Hilary won, they are coming for your guns with this, how do you

>>31327588
What are they going to do, drive up and tap on my door with the barrel?

>>31327588
You stand in front of it, like in Tiananmen.
And when it stops, your pals climb and hand burgers to the crew. They will realize their mistake upon the taste of freedom and join your cause.

>>31327603
they will park outside your abode and politely ask to fork your stuff over. They will call the boating accident bullshit.

>>31327588

> be active armor crewmen

Hop in my M1A1 and active parity. What now Hillary?

>>31327657
What happens if an M1A2 SEP comes ?

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>>31327588
With Kornet.

>>31327643
Well, if they aren't moved by the tragedy of my boating accident, maybe they can get a warrant and come in here. See what they find.

>>31327663
Cunt punch that bitch

>>31327588
Hide muh guns, ambush supply lines and target the fascists families.

Get an RPG and shoot it in the roof.

Avoid tank and kill the support for the tank.

Kill the mechanics that fix tank, crewmen that fill it with fuel, kill the people that handle the ammunition.

Seriously, this is Art of War 101. "Avoid what is strong, attack what is weak."

>>31327669
Op meant American abrams. Not shit tier iraqi abrams

>>31327686
>muh monkey models

>>31327663

What you think my fellow 19k bros are going to start shooting up the same people they work with because Hillary wants to disarm the civilian population?

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>>31327588
Well, looks like we have a civil war on our hands, boys

>>31327588

Join military and refuse to obey such orders.

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Well, I show them a map to DC because they're obviously asking for directions in the inevitable military coup if an order like that was ever given.

>>31327703

This. The only Hillary supporters in the military are the faggots and trannies that suck at their job and can be purged on day one.

>>31327588
Wreck the supply lines. Blitzkrieg worked by cutting the tanks off from their fuel

gorilla warfare at its finest then. Civ's don't have access to kornets or rpg do they

>>31327674
>warrant
>implying Hillary has/will ever abide by the law
wew lad

>>31327588
I would just continue posting white supremacist frog memes on the alt-right Polynesian interior decoration forum

Go after the tanks weakest point, its crew's wives and gfs. Once they've been made subservient to the BBC, the crew would be rendered combat ineffective by crippling depression and whiteboi self-loathing.

>>31327588
sand kills burger equipment
throw sand at them

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>>31327588
I'm from San Diego, tanks don't even phase us anymore.

>>31327588
Simple. Call Vlad. Because by the time the US government is trying to use military assets to control it's population, there is already a rebellion with foreign support.
The time the US could Waco and have total control of the news coming out of it is gone. Look at Bundy Ranch if you think I am wrong.

>>31327588
>wait for it to head back to base to refuel
>grab all my pro gun buddies/disgruntled citizens
>shit lead all over the base
>salvage all the military gear
>"NOW I HAVE THE MACHINE GUNS HO HO HO"
>expand/supply new army
>we civil war 2 electric boogaloo starring the new fangled army of anon now
provided the government ever decides to fag it up, not saying anything based outside of fantasy, so leave my dog alone NSA/ATF

>>31327770
>Gorilla warfare
Harambe is a SEAL

>>31327689
>muh monkey crews
is more like it.

>>31330416
a tank is only as good as it's crew right?
if i remember correctly there is no mbt today that a ww2 tank couldn't shoot to shits if the crew is retarded.

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>>31327588
if you think roadblocks or molotovs will do anything to a tank you are woefully misinformed. Even a bmp will eat that shit up

>>31327690
I was just thinking a thunder run to D.C. would be a lot more entertaining than a tour of duty in OP's Mom's basement.

>>31327588

>See tank coming.
>Attempt to hide shotgun in anus.
>Bead sight caught on hemorrhoid.
>Begin to bleed profusely.
*knock* *knock* ATF here, could you please open the door.

>>31332542
That second guy turning the turret backwards like in gta to go faster.

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>>31327588
Pic very related...

>>31332730
Oh God that picture. Oh jesus christ. Once had to take out 8 wheels and the treads on a tank because of barbed wire oh god.

Even as a liberal, I don't understand this argument. Nobody is expecting guys with rifles to take on tanks or gunships, it's like people don't understand why Iraq was such a shitshow and how retarded Arabs could frustrate the world's most powerful military.

That being said, I don't trust contemporary Americans to carry out an effective insurgency campaign. Not that we're too stupid, but we're too fat and lazy. Being an insurgent means you travel light and move fast. You can't move fast if you weigh 350 lbs and are used to sitting on your ass all day.

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>>31327588

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>>31332936
You know what tank barrels are designed for, right? To have explosives down them?

>>31332936
>meanwhile coaxial mg or crows turns you to swiss cheese.

>>31332765
5% of the population is 16.5 million people. You're saying that 95% of the U.S. is fat and lazy. Fuck off and #shillforhillary somewhere else.

>>31332765
huh? so you don't expect militia to take on tanks but you assume everyone who owns guns and takes their shit seriously is too fat and lazy for the rest of it? i don't know a single person i shoot with that i'd assume would be down with fighting that's not in shape or at least not fat.

Fuel is the weak point with any and all armor.

In the short term? Air. Without it that turbine is gonna shut down. Kill it with fire.

Tank traps. Deep mud. Think... creatively.

Knock a tread off.. lots of things you can do to immobilize one.

