"I need to reload! How do I reload, Sgt Steiner!?"

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>>31329372
I literally just finished watching that movie.

>REGIMENTAL HEADQUARTERS, COME IN PLEASE

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>>31329372
DEMARCATION

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>Smoke clears
>See 5 of these

What do?

>>31329482
Would placing land mines on top of the tank's tracks like Steiner does really work?

>>31329669
SS assault teams carried magnetic anti tank mines if armor was expected.

Havent seen the film though, so I don't know what the scene in question looks like.

>>31329693
Imagine walking up to a moving tank and placing a land mind on the top of the movie treads. resulting in the mine being conveyor belted to the front and getting detonated.

>>31329768
>movie

Fucking rip I ment moving.

>>31329482
Grab satchel charges and throw them on their engine. Anything else I can do for babby?

>>31329768

The detonator on a mine is very simple. It wouldn't know to wait until the track moved it.

Also, the track probably wouldn't actually move it. The mine would most likely just fall off.

In the real world, we had these things called magnetic mines which you would run up and stick onto the side of the tank.

>>31329669
I don't see why it wouldn't work.

>>31329390
WHERE IS MY AIR SUPPORT!?

>>31329768
Well, the magnetic AT mines weren't technically mines in the typical sense, they were manually attached to the armor and manually activated, but they were magnetic to ensure it stayed on the tank or attached readily from any contact angle.

I can't see how the mine would do much damage to the tank if it even stayed attached, seeing that the direction of the blast is being redirected into the ground rather than straight up into the underside of the tank

>>31329693
Ah, but in the movie, a buttoned up T-34 pulls up next to a few Germans and they run up from a trench and shove a few land mines in between the tracks and the chassis. And then it moves and BOOM.

I guess they didn't have props for magnetic mines or Peckinpah thought it would be easier for the audience to understand using a regular landmine. Still I would think the tank might be immobilized before completely destroyed but maybe that part of the tank has no protection.

It happens in the middle of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqk1BjkaD4A

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>>31329819
Why did he have to go?

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>>31329840
If you can just ensure that the blast is at least directed towards the tank itself, you're probably good to slap a mine anywhere that fits that requirement. Top of the track with some I love Lucy action? I don't see it doing shit but making a hole in the ground when it impacts the earth.

Jammed somewhere in the suspension, facing the tank, yeah I could see that working out.

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>>31329390
B company can you hear me?

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>>31329907
You are not alone.

His accent in this movie was a trip.

>>31329805
I have no idea how german mines were designed, but given that the magnetic part is readily available and the existance of some type of breaking cross fuze you could fix something up in a few minutes that would work as anon describes.

>>31329976
Of course, the idea is pretty stupid, it would be much better to place the mine beneath the tracks to begin with.

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>>31329840
>dat film clip

I love Peckinpah's montages. The way he edited and juxtaposed this scene shows the confusion and fast paced action of war.

The movie intro is another good example of this. Putting a children's song over pictures of Nazi rallies and steadily switching to the carnage of war. Powerful stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U9Sh91htIA

>>31329482
Shoot it with my 1911

Ye, but where do the iron crosses grow?

>>31330025

This.

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>Peckinpah never did another large scale war flick
Yeah, Wild Bunch came pretty fucking close, but still...

>>31330117
Wrong movie kiddo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8YATqioOAM&feature=youtu.be
hilary clinton trying to hide her health from you, she looks like a noodle!!!!!!!!

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>>31329372
Hahah

Hahahahahhahahah

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA

>>31329669
yes, they did it to at least stop the tank.
Crew would either come out because mine caused damage inside or you put some grenades or petrol in.

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Most interesting part to me was the David Warner subplot.

He just wanted to smoke cigs and bitch, and it made James Mason save him.

>>31331139
Captain Kiesel is my spirit animal, ashamed to say.

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Hänschen klein
Ging allein
In die weite Welt hinein.
Stock und Hut
Steht ihm gut,
Ist gar wohlgemut.
Doch die Mutter weinet sehr,
Hat ja nun kein Hänschen mehr!
„Wünsch dir Glück!“
Sagt ihr Blick,
„Kehr’ nur bald zurück!“

Sieben Jahr
Trüb und klar
Hänschen in der Fremde war.
Da besinnt
Sich das Kind,
Eilt nach Haus geschwind.
Doch nun ist’s kein Hänschen mehr.
Nein, ein großer Hans ist er.
Braun gebrannt
Stirn und Hand.
Wird er wohl erkannt?
What did they mean by this?

