Middle East Thread "MUBARAK OLSEN EDITION"

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>>31310611
Yes I seen the video, it isn't so bad until the guys still alive hanging by their feet see the others getting bled out and you know their like "oh shit"

But the ceasefire just started

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>>31310817
On IS they did make some advances toward Shaddad late night against the SDF/YPG. That's all I have until the morning updates.

Who is actually winning this war?

>>31310897
Israel

>>31310897
Rebels and ISIS are losing the most ground of the multitude of factions fighting. So I guess you could say the SAA and YPG are "winning", but God knows any victory in this scenario is a Pyrrhic one
what >>31310940 said is also applicable

>>31310611
Never any girls in these videos. I guess they know we would jerk off to it.

>>31310897
Some factions have an advantage for sure, but no one is set to win the whole country anytime soon. Unless some factions make up and kiss.

Inb4 /pol/ ruins this thread too.

Whats happening in Deir Ez-zor? I know there was some rumblings, but havent heard anything since.

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Russian Marine CSAR unit in Syria
I like how they're wearing tri-color desert or at least a copy of it

Has there been anything on this in the thread yet?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3783943/SAS-sniper-kills-ISIS-executioner-moments-kills-12-hostages.html

>>31310611
Pretty disturbing. I find the pez dispenser death super gruesome.

Contrastly, Mohammed thought the quicker and with ease you beheaded an enemy it showed your strength. He was talking the full on sword overhead one big swoop. What ISIS does would be viewed as weakness and unnecessary.

>>31312253
Never happened the post....

>>31312253
and american sniper is a documentary amirite :^)

>>31312367
>>31312354
And yet your beloved Fox News is covering this.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/09/12/sniper-takes-out-isis-executioner-from-mile-away.html

>>31312696
Why is it my beloved? The story still sounds utterly made up from start to finish.

Posted before but needs to be posted again. Good article. Gives you insight into how Assad has given up his countrys soul to these militia warlords. Humorously similar to their rebel counterparts, just dressed in matching camos. The Desert Hawks and the Tiger Forces are private non state actors.

http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwarontherocks.com%2F2016%2F08%2Fthe-decay-of-the-syrian-regime-is-much-worse-than-you-think%2F

>>31312354
Then the followup should be interesting.

If it's fake then IS will respond with Mr. Flamethrower continuing gods work soon.

What kind of flamethrower was he using anyways? The video posted last thread suggested that a gasoline and oxegen tank could indeed explode, and if this is a home made flame thrower, this could really happen.

>>31312927
If it's fake nothing will happen, why would ISIS respond to a fake retarded story? I dont think any of it is real including the "flamethrower executioner" who is "so well known".

>>31312704
Then be on the lookout for some IS BBQ propaganda

>>31312696
>Trusting Main Stream Media
Really now?

Syria is kill

how can Syria be un-kill?

>>31313623
kill it harder until nothing remains and then rebuild it from scratch

>>31313623
I'm not doing your homework, Assad.

>>31313623
Consolidate current territory and watch as the rebel held areas become unable to provide the basics for its inhabitants. Honestly, that's the only way to ensure long term stability for Assad. Otherwise he'll be ruling over a huge number of people that will be more than willing to engage in asymetric warfare for years to come.

Oh and, the rebels are really taking this ceasefire seriously. Its such a big thing for them that they decided to attack the town of Zour Al-Masalq about an hour and a half ago. I can't verify right now, but the attacking forces are supposedly made up of FSA troops backed by Jund Al-Aqsa.

On a serious note; I hope its just a regional escalation. However this was bound to happen. The ceasefire is most likely only going to hold in areas where the rebel leaders who agreed to the ceasefire are based out of.

While I want the ceasefire to work, its most likely only going to act as a break, as splinter factions from all sides are gonna re-ignite the fighting.

Lastly; didn't see if it was posted in the last thread; a Yemeni Qahir ballistic missile scored a direct hit on a Saudi military camp on Monday. It is not stated how many casualties were sustained, but it is known that the missile strike caused severe damage to the camp.

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>>31314505
>While I want the ceasefire to work,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4

>>31314718
Welp, thats one way to stop the flow of refugees. Plus a ceasefire would allow the west to legitimize Assad and allow him to continue to exist as well as giving his battered army the rest it needs.

