2nd Sino-Japanese War

>>31321341
>would they use nukes?

Did somebody say Electric Boogaloo?

>>31321341
>Would China be able to invade Japan?
Certainly

>Would they use nukes?
I could imagine limited use of clean tactical nukes but not on population centers.

>>31321457
what constitutes a clean nuke?

>>31321341
>If no US
Probably.
>If US
50/50, only to be pushed back.

>>31321341
Quite badly for the Japanese.

Their island has no strategic depth and China doesnt even need to invade to bring them down.

Missile bombardment from the depths of China's interior is enough.

China has thousands of their missiles and production facilities stored in their 3000 miles long underground great wall tunnel network, which actually turns their country into an arsenal by itself.

>>31321490
Minimal fallout. Nuked area immediately habitable.

I summon Oppenheimer.

>>31321341
The Second Sino-Japanese War already took place (1937-1945) and nukes were used.

The First war was in 1894-1895.

>>31321341
>what would a war between China and Japan look like.

I imagine to most of the people fighting it it would look pretty slanted. Like looking at a camera with a fish eye

>>31321758
Is that a black or white bordered magic card?

>>31321341
China wouldn't dare touch Japan considering we have bases there as well as in Korea.

>>31322021
The US wouldnt be able to do anything about it.

>>31321341
It'll turn out pretty bad for glorious Nippon if they don't start putting magazines on their rifles.

>>31322065
Im pretty sure thats what the nips thought when they bombed pearl harbor

>>31322080
He's right, you know.

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>>31322080
The nips didn't have a the most advanced ICBM and shore to ship missiles in the world and the industrial capacity to produce thousands of them either.

*Third
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

>>31321341
I don't see an invasion as very feasible, at least not any sort of quick one. China would most likely lose too many amphibious vessels to attrition to have enough transport capability left to land a sizeable invasion force. Japan has a sizeable amount of mobile ground-based anti-ship and anti-landing craft missiles, as well as a very capable maritime strike aircraft in the F-2. The JSDF would of course eventually be destroyed as an effective fighting force, at which point China could start work on an invasion, but this would take enough time for the US and most likely several European nations to move a sizeable amount of forces into the area and shut it down.

Obviously with nukes it's a different story, but that's hardly likely. So is this whole scenario as well of course, so I guess you could say it could happen.

>China invades Japan
>Gets economically crippled by all their trade partners outside of BRICS
>Possible starvation of the populace
>India goes on full mobilization
>US, UK, Australia, France, Korea and possibly India and the Philippines show up and start dickslapping China
>China gets buttfucked to death because they suck shit

Literally zero possibility China could invade Japan without dragging most of the western world into it

>>31322113
Do they have Liberty prime

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>>31321984
Critically underrated comment

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It can only end badly for the nips

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Imagine you're a General in the PLA. Your CCP overlords have your family under house arrest. You need to make results before the US can fully mobilise their Third and Seventh Fleets.

Now imagine you're tasked with assaulting and capturing THIS.

What do?

China never beat Japan in a war and historically China had more troops, ships and sometimes even better tech until the Japs westernized themselves during the late 19th century.

>>31322065
The US has an absolute shitload of hardware and manpower permanently stationed in Japan and is treaty-bound to protect it in the event of an attack. It was a pretty big deal in the cold war because it was in the perfect location to pressure the soviets from the east.

There's basically no way the Chinese could quickly dislodge the US from Japan without a surprise tactical nuclear strike on every major base, and several of those are in dense urban areas. It would be geopolitical suicide, assuming there wasn't a massive, immediate strategic nuclear response from the US and all of NATO, who would get dragged in because it was a nuclear attack on soverign US soil (the US never relinquished the land they hold on Okinawa after WWII). So unless they feel like going out in a blaze of glory and taking everyone with them, that's out.

Ignoring NATO for simplicity, failing to dislodge the US quickly means the Chinese are competing against a nation fighting a defensive war with 4.5th gen air superiority aircraft, with assistance from the USAF at Kadena which is only about 300nm from manland china. The 3rd Marine Expeditionary unit is also based in Japan. There's also the US forces in South Korea which are far from trivial and, assuming NK doesn't join in on the fun, could easily cause severe problems for china from that direction.

Furthermore, it's entirely contingent on the chinese army being capable of sustaining a massive amphibious operation (of which they have almost no experience) logistics chain (also no wartime experience) through the JMSDF and USN(who would be in theatre in a big way within 96hr), both of which are exceptional forces.

>>31321457

Shut up about your pseudoscientific weapons, faggot. Nuclear is by definition, not a "clean" weapon.

>>31322065
>3.33 Yuan has been deposited in your account

In all seriousness though, China wouldn't dare step on the US, they know they'd get skullfucked back to the 1950's pretty quick, and no one would do anything to stop it. Hell, the Russians might even get in on the party to try and snatch up some of that sweet sweet Manchurian land they've had a boner for since the 30's.

