Been thinking about a 1911 as a SHTF sidearm. Thoughts? I just

>>31307541
Worst pistol design on earth. Gotten more GIs killed than venereal disease

>>31307541
Best firearm on the planet. Can destroy a Panzer with a single well aimed shot.

>>31307541
The 1911 comes from the era when a handgun was a weapon, not a cheap plastic toy.

>>31307541

Are you asking random faggots on an anime weapons board for permission to buy something you want?

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>>31307541
>That melted finish

As far as shtf a 9mm would be a better pick.

They're good guns and I love my norico, but there are reasons why they arent used too widely by all the coolguy oper8orz.

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>>31307541
Don't forget your biblical engravings

If shit DOES hit the fan, youre gonna want the almighty on your side

>>31307705
I have no illusions of Operating if SHTF, so that's fine. I'm just more curious how 1911s handle cold, dust/rain/neglect/etc, and how much of a man/critter stopper .45 is in an emergency.

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>>31307541
>1911 as a SHTF sidearm

next you'll tell me you'll be looking into

>fucking a virgin as cure to HIV/AIDS

>>31307767
I know people love to shitpost here about "le 45 stoppin powah meme" but honestly, if you're close enough to be using a handgun on someone, then 45 acp will definitely kill. Assuming you aren't in Alaska, it will stop most of anything you're likely to find in North America

>>31307564
This. I saw the documentary with the war footage.

>>31307791
Fuck off son, virgin fucking works
>you aren't smarter than the village shaman

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>>31307541
>Wanting to haul around a heavy pistol with only 7+1
I get that it feels nice, OP, but let's be realistic here, you can find a hundred different pistols with a higher capacity and lighter weight these days.

>>31307541
In SHTF you're better off with an XD or Glock cock.

>>31307903
This, plus them fuckers are high-maitenance. Probably wouldn't do great for long innawoods adventures.

>>31307801
Guy I knew who had full blown aids didn't trust the village shaman either. BAM! Died for no apparent reason six months later.

>>31307605
the serial number etc. ruins the look though. they should stamp that shit somewhere on the inside.

>>31307541
If you're going to use something so outdated, why not use a remmy 1858. You can cast your own bullets, and make powder from your piss.

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Python allows 2 kinds of bullits. You get 2x the ammo of any other gun.

>>31307541
Your sidearm is your last-resort/emergency weapon. So it's less important than your long gun, which should be used to handle threats 99.9% of the time. So pick a pistol that you enjoy, get proficient with both your primary and sidearm, and stockpile ammo and the odd parts.

>>31307541
Yup, perfectly legit choice. People who say they are unreliable are missing the point: even if you get a cheap import that is unreliable, it can be MADE to be reliable by the end user. Once reliability is established, they are super reliable. Maintenance is straightforward and toolless, and it can be detail stripped down to the last part without any special tools or training.

If I have to survive a post-apocalyptic wasteland without support, I'm not taking some modern plastic POS that requires special tools and a series of instructional DVDs to take apart after a piece of gravel gets inside and seizes up the lockwork.

>>31307767
A good steel 1911 will last until the end of time IF YOU TAKE CARE OF IT. If not it'll start to rust within a month or so. But apparently before the marines bought a batch of colt m45a1s, there were 1911 frames in government arsenals that had over a half million rounds on them and were still in spec and being issued.

And this is purely subjective, but if a 1911 fits your hand it'll feel better and more ergonomic than any other gun out there

>>31307541

>SHTF sidearm

I've never understood wtf "SHTF X product" even means. Shit is so vague. You don't have to justify your tastes and hobbies by measuring them against an imagined apocolypse.

Just buy guns you like if you want and can afford them, fuck sakes

>Yes, 1911's are awesome, accurate, and fun as hell

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>>31309886
in my mind "SHTF sidearm" means "what gun would you top yourself off with in the event the nukes fly or bioweapons are used"
pic is mine because it's pretty

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>>31308923
>Maintenance is straightforward and toolless, and it can be detail stripped down to the last part without any special tools or training.

Fucking love this so much.

>tfw when you fudgraded your gpas 1911 from ww2 with new hammer springs sears trigger etc, had to dremel some parts to fit, and are scared to pull the trigger now

>>31307903
>higher capacity

Most cases when a firearm is used, ends with 2 shots. The people that carry 40 rounds of ammo are just retards. When was the last time you read a report that said someone had to mag dump 30 fucking rounds at a mugger etc?...Civilian. two, not a trigger happy cop.