Seriously, if you're in Assad's side, its best to have the west turn its attention to ISIL and Al Nusra (via the ceasefire). It helps Assad more than it helps the rebels or the west.

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>Syrian Army claims it shot down Israeli warplane & drone in own airspace after attack

I don't even know anymore

This will just fizzle out again like the russian jet downing last november

Fuck everyone of these pussies

>>31312253

There has been loads of stories like this published this year. All of these stories only appear in British tabloid newspapers like The Dailymail,The Express, The Sun etc. and they all give outlandish accounts of supposed British special forces raids on ISIS hide outs and shit where some SAS guy takes out 7 ISIS fighters with just a combat knife, cutting their heads off in the process or an SAS sniper shooting 3 ISIS fighters from over a mile away through a wall and headshotting all of them. The sources provided in these stories is always some "anonymous military insider" with no official statements about this from the government. No respectable paper touches these stories, it's just the same few tabloids again and again. I suspect they are all bullshit.

>>31312863
It's always just been one big proxy war though m8...

>>31312863
yeah as much as the decay of the regime is real war on the rocks is bias as all hell

>>31310959
>any victory in this scenario is a Pyrrhic one
That's almost always the case with civil wars, since the homeland doubles as the battlefield for BOTH sides.

>>31312863
>how Assad has given up his countrys soul to these militia warlords
t. Sunni scum.

>>31312863
Someone cant contain their butthurt that Assad actually survived what was supposed to be the war that ends him and Syria.
Few years ago everyone (especially /k/) said that he has only days left.
He is a goner, good as dead.
But the SAA didnt run and didnt stop fighting. My heart goes out to those men, if anyone has balls its them.
At one point, AlQaida (FSA) and ISIS were all ganged up against them, and the west just waited for him to fall in order to swoop in and have their own way.
Even if most of the SAA is inexperienced conscripts, they still have more balls than anyone in that godforsaken shitstain that is the middle east.

>>31315508
This.

Assad is winning, and all of a sudden the jihadi cheerleaders are all "i-i-it's not even REAL Assad anymore, h-heh".

>>31310611

> your daily Assad / Russia / Zionist shill thread

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>>31315524

>>31315508
>>31315523
>>31315524
im pro based assad and have been. i have my worries that people have started to gain too much power in his ranks. i dont doubt that even if assad wins there will be infighting now because the war has dragged on so long, between the 4th armored and the tigers. something like that. that is small potatos compared to the death that would take place if he loses.

>>31315591
you have to understand the infighting between the "rebels" will be chaotic and vicious. it will probably include a lot of beheadings and minority genocide.

>>31315508
>>31315591
>>31315598
i do gotta give the blessings to the SAA and the NDF though, everyone else ran and they fought and died and did so for 6 years, thats not something to laugh at.

>>31315591
I doubt that we will see any fighting between SAA units. There will be political conflict but no violence. Conflict you can see in Russia between Kadyirov and FSB chief or the former head of border police. But the real risk are NDF units and the militias. Assad made deals with local power brokers to get men for many NDF units, they won't give up power willingly. Also there are always the Shia militias. They don't answer to Assad and they are religious fanatics. God knows how that will turn out or what they will demand in payment.

Video of alleged IDF plane hit can be found at facebok /dimashq.now/videos/1006870029438609/

don't know how to get past spam filter on 4chan


I am personally waiting to see more prof. I don't trust Syrians but I also don't trust Israelis. Both sides have a lot to gain from laying.

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https://twitter.com/mazenaloush/status/775702319874904064

Only video on this slow day. It's Ajnad al Kavkaz in action in Kawkab. The guy with the long grey bread is one of their leaders. I forgot his name but he is well known. He used to hang out with Muslim al Shishani back in the day. I half expected Shishani to show up in Hama.

>>31316680
Not quite the last video. This one is the SAA shelling Kabani. Whenever Kabani is taken or after the war I would love to see their field fortification's. This mountain stronghold has survived so many artillery and Ruaf bombardments those guys must be deep underground.