>>31330081
hah. I fuckin see what you did there m80

>tank jackass is live on KUSI
>he hisides over the k-rail on the 15
>ask dad why the cops don't just blow it up
>get a 50 minute lesson on tanks and why they shouldnt be exploded on live TV and how the idiot couldnt fire it if he wanted to
>but dad why did he take it then
>"I guess that guy couldn't TANK it any more!!!"

I will never forget that dad joke

>direct action vs a tank
immobilize it, aim to knock off a tread, once its turned into a bunker then flush the crew out by targeting the weakpoints

>indirect action
target their supply lines, their repair bases, target replacement crews, any type of suppy station

or paint dicks on all sides of the hull

>>31327684
Sure thing dude. The tanks are probably deploying from a military base. So you are going to get onto a military base to destroy the fueling and repairing capabilities of the ENTIRE BASE?

I believe in you.

I would turn my property into the most nightmarish IED nest that the world had ever seen. It would cost millions of dollars and hundreds of lives to even get to my house, which is where the horror really begins. They might make their way in to finally kill me and take my 5 fucking guns, but is it really worth it?

[spoiler]Unless then just fucking bombed my house.[/spoiler]

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>>31330374
>being this new

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>implying i'm not off to my Gook tunnels the minute the election results are aired.
It's like you people WAIT for them to be at your door.

>>31327588
>>31327588
wow.

Are your fucking idiots really that delusional that you could withstand an attack from a ACTIVE Army unit.

Look, no one in the Active Army or Nasty Girl units want to hurt any of you. America is special in the fact that the military functions have not staged a coup or something.

But if you actually think you would survive an assault, from even an NG infantry PLT is....well.....retarded. They have the upper hand in firepower and speed.
And thats all they need to cap your fucking ass. I dont care if your a fucking "sniper". They will find your position and "arty" your position untill you move or nothing is left of you.
The only reason they will never do it- is because your American. Waco? Ruby Ridge? Those would have been piece of fucking cake if they weren't Americans.
Afghan villages for having Taliban in them. We fucking lit up .

Well for Waco there were also children. So that adds a whole other dynamic to the situation

>>31333740
Attach bomb to drone, fly drone into base, find big ass oil tank, detonate.

Hardest part is making the bomb, surprised we haven't seen drone terrorism yet.

>>31334027
>What is being branded a "terrorist"?
>What is ROE?

I would hope the military not unilaterally obey such unconstitutional escalation. we've been fighting terrorists for years ayylmao it won't be easy in a domestic situation like antis claim.

IEDs

burn their homes down

slaughter their families

etc etc

>>31334144
Funny.

ROE doesn't matter when going up against Iraqi's. But then when when it applies to you......


And I'm just doing my job....with my 13F


But Im guessing you dont what that is, do you....

>>31334197
welcomd to the waffen-SS

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>>31334027
>They have the upper hand in firepower and speed. And thats all they need to cap your fucking ass
wew lad, that's nothing some handouts from Uncle Vlad wouldn't solve.

>>31334262
do I get a free hugo boss hat?

>>31334278
You really wanna out-run an weapons squad with 2 M240s?

Ive seen militias train. Most look they can run to 7/11 to get a donuts and thats it.

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>>31327588
Pic related

>>31327588
By the time Hillary sends tanks for my shit, she will have already let thousands of jihadis in to the country as immigrants. I'll be consulting them as subject matter experts on what to do about tanks roaming through my subdivision.

>>31334115
Ever heard of DARPA? They put out an open call every year for people to submit designs on ways to turn commercial goods into weapons that could threaten military technology. They offer up to $70k for a design that they have not thought of yet and, fun fact, they don't pay out very often. Whatever drone attack idea you have, they already have a counter for it.

Source: I participated in the program.

>>31327603
>With what army
>The United States Army

>>31334309
His post is implying he would have PKMs

>>31334341

>2/3 of the military voting Trump

You and what POGs?

>>31332730
Saw an M60 get caught by a single strand of concertina once. Crew had to borrow our wire cutters and it took 'em a good 40 minutes to get that shit out.

I wonder, where would be an ideal place for an arms factory?

>>31334373
A majority of the Army is voting for Gary.

>>31334027
Yeah, except that there's literally a million times 100 guns against us unlike any war ever before.

Also the fact that your entire citizenry could build IEDs with a few classes from a local chemistry professor essentially makes the US population the ISIS that ISIS wishes they were.

>>31334309
the real question is, would you want to fight a motivated cell receiving significant foreign assistance?

>>31334356
>His post is implying he would have PKMs
and AT weapons, MANPADS systems, advisors, etc. Hell, if you ship me a ZSU piece by piece I'll build that fucker like an Erector set.

We live in the age of proxy war now, aid is virtually guaranteed to anybody with an end goal tangentially related to that of a higher power.

>>31327588
Who would be driving it? They're gonna have to hire mercenaries because I ain't disarming my own people, and I'd feel obligated to fight said mercenaries because that's tantamount to a foreign invasion.

>>31334373
>not getting the family guy joke because you're taking it seriously

>>31327588
the biggest pile of explosives you've ever seen in your life, buried under the road

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>>31334468
>the majority of the military is voting for a progressive democrat pretending to be a libertairan because I said so
>meanwhile polling shows them heavily favoring Trump

>>31334485
I don't watch family guy.

>>31327690
You're fucking based. Thanks

>>31327770
They absolutely would if the US govt. tried something as retarded as OP is suggesting.

