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First for America's Navy.

So if I'm navy reserves how would I go about becoming active duty

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Managed to grab an 11x op40, ship in january and I'm beyond stoked.

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>tfw failed the OPAT

>>31313799
When does the OPAT happen? What were you trying out for?

>>31313853
Everyone that wants to get in the Army has to take it now, along with everyone that has already enlisted but ships in October or later. It's some new shit. It'll eventually be implemented in all the other branches.

It's like an ASVAB, but for physical performance.

>>31312940
I do I improve my push ups and sit ups for the PFT in a short while? I have the calves of a golden God and run a 13:07 2 mile but I can barely pass the other two. For some reason our company exercises are practically all leg work

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>>31313792

Good luck Anon!

A lot of people in these threads post about pursuing stuff like Ranger, Special Forces, etc. Anyone here who's attempted and wants to share their experiences? I'm interested in how things turned out for Anons.

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>>31313792
Damn, nice... I've been meaning to do that or 18X. Just gotta train a little harder.

What are your PT stats?

>January
By then you would know if Trump won or not. I hate to ask this question but would you pull-out before your ship date if Hillary wins? Personally, IDK if I'd join if that was the case.

Does anyone have experience crosstraining in USAF
sra comms here had my heart set on eod but there are no slots at the moment
Also willing to answer any questions

Attempting UKSF reserve, pray for my knees lads

Anyone have experience with trades in the services? Specifically looking at Fitter Armament in the ADF but any trade experience with any service will be helpful.
Can't do the job I want apparently so that looks decent enough.

One interesting question is, if you originally wanted infantry or just anything other than what you do/did, how did you deal with seeing other people do the job you wanted?

I get that SERE probably isn't easy, but is there actually anything to "fail" about it?

>>31315889
Knew a bunch of guys who failed out at the sewing section

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Tell me about the GI bill, /meg/.

Is it carte blanche to study wherever you get in? Does it carry over to graduate study if you don't use it all on undergrad? Can you use it for international study as long as the school accepts it? How much red tape is there?

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>>31314662
90 push ups
80 sit ups
2 mile 15:40 :/

I hate running but I have around 4 months to work on the time, and regards to the would I pull-out if Killary won question, thats going to be a for sure no haha i couldnt give a shit about politics. I told my roommate the same thing last night and he goes "well you're going to be enacting out the will of politicians" and as gay as it sounds I put it like this "I'm just a dog on a leash that wants to be set loose". I just want to fight.

>>31316939
There are a couple schools in England that take it, but I think they're the only ones.

Who /35m/ here?

Any other vets in here thinking about going back? I think the cutoff is 35yo. Former 11B in 82nd got out in '09. Been looking at contractor stuff a little bit. I graduated last year and working in an office is killing me slowly ha-ha...

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Anybody tell me what the border patrol is like as a branch, is it comfy like air force and navy or what

>>31315889
Evasion and resistance portions.
Source: SERE C+ grad

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new in from Yemen
https://youtu.be/haqKRsjaaBE
'Yemeni forces break into Fawwaz Saudi post in Najran' (with youtuube subtitles)

new in from Iran peshmerga
https://youtu.be/u3f5-ugCt_U
https://youtu.be/P_anxYYjTuU

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>>31317569
>still not sure what happend here

>>31317375
Working on my asvab scores to improve so i can qualify for 35G, math is just fucking hard mang

At the airport waiting for my plane headed for Georgia
Going to Fort Benning hold me famalam I'm scared.

Is 0311 available in the muhreen reserves?

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>concerned that lying at meps will prevent me from being a cop later in life

>>31318104
>101 degrees

how are you so poor that you willingly live in places that see temps above 90 degrees

>>31318148
Georgia is great

I'm literally on a plane to USCG basic as we speak. Any tips for a balls in my throat, nervous recruit?

>>31317398
Came in during the surge in 08' and I ETS in a few months. It has only gotten worse since I've been in.

>>31318177
It is not. You just haven't been anywhere good.


It definitely is not great anywhere where it gets that hot. If you were in coastal Georgia you might have an argument.

>>31314327
An anon recommended ab ripper x for me, really helped

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>>31313792
>>31317189
>Managed to grab an 11x op40
If you come back to this thread can you explain what the "managed" part means, like did they give you a hard time or something? Is it tough to get cause everyone here acts/talks like they hand those and 18x contracts out like candy to sucker in free dropouts for other MOSs.

Also, did you have to take this OPAT that >>31313799
>>31313853
>>31314045
are talking about, can you give any incites about that.

>>31316939
>GI Bill
Using it as we speak. How the school does it is on a case by case basis. However, its easy as fuck to use. All i had to do was show the vets offics my class schedule and fill out some simple papers and bam, i was good. That simple.

Yes, some foreign schools will accept it but again everything is a case by case basis.

>>31317398
I am, using the Gi Bill as we speak and school is boring as all fuck.

>>31317480
>navy comfy
What?

>>31317927
Fuck math mang, I just wanna do Intel stuff math is 4 nerds

Good luck tho

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>>31317569
>new in from Yemen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ehW45KQRI

>>31316939
You can use the MGIB for most foreign schools, the Post-9/11 is more restrictive.

Is being an officer better than being enlisted? Other than pay.

>>31320942
Yes. Treatment, schools, responsibility, you name it. Faggots on here idealize being a joe because most of them haven't been on both sides of the coin or have even served.

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>my dream since I was a kid was to be a Commando
>I'm almost blind

kill me /k/
it hurts so fucking much

>>31320942
In every way; except maybe in SF or cyber, but they still make more money there too.

What do they look for in the most basic level of security clearance like secret? Thinking of going 19D.

>>31321233
That you weren't on a taiwanese turtle farming forum asking about clearances

>willingly signing away your life for some kikes in Israel
Why are militaryfags so fucking stupid?

>>31317375
Just graduated ait in June. Haven't been assigned to a unit. Do you have any questions on the training?

>>31321063
Unless you're an LT with nothing to do, it's WAY easier for Joe to get schools.

Im in the navy and ship in march for basic. Bro was army infantry and entire senpai including him forced me to promise never to join military if combat related. I want to switch branches to the marines. Im 18 with 93 asvab. What do I do

>>31321468
Did it just change senpai to senpai

>>31321487
Yes. It's been this way for a while now.

>>31321487
F a m. Not senpai

So I just joined the Canadian army, and when they called to give me the job they said I would receive and email. Well they called on Friday and I still haven't got any email, do you think I should call them? Or is this normal?

>>31321365
Tell me how joe goes to any useful school as an E4 and below.

>>31321365
>cherry picking one thing from the argument
What a faggot

>>31319338
Sorry I've been busy lol but if you're still here 11x Op40's are relatively hard to get, at the time of starting my application process 2 months ago 0 slots for 11x Op40 were open, there were other jobs that had Op40 attached but it was bullshit like Paralegal, Water Purifier and Parachute Rigger which only had like 1-3 slots each but then my recruiter showed me 18x and that fucker literally had 80+ slots lmao, So people picking up SF contracts isnt that hard to believe. I personally think 18x contracts are meant to recycle washouts into the needs of the army lol.

>>31319338
If that other anon doesnt reply about the OPAT I will by friday if you're still lurking MEG cus I leave for meps tomorrow so I'm sure I'll find out

>>31322024
They refresh in October, the start of the fiscal year. If you had gone then, they would have had a slot for you

My AF recruiter has been pretty slow as fuck in responding back to me. Three weeks in, and I've only taken the practice ASVAB with my results given from a camera phone and no followup. Just walking in and shooting the shit isn't an option - these guys are only in office during appointments.

Is this what you'd normally experience with these guys?

>>31322374
I got my slot 3 days ago lmao, the recruiter also said some bullshit about the Op40's usually come out in summer when all the high school grads get out and so I was like I should basically wait until next summer and they were like "well we didnt say that" lol and low and behold they called me friday saying they had one open

>>31317480
You're a Federal LEO, not a part of the military. Their 'bootcamp'/academy is a big fucking joke. Pretty easy to get in
>>31318104
Yeah, an have decent department that isn't in the sticks will DQ you for that shit

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So what are the chances that the navy will deny my waiver, since were in peace time? I know they're not as liberal with them as they used to be.