>>31316836
forgot video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wROpwD_rVdE

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Nothing much to report until now, the only interesting stuff for early today is that situation around the Golan heights; Israel confirmed that indeed Syria fired surface-to-air missiles, but denies that they had hit anything. All the photos or videos being used to try confirm a plane or drone downed are or fake or old footage, until now.

The problem with fighting between the SAA and Rebels near the Golans is that any stray mortar or artillery shell that lands on the peacefull and inocent rocks of the Golans, Israel respond by striking the SAA artillery positions nearby.

Also, in a totally unrelated matter, this:

https://twitter.com/Mr_Ghostly/status/775656673448910848

>>31316847
Ive noticed that Syrians are using Grads in 2s or 3s. Mimicking an artillery battery?
Is this doctrine or is it them conserving rocket ammo while delivering artillery like strikes in more accurate bursts?

>>31316933
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/775723552783806464

Pro SAA source claims Turkish artillery is firing on the SAA in Latakia after stray shells. Wow, Israel and Turkey fired on the SAA today.
>>31316934
I don't know the answer, my best guess is they were firing to see where they were hitting at before firing off a full volley.

>>31315728
>They don't answer to Assad and they are religious fanatics. God knows how that will turn out or what they will demand in payment.


They answer to the shia clerics in iran i assume.

>>31316836
Shishani has been in Latakia for two years now, I think.
Is it possible that he left his area of operations?

>>31317687
With all the combat on the last line of rebel mountain bases he might involved there. He disappeared for a long time only reappearing to ask for donations. I have no idea what he is doing these days.

That's it for me. I'll come back for the morning updates.

>>31315487
shia munafiq

>>31317687
is there another shishani? i thought he died. who are we talking about here?

>>31317971
>you know nothing jon snow
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=62c_1470815307

>>31317040
>my best guess is they were firing to see where they were hitting at before firing off a full volley.

This is correct. This is used by the less professional fighting forces in the world to calculate trajectory. It gives away the fire, but it lets them hit the designated target once they finish eyeballing it.

You can see rebels doing this as well. Not with grads obviously, but their own rocket systems

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More info on the Israeli activity near the Golan Heights.

The Israelis bombarded SAA positions near the towns of Kanaker and Hader.

The Israeli UAV that was shot at was the Hermes (unknown if it was the Hermes 900 or the 450), it supposedly took fire from 23mm's as well as up to four anti air missiles. The Hermes was reported to have returned back to base unscathed.

>>31319539
In other news, YPG launched an offensive to capture the town of Markadah in the Hasakah region.

It started about an hour ago, so there isn't much info on the exact details as to what is happening for the time being.

oh, forgot one last point on the Israeli section. SAA positions near Jandal castle were also targeted by Isreali fighters.

>>31319539
how does a drone rotorcraft get out of 4 missiles? I know Israel knows its shit with rocket defense what with iron dome, but would you say Israel has good defense systems, or Syria has shitty missiles? (or is Israel lying and the drone got assblasted)


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/syria-claims-shooting-israeli-warplane-drone-160913071925895.html
>On Monday, the Israeli military said it had targeted artillery positions of the Syrian government in the Syrian Golan Heights in response to what it called a projectile launched from Syria into northern Israel.

Who the fuck is trying to start another war in Syria... these people are nuts. They already have like 3 or 4 wars going on.

>>31320134
Israel has a history of bombing countries they aren't really at war with. Remember they bombed Iraqi nuclear reactor back in 81.

Also, it isn't clear what kind of missiles were launched. It might be that all the incoming missiles were outdated MANPADs and never got a proper lock on. Hell, it might have even been out of reach of the MANPADs (if those were the missiles that were used).

For now, I won't try to make assumptions until I can get more info.

>>31320063
kek

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Nothing worthy to mention, so, just gonna dump some photos. First it's this new IRGC toy: 'Shahid Nazeri High-Speed Helicopter Carrier Vessel.

If I not mistaken, they also still have some hovercrafts back from the Shah era.

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Iraqi armored monstrosity appears once again.

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>>31320450
Looking at it better now, the first image looks more like a hog.

This one is the rhino.