>>31334485
>family guy
There's a reason i believe in aborting the retarded.

>>31334312
Underrated

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>>31327588
I wonder what a 55+ gallon barrel sized EFP would do to an abrams??

>>31334468
no, we're not. and anyone who says that they are we straight up tell might as well vote for hillary because thats what they are doing.

>>31334490
Sure thing tough guy. What kind of explosives? Where are you getting them? How are you initiating them?

>>31334504
The polls show Johnson at 40%, which is the majority.

>>31334598
>The polls

>>31334578
Massive overkill. You can punch through Abrams armor with an EFP with a diameter of 12-15", no problem.

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>>31334583
the FS down the road, or all of them within 20 miles, there's at least 3.

every nitrogen fertilizer they have, it will all be useful.

if you don't have manpower behind you, it won't matter though. Fighting the American government's drones is just silly though, therefore, OP's question in silly.

replace the leadership, replace the policy, keep the infrastructure, defend the US constitution.

>>31333582
>Avoid tank and kill the support for the tank.
Tanks don't operate alone.

Tanks don't need any fuel to fight.

Mud that will stop a tank almost stops infantry, and most tanks avoid mud when possible.

But, as a former tank gunner their are ways to damage, destroy or capture a tank. But most of those ways only work in close terrain. The vehicles that will be supporting door to door operations will be IFVs, APC or LAV (take your pick for a name).

>>31334579
I'm in the Army. I'm voting for Gary. Everybody in my unit is voting for Gary. The people who are not voting for Gary are voting for Hillary. Trump is fucking sunk.

>>31334312
this is the only correct answer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOydrC8rsoE

>>31334622
>Tanks don't need any fuel to fight.

Have fun being a stationary gun while the lines shift.

>>31334632
Stolen valor
pretty low anon

>>31334327
>Whatever drone attack idea you have, they already have a counter for it.
Sure, but it's not implemented, developed or deployable.

We have an idea to put a colony on Mars, Titian, Luna, and floating in Venus.

>>31334632
airfag here, most people in my unit are voting trump

>>31334616
Do you know the correct nitrate level for a fertilizer to be explosives grade? Do you know how do render non-explosive grade fertilizers down and make them higher potency?

I'm not just trying to be a douche. These are real questions. Almost 90% of the fertilizer you can buy commercially is not capable of making explosives. After the Oklahoma City bombing the government has pretty much stripped all large scale explosive grade precursors off of the shelves. I know this shit. I work in that world.

>>31327588

>Find the nearest islamic community and tell them Jihad is legal now.

>sit back and wait for allah snackbarring kabooms

>>31334695
>implying that won't give them a reason and the support to crack down even harder

>>31334688
Then steal it from the source, the plant.

>>31334643
>Have fun being a stationary gun while the lines shift.

If people are fighting at the level of lines of battle against an organized military force they have fucking lost.

Also don't forget tanks don't fight alone.

If one can't move the others will stay and establish an area of projected force. Unless some moron in higher command wants his map to be neat and uniform then they might abandon the tank and destroy it in place.

>>31334664
Yes, it is. The RF signal that controls your drone is not protected or encoded in any way. There government has CREW systems built with the intention of wiping out entire miles of RF signals. If the intel suggested that you were going to attack a military base your drone would never stand a chance.

Protip: since you have already posted on a web forum they have intel on you.

OP's question is silly, and designed to start shit-flinging.

Forget the fucking Abrams, go find the congressmen that voted for this.

Get a list of the properties they own, etc.

DC address.

3300 Nebraska Ave NW
Washington , D.C. 20016

San Francisco address.

2460 Lyon st @ Vallejo St
San Francisco, CA 94123

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Feinstein-s-16-5-million-view-in-Pacific-Heights-2523619.php

I don't like talking about hypothetical protests that involve crime.
OP must be a shill.

Say... They don´t have CIWS emplacements on stateside bases do they?

>>31334717
You dudes are pretty solid when it comes to guns. Just stick to what you know...

>>31334785
Not the idiot you are replying to, but I am curious. You seem to know what you are talking about, do you have more advice or info?

>>31334785
>>31334804
A single skilled bomb-maker can prop up an entire organization.

They are certainly valuable, and they still need resources. That said, we are Americans and currently have access to all kinds of information. It would get done, hypothetically.

>>31334825
bombs are the real answer. Guns can only do so much. It's why we can still have them.

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>>31334598
>>31334632
thanks for correcting the record

>>31334754
Jammers used in Afghanistan and Iraq were limited because of the physical size of the emitter put a limit on what wavelength can be jammed. That is to say, one size one band. The fancy units had two emitters, one for cellphones, one for garage door openers. Wide band jamming is physically impossible.

Could someone build a jammer for the drone RF? Yes. Could someone build jammers for all of them? Likely. Could you jam a wide spectrum of EMR with a single device? No.

>>31334327
>They offer up to $70k for a design that they have not thought of yet and, fun fact, they don't pay out very often

OFFICIALLY.

Real threats are never disclosed. Come on.

....maybe your design well, wasn't that effective.

>>31334632

LOL. Nice try. Here's a nickel.

Mr. Trump has the military support.

>>31334804
I'm a former military explosives expert, counter IED technician, security supervisor, and counter insurgency personnel. My single piece of advice is this: the most successful threats to American sucurity have always been lone wolves. They have no friends. They don't make posts of Filipino basket weaving forums. They don't write manifestos. The most dangerous person in America is an angry fuck with the ability to do a lot of damage who never reveals a single piece of their plan and then attacks.