>>31323006
Stalingrad 2: Nipponese Boogaloo

>>31324606
this

>>31321341
>2nd Sino-Japanese War
You mean the Pacific War?
OP what you're referring to is the 3rd Sino-Japanese War, the 1st was when Japanese BTFO the samurai and got Muratas then massacred the Chinks over Korea.

historically the Chinese have been pretty shit at war

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>>31324716
USA
>Lost Cuba
>Lost Korea
>Lost Vietnam
>Lost Iraq
>Lost Afghanistan
'''''''''''''world's most powerful military'''''''''''''

>>31324738
>Lost Korea
Wrong. Absolutely wrong. What country are you? Do you have British education?

>>31321341
USA would nuke China

>>31321368
>Did someone say Electric Boogaloo?
First post best post

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>>31324716
China and NK alone pushed South Korea, America, the UN and the Commonwealth back past the DMZ. I'd say they're pretty fucking good at war.

>>31324802
yeah you sure got him bro, definitely won that one! Except that little blotch called North Korea, but that doesn't count considering china had the technological and economical advantage!

>>31321758

Construct additional pylons.

>>31321341
>Would they use nukes?

Only if they wanted the conflict international. Japan has no nukes to retaliate, which means the mobilization of the U.S

.>>31321688

Top kek my dude.
The earth will still have to be bulldozed. Same can not be said to anything chinese.

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>>31324874
>Manpower
>Good at war

>>31324874
lol

>>31321964

Underrated

>>31324975
USA had the most infantry in 1951

Try again champ

>>31325109
Fuck off

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bloody ww23 I think about now .,

>>31323363
The US simply isn't willing to commit literal suicide over a piece of land in someone else's backyard.

>>31321341
It'd be the Third Sino-Japanese War. It would end inconclusively on the ground, if there was even ground combat, and likely Japan would be able to hold its own on the sea and in the air. Enough to prevent an invasion of any size, anyways. China wouldn't really stand to gain anything by nuking.

>>31321457
In case of a war where nukes were used, I doubt it would be limited to Japan. It would be an Asian war or a world War. In which case China would probably use clean nukes on major centers with reckless abandon. Most non Chinese underestimate how much the Chinese hate Japanese.

We really need flags on /k/.

>>31326171
But then you'd know that 90% of /k/ is nogunz roleplayers

>implying the Chinese wouldn't get their shit pushed in

>>31321341
It's mostly going to be a short sea fight, some casualties, and then bilateral ceasefire declarations.

Modern East Asians aren't like Sandniggers who fucking go to destructive wars at the slightest excuse.

>>31326171
>implying you wouldn't be disappointed by the amount of Americans saying stupid shit
>implying you wouldn't be disappointed by the amount of Europeans saying stupid shit
>implying you wouldn't be flabbergasted by the amount of Australians saying stupid shit
Why would you want to do that to yourself, anon? Right now you can still pretend.

>>31321341
2nd Sino-Japanese War was from 1937 to 1945.

>>31322499
That would be pretty based.

>>31323006
Man modern Tokyo as a Warzone would be fucking insane.

>>31323006
>What do?
I'll give you a hint: it starts with a C, and end in hemical Weaponry.

>>31321341
well considering that Japan in fact lost the 2nd Sino-Japanese war (1937-1945)...

>>31323006
by starting in Yokohama, blockading the Tokyo Bay, cutting off all roads to Tokyo (including railways, especially Shinkansen), setting up a land-based air defense network around the city to prevent the Japanese from creating an air bridge.

>>31321341

there wouldn't be a war. politicians from both countries are too busy posturing just like their counterparts from the rest of the world

>>31324738
>Lost Cuba
Correct.
>Lost Korea
What? No.
>Lost Vietnam
Debateable. We got the North to sign a treaty of non agression before bugging out. They went back on the treaty and invaded the south after we left. But now Vietnam as a whole is a democratic country, so theres that.
>Lost Iraq
No.
>Lost Afghanistan
Hah, fuck no.

>>31328557

> Vietnam as a whole is a democratic country

so that's why my co-worker had to stuff a $20 inside of his passport just to skip the line and get it renewed?

>>31325945
We are talking about a foreign power invading a linchpin ally of over 100 million people and a GDP of 5 trillion. If the US did nothing, it would not only lose japan, it would lose every fucking allied nations confidence in them.

>>31328611
>so that's why my co-worker had to stuff a $20 inside of his passport just to skip the line and get it renewed?
there is corruption even in democratic countries, the two aren't mutually exclusive

>>31325945
There's no reason such a conflict has to go nuclear. The US has no reason to do so, and the Chinks would only do it if troops literally start landing and marching towards Beijing, and I doubt either the US or Japan would be willing to entertain starting that clusterfuck.