>>31313415
Talk to someone in your reserve center, genius. I'd bet my paycheck your CCC knows more than some chucklefuck on /k/.

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How come there is no CCT writing memoirs and shit? or guide-books?

>>31321468
You undesignated or got an A-School already? If your recruiter sent you undes with a 93 fucking ASVAB then he screwed you HARD. If you do have an A-School, then you're locked in. I supposes you could go IA if you REALLY want to go to the sandbox, but you'll still be doing in-rate stuff.

>>31321676

Mostly by being squared away and asking. I spent most of my junior enlisted years in schools. I actually got less schools as a NCO, since I was the one minding the office while my guys were at class.


>>31321695
It matters, because you gave the impression that officers get to spend time learning all sorts of skills when that isn't really true. Officers manage and grow the skills of their workforce, if they're taking school slots for themselves there's probably something fucky.

>>31317189
height/weight?

>>31322731
>any half decent department will dq you for that Shit

Damn.

>>31322389
You are one of literally dozens. Would you give the same attention to some faggot who isn't committed and only took a practice test?

>>31322910
6'
210
Cutting to 195 before I ship

>>31322024
>>31322597
Very interesting, I want an 18x that's why I asked so it sounds like good news for me.
How did getting the contract go?
Like we're you upfront and said I want 11x opt 40 no matter what or I'm leaving?
Did you go to meps and take the asvab first and then wait for the contract or in general can you just break down the order of events?

>>31322833
Dude schools aren't shit beyond a select few. As an "experienced NCO" you should know that. Quit perpetuating the myth that being a joe is better than being an O grade just because you were the former and not the latter.

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>>31322048
I'll be here my nig thx

>>31323133
U fat boi

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How does the marine reserve work exactly? It sounds like the national guard?

>>31323303
The reserves and guard are two different entities, while they may look the same on the outside with the one weekend a month bullshit. The reserves are federally controlled, the guard is state controlled and can be activated by the guvna

>>31323334
Hmmm... I have no idea which one would be a better choice. I mean, I'm not scared of the training, or being deployed or anything like that, I just don't want to be away from home for years at a time.

>>31323167
I would do your research on the 18x before you go, you're going to have to be in insane shape for the SFAS. In regards to the recruitment process and shit my recruiter kept bullshitting with me and I told him I'm willing to wait for as long as it takes for an Op40(more time to train lol) and they finally got me one a couple of days ago, the thing is they give you a test now that replaces the ASVAB called the PICAT and from what my recruiter said you wont need to take the ASVAB once you get to meps anymore but theres a time limit on how long your score is good for and since I've been waiting for that Op40 it expired and now I have to take the ASVAB at meps anyways haha

>>31323191
I'll shout you out bro

>>31323268
Always been a weight lifter not a runner lmao, Post ur stats

what are the odds of me getting non destructive inspections in the Air force?

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>>31323493
Very interesting, dont worry I'm no fool rushing into this. Ok so you took the picat and told me you'd wait and they got you the contract? So then you haven't even been to meps yet? I just wanna make sure so when I talk to a recruiter he doesn't fuck up the process. And he was able to see available contracts at the recruiting station? Above you said application, did you have to fill one out for rangers or something?
Thx again

>>31323510
Cool

>>31323334
The guard can be activated by the pres too, and it also receives funding from both state and federal

>>31323594
I'm the anon going to meps tomorrow, meps is the final say over the recruiter and everyone else but yeah the recruitment process is an application basically, you take a practice test then the PICAT then they ask you a series of questions, do paperwork etc, tell your recruiter what job you want and he'll show you whats available then when you guys agree on something he sends you to meps, meps is basically where you finalize everything and sign and swear.

>>31323594
Also regarding the ranger application there is none except for RASP which if you pass gets you in regiment.

>>31323709
Ok, I know about meps just not this new stuff. I was navy from 10-14.

>>31323754
Ok so hell yeah, yeah apparently they're trying out a lot of new shit so when I asked friends of mine particular questions about the initial process they didnt even know what I was talking about lol

Anyone know what it's like to be a culinary specialist?

>>31323779
Ya that makes sense.

>>31323787
>culinary specialist
In the navy right? Ya you do a shit load of cooking and almost nothing else. Its easy cause thats all you do, but its boring/hard again because thats literally all you do.
If you are only doing 4 and getting out to be a chef or use the gi bill than it aint bad, but if you want to stay in choose something else cause their advancement is trash and they get no bonuses.

>>31323410
That's exactly what a deployment is m8

>>31323750
Is RIP called RASP now?

>>31323884
>If you are only doing 4 and getting out to be a chef or use the gi bill than it aint bad, but if you want to stay in choose something else cause their advancement is trash and they get no bonuses.

That seems like solid advice. Thanks bro.

>>31323906
I know, but let me put it this way, id like to try to avoid it as best I can. Not for fear of getting kill, but I have elderly family members I take care of. Even going to boot is longer than id like to be gone. To be honest, I really only wanna join because I want to see if I can do it.

>>31323929
No prob man, can i ask which are you doing, chef after or Gi Bill? Whats your reasoning for wanting to be a CS?

>>31324004
If being gone for only 2 months is worrying you, id say dont join man it aint for you.
Forget about your old ass relatives, they had their time, dont let em ruin yours. Fuck em.

>>31324028
>fuck em

I would agree with you 100% in any other instance.

I owe them something... It's a long story, but it's the least I can do after what they've been through with my mother. It's a really long story.

>>31323922
Yup

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Just found out my country has a separate tax rate for secondary income. Im joining the reserves in a month and my income will be taxed at 45%. This is shit as my primary income aource will only be taxed at 30%. Why would they do this it makes no sense!?

>>31324484
Hard work needs to be punished...

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>>31312940
If you go Navy OCS as a Surface Warfare Officer, do you get any kind of say which kind of ship you are placed on? What are the hardest ships to work on? What are the least selective?

>>31312940
This might be a dumb question but;

PFA for the ADF requires a significant Beep Test time, which requires a 20 metre strip to practise that I don't have. Can I safely just train in HIIT and do a couple of run throughs in a public place before I attempt to enlist, or should I nut up and just join a PCYC or something to train it there early?

>>31312940
I always wanted to serve my county, but I have basically been cock blocked because uncle sam doesn't think it needs me.

>tfw when I first wanted to join I was bi and had a boyfriend in high school
>being gay becomes okay
>too bad I became an even bigger faggot by taking estrogen and wearing skirts
>being trans is not okay but now I have aids from getting pounded in the ass too many times by chads.
>tfw having hiv will be cool one day but I will be too old by then.

I have a viral load of zero I swear!

>>31324656
Dis nigga for real?

>>31324609
>get any kind of say which kind of ship you are placed on?
Not on your first tour to the best of my knowledge.
>least
Carriers or LHD/LHA, the bigger the crowd, the easier it is to blend in. Avoid them if possible.

>>31321333
Yes, actually. Was it difficult? I know it's 6 months long or so, but I'm not really worried about it because it seems like you're learning some cool stuff. Did you learn cool stuff?

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>>31324668
yup .... sadly. Like you can't tell I have hiv now because the drugs are so good and standard hiv tests will show me as negative.

>>31324773
>>31324656
I unironically want you to kill yourself.

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>>31323133
I assume most of that is muscle right? I mean those stats you posted earlier are pretty good.

We're you some kind of jock in high school, shieeeeeeeeeet

>>31325036
correction:

pretty good for your weight****

>>31325036
>>31325046
Not him but what are you saying? Hes 6' hes supposed to be heavier. Plus his run time is absolutely horrible so id assume most of that is muscle.

>>31325281
That he's a big guy obviously

210 lbs @ 6 ft is huge, just google
>6ft 200 lbs
And you'll see bodies on par with what I imagine.