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>>31310015
>not a trigger happy cop.
whatever gets the job done

>>31310015

You should carry a spare mag in case you get a double-feed. Other than that it's cheap insurance, the only times you might possibly regret having more ammo is when drowning or on fire.

>>31310093
What is the context???

>>31310234
ATF attempt to use a K9 unit.

>>31307605
A very common modification for carry guns back in 70's and 80's.

>>31307541
Holy shit, I have never actually masturbated to an inanimate object before but goddamn is this tempting.

>>31310264
wut

I have never seen that before, anywhere

>>31307903

>choosing to carry half the ammo you could

The 1911 is a nice gun for a variety of reasons but I wish you niggers would stop with this.

You basically you argued that a Derringer is just as good as a Glock 19 in a typical self defense situation.

The mental gymnastics are 10/10 tho,

>>31310234
suicidal dindu having a standoff with the popo.
>>31310292
google carry melt

>>31310312

meant for

>>31310015


obviously

>>31310312
And a subaru is technically "better" than a classic car, but people still drive them. Cry moar glockfag

>>31307564
>>31307800

It only works if you're Tom Hanks.

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>>31309953
I always thought of it something more like a natural disaster. I live in Florida so that's more applicable to me,something like Katrina

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>>31310292
With the cost of labor and lack of skilled gunsmiths, you only really see rich 1911 collectors doing shit like this anymore. People who don't mind spending a grand and waiting a year or more to get it back.

Besides, firearms were more of a lifetime investment back then. Everything is too disposable now, lower standards, less soul.

>>31310292
Here's an example of one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeAukp4hwuA

>>31310391
This. Having experienced every hurricane since '90, I'm kind of partial to disaster prep.

Paid close attention to Katrina, that shit is worst case scenario. Granted I don't live in a bowl.

>>31310560
Damn. Please someone tell me where you can get that case at the end. Would be amazing on my bookshelf.

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>>31310507
>standards
Funny you mention that. Because exacting standards are what displaced old hand fit guns from the marketplace. Not needing a skilled mechanic to fix a gun, a simple parts swap.

Nothing hand fit, unless you want to.

Modern materials used to craft and add artistic flare to the pistols. Not literally bolting on part of a dead animal and calling it soul because part of the gun was once a part of a living creature.

>>31310507
it literally looks more like someone who is shit at using a buffer rather than something that was done on purpose.

>>31311799
>standards
posts hot garbage

>>31311733
This is the closest thing (un)available.
http://www.tuffproducts.com/4049-in-line-single-gun-file/

>>31312783
>http://www.tuffproducts.com/4049-in-line-single-gun-file/
Thanks for the link.

>>31307759
A light shining in darkness.

>>31312899
Yes, right after he won the lottery after being hit by lightning during a shark attack.
Check the YouTube video.

>>31307541
>>31307541
>Been thinking about a 1911 as a SHTF sidearm
well keep thinking until you arrive to another platform.

>>31307988
neither of which are as popular and easy to find as 9mm or 45

>>31310093
so the cops shot their own dog?

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>>31310507
>not melting the crown to the bushing
why

>>31307541
Seriously?

Pluses: good balance, good ergonomics, will very likely be very reliable with FMJ ammunition assuming good quality magazines and proper quality parts (little things like extractor tension are very important in the 1911), nothing wrong with the .45 ACP caliber, they come in other calibers too, thin singlestack frame lends itself to concealed carry, heavy enough and sturdy enough that you can crack zombie skulls with it as long as you can keep swinging it around. They balance well, they point well, properly tuned they can have awesome triggers like nothing else out there.

Minuses: singlestack magazine means most are 7+1 or 8+1 guns, not all will feed all hollowpoints as they come out of the box, they've been made on several continents for over a century so parts that are supposed to be interchangeable may require serious hand fitting. Out of the box the trigger may be nothing special--it often takes hand fitting, or even replacement parts, to bring out its full potential. Massive steel frames are heavy. Did I mention that some of them are finicky about ammo? Some aftermarket mods and gunsmith "enhancements" don't help reliability, like super tight fitted slides and frames, super tight match bushings requiring a wrench to remove, full length recoil spring guide rods, etc. They are more maintenance intensive than modern handguns--you have to keep a 1911 very clean and properly lubed in order for it to run 100%.