>>31328657

having such an obvious from of corruption is a sign that the country isn't "democratic"

>>31321758
>Oppenheimer
Haven't seen him in a while, which is a shame. I quite like his threads.

>>31328697
He popped up after the "just as planned" coup in Turkey.

If the US doesn't get involved, Japan is toast

If the US gets involved, China is toast.

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>>31321341
>Would China be able to invade Japan?
I hope so. I also hope they'll exterminate all the fucking tojos afterwards as we should've done 70 years ago.

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>>31328697
He doesn't trip unless he's in a nuke thread.
You know, the way the codes are supposed to be used

>>31328697
He's been around a bit lately, pretty sure he was in the last China vs Japan thread. He rarely actually makes a thread now though, he only did so the last time to shut up all the wild /pol/-tier speculation about t*rks getting nukes.

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>>31322113
>Most advanced

>>31324738
We're not talking about the US, dumbfuck.

You chink shills are masters of deflection, aren't you?

>>31329803
>You chink shills are masters of deflection, aren't you?
As with most Chinese things, they're just a pale imitation, of vatniks in this case.

>>31326230
Literally no one is surprised about the stupid shit that comes out of an Aussie's mouth.

>>31328947
You'd take having chinks over nips..?

>>31324874
Wasn't that first big push a result of the US pulling most of their forces out? If i remember correctly the soviets specifically told the chinese/nk to wait until the US forces pulled out for the most part. Plus the NK army creeped closer and closer to the 38th which was seen simply as a defensive maneuver, when really it was to wage war.

>>31321341
BYOG
G=glasses, gloves

>>31329803
>>31329830
What does China earn exactly from paying trolls to type very clever funny comments on a place like 4chan's /k/?

>>31321341

no such thing as nukes kiddys

>>31330349
Free, consequence free practice in a very hostile environment representive of primary targets; news comment sections, online blogs, etc.

>>31321341
Sino-Japanese war in modern times would primarily be the JMSDF and US military having a missile launching field day with China which would end in a nuclear exchange between China and the US

It would be a pointless war that would cripple the world's economy and cost billions of lives

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>>31324874
come on my man

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>>31321341
>2nd Sino-Japanese War
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

cmon nigga

>>31328557
Vietnam. A democracy. On what planet do you live.

Afghanistan. Not lost. As long as the UN is here, Afghanistan isn't completely lost. Should it leave... Iraq is the same. It can only survive through western aid. If the west leaves...

the go pro footage would be fantastic

>>31321341


>Would they use nukes?
China?
Only if they are trying to solve urban overcrowding.

>>31321457
>clean tactical nukes
A what?

>>31332177
a tactical nuke that's been through the car wash.

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>>31324738
sure wuan yi, if that makes you happy.

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>>31332350

>>31326171
>need

Kill yourself

If it were China and Japan only, as China I'd just blockade the hell out of Japan. China has a fuckton of cruise and ballistic against which Japan has no numerical chance after they shoot down the first 2000 missiles. Japanese airfields and docks would get smothered in explosives and be out of action in a few weeks, if not faster. Japan isn't that far from China and much of it lies within operational range of Chinese aircraft and missiles stationed IN China.

As Japan, I don't know. It'd be a war of attrition which Japan is destined to lose. The entire existence of the JSDF is just to survive long enough for the 7th Fleet to get involved and if they don't, Japan is fucked.

Ironically, the situation is similar to that of the Second Sino-Japanese War, but with the roles reversed.

>>31323006
Sweet lord, unless you are willing to nuke, use chemical weapons or starve the whole city to death, there is no chance of controlling such a gargantuantic megacity...

>>31321341
>Would China be able to invade Japan?
No because USA

>Would they use nukes?
No because USA

>>31332163
>>31332177
Oh shit the dark magic worked, Opp showed up.

>>31322499
>>31327920
>Literally zero possibility China could invade Japan without dragging most of the western world into it
Boxer Rebellion Part 2

>>31332638
Boxer Rebellion, Part 2 Boogaloo: The Natives Have Cruise Missiles, Fuck

It'd be a terrible idea. The only reason things like the Eight-Nation Alliance was possible is because the Chinese lacked a modern military.

YO'URE ALL FAGGOTS
CHINA STRONG AND DEFEAT JAPAN
HAAAHAHA

In the real world, china can't win. In a bubble, japan can't win.

>>31323006
wew lad, Tokyo have a bunch of secret bunker too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqhxQUaQzws

It would be like the movie ants, Chinese soldiers linking together to make bridges. Japan is so cucked they would fall within a week tops of the Chinese invasion

>>31321341
Why wouldn't they use nuke?

>>31332555
>blockade
From where exactly?