>>31334940

In OPs scenario a fucking pack of those comes out on 11 different fronts backed up by beef jerky gunshow idiot cannon fodder. It's a shitshow based on zealous support of American independence for which most are willing to kill and die to defend.

>>31327588
>tank

The tank tank, tanking tank tank, tank.

>>31334851
You have no idea how CREW works. With an unrestrained power source (like drawing power from the grid) you can pump a jamming signal through any number of wavelengths and frequencies that you want. You can jam EVERYTHING.

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>>31327588

they dont need to take your guns, they will just make them illegal and america gun culture will die anyway

When you can't go out doors and show your kids because of them being illegal, they lose intrest.

when your grand kid wants to sell you and your scary AR out to make a quick buck later... theres that too

its a lose lose situation, the demotards have nothing but time. When there are more people around who don't miss guns, they win.

>>31334974
Why would the citizens fight their own military?

Government all hiding in a bunker the whole time?

Because you can't expect to live among them while shitting on them like OP is suggesting.

>>31334996
>You have no idea how CREW works. With an unrestrained power source (like drawing power from the grid) you can pump a jamming signal through any number of wavelengths and frequencies that you want. You can jam EVERYTHING.

I'd like to see your device jam high energy gamma, visible light and multi meter radio at the same time.

Hell I'd like to see your device make something in the gamma range, because it if can their a multi billion dollar inspection industry that would buy that device; being able to at the push of a button turn off your source would make radiography so much simpler.

>>31334974
If you are using your own home for your base of operations then you are an idiot. Welcome them in, be cordial, let them search your home. When they leave wave to them and say God bless. Then go to your separate workshop and build the weapons to destroy them.

This is how the locals in Afghanistan have fought us for over a decade.

>>31334027
>be 13f
>know how long artie missions take to process
>literally just walk away because its ng calling arty

Topkek still waiting on guns

Go after the govt agents' families. You're an idiot if you think you can take on a conventional military head on. Attack the logistic and support units.

>"Uhh, it seems like your family was attacked by a bunch of rebels last night."
>"FUCK YOU I NEED TO GET HOME"
>"Can't do that, the resupply convoy was attacked and will be delayed. Also, the roads are destroyed."

Let's see how long they last when that shit happens.

>>31335043
>When they leave wave to them and say God bless.
Nice job getting sent to the reeducation camp shit lord. Do you know how racist that is?

>I'd like to see your device jam high energy gamma

So you want me to build a Counter Electronic Warfare device that can defeat the energy given off by an atomic bomb? Fine, you beat me. I can't use my electronic warfare to defeat your fucking nuke.

For real though, you are an idiot. Nobody sends data through high level gamma. You know what goes through high level gamma? Fucking death.

As far as radio: that shit is child's play. Every single radio signal can be defeated with modern technology. Shit, we had that technology twenty years ago.

Visible light? Sure, we may not be able to disrupt that, but for that kind of communication you would literally need DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT. Do you see the problem with that form of communication?

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Please stop responding to OP's bait post everyone.

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Wait a minute, suppose both congress and Killary went full retard and decides to attempt confiscation.

Obviously the congressmen and president know they are in very grave danger, so checkpoints and border patrols are created to guard government targets.

Movement is restricted nationwide, border hopping and weapons smuggling is the best way to keep the insurgency running.

Presumably they are not willing to spend the rest of their days hiding in government bunkers, so everywhere they travel there is significant military force accompanying them.

Would this actually work? The answer is probably: "Until the next election."

>>31335184
or is the answer actually whoever wins the hearts and minds of over 100 million militiamen?

Obviously the resistance to confiscation efforts will be apparent to about every single individual in America. With shit hitting the fan all around them, would the American government be able to retain it's support?

>>31335035

It'd be some shady post-9/11 agency tasked with it with nasty guard support. Not full invasion like Watertown, MA

>>31335043
The smart wolves will do just this. Others will go Katrina, even more will try and Koresh their way out of the hypothetical door-to-door efforts.

>>31335123
>Do you see the problem with that form of communication?
theoretically you could do it via IR but that has its own range of issues associated with it

>>31335036
>visible light jammer
god damn i dropped all my kek's

With militia-members emplacing IEDs wouldn't the community be more inclined to refuse disarmament? It would literally tear this country apart. In any given area there is a certain percentage of people willing to resist federal confiscation efforts, so much so that it's pretty much a fact of life for Americans.


They know a bunch of fucked up war bullshit is going to happen in their towns, and want nothing to do with it, right?

Like in 2012, with states telling the federal government to fuck off (which I imagine would happen for real if disarmament was attempted), how possible is state militia forces overtaking federal military bases and ICBM sites--aided by defecting US Mil?

Would the decrease in the effectiveness of USA's nuclear deterrence force the federal government to reconsider it's position? What about the threat of nuclear civil war?

>>31335228
Do you know what IR shows up on bright as day? Night vision. It would be no more effective than sending smoke signals.

These days if you aren't using an encrypted global timing protocol then you may as well be sending your RF traffic directly to the enemy.

>>31327588
Shoot the M978s then wait for the tanks to leave?

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>>31335328
>>31335207
>>31335184

It appears that fucking people out of a constitutionally protected god-given right (by force) would be far more costly and difficult than it would ever be worth. Granted, mostly due to it's unpopularity.