If when you say "SHTF" you're talking about the collapse of civilization, Mad Max style bandit armies on motorcycles besieging townspeople, etc., that's a bad situation and I'm not sure one sidearm is going to be decisively better than another if you wake up to that nightmare some morning. If you draw your sidearm at all you've probably already screwed the pooch and you're gonna die. A sidearm is for fighting your way back to that rifle you should never have put down.

tl;dr I guess so, but choose a good rifle first

>>31307767
Semiauto pistols resist astonishing amounts of abuse but neglect stops them working.

Revolvers tolerate astonishing amounts of neglect but abuse breaks them.

The .45 ACP cartridge always had a good, maybe inflated reputation as a manstopper. Really a rifle is going to be better, especially if you're up against something bigger and tougher than a human.

The 1911 can be extremely reliable--as long as it is relatively close to USGI 1911A1 specifications. That is, not super tight slide to frame fit, no full length spring guide rods, no extended ambidextrous titanium slide locks, etc.

The 1911 is sensitive to dirt and lack of lubrication to a far greater degree than a lot of more modern handgun designs (Glock, S&W M&P, H&K USP, etc.) and to the extent that the 1911 is still used by the 1337 coolguy black ops guys, they are willing to put in the time and sweat cleaning it and keeping it clean and lubed. Or they have an armorer to do that for them between trips outside the wire.

>>31307550
>>31307564
Damn.

>>31310333
Divine trips

>>31310560
Where can I find or what is the name of the retention clip on the side of this 45?

trying to find the most efficient gun for a situation that is so rare is pretty retarded. if you want to conceal carry a 1911 then just do it. you won't use any gun you buy anyways. just buy the fucking gun and enjoy it

>>31313565
>clip
I believe it's called a Clip-It, don't quote me though. I've seen ads for them in the back of American Rifleman.

>>31313240
yep.
Even went so far as to call an ambulance for it while the nigger bled out a few feet away

>>31313873

I know. I didn't know what else to call it.

Thanks BTW.

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>>31307541
Gross, that polish job is absolutely shit.

Here's one that was done right, pic related.

>>31314784
Because China>USA ?

>>31314820
What are you talking about?

>>31314820
Because that's a Colt royal blue, all the lines are preserved. OP's picture was done on some buffing wheels and belt sanders, all the curves and lines are melted together, it's ugly and very sloppy. Doing it like in OP's pic takes a few hours.

Doing a good job like Colt takes days, and has to be done manually and carefully.

>>31314833
>a melted finish looks melted

U R DUM

>>31314838
>intentional shit isn't shit

EYE PUT FLAMES ON THE SIDE OF MUH MUSTANG LOLOLOL IT'S DUMB ON PURPOSE SO I'M COOL RITE

Keep in mind that you're doing it wrong if you're firing a gun at all post-SHTF and not harvesting game. If you're getting into high round count fights you're really doing it wrong. If you're getting into high round count fights with a pistol, you deserve to die of that infection you'll catch after taking a minor GSW and not having proper medical care available.

A properly-tuned and set up 1911 is a reliable and accurate gun firing an excellent round. They have their quirks and a comparatively higher maintenance requirement than, say, a Glock, but those are problems that manifest themselves after thousands of rounds (which you really shouldn't be firing out of a pistol post-SHTF).

The biggest downside is that basically nothing of consequence beyond the springs is truly drop-in on a 1911, so if it breaks, you'll need to have the knowledge and tools to fix it.

The second biggest downside is that setting up a truly duty-ready gun starts at over $1,000, and $1,000 takes you quite far in the age of polymer striker fired guns. To put things in perspective, I could buy a pair of Glocks, six spare mags, two sets of quality sights, and a bit of good JHP ammo for the price of a 1911 I'd be willing to carry and the gunsmithing I'd want to ensure it was ready.

>>31313391
I've narrowed it down to either an AR or 11in Vz.58 for my rifle. You make good points.
>>31313462
How ridiculous is the maintenance required? I figure a flap holster would help keep it covered, not like I plan on rolling around in the mud or anything, anyway. But is it like a "clean this shit every day or it locks up" type of thing?