Judging by his stats, the 90 pushups part especially doesnt add up if he's a fatty, he wouldnt be strong enough to move that kind of weight around 90 times straight

t. 6ft 180 skinny fat

>>31325281
>>31325474
U-u-uh t-thanks anons...
No but seriously I've been a fat piece of shit up until this year I went from 280 to 210 and I know my run time is shit haha just trying to cut to 195 to move a little faster lmao

>>31323518
5'10 150 lbs

Wiry but strong

>>31323594
Opt40 is a ranger contract. It sends you to basic, AIT and airborne training, then finally RASP. Once you get past RASP you're a Ranger, but wash oits generally go to the 82nd airborne

>>31326217
>150
>wiry
>strong
Choose one, no but seriously what I wouldn't trade to have ecto genetics

>>31324484
>Muh free healthcare and schools
Think of the children anon

>>31326231
I heard they moved airborne until after you complete RASP or the Q course because people were dropping out after completing airborne

>>31324656
Fucking disgusting

>>31323176
Better is relative. The pay is a lot shittier but training is actually one of the upsides.

Protip: Most schools run by the services tend to be shit. If you want good schools, get the ones the contractors and civvies from agencies teach.

>>31326232
I started just shitposting at u but seriously, you'd be surprised what apparently skinny people can do

>>31326241
Just hearsay but

The army is actually perfectly fine with people deopping out of RASP, because it shows they don't have the willpower and desire to be a ranger, and that washouts do go to generally respected units, they aren't special operations qualified

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>>31326261
My best mate is skinny as shit but he's decently strong for being 135, can't run for shit though. I wonder what his heart looks like lol

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>>31325751
Hey if youre still here i was asking you questions before, got some more.
Did they give you shit for being a little heavy?

How about for having such a slow run?/no offense btw just curious cause im in your sitaution as well, i do powerlifting so im strong for my size but my run could definitely improve.

Also could you answer any of my stuff here>>31323594
Im just wondering the order, like i walk in, say i want an 18x, then i take the Practice asvab, then the PICAT, then he shows me available contracts, then i go to meps and pick it officially? Is that the process?
Again, i just wanna make sure cause i dont want some dirt bag recruiter trying to pull a fast on on me.

Again also, you said
>you're going to have to be in insane shape for the SFAS
That almost implies you dont have to be in as good for option 40, did you mean to make it sound that way or am i assuming to much?

Thx in advance.

>>31326282
Lol define strong, what are his lifts cause he looks like a twink and his shoulders are as small as my balls.

>>31326291
I am haha and no they didn't give me any shit, when I went to do the BF percentage test my recruiter made me take my shirt off and then goes "oh yeah, you're gunna pass" lol but they don't ask you how fast you run or such, I feel like they pretty much expect people to come in not being able to run a 16min 2 mile

And you pretty much nailed it as far as recruitment process goes but the thing is they're handing out 18x contracts like candy so you honestly should have no issue getting one, you're GT just has to be 110 or 115 I don't remember

and as far as the 18x vs. the op40 testing its on another spectrum, I have friends who went ranger and another who went sf and the q course vs RASP makes RASP look like a cake walk from what they said at least, don't get me wrong you still have to be in insane shape I just think there's a little more leniency with rangers.

>>31326294
Haha strong for his size, he's come a long ways, he seriously looked like an Auschwitz victim
Bench=155
Dead=225
Squat=215
Clean=115 or higher I forgot

>>31326282
Bodywise he looks pretty similar to me. I'm going opt40, but I want to gain a bit more body fat because RASP essentially burns all of it for energy.

As for running, he should get into it, it'll be alot easier for him than it was for you, and the stamina and endurance boost is incredible(you should know, you run too)

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>>31326332
>I just think there's a little more leniency with rangers.
That is very interesting cause based on what people say in these threads i thought the opposite. I believe you though.

>110 or 115 I don't remember
Well last time i took the asvab i got a 95 so im sure my scores were high enough so im not worried

>they don't ask you how fast you run or such
Wait, dont you have to do a physical test to actually get an option 40 or 18x though? Like actually show them you arent just some weak bumb? Im asking cause i remember for SEAL the way it worked was you signed up under another contract and while you were in DEP you voluntered to take the SEAL PST and if you scored well on it they scrapped your old contract and gave you a seal contract.

Again thx for the answers.

>>31326349
ok, he should eat a sandwhich or 2 though

>>31326332
RASP is just a qualifier, ranger deployment makes RASP look easy, and while not as challenging as SF on a mission to mission basis, you tend to roll outside more frequently

>>31326377
His metabolism is so high he's worried about losing muscle lol so he doesn't run, I always pick on him and say he has a lil bitch heart

>>31326401
I don't believe you do, to the best of my knowledge you were guaranteed the job you get regardless of what shape you're in, you're then given the APFT at the start of basic then another at the end of basic (which you have to pass) then another at AIT which I think you have to score 70 or above, idk where AIT guy is at but he could shed some insight if he's still around

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>>31326460
That is absolutely amazing, if thats true, I am now completely 100% convinced that Opt40 and 18x are without farm contracts to get people to fail out. I dont actually find anything wrong with that though, you should know what youre getting yourself into, i just cant believe thats true. Like you just waltz in off the street having never done a single pushup in your whole life and running like a 10min/mile and yet they give you a contract. Thats fucking insane, now i know why so many people fail out. If anything now i feel like im over prepared. I figured every person with a contract would be a complete fucking jock/stud maxing out the APFTs no sweat.

>>31326473
Like I said though lol to the best of my knowledge

>>31326473
Also I've seen some fat mother fuckers score an 18x contract that I know for a fact were pushing like 12min miles so I'm pretty sure this is the case

>>31326498
>>31326511
Wow well at this point im gonna assume thats true. I feel so much more comfortable now about getting a contract. You heard anything yet about bonuses coming back at the new fiscal year yet? You possibly getting one?

>>31326437
He's gotta run, lift and eat. If you do proper upkeep, and if he's up to it even muscle builing. Doing all that he would maintain muscle mass and get the benifits of running. Plus, with the increase of stamina and endurance lifting sessions can last longer at a higher intensity, so he'd effectively just be gaining muscle

>>31326570
If your friend has a high metabolism like you say its gonna take him a long time to get stronger. Also, you dont build muscle in the gym, you build it in the kitchen. You can lift for 3 hours a day but if you dont eat enough food you literally cant build muscle. What routine are you 2 doing?

>>31326473
RASP actually has a relatively low attrition rate and there is no over prepared for it. Sure, you could walk in off the street being an unathletic fatbody and get in, but it would not only suck worse than anything you've experienced before and even if you make it through with the rest you still might not make the pick.

The same applies to fit people, but with higher odds of being able to make it through and get selected.

RASP and SFAS are just entrance exams anyway, the real trial is not geting in, but staying in. It's better to overestimate than underestimate in cases like this

>>31326584
Replied to >>31326437

As a side note, it's not shear volume of the meal, but a balanced nutritionally valuabe meal

>>31326597
I know man i was joking about being over prepared. I obviously knew all that and wasnt actually man that im in good shape.

>>31326637
Ya never know. I guarantee some people legitimately think that's true

>>31326612
I'm a skellington too

I mean I'm motherfuckin' Skeletor

Before I visited a recruiter I was something like 116lbs, then I started actually eating and exercising a little bit. I got to 140 and passed MEPS, but I seem to be stuck at 140-145lbs now with running and doing some bodyweight exercises. I have to eat even more and I hate cooking.

As balance, I keep to eggs, bacon, oatz, bread, fruit juice, in the morning. Chicken or fish, yams/tatos or rice & beans, for lunch and dinner, with some high calorie snacks in between and a whey protein shake after running. Sometimes in the weekends I say fuck it and eat junk food. No activated almonds or free-range emu eggs, though.

You can ignore this post, I'm just blogging

>>31326759
Well only doing bodyweight stuff isnt going to make you heavier. Its very difficult if not impossible to put on size/weight without actually lifting weights. Your body will adapt to doing pushups and you will def be able to do more cause of muscular adaptation but your bench will barerly go up. If you want to get stronger and put on size you need to actually lift weights.
Also, if what you say about your diet is true and you are actually having that much difficulty gaining weight than you can resort to drastic measures, jsut mix in either Coconut oil or Heavy Cream and Peanut Butter with your protein shakes. This will easily add 300-500 calories to your shakes.