Also just because Japan didn't build nuclear weapon doesn't mean that they couldn't build one. They have the resources and technology to develop their own nuclear weapon and building a nuclear weapon isn't explicitly prohibited in Article 9 of J-constitution. They could just say they needed it for Japan Nuclear Self Defence Force and it would pass the Diet, especially when the chink went full retard

There's also that Japan are able to keep parity with China despite spending less than 1 percent of their GDP on self defence. God knows what would happened when japan finally go super saiyan and spends 20 times the amount of present allocation on SDF

If China really wanted to beat Japan, they need to exhaust each and every nuclear weapon that they have and destroy every single japanese in each and every prefectures, municipalities, townships and hamlets, which then would makes them vulnerable to not just the US, but also Russia and India

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>>31337365

Actually the world at large considers Japan a nuclear power because they allegedly have the ability to manufacturer a nuclear device in the span of only several months if they so desired.

That's what I heard a long time ago at least.

>>31337381
This is old. Japan had used digital camo pattern since 2010

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>>31321341
>How would a war between China and Japan turn out?
An invasion of Japan by China wouldn't happen for the simple reason that the US is there in force.
The US would back Japan to the hilt, and it would most likely end in a stand off, with neither side being able to strike decisively at the other.

>Would China be able to invade Japan?
With the US presence in Japan, the risk would be far too great.

>Would they use nukes?
If it came to nukes, I'm certain China would pay special attention to Japan.

The far more likely scenario is a limited conflict over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, the South China Sea, or the invasion of Taiwan. There is simply nothing for China to gain by invading Japan, or even going to war with it.

>>31323006
>Imagine you're a General in the PLA. Your CCP overlords have your family under house arrest
If this is what you genuinely believe China to be like, you are just as ignorant to what China is, as a Chinese peasant is to the US.

Know thine enemy.

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>>31337381
>>31337391
>fearsome airsoft samurai

>>31337428

I've been posting these pictures for like two months and you're the first person to actually point it out.

Good job.

>>31337394

It's not really issued in any significant amount. Especially to the JGSDF. They're still using the Speckled shit like they have for years.

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>>31337455
No way in hell they're issued comtacs and modern rucks when they're still circulating PASGTs and ALICE harnesses.

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>>31332671
>The only reason things like the Eight-Nation Alliance was possible is because the Chinese lacked a modern military.
So nothings changed then :^)

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>>31337487

The airsofters are way better equipped. I mean, they buy this gear from manufacturers that make them to Mil-Spec like J-Tech and LEM but I've never seen a real Japanese operator run any kit like that.

The rank and file may buy one thing or two (the LEM shoulder pouches are popular for example) but that's about it. Otherwise they still use the ALICE and that weird PASGT clone they all have.

Only recently did a majority of them even get issued those Interceptor-Style MOLLE vests. Half the pouches are ziptied or attached with ALICE clips though because they barely have anything to put on it otherwise.

Pic-Related. This is a real JGSDF Ranger and his POG kit.

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And another.

Sometimes you'll see some put together JGSDF guys who have their shit on lock like the one you posted, but a majority according to what I've heard from a lot of Marines that train with them are giggling school girls during exercises half the time.

>>31337561
Retention is a huge deal for them in terms of gear, I can't even imagine the punishment for losing something in the field.

Can't do anything about it when there's negative connotations about enlisting and the budget is being blown on dumb shit, I suppose.

>>31337602

It's weird. I want to believe that there are real deal Chris-Costa Samurais running around and we just never see them.

The only one I ever saw was this dude. Ichiro or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Zaz28WE9M

Tactical as fuck. I'm pretty sure he's a competitive shooter but the fact he's running guns like that in Japan land must mean he's hot shit.

>>31337619

I did some more research actually. Name is Ichiro Nagata he immigrated to America but because his primary language is still Japanese he writes and photographs for Japanese publications and is into IPSC circles as well.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he probably brings over students or hopefuls from Japan and/or Japanese speaking Americans to run the gun with on his ranch in America. Because I really doubt they'd give him any special treatment in Japan to be able to own AR's or anything like that.

>>31322667
Wtf, one minute later it's back to a balmy 72?

>>31337772
>72

>>31323006
The only way to capture it is to besiege it. Destroy the port installations and get your soldiers into positions where they can bombard them with artillery if somebody wants to rebuild, apply the same for airfields, intercept/destroy any transport heli/airplane.

The assaults needed to establish good positions will serve for smokes and mirrors for the government so I can save my family while the city will fall in no time.

>>31321681
>no strategic depth

I don't know, it's concievable that there could be some sort of resistance innamountains since Japan is full of the things

>>31328548
>including railways, especially Shinkansen

actually that's probably the least useful railway the Nips would have since it's useless for freight and can carry relatively few passengers

>>31337394
What digital pattern are you talking about? Why would they even need new camo? Their flecktarn copy is pretty damn effective for their environment.

>>31321964
came to post that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War