>>31314870
I don't intend to get into gun fights. I know that using my sidearm means I fucked up. Just more curious as to the reliability of the gun, that's all.
>>31314833
I dunno, I kinda like the "sloppy" look. I get it isn't proper, but I like it. Just one I snatched off Google.

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>>31307541
>>31310507
>>31313291
>>31314784
so shiny

>>31307988
too bad they got the caliber wrong in that image, rick uses a .44 magnum python. Still two calibers but at least get it right.

>>31314784
I don't really like glossy bluing but this is a good example of how to do it right. I love the old satin rust bluing look.

>>31314983
The ".44 Magnum" would be a Anaconda

>>31310093
"trigger happy cop"

Spotted a faggot who has never been in a gunfight.

>>31309209
1911s crack fairly early by modern standards and since the military doesn't record how many rounds were shot through an individual firearm the story of 1911s with x-million rounds is most certainly just another retarded fanboy fable.

>>31307541
what gun is that, its beautiful

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>>31307541
>Been thinking about a 1911 as a SHTF sidearm. Thoughts? I just love how one feels in my hand, and I've been lusting for one anyway.

I'm gonna fight for the 1911 on this one, as I think it is a viable SHTF sidearm.

>Only holds 8 + 1
>Metal frame (heavier than polymer)

Those are legitimate negs, can't deny them. The benefit to a metal (particularly steel) frame is it can soak up more recoil, and it is more resistant to weakinging by extreme temperatures. Of course, with a defect it can rust (a good one shouldn't) then again, the slide of any polymer gun is steel as well, so you run the same risk. The point is kind of moot IMO.

As for capacity, no real argument there other than it makes for a more comfortable gun for it to be single stack. Slim, 8rd 1911 mags however are easy to carry around, but you will have to reload more. Use fabric type pouches however and you may be able to fit two 1911 mags in what would otherwise be a double-stack mag pouch.

Benefits?

It's not as unreliable as some believe. It doesn't have to be babied. But this all depends on where you get it. A cheap RIA may shit the bed very quickly, as it's inconsistent in it's dimensions. A high end 1911 may be more finicky when it comes to it due to tighter tolerances.

The problem with the 1911 rep is EVERYONE makes it, so when you look at all the bad things of the platform you basically have the world's worst pistol because everyone combined has had major issues with every component.

But take a Springfield Armory RO for instance and you can run it into the ground and it'll keep working. It's made well with enough tolerances to deal with adverse conditions. The frames are well made and won't crack after tens of thousands of rounds.

I'd also argue muh 45, but I'm running out of room. Short and sweet: with JHP 45 isn't a good contender against 9. As FMJ it's a far more effective killer than 9mm.

>>31307940
This meme has to stop.

1911 just requires well made parts and be in spec to original design.

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>>31317048
>1911 just requires well made parts and be in spec to original design.
This.

The original design was to be versatile; you should be able to fully strip 100 1911s, jumble the parts in a box and be able to rebuild 100 mismatched 1911s that are combat ready.

Modern manufacturers use their own specs, the higher up you go in price the more likely those specs are tighter and tighter and more susceptible to malfunction because of this under adverse conditions.

The 1911 has a great history as a sidearm for the US military and the Marines to this day. It wouldn't get that if it couldn't live up to the conditions.

>>31314983
>too bad they got the caliber wrong in that image, rick uses a .44 magnum python.

Are you talking comic or show? Because in the show it's a .357.

>>31312816
http://www.lensandlasers.com/in-line-multi-gun-file-blk

Turned on the janky subtitles and googled what he said. Happy Hanukkah.

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>>31317014
whats the story with Springfield they series 80 or 70, have a ria runs just fine

>>31318030
Springfield 1911's are Series 70 clones. They have titanium firing pins which makes them more drop-safe.

>>31318030
>whats the story with Springfield they series 80 or 70, have a ria runs just fine

SA is series 70 IIRC

I think 80 is Colt, Sig, STI and some others. Someone here knows.

>RIA

I'm not completely knocking RIA, they are cheap, and when they run they run, but it's not uncommon to get a lemon, nor is it surprising.

>>31315206
>>31317291
in the show they call it a python and in multiple episodes rick and shane call it a .44 magnum.