The only option I think they would ever actually consider is legislating firearm freedom away slowly and illegally.

They could try to change the US constitution but that would have a snowball's chance in hell of passing and Americans would be scared of losing their constitutionally protected rights as a whole. It would be dangerous to attempt to modify the bill of rights, purely because worried, scared Americans do not trust the American government.

>>31335328
Today's political climate would not let the military attack the population. If the population put up a sufficient defense then the military could not use their rules of engagement properly. The more savage that the military had to be against its own people, the less support they would be able to maintain. Once they killed enough Patriots the populace would turn entirely against them.

That, and the people in the military are still people. Many of them would refuse to attack their own countrymen. I know I would.

>>31327588
One thing no one else has mentioned is to try to hit anyone peeking out of the tank.

That would decrease it's crew.

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>>31330342
>wait for it to head back to base to refuel
>grab all my pro gun buddies/disgruntled citizens
>decide to shit lead all over the base
>get BTFO because we're outnumbered, out skilled, out gunned, have no air supremacy and basically just a bunch of civis fighting the strongest army in the world head on

jesus anon i hope thats not the plan

>>31335436
Have you ever seen videos of insurgents shooting at tanks? It turns out that killing the top gunner only makes the main gunner shoot you with a 105mm HE round.

Weird.

>>31332765
Starvation will solve that issue real quick.

>>31335424
For these reasons I think if politicians seriously propose disarmament, they are doing the bidding of a foreign nation trying to turn America into a fragmented warzone.

>>31335457
Sure, but we aren't Arabs nor are we in the middle east. We also have the advantage of Western optics and rifles.

I think western insurgents would be better marksmen, meaning they could kill the top gunner from farther away.

Certainly not beyond the tank's effective range, but with few enough shots that determining the shooter's position might not be realistic.

>>31335328
>Would the decrease in the effectiveness of USA's nuclear deterrence force the federal government to reconsider it's position?
It's not about firepower or violent coercion. It's all about energy. W/O energy the US loses most of it's industry and service capability & becomes a third world country overnight; no data-centers, no more refrigeration, no water purification/desalination, no more electric ovens or microwaves.
The thing is petroleum & energy sectors are full of workers who hate the government for a cornucopia of reasons and wouldn't hesitate to monkeywrench a whole distribution network if they thought it'd stick it to the feds/oppressive gov in a civil war.

>>31334485
but this is the US, not Petoria

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>>31334632
Everyone but me in my unit is voting Trump. I'm voting for Gary because I wanna smoke weed again

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>>31327588
Time to post this again

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>>31327588
>>31335569
Confiscation would never happen because it would lead to uprisings, and at worse a civil war, which would never happen because the government is, on the down low, terrified of us.

/thread

>>31335494
For one, you are not a better marksman than the enemies in the middle east. When I was deployed there was a Chechen sniper in my AO who would taunt convoys by shooting gunners right in their shield (did I mentions that top gunners are surrounded by bullet proof glass/armor?) while they were moving at over 35 mph. He typically shot from over 800 meters.

Also, American military vehicles has a device which measures sounds within the decibel range of a gunshot, even factoring in the echoes from nearby terrain, and can determine where the shot came from within a 30 degree arch. They will zero in on you within two shots.

>>31334384
>m60
>what countr are you from?

>>31335546
Me too, man. Me too.

>>31333489

That's not how cannons or firearms of any sort work anon.

They only work one way and rely on the pressure of hot gas to force everything in one direction. Any blockage further down the barrel or any explosive force coming down the other way is at the very least going to damage the bore and maybe even the breech.

>>31335350
>Do you know what IR shows up on bright as day? Night vision.
I'm aware of that, I dabble in Gen.0/1.

>It would be no more effective than sending smoke signals.
it has the advantage of not being overtly visible without a receiver/NV system while also being impossible to intercept without having LOS with an emitter, that's somewhat decent for short-range communication as long as nobody catches on.
>inb4 drones
nobody has the resources to scan vast swaths of land for unusual IR emissions.

>These days if you aren't using an encrypted global timing protocol then you may as well be sending your RF traffic directly to the enemy.
wew lad, you're acting as if we're talking about an omnipotent entity here.

>>31334027
This. in some dystopian future where the us government can somehow get the military to attack its civis its game over. Even assuming some defections a good majority of resistance would be taken out in the initial roundup, when an army of tanks, infantry, drones, air support and apcs rocks up to your house gg

>>31335595
There is no reason Americans could not be better marksmen than the middle eastern counterparts, having the benefit of western gear and optics, as stated, as well as better medical care--meaning less uncorrected poor eyesight.

I wasn't aware of the shot direction meter on the vehicles, though.

>>31335641
That's a lot of fucking houses to hit in a short period of time.

>>31335595
>For one, you are not a better marksman than the enemies in the middle east.

I would also like to point out, that my marksmanship is entirely irrelevant to the statement I made.

>>31335633
We have counter-RF tech than actively scans for unsecured channels and then transmits the traffic directly to a central node. That shit is too easy. We always knew when the enemy was going to attack us because they would talk about it on the radio first. Now take that man portable system and hook it into a FUCK HUGE antenna powered by the grid. They will heard you. Always.