>>31326759
You are eating too much.

I have no idea why eating a normal amount seems to be a struggle for people. Eat around 2500-3000 calories a day. Exercise frequently, ensuring you beat the standards outlined by your recruiter.

You shouldn't need snacks or protein shakes or any of that other shit. The above method has worked fine for thousands of years, it's not a secret.

>>31315434
Join an orienteering club. I would also look into doing various challenges and long distance, good pace walks around the UK. Yorkshire, Wales and Scotland have some excellent opportunities for this.

You don't need to be an Olympic athlete, but you do need to maintain a level of fitness and resilience that takes time to acquire. It's completely different to anything else you'll have attempted.

>>31326782
>You are eating too much
Hes trying to gain weight you tard, hes underweight.
>The above method has worked fine for thousands of years, it's not a secret.
What method? Eat and workout? Wow youre an innovator. Please dont talk about things you dont know anything about.

>be inna navy
>start flight school in November
>been working out, trying to get bigger so I'm not scrawny when I show up
>stronglifts 5x5
>seeing pretty good gains on my legs, lower back
>discover I really like squatting
>still suck at bench, barbell row, and especially overhead press
>becoming disproportionate, legs are big
>small biceps and shoulders

Wtf do I do. My upper body isn't getting stronger as fast as my legs are. I just want to look like Iceman =(

>>31326860
You've achieved T. Rex mode

>>31326860
>>31326870
Your legs are suppsoed to big big, they are naturally long after all. Embrace it it isnt a problem, your upper body willy eventually get big as you get stronger. Dont believe /fit/ memes, women love strong legs and glutes on a guy.

>>31324651
Related question to beep test

The stopping and starting really fucks me up. Is there a trick to it, or is it just the worst thing about it?

>>31326759
I was stuck at 145 until a few months ago. Try GOMAD. 1 gallon of whole milk a day for 20 or so days. I'm now at 165lbs. You can do it m8. I was skeletor until right before I graduated college and commissioned.

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Shipping out to Parris Island on Monday, wish me luck! My original date wasn't until November but yesterday they called me and said they had a slot available so I just took it. Extremely short notice as I thought I had 2 months left to prepare, but now I'll be gone in 5 days, yikes. Anybody got a few tips or things I should know before heading out for bootcamp?

I'll be going on an Intel contract, hoping to go cryptolinguist (116 DLAB score) and spend some time in sunny California.

>>31327873
You PT about twice a week, and if your RSS PTs, the PT at your station should be harder than the PT at Parris Island. At least that's what some friends told me yesterday and they just got back from PI.
I'm a future marine as well, I was supposed to ship next Tuesday but I gave my date up to help out another. There is a chance I'll still ship next Tuesday, we have an IST this saturday and I'm going to pass it, but I don't know about a couple of the future marines who are shipping this month. If they fail I'll probably be offered the spot. So maybe we'll see each other.

I PT with my pool every day and double on Thursdays, so that's good news. Not to say it'll be easy given all the other circumstances, but I feel better about it physically.

>maybe we'll see each other
Yeah man, hope you do well on your IST. If you meet an average looking white guy named "Robertson" give me a shout haha

>>31327994
>>31327903
forgot to reply

>>31326759
Tbh ur not eating enough.

If you want to gain weight, while exercising well and having a high metabolism, you need to eat till it hurts.

My korean wrestling coach made us do that to gain weight. He wrestled at the world championships back in the day.

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>>31312940
MEPs sergeant tells me 09S (officer) serve six years everything I read tells me 3 years, branch does not incur extra years either, contract also says must serve minimum 3 years after commissioning, BOLC incurs no extra years either. Am I missing something or do do Sergeants, at MEPs not read the dam things. I don't know if I want to be a lifer yet just do my three years.

>>31326781
>>31328163
Thanks for the advice, fampais

>>31326883
I'll try that if push comes to shove

>>31326832
Actually 145 at 5'10" is good according to MEPS. Their minimum for 5'10" is 123 or something, which is insane. People can enlist in Auschwitz mode.

I'm aiming for 175 of lean weight at least before shipping in 4 months. The maximum is 195ish. People can exceed that if they're a beefcake and get taped

>>31326270
The Army is fine with dropouts, but gaming the system to get Airborne with no intention of ever going Ranger is why they would want to change it.

>>31328605

Depends on your contract, breh. Lots of stuff can add time. You can incur an ADSO for certain branches, assignments, and duty stations. 3 years is the minimum if you don't give a fuck though.

>>31328663
Airborne and Rangers do the same training up until RASP, which seperates the men from the manlier men, so taking a Ranger contract without the intention to go Ranger is stupid, because you don't get any extra out of it when you can just take an airborne infanty contract to get the same thing

>>31329220
I think what >>31328663
is implying/thinking is that a stand alone airborne contract is hard to get.

>>31322764
Because there are only ever 300 AD at any given time

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>>31312940
Hey /meg/. Got a couple questions for y’all.

Quick background so you know where I’m coming from
>Grew up in family where vast majority of men are US military officers, mostly USAF
>admire them terrifically, but didn’t think I was cut out for it myself
>Got a B.S. in engineering with the intent to work in military technology to support our military from the civilian side
>worked for 2 years at a firm
>did a lot of growing up in those two years (hasguns and CHL, getting /fit/, having car/apartment, etc.)
>realize I’m not actually the child I thought I was; just a late bloomer when it came to manhood
>want to enter USAF now, looking into OTS/OCS

If I’m going to serve, I want to fight.
So though I considered stuff like REDHORSE initially, I’m really leaning towards trying for something like PJs or CROs now.
Anything I should know before I even start down this route? How competitive are officer positions for those?

First Question:
How “ironclad” are the height/weight standards for officers listed here? http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/air-force-weight-rules.html
By my calculation, I’d have to drop to about 2% BF at my current muscle mass to meet this.
I know I’ll lose naturally muscle when I switch to running instead of my lifting routine, but this still seems extreme.
Marine E-6 buddy who I work with and work out with insists that they’ll waive that in a heartbeat as long as I can breeze through the PFA. Wanted a second opinion.

(cont.)

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>>31312940
>>31329544
Second Question:
What do enlisted guys think of officers who pursue OTS/OCS? As opposed to ROTC or the Academy?
On the one hand, it’s the closest thing to basic training of the three (I think). On the other hand, the ROTC/Academy guys spent 3-4 years becoming officers, while OTS can just be a few months.
Is this seen as the easy way in? Will I have that stigma coming in?

On a related note:
I’ve got nothing but respect and admiration for enlisted guys, and genuinely don’t see them as “lesser” in any way.
I enjoyed working with the blue-collar guys at my engineering firm just as much as the white-collars.
Do y’all have any advice for me to avoid the two extremes of “arrogant/stuck up” and “pandering/trying-too-hard-to-make-friends-with-the-enlisted”?

Are y’all cool with officer-related questions here? I didn’t see another general for it.

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Want to join the british army as an irish person but dont want to be murderd when coming home, how hard would it be to get a self defence handgun?

is it hard to get into america?

if im a UK citizen can i live in any part of the UK?

>>31329544
You can tape out, meaning if you're say overweight but pass tape you can probably get away with it. I don't think AF asks for APFT scores before applying.
Non-rated or rated? They're actually accepting a lot of applicants >50% last few boards
Rated is the NFO (whatever the AF calls it) and aviator with drone pilots and something else, non rated is everything else

>>31329544
lol

>>31326282
faggots

>>31329602
>hard to get into America
probably
But if you somehow manage to get a green card, you're set.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/questions/foreign.html
https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/naturalization-through-military-service-fact-sheet

>>31329841
so get a green card then join the US military to get citizenship?

>>31329871
The way green cards work here is that you actually need a legitimate reason to be here. It's usually, "I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me", or "I am a refugee from Southeast Asian shithole", or "I got a job in America."