Got an American Classic Compact Commander in .45. Shit is the tits. Buy one.

>>31313291
>Then you realize the bushing has to be replaced more often than the barrel
It is sexy though, but not the best option if you shoot the gun a lot.

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>>31307541

For SHTF, Glock 19.

9mm will be more plentiful and spare parts will be everywhere since so many people own them. Plus you can conceal it better than a 1911.

If you want a 1911, just buy one. If you want a SHTF gun, look for something else.

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Of you like it look at the zastava m88a you could buy 2 and still not cost as much as a "good" 1911. It's full steel, compact, and 9mm is everywhere

>>31318079
I've got a STI Spartan, it's a Series 70.

The Spartan is unique in the STI lineup in that the slide and frame are made by Armscor. I don't know about the rest of the STI line or the Armscor line, whether they're 70 or 80.

>>31310248
Kek'd loudly in the shitter at work

>>31307541
Mine shits the bed constantly. For a year or so of shooting you'll only have 3 months where the gun goes without a hiccup. Latest issue this month: muh Wilson super tactical reliability mags shit the bed. Apparently this is completely expected by 1911 guys. I'm supposedly lucky for getting 3 years out of them as 10-8 says they last 6months when fully loaded before they begin failing to lock back and feeding the last round.

Fucking hate this hunk of shit and am tired of having to buy recoil springs and other misc shit ,ESPECIALLY LOSING MAGS FOR NO REASON, every other month just to run muh 1911.

I'm convinced 99% of the people who own these never shoot more than once or twice in their life.

Meanwhile my 30 year old Beretta 92FS is six figures deep in round count and still works 100% with bi annual recoil spring swaps.

>>31315807
>multiple officers light up their own dog and a nigger with a sandal because the handler released the dog
maybe police work seems weird to me because I graduated high school with more than a C average.

>>31318229
comic book and hollywood writers being retarded isnt an excuse for YOU to be retarded

>>31310369
>Being this much of a pleb

No. The advanced colt bullet has a laser designator inside of it that guides WW2 era bombs.

>>31318427
for SHTF glock 26

>easier to conceal
>easier for other people to grip
>takes all barrels AND mags and most parts from G19 and G17s, and with a barrel/extractor conversion for 357sig and 40sw, then add the G22, G23, G27, G31, G32, and G33

G26, ultimate pistol ever

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>people buy dogshit 1911s and then talk shit on 1911s

when will this meme end? I have a Les Baer, USGI, a Gold Cup, and a P938 and none have had a single malfunction. Ever.

>>31307541
>using fuddy five for SHTF

>>31310015
https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

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>>31318780
Zero on my Solid Snake 1911 as well.

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>>31307541
If you want a 1911 that bad buy a cheap one and figure out all the bugs. Then get an expensive one and you can do all your own gun smithing on it. Picture related. First cheapo runs like a champ.

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>>31307541
Get lots of magazines, thats all I can say. Being able to carry like 6 single stack stick mags is gonna be a thing for a weapon like this. And you better have another 10 mags loaded somewhere.

Because in SHTF the number of magazines you have loaded is how many times you can fire your weapon. If you got 4 mags and 8 rounds each you might as well only have 32 rounds period.

You'll get caught reloading your mags and if you're fast enough youll get it slammed back in the weapon to use it. So maybe add another 3-6 shots.

Doesnt matter if you've got 1,000 rounds saved back. Only the ones you can currently use matter.

Dont get any high capacity magazines except for the Wilson Combat 10 rounders, they all suck (except for a korean 28 round drum I found recently, but its not cheap, and I think its kinda hard to find).

> Now he notices that other weapons with easily available extended mags may have up to 33 rounds each, practically making available as much as 1/4 of all of the ammunition he's saved up to be used in an emergency if necessary.

> Though a 45 is a nice weapon this is its dark side. If you're fighting more than 3 people you're pretty much fucked unless you got lots of mags.

> Unless you're James Bond, count on missing alot, and even james bond misses quite a few shots. He often triple taps just to hit one guy.

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>>31318448
Eyyyyy

>>31314846
Melting the edges is an aesthetic choice. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it shit. Eat your heart out you tremendous queer.