>>31335595
>device which measures sounds...determine where the shot came from
What military are you serving in? I have never seen any of that shit

>>31335727
if they went nation wide with the support of all police and military forces and a list prioritizing suspects most likely to cause a problem there wouldnt be many armed patriots left in 48 hours, ofc this is all assuming the almost full cooperation of the army which is unlikely unless America ends up being a third world dictatorship

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>>31327588
>shoot traitor in gunner's seat
>shoot traitor in hatch
>climb onto tank and enter through stupidly left open hatch
>shoot traitors inside
>now I have a tank Hillary, ho ho ho

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>>31335807
>with the support of all police and military forces and a list prioritizing suspects most likely to cause a problem there wouldnt be many armed patriots left in 48 hours,


Uh-huh, just how much manpower do you think that is again?

>>31335711
You are right, there is not reason that American civilians could not be a better shot that a Chechen sniper. However, the X factor is that the citizens of the middle east have been at war for almost 80 years. They do not flinch from combat. They do not shy from killing. These are things that are ingrained into their life. In this scenario it is the US government versus its people, but the fact still stand that 99.9% of the population has never been in a life of death situation nor have they ever needed to kill. Not everybody can do it. Even people in the military break down and cannot shoot the enemy. I doubt that 1 in 10 normal civilians would be able to actually operate a weapon with the desire to kill, especially if it was a civil war.

>>31335807
Overtly taking guns with force is impractical and it's supremely unlikely that any politician would take that route, this entire thread is basically a Day of the Rope circlejerk.

>>31335852
>They do not flinch from combat.
Keep rolling, Abu Hajaar.

The rest of your post is mostly irrelevant considering a small percentage of the population will outnumber all of the police and military forces.

>>31335457
>>31335494
Holy shit is everyone here actually calling the TC a "top gunner"?

In addition to the fact that he's not a "gunner", are you guys aware that the US has the technology to allow the TC to operate his machine gun from within the vehicle?

>>31335881
I added that option as a footnote, and yes it's likely he will pop out to look around once in a while.

More importantly everyone not in a tank is able to be harassed by small arms fire.

>>31335791
It is called the Boomerang. Look it up. That shit is old news, and anything that is available on the internet in even older news. If you can look it up then there is already something twice as cool in the field.

>>31335788
this is all fine and good when you're dealing with untrained goat-herders who can't fully comprehend what they're dealing with, anyone with an ounce of sense would rally via word-of-mouth and have any RF transmissions be verbally coded and transmitted from non-static locations.

>>31335870
The Afghan insurgency dynamic is pretty genius. They basically dish out responsibility and equipment based of dedication. Most of the time when you are getting shot at it is some asshole kid shooting their AK over a wall and then running away. The US forces shoot back and waste their ammo. Once you get closer to their base they deploy real fighters who can fucking aim their AK, plus dudes with machine guns (usually in the 7.62 variety). If you make it through them then you will only find more, plus snipers and artillery support.

What I am getting at is that they don't give a Dragunov to some untrained shit stain. The people with the real training and equipment are straight up killers hardened in the kiln of battle. By the time you make it into their sights they aren't going to hesitate.

It is a very American thing to believe that we are unbeatable, but the truth is that we aren't always the best cow poke on the range.

>>31335975
I refuse to believe that Americans will ever be as incompetent as Iraqis/Afghans/Syrians at war.

Ever.

>>31335881
The TC is in the vehicle you ass hat. He is the asshole in charge of the whole vehicle who is way too important to have his dumb ass hanging out of the top.

Also, while newer vehicles have a CROW system that allows them to operate the top gun remotely, older vehicles still have to fire their top gun manually. Not every military vehicle has a CROW system. I know my dumb ass was standing up manning the .50 out the top of our truck no more than 4 years ago.

>>31335975
>They basically dish out responsibility and equipment based of dedication.


That does sound pretty brilliant for a glorified militia.

>>31335901
Combat is driven by intelligence and communication. I invite you to defeat a force that can communicate freely with encoded messages and collects information on you with fucking satellites.

As we have already discussed the American public would already win against the government if there were a civil war ( >>31335569 , >>31335585 ), but these challenges are the kind of shit you need to think about if a hostile nation ever tried to invade the US.

>>31335807
1.75 million firearms sold in 2015

2 million total US mil AND police employees.

within that are cooks, mechanics, waterboys, secretaries

>implying fed. gov has the manpower to attempt forceful confiscation in any way other than a slow grinding campaign that will tear this nation apart

>>31335984
No, the Americans over all have better training, equipment, technology, intel, etc. The issue then becomes that the enemy doesn't wear a uniform. As soon as the fight starts going poorly then bad guys just hide their AK under their man-dress and blend in with the crowd. It is like they were never there, and without positive ID on a bad guy we aren't allowed to shoot them.

>>31336040
>I invite you to defeat a force that can communicate freely with encoded messages and collects information on you with fucking satellites.
the average third-world yokel seems to succeed at least half the time to this end, but that's 4th Gen. warfare for you.

>these challenges are the kind of shit you need to think about if a hostile nation ever tried to invade the US
the chances of which are so remote it's hardly worth considering. The days of direct confrontation are history, if an adversary wants to counter US interests the most hands-on they will get is fueling a proxy war, and most won't even do that.

>>31336185
Third-world yokels are able to combat us because of politics. If we didn't have things like "war crimes" or "rules of engagement" we could just line up tanks side by side over the entire length of the middle east and stream roll them back to the stone age. As it is we need to meet all sorts of rules and requirements before we can kill a motherfucker, so half of the time they can attack us and then dip into a building, thus breaking PID, and preventing us from attacking them when they exit.