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>>31320481

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>>31320430
Iranians are being snarky. On the side of the ship it reads "Go back to the Bay of Pigs."

source:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6aff3b8eef9c42bcaa9c2fa5272e8066/iran-unveils-new-helicopter-carrying-catamaran-ship?utm_content=buffer18c7c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

>>31320430
that thing looks neat

>>31320481
>>31320496
Get out of here mad max.

>>31320228
I read a few sources saying s-200's were launched.

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>>31320819
>Get out of here mad max.
if you only knew how much threads we could fill with this material

>>31320874
I've read the sources that claim S-200's were used. The SAA claim to have downed an F-16 with an S-200VE, however Israel claims that the aircraft that was under fire was a Hermes (again, don't know if it was a 900 or a 450 series). So it might be that they did use S-200's in another incident, but not the one in question.

>>31320894
oh god you can you rar that for me?

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>>31320894
Jesus Christ dude

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>>31320894
That's a nice collection. But I'm seeing a wild Azov super APC in it.

Following the slow day pattern, we have absolutely nothing interesting to report.

Only the pro SAA sources are claiming numbers in what they also already dub as the "failed rebel offensive in Quneitra": "45 rebels/islamists killed as well as 6 commanders and more than 80 wounded", and add to the list a exNusra tank, that they also claim they destroyed early today. As much I don't doubt that the new Rebel offensive have been already stalled, as this is the normal in the southern syrian front; rebel assaults that are stopped/reversed in few days and then Rebels cancel the whole thing without notice, there is no reports saying that the SAA recapture the few positions that they lost. We will discover soon enough if things stopped for real or not.

Also, until now, the whole story about the SDF/YPG launching a offensive to take Markadah from ISIS in Hasakah seems to be fake, as no pro kurd source is bragging about it, and further more, it was originally reported by Rami.

Im out for the night now, leaving here another young Assad photo that I found to bump the thread.

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>>31321972
>rar
>not zip

>>31315508

Yep, I have gained respect for the Syrian people.

Once they get past this, their bonds as a nation will be even stronger, forged in 5 years of civil war.

>>31320894
Dude start a thread

>>31320894
>Iranian Daelek technicals
always gets me

Last post before I go to bed.

Israeli aircraft struck SAA positions again near Jandal Castle, destroying one artillery piece and damaging another.

IDF spokesman said they held the SAA responsible for the cross border fire and the Israeli retaliations, but stipulated that they would also target the rebels should they do the same thing.

theyre sending a lot of men to hama.. i guess the "fsa" is really throwing down

someone on ivans twitter was posting a list "proving" 575 dead "fsa" in the battle for south aleppo. i can believe it, or something close to it considering the amount of ordinance the russians and the syrian airforce dropped on it, and also taking into account the fact that assad and friends lost a few hundred men in the endeavor

>>31313373
>Trusting cable news.

>>31321055
SAA actually claims they downed an F16 AND a drone.

So if the Israelis say just a drone was targeted and it escaped that probably means the F16 was downed and they try to hide that.

>>31325205
I think its save to assume that both sides lost 500+ men there.

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>>31325006
> stipulated that they would also target the rebels should they do the same thing.
Kek
>implying they won't just pretend that it was the SAA instead of the rebels and bomb them again

>>31325379
They never targeted the rebels.. and never will.
The jews behave like true dicks down there and i'm not even an Assad fanboy.

Lol Israel provides medical care to rebels. No way would they bomb them. As a side note I worked with someone who used to be in the IDF and he tried to say Israel did it for humanitarian reasons. Hahahaha.

>>31325404
Well it's not so much that they're dicks, as they don't want hezbollah on their golan heights border. Intermittent bombing of Assad keeps their strategic initiative of "fuck off cunt or we'll bottle ya" in place and has largely spared them larger involvement in the wa.

>>31325928
>>31325404
They remind Hezbollah they can wipe them out in Syria if they feel like it(with tact approval from Russia) meanwhile watching the rebels go at it with them ..and laughing.

Israel/Jordan won't be laughing if the affiliated IS al-Yarmouk on the Isreali border decides they want to make a name for themselves. That's why MOC controlled southern Front has been on a year long campaign against Daraa IS and not the SAA. They don't mind these groups fighting themselves but if they step over to Israel or Jordan they are getting smashed.