I'm sure the military as an employer is not exempt from handing out greencards, but I seriously doubt they're hankering for guys right now.

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>>31329905
i look into it more when the time comes, america is confusing,

>>31329905
there's also this:
http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/additional-incentives/mavni.html

>>31329943
Anything involving bureaucracy is confusing. Even moreso when you involve citizenship.

>>31329220
A lot of times it is easier to get an Option 40 than an Option 4, especially as a support MOS.

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Army just rejected my health waiver after 11 months of waiting.

Gonna drink myself into a coma tonight and go the marine recruiter tomorrow.

Fuck.

>>31330257
>health waiver

what you got?

>>31330279
An eight year old diagnosis for insomnia that was attached to a record of some obvious stitches they asked about. Everything snowballed into making me seem insane.

Sergeant subtly recommended I not bring it up if I go to the marines.

>>31328749
I know I found the ar350-100 or bible concerning adso, basically man I am college option OCS, right now leaning towards doing the three and diving, I want to serve but also want to be a cop afterwards so I am thinking I just do the three and then go reserves. I thought i be the lean mean killing machine but law enforcement really been speaking to me, want wither MP or MI

Can one get a 0317 slot straight from the recruiters office? Or do you have to go 0311 first, then switch mos to 0317?

How hard is CTN A school? I'm black

Went to MEPS and had the physical done, but I forgot my glasses and they had to do my vision test uncorrected. Naturally, I did shit. Went through the rest of the day, signed the contract, took the oath, all that jazz. Got back to my recruiter and we looked over the job list, and come to find out that my poor vision test screwed me out of all the aircrew jobs I was interested in. Recruiter said he wasn't willing to send me back to MEPS just for a vision re-do, so I figured I ought to just sign the contract for a different job.

Now I'm kind of wondering if there's any way I can just get in with a different recruiter who might be more willing to send me back to MEPS. How binding is the oath of enlistment and the DEP contract?

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5'11 skinnyfat here at 168 lbs. Would i even be taken into like the army?

currently just started nursing school but i always considered the military a backup option

pic related me pretty much dehydrated

>>31312940
Is basic pretty much no fap?

>>31331697
Damn it I thought it was gonna be one of those transition into a penis girl pic.

>>31331697
i dont have an answer for you, but good for you, anon.

>>31331697
good job, anon.

now get a proper haircut and decide to grow to a beard or shave it off. Your boyfriend said that stubble keeps scratching his nuts in an unpleasant way.

>>31331697
I'm a 135 lbs skinny guy. You'll be fine; probably even great. The APFT is built for skinny people with just enough muscle. I'd recommend not doing it though. This has been the most miserable and unfulfilling thing I've ever done with my life and I can't wait to get out. It's nothing like you think it'll be.

Good work losing weight though bud. Fuck yeah.

>>31324656
Trust me, Uncle Sam does not need you

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>>31331697
>Rush

>>31324727
It's only 18 weeks long. It wasn't too bad, less than 10% failed either of the two big tests. When they retested half of those guys passed and the other half recycled (not to day 1, just to the next class). Written tests are a joke since they are all open book. As for cool stuff it all depends on what you deem cool. The first half of class is interrogations which isn't classified and it's logic arguments. The second half is classified as secret. You won't learn any secret squirrel type stuff that's for later in your career of you get lucky with a unit that will send you for more training.

>>31331711

You won't even want to until maybe the very end. There's usually stalls w/doors in the shitters if you get desperate, or you can hit up a platoon mate for a brojob.

>>31331818

MOS?

>>31331237
Pretty hard. Not the hardest. But it's a rate with a pretty high attrition rate.

If you don't know shit about programming, some math and how networking shit works, you should do some of that before joining. If you fail out, you'll be 'needs-of-the-navy'd ' and bust rust on a surface ship or some shit.

>>31327873
>Monterey
>sunny
I had a giggle. It's chilly and cloudy 90% of the time.

>>31330257
Either I'm not drinking fast enough or I'm more invested in this shit than I thought.

Uncle Sam pls.

Is it normal to freeball if you're infantry?

>>31332541
No, wear undies you fucking mong

I want to join the military kinda but don't want to fight for ZOG, what should I do? Anything similar?

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>>31327873
I'm out here but with AF
You'll regret it one day a week but realize our job is fucking cool.

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Chances of an oil crash in the next 6 years? Army contract is 6 years long in my country. Wondering if there is going to be any resource wars.

>>31333496

Not as such. None of the resource wars will be called resource wars Join as convenient.

Slightly off topic, but I'm taking the MA environmental police exam on Saturday. I doubt I'll get an answer, but anyone know if there are lockers on site, or should I leave my cellphone and wallet at home? Not leaving shit in my car in Worcester.

I realize that I'm asking to be spoonfed and that's not a good sign, but fuck it, we're not on the QP forum...

Do they give age waivers for 18x contracts? I'm 26 and I'll probably be 29 by the time I finish my PhD (mechanical/metullargy background in aerospace), but I think that's past the 28 y/o deadline. Thanks for helping a fucktard.

>>31333764
Go officer wtf

>>31333764
Pretty sure the age limit is 30 and yes there are waivers for everything in the military.

>>31333777
I'd rather not do one deployment then get off a team and thrown in a desk. It's not about money; I'll be able to make that later.

>>31333806
Okay, thanks. Just found some online stories (which must be true) of old crusty guys getting some waivers in.

Two questions: Anyone do a lateral transfer, and anyone get a graduate degree while in? Looking into joining the Navy as an officer. I want to be a Chaplain, but I don't have a graduate degree in theology. As my life is right now, I wouldn't have the time or money to pursue the degree, so I spoke with a recruiter who was almost too enthusiastic about how easy it would be to join as one thing, do a tour, get my master's in theology while in, and then re-enlist as a chaplain. I'd like some opinions of someone without a quota.

What are the chances that the airforce contacts anyone one on my personal reference sheet?

>>31331320
You fucked up

>>31317927
Dude do it. I love this mos so far.

I want to pursue an option 40 contract and become an airborne ranger. If I make it and get to regiment, how soon am I expected to get the tab, if at all?

my brother is together with a chick who lives in France. Considering I know her as a friend
would this compromise me getting security clearance

also what the fuck do they ask you for security clearance considering I spent much of my high school youth lurking 4chan seeing the worst this place has to offer

>>31331320
Talk to a different recruiter and see if they'd be willing to help you out. Do this well in advance of your ship date.
From what I gather, the oath isn't binding until you ship, but if you flake out on your ship day, recruiters will see you as a waste of their time.

>>31331697
Yeah they'd take you.

>>31334594
Pussyazz whiteboi

>>31334001
seriously. i dont keep in touch with anyone from 10 years ago

>>31334594
1) Is she an ISIS member?
2) There's no massive centralized database of everyone's internet history. The NSA doesn't have time for that shit.

>>31334781
well she is muslim but she is chill. Hates Israel

Will any amount of eczema DQ me? It suddenly started flaring up in the past few years, mostly around my neck.

I got DQ'd from the Army some years ago, and last week I decided to go snooping around to see if anything ever made it to MEPS. The Army was able to dig it up after a bit but apparently the Muhreens found nothing. Does this mean I might be able to go to a different branch and neglect to mention some things?

>>31335540
what DQd you?

>>31335566
Allergies.

So what do I say when they ask "Why do you want to join infantry"?

I obviously cant say because I wanna shoot ragheads

>>31335677
I always said it was the only way for my service to really mean anything. That military service is ultimately about putting yourself on the line, and distancing yourself from that is just devaluing the oath you made.

Marines put me in communications though, so fuck it.

>>31312940
Do I need a passport or whatever to fly to basic or does the army take care of everything?

>>31336681
i dont think you need a passport to fly in the same country

This isn't directly related to meg, but in college I lived with a roommate for 1 year that was from India. Will that hurt my chances of getting a security clearance?