The editing in this film was pretty damn good

>>31331482
The theme song of Cross of Iron, combined with that glorious marching music pumps me up.

Am I a Nazi?

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>>31331482
Little Hans went and saw the world, and grew up as he did.
When he returned home, nobody recognized him, except for his mother, who knew his eyes.

It's quite sad in the context of this film.

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>>31332047
No, it's very catchy and rousing. I think it's supposed to pump you up, so the rest of the film can bring you down.

By the way, the march in the beginning is the ROA anthem "We Go On the Wide Fields". I liked it's rendition for the movie but unfortunately I can't find an instrumental like it anywhere else.

>>31329819
> air support
That ain't the US army friendo.

Fucking Star Wars robbed these guys of the glory they deserved.

movie?

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>>31332095
The part where the 88 blows the turret off that T-34 gets my dick diamonds every time.

I definitely get what you mean though, and now that I'm aware of the translation of the lyrics, it really sets the tone for the film. Genius really.

>>31332286
I never thought of that, good point.

>>31332652
I thank that's a pak 7.5 desu.

>>31332946
I'm saying in the opening credits, during the song.

>>31331139
>He just wanted to smoke cigs and bitch
The story of my military career.

>>31329840

You're over-analyzing. That's a 70s flick.

Combat wasn't depicted very realistically until Saving Private Ryan.

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Hessler and Konrad were the only thing worth this movie. Konrad was based. Shame about the rest of the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JDkdc246QQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JDkdc246QQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7IxwOlr2PY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj48__hW76c

>>31330933
have u seen major dundee?

>>31333369
Much as I love Robert Shaw I hate this movie. It's so badly made.

>>31329372
Love how Stransky had an authentic accent but James Coburn just could not be arsed most of the time.

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And Ill show you were the Iron crosses grow.

>>31333789
>Stransky

Maximilian Schell was an actual Austrian, so had a natural accent. Most of the guys in Steiner's squad were German as well.

Apparently there was a shite low budget ww2 film made after that the studio tried to sell as a sequel to Cross of Iron for some reason.

>>31329482
bend over and ask for it gently

>>31329899
Thats only valid if it was a HEAT mine, they were most likely conventional HE mines which does not need to be directed so the track will get blown of.

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1944

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBDuO2zq1Zc

>>31329802
Don't you know the tanks are sent to absorb the satchels? It's the Soviet fucking Union.

Why did Steiner prefer Ppsh to MP-40?

>>31336560
A lot of German soldiers did. There was even a system to convert captured ones to 9mm.

Being an Aufklarer NCO with an Iron Cross probably gave him some leeway for using a dirty Bolshevik machine pistol. Also better reliability and more effective in close quarters fighting, though I've heard of Russians looting MP40s since they were a lot lighter

>>31329482
This video have everything you need to know, kinder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rdydaJ1Xs

>Germans speaking English
>The good Nazi trope

So much wasted potential

>>31330025

They should have used something like this for the World Peace intro

I have newfound respect for this shitty board. Cross of Iron is patrician as fuck.

>>31339816
What did you expect to see? People feeling horrible for being German in the 40s?

Get your globalist jew ass outta here.

>>31336857
>Russians looting MP40s since they were a lot lighter

This happened a lot. Strangely, both sides seemed to prefer the submachine gun of the other side.

>>31340351
No. My problem was that main Nazis whining attitude. I want my nazis zealous.

>>31329482
glad I have my ear bitten off
I THINK WE CAN HEAR THEM IN THE SMOKE!

>>31340375

Grass is always greener is a real thing.

Except when it comes to the Sten. No one wanted the Sten.

>>31329482

Wonder what T-34/85s are doing in 1943.

>>31330974
Fuck off.

Don't know what this film is but it reminds me of the Sven Hassel books...has anyone else read them?


Re-read one the other week and could only think of /k/

WORST WAR MOVIE I EVER SAW!.

God what a miserable experience watching that was.

>>31342978
Because I have nothing better to do, I will go on and ask; why do you think so?

>>31340514
Explain the MP3008 and Austen, then

>>31344537
brass wanted then because they were cheap and easy to make
soldiers would always rather have a better gun

>>31344537

It was 1945 and Germany needed to army the bottle of the barrel with something other then Panzerfausts and what they should take from museums. Any time before 1945 and the Sten would be frowned upon.