You can say the same for the US and JFS. The US rarely targeted JFS but when JFS showed everyone they are able to push around the SAA in Aleppo that's when Russia AND the US decided this game has gone to far.

>>31326891
You can also say the same about Turkey and the YPG. They didn't care but as soon as IS went on the run that's when Turkey realized they have to enter the war least the YPG run the table on their border. Every proxy group is being managed by their respective backers.

>>31315508
Assad staying in power is not due to any superhuman effort made by the SAA.
Simply put, Iran sent tens of thousands of foreign fighters bolstered with thousands to tens of thousands IRGC/Iranian militery to prop Assad up.
But even that was not sufficient, requiring a Russian intervention to bomb the rebels.
At time even that was not enough and required the Russian to get involved on the ground as well (Aleppo, Palmyra).

Not to say some rebel factions don't also have large foreign components, but nothing like the massive amounts fighting for Assad.

It's safe to say that most or nearly so of the units that engage in actual combat for Assad are foreign.

>>31321972
i can compress but where to upload them

>>31323096
there are some ukranian chief specials too

>>31324512
kinda lazy for a thread

>>31324784
dude i swear arabs are orks
>literaly Orks lobbaz, trukks and buggys material

so thread or zip ?

>>31327440
As much I agree that Assad staying power today is more due to foreign powers intervention, it is difficult to not praise the role that the SAA had on it in the first few years. This war is going on since 2011, Iran entered around 2013, and only truly seems to have increased thier presence around 2014-2015, and Russia only entered for real last year.

Comparatively with the army of other arab countries in, somehow, the same situation, the elements of the SAA that decided to defend the Regime stood their ground and fought. Yes, there was mass desertions, people running from their positions, surrendering themselves, etc, but compare that to what the Iraqi army did when ISIS started their initial campaign.

I think that was the point made by the other anon.

>>31327696
This.

For an arab army, the SAA performed awesome.

Hey American, WTF is going on in US? I was just reading an article where Kerry is being forced to defend his deal with Ru to Pentagon chiefs. And considering how pro Assad Pentagon has been I can only imagine how mad CIA must be. Is it politics or has the WH lost control over the armed parts of US executive? Is there risk of CIA going "screw you guys, I am going regime change"?

>>31327673
Zip please, upload to dropbox and create a link.

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>>31328025
>>31324784
>>31324512
>>31323449
>>31323096
>>31322182
>>31321972
Middle east boogallo collection + slav bonus edition

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl65gcbkk6nxs8b/middle%20east%20mad%20max.7z?dl=0

Enjoy and don't really mind the names, it was to remove the ones i had in double

when you survive the airstrike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUqrafe46B8

>>31328772
>people think we go to mosque to pray
>this is what it's really like once everyone's in
partyhard motherfuckers

>>31327696
No one knows the true extent of Iranian involvement simply cause of opsec. I'm certain since 2012 theyve helped a ton.

>>31328500
Good shit, thank you.

>>31326891
If Israel enters Syria in a major way, we'll know for sure this war has entered bizzaro land. Poor syria getting carved up like cake edition.

>>31328500
Thank you bro. You are a national treasure.

>that pic of libyan a2s missile pods on trucks

Jesus you've been collecting these for years.

>>31310611
whats going on in deir ez zor?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsVqPMNWcAMOSeP.jpg

>>31327946
CIA and maybe the pentagon are just trying to keep things going long enough for Hillary to come in and let them regime change.

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>>31328500
Many thanks, it is really a good collection. Here's a new one for your collection.

>>31328841
Yes, I know, I just used 2013 from the top of my head, because is when I remember they appearing, and late 2014 to 2015 as when footage of the shia militias started to pop up in number.

>>31329944
It'll sure be an interesting event if that hag does a really forceful play when it comes to Assad.

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The day was really slow, there is nothing to report, aside from both side pro sources accusing each other of violating the ceasefire and the news that Brigadier General Abu Omar Osama Zahreddine (cousin or brother of the other more famous Zahreddine, I really cant remember now) have been appointed as chief of operations on the Hadar front, Quneitra.

Maybe this is the calm before the storm, as both, Rebels or SAA, could be using this ceasefire to prepare something, as always, and we still need to see what Turkey is holding under their sleeve for the next few months, if they are really planning something.