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>tfw wanted to join army when young kid
>get into highschool
>no friends
>like hard rock music
>befriend hard rockers
>fall into a world of partying and booze
>now 26
>used to have drinking problem
>family has largely disowned me / thinks bad of me
>few friends I have left view me as a binge drinker
>have realization I don't want to live like this
>haven't touched anything in about 2 years.
>my reputation is still shot
>if they interviewed anyone that knows me for a security check they'd tell how much of a retard I was / think I still am.

I wish I could go back and kick my own ass... I really changed myself, but I really doubt they'd ever take me.
>Mfw

>>31336804
worth a try

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>>31335677
My recruiter asked me the same thing. I said;

>I'd feel like id be cheating myself if I didn't. When you think "marine" you don't think of a cook, or an ammo tech,
Or something like that. I'm not saying those aren't really important jobs, but I don't feel like id be getting everything the marine corps has to offer otherwise.

>>31333900
I got my Masters while in. I used TA while enlisted for it.

Sounds like you want to be an officer though. Any recruiter telling you to enlist in order to be an officer later is memeing you.

>>31312940
Aussie here did i fuck up by going reserves + uni rather than fulltime

>>31312940
Thinking of enlisting in the ADF when I graduate year 12

>>31334001
>>31334765
anyone know? How accurate does that shit have to be?

>>31336887
Is it for a security clearance?

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>talk to friend
>he referred me to recruiter
>go to office
>recruiter is a grill
>few years older than me
>she meets me at her door
>she's pretty as fug
>turns around to lead me to her desk
>dat ass iz phat
>think about trying to throw some game down
>look on desk
>has husband
>dude is jacked
>dontfeellikedying.jpg
>talk about enlisting
>need to get in shape, anon. I can set you up with a PT regiment.
>currently working on getting in shape

Will I one day have my own qt3.14 military wife, senpai?

>>31317480
>>31322731

BP is a federal LE agency, not part of the military. It's actually not that easy to get in, a lot of guys fail the artificial language test the first time. You also have to pass the background check. If you are a spanish speaker you can take a spanish proficiency test but be forewarned, if you are mexican or from any other spanish country other than spain, there is a good chance you'll fail because the test is based on colloquial spanish, not the gutter shit spanish that the people who hop the border speak (typical government stupidity) but BP is literally 50% mexican so it can't be that hard as long as you aren't retarded. BP academy is hard for non military but vets usually breeze through it. Also, much more academically challenging than basic training/boot camp because you have to learn laws and not just how to follow orders.

>>31334446
You need to go to Ranger school to get the tab, but not to be a Ranger. Officers in the regiment are required to complete the course, but it is open to enlisted, but you have to apply

>>31336928
>qt3.14 military wife
Ya if youre a cuck. Id bet my life shes been fucked on that very desk by one of the other recruiters.

>>31336804
Dude, 26 isn't that old to fix just about everything you've described. Just keep that in mind.

>>31336804
They won't bother interviewing anyone for shit unless it's for top secret. If you're still not sure, just go infantry or anything else that doesn't have secret or TS

You've been clean for 2 years so just say you drink casually

Friendly reminder that 35F is best route for those who either want to get into regiment or airborne without it being in their contract, and best MOS to have in case all goes to shit and you end up hating mil life.

Quick summary:
>35F, 3.5 year contract(one of the shortest), TS clearance, stupid easy job
>at AIT you can apply for rasp selections or airborne packet if your not a fuck up and can get at least an 80+ in each pt event. Its mostly 35M who are applying, so 35F has a shit ton of slots open due to most 35F having NEET bodies and lack of motivation to do anything more than what is required.
>if for whatever reason you end up hating being mil, you can cruise out your contract doing one of the most relaxed and easy office jobs for the shortest amount of time in a contract.

This is a good route for those who cant get an opt 40 in their contract, or just want the fastest way into regiment without having to deal with competition.

Furthermore, if you are seriously considering 35L, this would be the fastest route. All you need for 35L is 2 years TIS, E4 promotable(which is every e4), and a TS(not really, but it looks better). Also by being at ait in huachuca you have access to the GAFPB, which makes your record stand out when being considered for special shit.

>>31339291
>GAFPB
Whats this?

>>31336928
>marrying military people
not even once senpai
in fact
>being married in the military
NOT EVEN ONCE SENPAI

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>>31330257
Marine man said they're probably not going to look into my PULHES if I don't give them a reason to.

I think I'm back on track. Still a little upset I won't be a paratrooper.

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>>31330257
>litterally deaf
>marine corps just gives me a waiver
2 years later and my life sucks now but hey I earned the title

I'm currently looking at some IT options in AF, but Navy CTN seems to be more comprehensive in their training.

Does anyone have experience with the career field?

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>>31339065
I've largely fixed everything. Currently working a somewhat stable job; granted it's with people that know me from my party junkie days, but I don't touch that shit anymore. I really want to better myself.

>>31339131
Does this go for the marines too? I wouldn't mind trying that either. It would be like the ultimate "he turned his life around!" Thing, given the marine "prestige." I'm only interested in infantry for pretty much the same reason >>31336833 said. But, if I stay in long enough, won't I need a security check / clearance at some point, regardless of job?

>>31339408
German armed forces proficiency badge.

Its this gold/silver/bronze medal you can earn by taking the german army pt test.

>>31339475
I tell people here all the time that CTN is basically the best intel rate/MOS in the military. CTNs are top dog, the are the ones who work at all the super spoopy intel commands.
Plus great advancement, bonuses, career opportunities post military.

>>31339570
Whats the point though?
Like why is that even a thing and what does it do for you?

>>31339554
Not any of the people you responded to

But for the security clearance stuff, they only talk to the people you put on the form. And i wouldnt worry about what family say because when you do the interview(TS clearance) you can explain yourself to the investigator. Which is all that matters anyways.

>i joined with a dui, and no drivers license and reported i took heavy drugs and drank like a motherfucker.

If i can get a TS, you can get one. I doubt u did anything as bad as my one friend, who had a damned wanted poster for his arrest for alleged rape, and he still got in and got his TS even though police were still looking for him lmao. We are both in intel

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>>31326597
Last rasp class had a 22/139 pass.

>>31334446
Apparently you will go to ranger school after about a year in battalion, maybe sooner. It's also required to have a tab if you want to hold a leadership position in batt. If you fail ranger school you will be RFS'd from batt, but I remember a ranger on here saying that after you're rfsd you can try ranger school again then come back to batt

>>31335574
What kind of allergies?

>>31339291
Do you know if you can apply for rasp at 68w ait?

>>31339630
Did you tell meps about the drugs or just the security people

>>31339669
My buddy from basic is that graduating class, he's good dude

According to him the reason why the attrition rate is so high now is because they have too many infantry right now

>>31339630
This does ease conscience a bit. I never did anything too bad. I was just a huge idiot, and I would give anything to redeem myself.

>security clearance stuff, they only talk to the people you put on the form.

Not saying whether that's true or not, but isn't that working against them? Seeing as how a person can just put down people that have a positive view on them? I saw on the net after they talk to those people on your form, they ask them for other references? I don't think infantry would need something too serious, but I could be wrong. As long as they let me explain myself, I think I'll be ok.

>>31324656
Fucking disgusting, assuming it's not made up why even post this shit, just to make trannies look bad?

God dammit I need my recruitment officer to get back to me already so I can prove to the universe that we're not all shit

>>31339921
>just to make trannies look bad
believe me you do that fine on your own
Drop dead freak

>>31339981
Sure, just let me serve my country first

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>>31339630
>wanted poster

>>31340005
They dont want mentally ill/unstable people.

>>31340127
Guess I'm golden then

http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0616_transgender-policy

>>31336893
im not actually sure

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>>31340127
How does it feel to know trans people are serving in the military? Kys bigot, its 2016.

>>31340287
It feels bad to him obviously. Don't be an ass

>>31340287
How does it feel to be trans?
Kys mentally ill accident.

>>31340257
And?
Its the decade of PC, of course they have to say that. Do you honestly think people actually want you there though?