>There was no standardization of any kind and units were issued only what equipment was available. This was true of every form of equipment—Volkssturm members were required to bring their own uniforms and culinary equipment etc. This resulted in the units looking very ragged and, instead of boosting civilian morale, it often reminded people of Germany's desperate state. Armament was equally haphazard: though some Karabiner 98ks were on hand, members were also issued older Gewehr 98s and 19th-century Gewehr 71s and Steyr-Mannlicher M1888s, as well as Dreyse M1907 pistols. In addition there was a plethora of Soviet, British, Belgian, French, Italian, and other weapons that had been captured by German forces during the war. The Germans had also developed cheap but reasonably effective Volkssturm weapons, like MP 3008 machine pistols, Volkssturmgewehr 1-5 rifles and VMG-27 light machine guns. These were completely stamped and machine-pressed constructions (in the 1940s, industrial processes were much cruder than today, so a firearm needed great amounts of semi-artisanal work to be actually reliable). The Volkssturm troops were nominally supplied when and where possible by both by the Wehrmacht and the SS, but oftentimes they had little to spare. Being armed with leftovers compounded the Volkssturm's ineffectiveness; the large number of different ammunition types also put a strain on an already burdened logistics system (for example, the Gewehr 71s used a different type of ammunition than the two 98 rifles). In the last few months of the war, the shortages of modern firearms led to the use of weapons such as shotguns, and even muskets and crossbows taken from museums.

>>31344995
>even muskets and crossbows taken from museums.

Anybody else hear about them also using an old British MkVII tank from WWI? Now that'd be hell.

>>31329372
They made a movie of Cross of Iron? I never even knew that? Read the book, everything is explained pretty well.

>>31329669
In 42 satchel charges and frangible glass chemical grenades were the only things the german infantry had against tanks, things changed pretty fast but anything you got you used anytime you had it, even later on.

>>31329829
AT magnetic mines are shaped charges and not HE, they work like a rocket propelled grenade that's stuck on the tank

>>31336560
In the book, they were behind the russian line, working their way back to their side, they were using whatever weapons and ammo they came up on, that officer did give him shit about ii but I can't remember what came of it,

>>31345413

It's pretty well done considering it was made in the 70's. Peckinpah was at the top of his game for a man on a drug binge and James Coburn somehow managed to rail the hopeless exhaustion and did it without deserting to a fake German or British accent. Schell was great too and just about every German was played by an actual German.

I think the only thing I didn't like was the occasional mustache that gave the impression German officers were time travelers from the 1970's

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>"A painting means as much to you as a string of pearls to an ape."

Jesus Christ, the amount of French Railroad History they destroy in this movie is astoundingly rough to watch even for someone who doesn't give a shit about trains. If you haven't seen it, do yourself a favour and watch a 2 hour morally grey cat and mouse chase between Paul Scofield and Burt Lancaster set on rails in August 1944.

>>31329840
damn, this is unwatchable.

When are people going to realize dubbed movies ruin the experience?

>>31345825
...it's not dubbed. Everyone is speaking English. The video just isn't synced up to the audio.

>>31345825

It's an English movie. there should be some better sites to use then that.

>>31345682
>the only thing I didn't like was the occasional mustache that gave the impression German officers were time travelers from the 1970's

Germans from then occasionally did rock mustaches. What drove me up the wall were the terrible haircuts.

>>31345800
It's a great movie, all the way thru. But my fav part is watching Lancaster having to cast the replacement bearings for the locomotive, and then having to run it himself, I've never seen an actor that worked as hard as him in roles like this. That's no bullshit with him running the engine either. He fucked up his leg in one scene early in filming it.

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>>31345800
>>31346047
The only counterpart to The Train is Buster Keaton's The General. Nothing else matches the sheer scale of railroading destruction that unfolds, nor the stroke-inducing stunts the leads put themselves through.

>tfw no Papa Boule in your life

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>>31329482
this kills the slavshit

>>31345800
Is that Putin?

>>31345242
Yes, I've heard about this. I think they captured one from Estonia and used it in the Battle of Berlin. It disappeared after the war, probably soviet scrap metal. If it ever existed.

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>When you sign up to drive a Panther tank, and all they give you is the turret and gun instead.