This are images taken from a military media video, supposedly of the same S200 that shot at a Israeli plane/drone, in southern syria.

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>>31334080
And this is a photo (of a photo) of young Osama and Issam Zahreddine. Those guys really knew how to care for their moustaches, back then.

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>>31334148
gat damn

>>31327440
Iran didn't have more than 1000 soldiers in Syria until 2014.

>>31328841
>No one knows the true extent of Iranian involvement simply cause of opsec.

Ahhh yes because Iran had thousands of men there during the year the SAA got BTFO. Totally makes sense.

>>31334148
Damn

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tfw this will get no play whatsoever in US media:

>‘We Misled You’: How the Saudis Are Coming Clean on Funding Terrorism
>On my most recent trip to Saudi Arabia, I was greeted with a startling confession. In the past, when we raised the issue of funding Islamic extremists with the Saudis, all we got were denials. This time, in the course of meetings with King Salman, Crown Prince Nayef, Deputy Crown Mohammad Bin Salman and several ministers, one top Saudi official admitted to me, “We misled you.” He explained that Saudi support for Islamic extremism started in the early 1960s as a counter to Nasserism—the socialist political ideology that came out of the thinking of Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser—which threatened Saudi Arabia and led to war between the two countries along the Yemen border. This tactic allowed them to successfully contain Nasserism, and the Saudis concluded that Islamism could be a powerful tool with broader utility.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/saudi-arabia-terrorism-funding-214241

>>31327696
I understand what you're saying but I think you're incorrect.
The performance of the Iraqi army in 2014 was not really that much worse than the SAA in 2011-2012. Withdrawing from much of the country against rag tag militias.
Don't make the mistake of thinking the well equipped organized and experienced rebels of today are in any way similar to what was going on back then.

If you like Iraq I'd rather compare to the way Saddam dealt with the Kurd-Shia rebellion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

Remember that this was directly after a a long and bloody war with Iraq, following the first gulf war.
The Iraqi army was shattered, country was under sanctions and moral was in the gutter.
Shia rebels got support from the IRGC.

Comparing to Iraq 2014 which wasn't even back on it's own feet yet as a nation is an ill comparison.

Another comparison could be made with Libya. Where the majority of the tribes rebeled against Gudaffi or remained neutral. Still the army, even past desertions was on it's way to victory, before NATO knocked on the door that it.

In Syria, it took Iran throwing money and Hezballah with some IRGC back up into the battle of Qusayr to stop the rebels. Subsequently it was Hezballah that led the offensive into Homs. Although in the Homs offensive the SAA was more involved in the fighting than Qusayr and got some serious responsibilities.

>>31327712
See above.

>>31334719
IRGC and Iranian military, probably correct.
Militias and Iranian proxy forces such as Hezballah? nope nope nope.
Iranian sent forces were numbering thousands in 2012 already.

>>31327696
>>31336345
Me again,
If you were following the rebellion back then, there is no way you could have missed the unanimous shock by experts and analysts of how badly the SAA was under performing.

If you have the time and are interested, you can try to look up some analysis from the time.

Ruptly on Facebook is broadcasting a livestream from a russian drone over aleppo. Can't provide a proper link due to spam protection.

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>>31337525
>he isn't being able to get past the filter

>>31336345
And you are absolutely right, anon, even more in what touches the conditions of the Iraqi army back in 2014 and its being a an ill comparison of my part.

On the matter of the experts being shocked by how bad the SAA performed during the initial stage of the war until now, even if I never read any of said articles, but would gladly took my time to read if you have any link, i personally think it could be attributed for them overestimating the real efficiency of the SAA in times before the war. Like the overestimate of the real situation of the Iraqi army, during the Gulf war.

Also, kudos for the good post.

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Reports that the turkish army is doing preemptive airstrikes and artillery fire on Al Bab countryside, few minutes ago. Lets wait to see what is coming of it.

Turkish CNN is also saying that SDF/YPG are flying the American flag over houses in Manbij, to evade turkish airstrikes.

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http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12096084@egNews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ivt2NmbyGg

>>31320063
what's that 15th century peasant war?
>noblemen swerve