>>31319207
now thats pretty sweet
theyve even got extended mags for those

20 in a reliable 9mm that purrs when it shoots is about as good as it gets

>>31307940
In a shtf you should be avoiding combat and using a rifle as your main weapon. Not like you are going to be popping off 1,000 a day or some shit.

>>31307903
i carry para-ordnance nigger. 14+1

>>31319207
Noice, mirin your tobacco choice too, I actually brought home two today and I'm thinking about trying to get the slide on one nickel plated or something.

>pistol
>shtf

If you find yourself drawing a pistol in combat you are very likely fucked

>>31309953

wood grips on the 92 are the best, pure sex.

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>>31319207
I love Toks, but hate how it feels in the hand. I have pic related as my latest toy, and it's gonna take a bit of work before I'm really confident in it.

>>31321491
>Dat red slide
But what can you really DO to a TT? There's no aftermarket. Still might be a good SHTF gun, if you stockpile ammo, but if it's that or a 1911...I'd take the 1911.

Are Rock Island 1911s decent? I hear good things, and in Canada, they're only beaten in price by Norinco.

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>>31318563
>I'm convinced 99% of the people who own these never shoot more than once or twice in their life.

What kind of 1911 is it? My 5 year old RIA has had one misfeed through 3000+ rounds. Literally the only malfunction so far, and I haven't had to replace anything yet.

>>31323037
bet you its an officer those things eat recoil springs like crazy
>>31323009
norinco is better than ria
ria still works though

>>31323079
Colt GC
>INB4 kek, u didn't spend 5k, what'd you expect
Also the magazine design flaws would occur at any price point

>>31323079
Don't see what you mean there. What makes new Norcs better?

>>31323138
metallurgy and rias tend on be handfinished
hand fitting is good since its pretty much guaranteed to work
its bad cause nothing will be perfectly symmetrical on the gun you look on the inside of an ria you can find shit like casting slag or the magwell bevels not being the same. all of the flaws are non critical but theres enough minor things that make ria a bad choice for upgrrades.
if all you expect is a shooter ria is fine

>>31323009
>>31323037
Apparently it depends, on what I do not know, but I've read on a few different forums that the quality of their products can be hit or miss. I'd guess it might have to do with when they are made, my buddy got the tactical a few months after I got mine and he hasn't had an issue either.

I have nothing but good things to say about mine, excluding the enormous rollmark. Cheap and reliable with a decent trigger.

>>31318030
"series 70," aka a normal 1911, is a Colt term. They introduced the series 80 safety and it was so controversial that they had to re-issue the previous version, which they called "series 70" although that used to mean something completely different. Thanks Colt, for confusing the hell out of everyone. They really should drop the series 80 safety just to calm people down, but at this point it would probably be too expensive to retool.

So yes, practically any non-Colt 1911 will be a series 70.

when in the hell is the CMP supposed to get 1911s?

>>31323981
Never, Obama's Army head blocked it

>>31323983
fucking par for the course right there. Gets on the record to debunk talking points and using the beaucracy to institute policies.

>>31318671
no, i just being correct for the reality its set in.

>>31323009
It won't win you any cool points, but they are the best of the low end 1911s. Maybe someday I will pick up a Tisas just for the hell of it, but a RIA is a good solid choice. They have an awesome unlimited warranty here in the states, you can send it in for anything. Sometimes they even send out free springs and shit if you call with a question.

>>31323273
At that price point a lot of QC is omitted. They leave it up to the customer to send it back if it doesn't work, rather than pay someone to inspect it and take measurements or whatever they do. It's why you hear so many people complaining about lemons, at least RIA has good customer service though.

At some point I definitely plan on buying an RIA

>>31319109
are you me?

>>31319109
Was there anything special about BB's 1911? I was thinking of one for my first 1911. How hard would it be to copy? If I can only afford one 1911 for a while, might as well go full BAWSS.
>All these store front CAPTCHAs, REEEEEEEEEE