However then their dumb asses walk home and lead us straight back to their main base. Thanks, goat-fucker.

>>31336040

they don't have that many satellites and its not like they just have a constant gods eye view of the battlefield at all times. not even the USA does. satellite coverage is very slow, very sparse, very specific, and very expensive and time consuming to conduct.

>>31327603
That's why I live in a city

>Tanks a shit for urban warfare

>>31336288
>If we didn't have things like "war crimes" or "rules of engagement" we could just line up tanks side by side over the entire length of the middle east and stream roll them back to the stone age.
why don't we nuke them while we're at it? I too can spitball hypothetical situations that aren't even slightly grounded in reality all night, but we live in a world of rules and regulations, and doing away with them is wishful thinking.

it's also worth noting that the Soviets took a much more brutal approach in their occupation of Afghanistan but they hardly did any better than we have.

>>31336042
An average police department could confiscate most of the firearms in their town over the course of a day or two a week max, you have to remember 99% of people are hesitant to resist authority when put on the spot, unless its an outright matter of life or death, throw in some military detachments for trouble makers, put the country in a state of martial law, a government bounty for narcing gun hiders and I think you'd be able to strip most casual gun owners of their firearms at least, not to mention all the official militia and /k/ folks you've got listed on your government watch list (which youd take out first anyway)

>>31332542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1XISqEF_xY

>>31332730
He's fucking standing there poking at it with a stick
>my sides have completed an Oberth manuver and are now being shot into deep space.

>>31336437
>99% of people are hesitant to resist authority when put on the spot
>88,000,000 gun owners in the US
>880,000 people will die before they let the government take their guns.

>>31336437
Assuming the local police would enforce such things.

>>31327674
If you live in Commifornia not reporting a loss within a certain timeframe will still get you disappeared.

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>>31327588
I think uncle Vlad would hook us up with something...

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>>31327588
Q 4 op
Who do you think is in that tank?
Seriously, who do you think would be alright with raping the 2a AND could even start an Abrams without triggering themselves into a coma?
Who is in that tank?
Certainly not my glorious pic related milbros.

>>31334632
Everyone I know in the air force is voting trump.

Nice try you schmuck

>>31332765
As one of the more well adjusted members of society on /k/, I realize (unlike you) that the second amendment was made to ensure government tyranny would be extremely difficult. So if they're raping the 2nd, I'm not going to sit that out. As far as I'm concerned, it means that I no longer live in America. So actually yes, I could become an insurgent (especially considering I'm a sapper) but with big brother, that also means that I'd be shelled without notice before confiscation began.

>>31334598
Thats a plurality you fucking nitwit

>>31335123

>You can jam EVERYTHING.
Can't jam visible light, can't jam IR, can't jam UV, can't jam multi meter radio and mm radio at the same time.

NO it can jam anything!

>>31336437
>living in the mountains
>living in Appalachia
>no police department for miles
>we do have 1 state police barracks that has about 5-6 cops

5-6 cops covering hundreds of miles of land trying to take people's guns yea that's not going to happen.

>>31334720

>If people are fighting at the level of lines of battle against an organized military force they have fucking lost.

Are you retarded.

>>31334468
you really corrected my record

>>31327689
>Tanks don't degrade past the point of being worth repair and get sold to sandniggers

>>31334321
Most underrated

>>31332730
hahaha what now mothafuckas. did anyone bring wire cutter

>>31327588

I AM the one driving the tank, stupid, and if they order us to do that, I'll come up to whomever I was ordered to intimidates' door, and offer them up lunch on the gov's paycheck.

Cops want armor support, it'll be coming from their own.

>>31334228
>..................................
Nobody loves you, nobody will ever love you, anyone that claims to love you is lying.

>>31337865
op here
some brainwashed ts nigger faggot perhaps

>>31327684
As one of those mechanics don't worry.

I'll be shitting up every one of those tonks once they turn on Americans.

>>31327588
one of these to the married housing

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>>31343976
fuck forgot pic

>>31333489
In that .gif the breach was open and the frage just rolled into the crew area.

>>31327663
hop in my warthog and turn that abrams into swiss cheese.

>>31330798
Uhhhh, I doubt that bro. WW2 tank munitions were crude and had shallow penetration compared to todays armor.

Modified crossbow bolts carrying thermite. Hit the treads and rear with them. Once the crew realizes they're immobile, switch to mustard gas modded bolts.

Or you could go full solid snake and freehand a m67 down the main gun.

>>31332712
Probably didn't want the gun to snap if the other BMP was to flip and they couldn't stop in time.

>>31327603
They're actually going to use all the information the NSA has gathered about you, send you a letter demanding you turn in your firearms. And if you do not comply they will freeze your assets and you will be marked a domestic terrorist, an enemy of the state

Good luck my friends. The dark times are upon us

>Hillary
>winning

So this is a make believe thread then? I slip on my Green Lantern ring, encase the tank in a dragon dildo shaped bubble, and toss it into the sun.