>>31339745
Peanut allergies. I've lurked in a few of these threads and looked through the archives and I've seen other anons talk about getting DQ'd for it.
>tfw I didn't really browse /k/ when I was trying to join and I don't think /meg/ existed back then anyway
Would've saved me a lot of trouble.

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>>31340353
Actually im not trans, im just not a transphobic bigot. Please kys, people like you can't function in modern society.

>>31340353
>Do you honestly think people actually want you there though?

I know for a fact they won't want me there. And I hope that after a lifetime of (ideally) model service, at least the people who I had the chance to work with might feel that not all trannies are shitty. I'm not expecting anyone to cater to me, I want to prove myself worthy of other's respect. I have no criminal record, I have no injuries, I meet all of the physical fitness standards already and if I keep it up until july next year when I can enlist I should be well past the averages for everything. I'm already used to living as a tranny, I'm not going to be phased by any shit I get. I have great accuracy with my ar-15 too if that counts for anything.

>>31340419
You're not doing me or people like me any favors with posts like that

When is the best time to call a recruiter? At what hours?

>>31340419
>bigot
>a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions
Ahahahahahahahaha

>>31340434
M to F or F to M?

>>31340419
>people like you can't function in modern society.
You realize im the majority an you are the minority right? It appears the other way cause liberals run talk shows and the media so they are jsut very vocal but the vast majority of people think trannies are insane.

>>31340445
Literally doesnt matter, what does is that you make an appointment not just show up.
>>31340455
Liberals are retarded and dont understand they shouldnt commit the crimes they are accusing others of.

>>31339763
They can, but it bouls down to if the recruiters are there, and how many people apply. You will be competing for a slot against every other 68w at that ait essentially

>>31339475
If you have to go Air Force, do 1B4. Army 35Q or 17C is also good.

>>31339606
Its a special snowflake medal that makes your record look good right out of ait. And they only hold testing at very few places. Huachuca happens to be one of the only places where you are pretty much guaranteed a chance to earn one.

>>31340270
>>31336893
how do i find out?

>>31340603
Interesting, is it hard to get? Do they only offer it at a few aits?

>>31340541
I'm MtF

>the vast majority of people think trannies are insane.
I don't think that's the case based on my experience. Pulling numbers out of my ass but I think it's something like 40% of people don't care or have no opinion, 30% of people think trannies are gross, 30% of people think trannies are ok. Maybe 5% of people have actually met a tranny in their life though, no one I know has ever met a trans person besides me, and I've never met one in person either.

>>31339780
Only security people. Meps is just a transition point to get past. They have nothing to do with security clearances. and the investigator doesnt say shit to meps. All your unit will ever see is whether you are good to go or not. They wont have all the nitty gritty details unless they specifically go into your record and look for it. But if youre that paranoid u can just shred your folder when you switch units. And then no one but the S2 security office can request a copy of your shit. And they only do that if you fuck up bad enough that they have to review your access

>>31340618
>40% of people don't care or have no opinion
thats a lie, they just dont want to be mean
>30% of people think trannies are ok
Also a lie for the exact same reason

The fact is if all those people had children they wouldnt want them to be trannies, if they were going on a date and found out the other person was trans they would cancel, they also wouldnt actively be friends with trannies either.

They are "ok" with it for other people, but not for it in there own lives. Its similar to a live and let live policy, just so long as it doesnt affect them.

>>31339630
The key here is you told them about your shit. It's easy if you don't lie.

Also they do talk to people not on your list.

>>31339868
My job in the army was s2 ncoic. I mostly dealt with security clearance issues. The rules for the background checks are stupid. And it doesnt help that the investigators for the most part have no mil experience. So when we would submit packets for older soldiers they would get kicked back because bases and addresses no longer existed. So we just made up addresses like for instance, 123 lightfighter dr, fort ord, ca. That base has been shut down since the 90s. Yet they accept the fake address.

Since youre looking at infantry, you will only have to deal with a background investigator if you are assigned to specific units, which is unlikely. Unless you go ranger or airborne.

>>31340665
Absolutely wrong

Just because you wouldn't want your kids to be born in a wheel chair doesn't mean you wouldn't be friends with someone in a wheel chair. Just because you wouldn't date a black person doesn't mean you're racist or wouldn't mind being friends with/working with a black person. All that's the same with being trans. I factored people lying about it to be nice when I was thinking of those numbers. I get ten times more compliments and praise for being trans than people giving me shit for it. Surely plenty of them are just being nice about it or virtue signaling or whatever, but they can't all be bullshitting. And are people (men and women) lying to me or trying to be nice when they leave me their phone number or ask to get to know me better?

I am confident that a good number of people who tell their friends or post online that they think trannies are gross/insane have changed their tune even just a little by meeting me and realizing I'm just another normal person besides my appearance.

>>31340713
>wheel chair doesn't mean you wouldn't be friends with someone in a wheel chair
Not the same at all, no one chooses to be in a wheel chair but people DO choose to be trannies

> you wouldn't date a black person doesn't mean you're racist
Pretty sure thats exactly what it means, again you dont choose to be black but you DO choose to be trans

>And are people (men and women) lying to me or trying to be nice when they leave me their phone number or ask to get to know me better?
Where the hell do you live?

Listen im sure people are nice to you now, but wait till you are im competition with these people.
Think about it, you are competiting against real women in the military for jobs, promotions, on APFTs. You dont think they are going to be talking about you behind your back cause your a man? Please pull your head out of your ass if you think this wont happen.

>>31340616
Just google it, their are 3 tiers based off score. Its only offered at places with german army liasons...so very few, and only once in a blue moon. However, huachuca has a permanent liason so they host that shit very often. Obviously u can get it while in germany if you are lucky enough to get stationed there

>>31340735
>Not the same at all, no one chooses to be in a wheel chair but people DO choose to be trannies

Now I know you're bullshitting. I had feelings of wanting to be a girl when I was four years old. I was told over and over it was a phase and I believed it and hoped for it every time. If they had a pill that made trans feeling go away, I would have taken it in an instant instead of transitioning, though I wouldn't take it now since I've already been on hormones a long time and things are going well.

Anyone who chooses to be trans isn't actually trans, they're just part of a fad.

>Where the hell do you live?
Georgia. Funny isn't it? It has an even better effect here because no one has seen a tranny before. Most people's only exposure to it is CNN or porn.

>Think about it, you are competiting against real women in the military for jobs, promotions, on APFTs
Then I hope the most qualified person gets the job. They can talk behind my back, even if you're not trans there will always be people talking behind your back. So what.

>Please pull your head out of your ass if you think this wont happen.

I already responded to this. Read >>31340434

>>31340682
The only people they talked to that wasnt on my list was neighbors.

You gotta remember that these investigators are stay at home spouses or telecommuters at the mid level employment. For the most part they dont take the extra mile. They only work off of the info you give them and what they can gather from that.

My one buddy told them i was a team player who loved basketball. Ive never played basketball.

For school reference i gave them a random counselor who i met once, and didnt even know who i was.

Side note and off topic, there are these two investigators in northern california. One is an old white guy who looks like colonel sanders and dresses like him but in black. And the other is an old black man who wears a silk pinstripe suit with a pimps hat minus the feather.

>>31340777
>I had feelings of wanting to be a girl when I was four years old.
Ya and i thought i was a dinosaur, you jsut got stuck in that phase. The real mentally ill part comes in when you actually decide to transition though. Do you honestly ever think youll look good? Your fake rubber ballsack pussy looks good? Cmon live in the real world.

>Georgia. Funny isn't it?
no, Atlanta has moer gays than san fran now. thats only a step away so i believe it.

>Then I hope the most qualified person gets the job.
Impossible, you have a genetic advantage over them and youll get the pity vote.
Your body developed with testosterone so even though you are taking estrogen the "damage" is already done. Chances are you are taller than every other girl and have a wider and denser bone structure. You have a leg up on them even if you dont want to admit it.

>>31340706
I don't plan on Anyrhibg like that. Just 11c or the marine equivalent to something like that.

>>31340829
The definition of mental illness is any thought or behavior that causes harm to yourself or others. Anything that doesn't meet that definition is not a mental illness.