>>31325053
>Was there anything special about BB's 1911?
The feeding ramp is polished to a mirror sheen. It's not going to have any feeding problems. The slide's been replaced with a reinforced version. And it meshes perfectly with the frame. The frame itself has been iron-welded and scraped down multiple times for maximum precision. The front strap part of the frame has been checkered to make it dig into the hand. That prevents any slipping. The sight system's original, too. It's a 3-dot type. It's got an enlarged front sight, giving it superior target sighting capability. The regular hammer's been replaced with a ring hammer. That enhances the cocking control and increases the hammer-down speed. They also reworked the grip safety to accommodate the ring hammer. Looks like they eliminated it altogether. This is a tool for pros. The thumb safety and the slide stop are extended to allow for more precise handling. The base of the trigger guard is whittled down, so you can use a high grip. And the trigger itself is a long type for easy finger access. The trigger pull is about 3.5 pounds. That's about a pound and a half lighter than normal. The magazine well has been widened to make it easier to put in a new magazine. The magazine catch button has been cut down low to make it harder to hit by accident. The mainspring housing has been changed to a flat type to increase grip. And it's even been fitted with stepping so that it doesn't slip from the recoil when firing. On top of that, they added cocking serrations to the front part of the slide. That lets you load and eject cartridges faster in an emergency. Whoever did this is a professional. No question - this thing could shoot a one-hole at 25 yards in a machine rest.

>>31325053
also, that's not the gun that Big Boss used in MGS3
that's the gun Solid Snake (Old Snake) used in MGS4
>or rather the gun his was based on

>>31307541
Look into 2011s, I'm a Glock guy, but honestly the 1911 (or some derivative of it) is a solid platform. My only suggestion is ensure 1911s are common in your area, and get proficient at repairing them. It's a reliable platform, but shit happens. If you get a squib shooting some shit ammo you scavenge, do you think replacing the barrel is going to be easy? Parts, ammo, and familiarity are critical.

>>31325132
I know. Either would be nice to have, but BB>SS.
>>31325122
So nothing special, really. Sounds like anyone could make a good copy with a bunch of aftermarket parts.

>>31307541
>low capacity
>Sao

Literally the worst gun to have in shtf

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>>31325122
The feeding ramp bit always pissed me off, who the fuck polishes it not to a 'mirror sheen'. Is some jackass using lapping compound and 80 grit?

>>31325122
> The frame itself has been iron-welded and scraped down multiple times for maximum precision
What the fuck does this even mean?

>>31326193
Forget that. I don't vidya, so I thought this was some 'tard talking about a piece of steel, not some neckbeard talking about fantasy pixels.

Apologies. Carry on.

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>>31307705

Double stack 9mm 1911.

Boom.

They're amazing.

>not as amazing as the 10mm in pic related

So my parents are buying me a 1911 for graduation. I've always wanted one, but I'm not sure what to have them get. Any suggestions?

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>>31327717
If you're not too keen on dropping $2k+ on a custom, I hear good things about Dan Wessons. If that's too much then go for Colt or Springer, as long as you get to choose.

After my $400 AO I went straight to a Baer and never looked back. Do what you think is best.

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>>31327717
If I could go back in time, this would be my first. Colt Series 70 reproduction. I'm about to get one, but it would be nice for it so have some added sentimental value, and lots of sweet, sweet holster wear. I already have a Gold Cup, but the sights are too snaggy to carry, and I want to keep it stock. 1911s are a fucking disease.

>>31327717
What's the budget?

>>31326193
it means the slide to frame fit was so shit they had to weld material to the slide rails on the frame to build it up. then recut the rails

>>31329278
So multiple times because they keep fucking it up?

Also, I think they meant "ion welding"

>>31313462
this

>>31314894
I have two 1911s. Both Springfield. I shoot 'em, clean em when I get home, and make sure they have a film of oil on them to keep from rusting in the Houston humidity. It's all good. I've seen modern polymer handguns jam at the range because the owner didn't clean them from the last time of shooting. A little more difficult to field strip, with more parts, but not impossible.

>>31317048
>>31317144

These guys understand. For those who actually shelled out the money for a colt, you know that your firearm is always ready to go. For those who didn't, I'm sorry that your 1911 has problems, but that's what happens when manufacturers try to put their own twist on a proven design.

>tl;dr you're not smarter than John Browning

>>31318030
ria is just a cheaper gun. this come's with certain drawbacks. yours might run perfectly well, but it wouldn't be an earth-shattering surprise to get one that might need some work.

>>31318742
Yeah, but what's the point of surviving shtf if you cant do it in STYLE?

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>>31307541
>not wanting superior firepower
http://armscor.com/firearms/tac-series/tac-ultra-ms-10mm/