used for very precise fire. It's a versatile scope useful for shooting sports, small game hunting, home defense, armed protesting, and even those truckbed sniper attacks that they discussed in that one paper on a US insurgency.

>>31339183
>get QD mount for optic
>loctite it on so it can't come off
Yeah makes a lot of fucking sense jackass

>>31338078
>guard the local area if SHTF.
Jesus. You and your fantasies of operating are cringe.

>>31338078
Who be spending dat kinda cashola?

Crazy white bois you is

>>31339183
>As for the retards saying "Huhr I've never heard of loctiting my scope mount down"
The entire fucking point of a QD mount is that you can readily remove the optic if you need to so you can use BIOS you slackjawed prole.

>>31339203
define "lightweight" in ounces

>>31339575
>BIOS
Kek, thanks phone, legit made me laff.

>>31339552
>>31339575
>HUHR BUT I USE A QD MOUNT!!!
well guess what, shit-for-brains, that makes you a fucking exception, doesn't it?

and don't forget to re-zero your scopes, or, like I said, all you'll do at the range is get "good groups" in shitty locations on your target.

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>>31339620
>that makes you a fucking exception, doesn't it?
Wait, you din't use QD mounts? In 2016? Lol.
>and don't forget to re-zero your scopes
Lmao, this nigga doesn't even know the fucking point of these things, Jesus Christ.

>>31339552
>loctite your mount on
>"GUESS I SHOULD GET A QD MOUNT WITH IT THEN"

>>31339620
> re-zero your scopes
You think you just take off optics with QD mounts every time you head out to shoot or some shit? They're not quick detach just so you can make a separate space for them in your rifle case, you zero them in, leave them there, and then only ONLY take them off if the optic gets damaged and you need to use irons.

>>31339577
16 oz including mount. Quickdraw not required.
>because I'll loctite it down lolol

>>31339562
It really ain't that much cash when you own your own business and provide a service that pays $200/hr.
>inb4 "hurrr sexual services"

>>31339561
>implying the US doesn't have regular localized chimpenings triggered by earthquakes, hurricanes, and police
Better to tell a mob to swerve with your equally armed neighbors before they are standing in front of your homes.

>>31338489
>loctite everything
Wrong.

>>31338093
>magpul
Troy offset irons

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>>31339561
>Jesus. You and your fantasies of operating are cringe.

>>31338982
Bro do you even boreaxis?

>>31339720
>using anything Troy
>ever
don't fall for this

>>31339766
no thank goodness

>>31339635
>paying for oper8or mounts that you will never use as needed

>>31340049
>Being broke as fuck
Jesus, do you just settle for the $20 heaps with Torx heads?

>>31340121
no need
i have loctite

>>31339577
>>31339657
>>31339203
bump for this

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>>31339191
>Have you ever done any shopping outside of a Call of Duty game?

>>31339720
Yeah support the company who employs someone known to have murdered an innocent woman.

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>>31338584

>>31341254
neat

>>31341359
Thanks, I know its not an ACOG and Surefire, but I take care of what I've got regardless.

>>31338078
>What is the best optic up to $1500 for a home defense+patrol AR?
lasic or contacts.

>>31341558
Better than 20/20 eyes already son.

Are optics actually faster than just point shooting or indexing off the front sight at CQC ranges? Has anyone done any research on this?

Aimpoint micro

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>>31341930
research it yourself, get a shot timer and see what works for you

>>31339720
>Troy
fuck off

>>31338078
Aimpoint or ACOG and what ever light tickles your fancy.

I have a PRO on my "bump in the night" rifle and got about 2.5years out of the battery before it got weak. I plan to replace it every 2 years now. You wanting a little bigger area of operation should go with a magnifier or an ACOG.

>>31342004
What I find in any initial research might be a result of training inadequacies rather than useful biological data.

>>31342314
if you have training inadequacies then take some classes

>>31338078

>Home Defense
Any unmagnified red dot

>Patrol
You do not patrol and never will so still any unmagnified red dot

>>31342351
I will be. I want to be taking the classes with the same equipment I'll be using outside of class. Hence trying to find out what to buy beforehand. No use taking a class with an ACOG if I really want to be using a 1-4x variable.

>>31342460
For the uses you're talking about I'd go with a red dot. Hard to beat the Aimpoint as it's always on and ready to go. I have an H-1 that's been on setting 8 for 3 years now. I shoot it out to 200 (furthest my range goes) and hit the 10" steel plate all day long. Low power variables are great but I find them too heavy and not much of an advantage at distance since I'm not shooting for groups.