Someone respond to my bait


It's in here somewhere

>>31335448
not him but
>air supremacy
>the military risking hitting civillians in a city making their situation and standing with the public even worse
>implying that said gun buddies and disgruntled citizens aren't going to pop a few rounds off, killing a couple soldiers, before running away , as opposed to holding their ground and fighting off a fully staffed military base

>>31330798
>implying a 75mm can penetrate even the thinnest armor on an Abrams

>>31335870
>small percentage of the population will outnumber all of the police and military forces.
Just because you can fire a gun in combat without flinching doesn't mean you're a match for the average soldier, they're still better trained, better equipped, better disciplined, and better led. For random guys with guns to win over a first-world military, they'd need a really major numerical advantage

>>31346037
Hillary currently is in the lead though, and has been for like a year, with only occasional exceptions. Sure, she doesn't lead by much, but no one has ever won an election by getting ALMOST as many votes as the other guy.

>>31327588
Wait for it to break down from piss poor maint. As for the guns well fuck...

>>31334851
>Wide band jamming is physically impossible.
what about a spark gap transmitter?

>>31347495
I asked, and vietnam said that you are an idiot

>>31327588
Wait for my Russian liberators to parachute in rpg-29s?

>>31345758
>>31347459
>implying you need much penetration for a mobility kill. implying you need much to pen the top or belly if the tank is stopped at a retarded spot.

what i had in mind was the abrams retardedly cresting a dune like it's invincible or something and gets tracked the tank skids to a halt exposing side at an angle where it either can't fire at the tank that tracked it or the ww2 tank can relocate to a location where the abrams simply can't shoot via being immobile and limited in gun depression or elevation. and then leisurely shooting the shit out of it.

it can be done trust me. even 30mm can pen these tanks from certain angles.

>>31334479
Id risk my life delivering Shilkas and trying to cross the border from Mexico to trade them for muscle cars.
Not even joking

>>31327588
Invite their Commander into the house and hand him a bottle of beer. I will then politely explain to him why he cannot have my weapons, and that I really don't see the reason why law abiding Americans need to lose their lives to defend a right that he swore to uphold and isn't carrying through.

>TLDR: The US Military is not going to fire on civilians unless fired on.

>>31350288
Just like the cops, right?

>>31327681
>shoot it in the roof with an RPG
yea,just get atop your tower block.....oh wait, it's not like US homes usually don't even have ceilings and are nothing more than glorified sheds.

>>31327588
Quickly weld together few czech hedgehogs.

Abrams doesn't have standard issue dozer blade, they will have to call non-armoured engineering vehicle or get old engineering versions of M60 running again.

>>31347459
Depending on which 75mm but for instance German L70 one using APCR round with tungsten core could do some 200mm RHA at 100 metres or so.

I'm pretty sure it's enough to say goodbye to Abrams' engine block.

>>31334312
Armor has improved since then, up it to a delta elite and you're GTG.

>>31334632
Yet more proof Army is filled with low IQ faggots. Should have joined the Marines, senpai.

>>31334996
Nigga this isn't gundam....

Go innawood.

>>31334717
You do know that there is no US plant still making this, right? All you now have are some smallish reprocessing sheds that only mix the stuff.
>>31334851
Really? It hasn't crossed your mind that all these commercial RC stuff operate only on a very limited bandwidth that's stupidly easy to jam?

>>31335727
Luckily for them those houses are horribly built shacks that are located mostly in wide open spaces in most cases they won't even have to send in the tanks or the military, a simple commercial slightly armoured bulldozer will wipe an entire suburbia in less than a day with all hands lost. And don't think that they don't know how to do that, their masters, the kikes, have been doing that since forever.

>>31334583
ATF/NSA/FBI please git and stay git

>>31334773
That's the system that tells you your ship's about to sink, so no.

>>31332936
Tanks have infantry escorts for this exact reason

>>31327690
>Be 19a
>plow my platoon of tanks into Senate's chamber
>pop out of hatch smoking cigar
>"So, I officially run the United States now. Whose going to stop me? The people that don't own guns?"
>senate finally realizes that the reason the population is armed is to prevent military takeover.
>heroically acknowledged for preventing civil war II
>commander puts me in for msm
>battalion commander downgrades to arcom
>brigade commander downgrades to aam
>general downgrades to coa
>s1 fucks up paper work and I get an article 15 instead

>>31350302
In my area, the cops wouldn't confiscate either.

>>31333522
Crow can't aim that low nor can coax.

Their tc is a coward and should have been out the hatch with an m4 shooting dismounts and navigating the tank

>>31350707
Yes, they will, if theirs and their family's welfare would be put into question.

>>31334490
>>31350630
>>31350630
Close-In-Weapons-System. CIWS.

>>31333740
Just hangout at a strip club near base and you'll find them.

>>31336437
There's like 1 cop per 10,000(?) American. There just isn't enough federal manpower to do so.

>itt butthurt republicans/anarco capitalist/lolbertarians thinking they can ever remove the all powerful government cock from their asses

Is simple, either you comply or you get branded as terrorist and die, your word unheard as you are just a lowly terrorist

>>31350716
LOL, you clearly have never worked in LE in some parts of the US.

By and large, most cops would "follow orders", but there are a lot that wouldn't.

>>31334027
Let me know when get the last of the Taliban, AQ, and isis out of the middle East, buddy.

>>31334228
Why are 13 series guys always overly dramatic faggots?

>>31335448
>out-skilled

probably fucking not.

>>31334632
Let me guess, Oregon/Washington National Guard? You're pathetic, probably stolen valor, and gay.

>>31335546
Leave the Military then, faggot

>>31334615
Not at all only really from the underbelly or the top if you can manage that but from the sides I don't think a kill has ever been confirmed from a EFP only mobility kills.

>>31350872
This desu