If someone said "God/Satan/Whoever told me to become a doctor", they're not mentally ill even though to some that thought would sound delusional.

If someone said "God/Satan/Whoever told me to kill my next door neighbor" that would be mental illness because their thoughts and behavior are actively endangering another human being.

When I was actually depressed and miserable because I wasn't able to look like, talk like, dress like, and act like the way I wanted due to my gender, I had a real mental illness called gender dysphoria, when the sex you are doesn't match the sex you want to be and it causes you anguish. Successfully transitioning is the only know cure to that, and it worked for me. Stopped needing to see a therapist, went from being out of shape skinnyfat to /fit/ as fuk, now have a girlfriend and we've been together 2 years, family initially disowned me but after a while they came around and am now happyfor me.

>Chances are you are taller than every other girl and have a wider and denser bone structure. You have a leg up on them even if you dont want to admit it.
I hate to break it to you but some women are born freakishly tall, freakishly big, have unusually high testosterone or other natural advantages. I've heard that transsexuals are 1 in 30,000, it's actually a lot more common for there to be tall/masculine girls than for there to be a tranny. Being on hormones lowers your bone density significantly, it only takes 1-2 years for your bone density to be in the normal female range.

Regardless I would have no problem competing against men if that's what they wanted to do. It does not matter to me at all.

>Your fake rubber ballsack pussy looks good?
Dude what

Very, very few transsexuals get genital surgery. It's a waste of money.

>>31341017
>now have a girlfriend
So you are a tranny but also gay?

>I would have no problem competing against men if that's what they wanted to do
The problem is you would get btfo, you cant keep up with men if you are shooting up with estrogen. You say youre /fit/, what are your big lift maxes? Dont lie.

>Very, very few transsexuals get genital surgery. It's a waste of money.
Wait so you still have a dick and balls? Do you fuck your girlfriend with it?

>The definition of mental illness is any thought or behavior that causes harm to yourself or others.
Correct, and you are harming yourself whether you want to realize it or not.

>>31341064
>So you are a tranny but also gay?
I'm bi

>The problem is you would get btfo, you cant keep up with men if you are shooting up with estrogen. You say youre /fit/, what are your big lift maxes? Dont lie.
You don't have to lift weights to pass fitness standards do you?

I can do a 2 mile run in 12 minutes, 80 push ups in 2 minutes, and 9 pull ups. I mostly follow the /fit/ diet advice, not weight lifting. I'm sure I could push myself to greater results if I was really committed, I've just worked at it the last few years so that if they ever lifted the ban on trannies I would be ready, and luckily they did.

>Wait so you still have a dick and balls?
Well yeah I have those.

>Do you fuck your girlfriend with it?
I have before but I generally don't like to

>Correct, and you are harming yourself whether you want to realize it or not.
Explain to me how I'm harming myself.

>>31340127
since when anon?

>>31340270
>>31340614
If it's just with your regular paperwork it's not for a clearance. Your clearance paperwork will be like 15 pages all about your past i.e. places you've lived, people you've known, places you've worked, any criminal charges etc etc.

It's super in depth, you'd probably know if it was your clearance paperwork. If it's not I doubt they will even call any of your "references"

>>31341199
>I'm bi
More degeneracy i see

>2 mile run in 12 minutes, 80 push ups in 2 minutes, and 9 pull ups
If you still have that much upper body strength that proves my point, youre still a man in every sense. The average woman cant even do a single pull up.

>I have before but I generally don't like to
this made me laugh so much, im imagining your girlfriend yelling at you to fuck her and you dont want to

>Explain to me how I'm harming myself
If you cant see it then you are so deluded that theres really no point to continuing this

>>31341376
>More degeneracy i see
The military, just by virtue of being an organization of millions of human beings, is filled with straights, gays, bisexuals, foot fetishists, animal fetishists, bondage fetishists pedophiles, you name it. Thing is most humans have enough sense to keep that sort of thing to themselves and maintain normalcy. You'd be surprised just how many people with strange desires or fetishes or whatever actually use a strong work ethic to keep their feelings in check. A gay guy who's a total fag and distracts the unit by being obnoxiously gay shouldn't be there, but neither should a guy who gets drunk after every shift and fucks around on base, or anything else. Me being bi doesn't mean shit, there's already tons of soldiers who are bi. Take a guess how popular thailand is with American soldiers

>If you still have that much upper body strength that proves my point, youre still a man in every sense. The average woman cant even do a single pull up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYpSV-_gBaE
There's lots of women who can blow me out of the water

I have the results of someone who's been working at it for years, and it's nothing special or spectacular. The average woman, and average man, are well below minimal fitness standard. The average person has poor strength. My girlfriend can do three pulls.

>If you cant see it then you are so deluded that theres really no point to continuing this
Weak, cop out answer. If it's so obvious it should be easy to explain it.

>>31341504
>There's lots of women who can blow me out of the water
tha is a single cherry picked example, theres a reason the pull up requirements in the marines are so very different for women and men. Also that women has almost no BF ans a wide back, ever heard of test-e and anavar?

>Take a guess how popular thailand is with American soldiers
Unlike you ive actually been there, no one fucks the ladyboys.

What is the most /k/ rate in the US Navy aside fron SpecOps?

>>31341935
Gunner's Mate

>>31341935
Air crew on a helo
>>31341961
Not bad

>>31334446
The tab is for completing scool and just means you completed a leadership course, the scroll is what you're talking about which you get after passing RASP and sent to regiment. You still have to pass ranger school after rasp though, so it's like anyone who has a tab isn't a ranger and anyone who has a scroll and is in regiment is a ranger. I'm doing the same thing currently, good luck.

So I'm joining the Air Force. Just took my asvab last week got over a 70. So did pretty okay.

Just wondering.

How do sign up bonuses work?

How can I secure to go to a country I really want to go to?

What are the best jobs that can lead to a good career? Don't want some dumb shit like kitchen duty.

>>31344221
>How do sign up bonuses work?

Ask what is available, get it in your contract. It gets paid out sometime after completion of training, generally in installments.

>How can I secure to go to a country I really want to go to?

Not generally something you can get in your initial contract. Some services let you get some say in where you go after training if you did really well during the training course, but I don't know about the Air force.

>What are the best jobs that can lead to a good career? Don't want some dumb shit like kitchen duty.

Computer/intelligence/medical jobs are all fairly transferable. Even stuff like aviation electronics can get you set up for certain contracts. A clearance is a good plus too.

>>31340580
I've been told that they're always looking for good medics though cause rasp is a nut buster and socm is even worse

>>31340706
If I lie at meps and tell the truth on my sf86 about drugs will anyone connect the two and find out I lied at meps?

Of the following countries, which ones should I "forget to mention" while seeking a security clearence (if any)

Thailand, Jamaica, Belize, and Tunisia

I've been to other countries, but they are all considered very safe and friendly to the US, those ones I am not 100% sure about

>>31344879
Unless you've been to mainland China, Russia, or (somehow) North Korea, I wouldn't think it would be worth lying about any countries that you've visited.

>>31344923
"I was walking along the Sino-Russo border, and somehow just wandered into north korea"

>I've been to California, does that count as a communist country?

>>31344280
>Ask what is available, get it in your contract. It gets paid out sometime after completion of training, generally in installments.
Is it hard to get a bonus?

>Not generally something you can get in your initial contract. Some services let you get some say in where you go after training if you did really well during the training course, but I don't know about the Air force.
Damn. Was really hoping to go somewhere cool.

>Computer/intelligence/medical jobs are all fairly transferable. Even stuff like aviation electronics can get you set up for certain contracts. A clearance is a good plus too.
So most of the electric field?

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>>31312940
I'm enlisting with asthma. Here's to not having an asthma attack at basic

>>31341251
>Your clearance paperwork will be like 15 pages all about your past i.e. places you've lived, people you've known, places you've worked, any criminal charges etc etc.
well thats what im filling out right now. sheeeiiitttt. i dont keep in contact with anyone from 10 years ago, should i just put down other people