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>>31338078

>>31342397
see >>31339702 >>31339759
You never know when you might need some magnification in the future, it doesn't just let you pick out targets farther away, it also lets you properly identify people and their movements closer up (is that a gun or a stick in his hand, where is he moving to now) and reduces the effect of haze.

>>31342513
I can ring the 200yd gong with irons all day, likewise with a red dot, but it IS more fun to see what I'm aiming at.

>>31339203
Still hoping for an answer on this

>>31343911
bump

You dont need an optic.

>>31344905
You don't need a gun.

>>31345032
>world gets by for time eternal with iron sights
>suddenly they are a prerequisit

>>31345447
>world gets by for time eternal with blackpowder
>suddenly smokeless powder is a prerequisite

Is the poorman version of these ACOGS the Primary Arms ASC redical 3.5x and 5x fixed scopes?

Because I don't think I can ever get over the fact that I am dropping 1k on an optic...


Also, what are the standard fixed zooms we are talking about here for these ACOGs?

Also I sometimes see shorter ones and really long ones? What is the purpose of the longer models?

Does the horseshoe redical act as your quick target acquisition for CQC targets?

god damn there's some stupid shit in this thread.

red dot is good for HD, a 1-4 works fine if you practice.

Acog works but is not ideal for HD. 50-200 is ruled by ACOG and 1-4.

using irons when there's modern RDS available is fucking dumb, and i hope you get enriched.

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>meprolight tru dot RDS

someone tell me if this optic would get me killed

>>31339759
This guy was proven to be lying his ass of a while ago, fyi

Just get a spark2 and a magnifier and savery some cash

>>31345959
Ooh neat, I might get one of these.

>>31345974
Link?

>>31345816
Yes, that is the poorman version. Even more than with guns, you get what you pay for with glass. Instead of thinking "I'm dumb for dropping 1k on this scope" you really ought to be going "my kids will be happy to receive this as an heirloom when I pass on, because it is a quality item that will last". It's been a long road for me to realize that the joy of the cheap deal happens once, but the annoyance of its shoddier craftsmanship lasts as long as I use the item. Better to have a $1k optic (be it an ACOG or something else) that you appreciate and gives you great performance than a bunch of junk optics that you'll typically have to replace faster and that won't have as good of glass in them.

That said the PA micro red dot, while not having terribly great glass in it (I have one and compared it to a buddy's Aimpoint Micro H1... the glass was not nearly as clear as his was), did pass a fantastic battery of durability tests. Which means it can work just fine for a home defense rifle at spitting distances. But for glass that magnifies and enhances available light, I wouldn't cheap out.

Typical ACOGs are 3x, 3.5x, and 4x, with different field of view and eye relief for each of them. The 4x is fielded by the military. Here is a really well written comparison: www.firearmreviews.net/acog-comparison/

The glowing reticle is your quick aim spot at close range, the horseshoe being probably the best of those (but it is a lot of personal preference).

>>31345974
I'd like to read that, anon. I keep seeing a mention or two of it in threads where he is mentioned but nobody can ever cite the original proofs.

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>>31346079
sparc2 is good

>>31346247
>>31347085
Google.com
His story lines up with literally no one else's from the entire ordeal. It's pure fantasy

>>31347146
Funny you should mention that. I collect links to (alleged) firsthand experiences of SHTF. His seems to line up just fine with this:

>http://www.friends-partners.org/bosnia/surintro.html

>>31347178
Believe whatever you want autismo, I'm sure your giant pile of lighters will be great bartering tools some day

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>>31347221
>makes a claim
>provides no source
>"lol google it"
>provided a source that counters his claim
>resorts to namecalling

>>31346384
That's a good point.

>>31346384
>"my kids will be happy to receive this as an heirloom when I pass on, because it is a quality item that will last".
I guess you are planning to leave you iphone as an heirloom too. What a pleasant surprise to your children kek.

>>31338822
but dat eye relief sucks big ol donky dicks.

>>31349762
Yeah because well made glass goes obsolete in 3 years genius.

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>>31350697
>annon plans to die in 3 years

>>31352306
iphones are no good as heirlooms because in 3 years they're obsolete. An ACOG or similarly quality scope will last basically forever.

>>31338818
Nope. Anon is trying (and failing hilariously) to spell 'militia'.

>>31352750
Man we are taking about 50 years here give or take. I am pretty sure with progress of electronics your "dumb" scope after 50 years would look like compass in the age of GPS. Yes it still works but nobody drives car around using compass and paper map anymore.
>no multspectral vision and augmented reality? kek

>>31353115
>lol the nugget has no rails or detachable magazines? kek nobody will want to own one of those these days

>>31352865
I think the anon you quoted was just fucking with him

>>31353402
this desu